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15:44:33  <Leemp3>mattpardee: Did the update from the other day get applied to c9.io? The only difference i notice is the project files now has an uploader
15:44:47  <Leemp3>And c9.io was down most (if not all) of yesterday for me lol
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17:45:19  <Leemp3>Oy, damn inet company
17:46:06  <Leemp3>Seems you guys are using Sourcemint eh? What the eff is it?
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17:48:19  <mattpardee>it's authored by one of my colleagues, Christoph Dorn
17:48:24  <mattpardee>tbh I'd rather hear it from his mouth
17:49:06  <mattpardee>but afaict it's a dependency manager for repositories and modules
17:49:13  <Leemp2>I'm looking at the website, and it's weird.. it sounds like a lot of overlap with existing feature sets
17:49:14  <mattpardee>it's a "whole package"
17:49:26  <mattpardee>I think it's tied into a much bigger philosophy
17:49:34  <mattpardee>but we're using it as part of a next big step we're taking
17:49:39  <Leemp2>Dependancy how? Allowing npm packages to require things outside of npm lol?
17:49:53  <mattpardee>turns out we use packages that have a lot of dependencies :-P
17:50:16  <Leemp2>Yea, but what? I mean, isn't that what npm is for lol?
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17:51:37  <Leemp2>And then for things like CI, i'll be curious what it offers outside of travis-ci.org offers
17:52:03  <mattpardee>I believe his philosophy is that development should be decentralized
17:52:41  <mattpardee>not just in tooling but in philosophy
17:53:05  <mattpardee>that anyone can rely on a checkout of some code and use it as part of their packaging
17:53:17  <Leemp2>I like that, though if "sm update" sounds like we're just huddling around sm :s (I'm not trying to be overly critical, i'm just a bit "wtf"'d :s)
17:53:34  <Leemp2>though with*
17:53:56  <mattpardee>brb
17:55:36  <Leemp2>Reading the What sounds like a lot of buzzwords. I'm all down for more CI platforms, i'm just a bit learly about trying to replace npm lol
17:55:54  <mattpardee>well Christoph may be more technical than marketing-oriented :)
17:56:01  <mattpardee>it's definitely a long-term vision
17:56:08  <mattpardee>and very conceptual
17:56:15  <mattpardee>but it's starting to unfold
17:56:24  <mattpardee>I'm trying to get his attention to drop in here and explain it better
17:56:43  <Leemp2>It's why i thought Meteor js was a joke. It's an awesome set of tools, but it ignores the npm community at large and tries to reinvent the wheel lol. I'm a bit worried about letting go of npm :s
17:56:58  <Leemp2>Oh no worries man, i was just curious
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18:14:03  <mattpardee>cadorn meet Leemp2 :)
18:14:10  <mattpardee>leemp2 I'm curious too
18:14:12  <mattpardee>:-P
18:14:15  <cadorn>hey
18:14:25  <mattpardee>christoph he was curious about the general vision of SM
18:14:32  <mattpardee>and how it compares/contrasts/incorporates NPM, etc
18:15:07  <Leemp2>npm/travis-ci/etc :)
18:15:19  <cadorn>`sm` is a wrapper around various package managers one of them being NPM
18:15:26  <Leemp2>I need to leave in 2min though :s, i'll be back in 15, and read every word said :)
18:15:49  <cadorn>it will support pulling in sources from npm, tar, git, url, pear, pip, apt-get etc...
18:16:00  <cadorn>into project-local not conflicting namesaces
18:16:14  <Leemp2>pip? Ok, i'll admit that is nice :)
18:16:20  <cadorn>so you can provision all dependencies for various setups with exact versions
18:16:31  <cadorn>pytyhon pip installer
18:16:38  <Leemp2>Yea i know, big fan of Python :)
18:17:13  <cadorn>when you have a list of exact dependencies you can run them through CI servers and get automatic feedback if anything breaks
18:17:38  <cadorn>`sm` will have a companion service that will do testing for you
18:17:59  <cadorn>so if you push a new release you can test it gainst everyone depending on it
18:18:18  <cadorn>and get immediate feedback
18:19:37  <cadorn>so basically sourcemint "mints" your raw sources into various dev and release configurations automatically
18:19:46  <cadorn>just by following declarations in package.kson
18:20:08  <cadorn>makes sense?
18:21:04  <Leemp2>Yup :)
18:21:13  <Leemp2>Sounds difficult, but if it works it'll be great
18:21:36  <cadorn>you can read more background here: http://sourcemint.com/
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18:21:51  <cadorn>its a difficult topic I have been working on over the past few years
18:22:06  <cadorn>in part as part of the CommonJS effort
18:24:39  <cadorn>ping me if you have more questions. ttyl
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