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| <creationix> | lellimecnar: Alt+T ? |
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| <creationix> | I haven't tried yet |
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| <jwulf> | anyone rocking typescript? |
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| <ebi> | Hi, is it normal that the preview functions have a very bad response time (500-2000ms) and is it possbile to change the apple-number keybindings? |
| 09:18:40
| <janjongboom> | preview function should have a normal response time that you'd expect from your location -> US Westcoast |
| 09:18:56
| <janjongboom> | what do you mean with 'change apple-number keybindings'? |
| 09:19:25
| <ebi> | Cloud9 binds command-num to tab switching inside cloud9 instead of the browser |
| 09:19:51
| <janjongboom> | yea you can't change it in the hosted version a.t.m. |
| 09:20:07
| <janjongboom> | unless you like disable the tab plugin :p |
| 09:20:17
| <janjongboom> | which would be interesting but i don't think it'll work :) |
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| <ebi> | bleh :) |
| 09:20:46
| <ebi> | I might get used to it but atm it annoys the shit out of me ;) |
| 09:21:44
| <ebi> | Also I think I already stepped into some bugs :-/ |
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| <ebi> | Is it normal that completing with tab doesn't work only enter? If I press tab to complete strange things happen |
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| <ChrisLE> | Hi, is it possible to compile java or C/C++ projects (console applications) and see there output on the console? |
| 13:14:04
| <ChrisLE> | I found this site: https://compilr.com and I dont want an account so I have an acc on github and I use it for c9.io and thats why I asked. So if this feature is possible, I dont have to use the other online IDE |
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| <ebi> | At least there seems to be a gcc installed |
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| <ChrisLE> | at compilr.com or on c9.io? |
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| <ebi> | c9 |
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| <ChrisLE> | ahh ok, I didnt noticed that |
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| <ChrisLE> | So i can compiler C files? |
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| <ebi> | ChrisLE: Yeah seems to work |
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| <ChrisLE> | ok I will try it |
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| <ChrisLE> | Would be nice whether C++, Java, maybe C# and Assembler could work :) |
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| <ebi> | Hmm c9 is not reachable for me :-/ |
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| <ebi> | Not just for me at least http://www.websitedown.info/c9.io |
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| <piscisaureus_> | ebi: there is a problem indeed |
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| <piscisaureus_> | ebi: if you go to your dashboard page directly it should work |
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| <piscisaureus_> | c9.io/yourusername |
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| <ebi> | piscisaureus_: works, thanks :) |
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| <ebi> | The editor seems to be faster on a windows machine than on a mac (same chrome version) |
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| <jeffwhelpley> | hi, guys, a quick question about architect (https://github.com/c9/architect). it seems like you don't use it for your client plugins, but do you have plans to adjust architect so that the client plugins use it as well? |
| 18:14:19
| <mattpardee_> | hey jeff |
| 18:14:27
| <mattpardee_> | creationix you want to take that question? |
| 18:17:31
| <creationix> | jeffwhelpley, great question |
| 18:17:43
| <creationix> | I'm in the process of rewriting the frontend to use architect |
| 18:17:48
| <creationix> | it's a long process |
| 18:17:53
| <creationix> | and I'm doing it in steps |
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| <creationix> | I did recently give a talk about architect in the browser |
| 18:18:03
| <jeffwhelpley> | ah, so architect is capable of doing the client plugins, though? |
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| <jeffwhelpley> | is the talk online? |
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| <creationix> | http://creationix.github.com/chicagowebconf2012/ |
| 18:18:34
| <creationix> | I think it was recorded, not sure |
| 18:18:58
| <creationix> | the code is in github https://github.com/creationix/chicagowebconf2012/tree/master/steps/3 |
| 18:19:27
| <creationix> | In the talk I used jamjs and requirejs along with architect. This week I'm exploring TJ's component system |
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| <lellimecnar> | Is there a list somewhere of all the features not included in the open source version of Cloud9? |
| 18:21:49
| <mattpardee_> | I think I can probably summarize it |
| 18:22:00
| <lellimecnar> | I've got it installed and running on my local machine, but a lot of the features I care most about are missing |
| 18:22:09
| <mattpardee_> | Terminal, Deployment Tab, Collaboration |
| 18:22:14
| <mattpardee_> | and Dashboard |
| 18:23:05
| <lellimecnar> | is there some form of user/project management built in? |
| 18:23:14
| <ebi> | Is there a recommendation in which browser / OS I will get the best performance? |
| 18:23:44
| <mattpardee_> | lellimecnar in the OSS version? no |
| 18:24:01
| <mattpardee_> | in the production version we did have group management |
| 18:24:07
| <mattpardee_> | the ability to add people to your group |
| 18:24:23
| <mattpardee_> | but it was taken out in favor of a better system in the future |
| 18:24:47
| <lellimecnar> | Is there any way of requiring a password, at least? |
| 18:24:48
| <mattpardee_> | ebi generally speaking Chrome is the leader in javascript performance |
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| <mattpardee_> | lellimecnar I believe there is a PR under review |
| 18:24:58
| <mattpardee_> | one second |
| 18:26:04
| <mattpardee_> | ah no I don't see one. there was one a long time ago that basically used connect-auth when you passed in a -s flag |
| 18:27:12
| <mattpardee_> | I guess it got closed without being merged in |
| 18:27:28
| <lellimecnar> | Is there some documentation shomewhere showing all of the available flags? |
| 18:28:44
| <mattpardee_> | I don't think so |
| 18:28:47
| <mattpardee_> | I'm actually working on that now |
| 18:28:58
| <mattpardee_> | I'm building a page on our tech stack |
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| <lellimecnar> | The thing I care most about is the Terminal |
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| <mattpardee_> | yeah that's part of our value prop for the hosted service |
| 18:31:04
| <mattpardee_> | unless there are plans I'm not aware of, I don't believe that's going into the OSS version |
| 18:31:10
| <lellimecnar> | Which would be fine if your hosted service was anywhere near reliable |
| 18:31:34
| <mattpardee_> | :-( |
| 18:32:10
| <mattpardee_> | we're trying hard to build out a revolutionary new type of platform |
| 18:32:14
| <mattpardee_> | it's hard work; we're not there yet |
| 18:32:25
| <mattpardee_> | but we're getting there |
| 18:32:59
| <mattpardee_> | fortunately many OS's provide a native terminal |
| 18:33:15
| <lellimecnar> | I shouldn't have to pay for "getting there" and then have my files deleted, and have full days without any access to my workspaces. |
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| <mattpardee_> | lellimecnar I understand your frustration and I would be equally frustrated |
| 18:34:39
| <mattpardee_> | If our stability issues are plaguing your ability to develop then I certainly can't sit here and advocate you using it |
| 18:34:52
| <lellimecnar> | The point is having the terminal right in the IDE. The whole idea behind using Cloud9 is that I don't have to install any software to make quick edits from any computer in the world. If I have to SSH into the terminal anyway, then what's the point? |
| 18:35:41
| <lellimecnar> | Would it be possible to create my own terminal module? |
| 18:35:58
| <mattpardee_> | certainly, Cloud9 is an extension based platform |
| 18:36:06
| <lellimecnar> | or somehow extend the console to allow any UNIX commands? |
| 18:36:07
| <mattpardee_> | you can modify the IDE in whatever fashion you desire |
| 18:36:16
| <mattpardee_> | yep that is also possible |
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| <mattpardee_> | it's all javascript |
| 18:37:03
| <lellimecnar> | I'm familiar with JavaScript, but I know very little about Node. Can you point me in the right direction? Where do I go in the file structure to figure out how to do it? |
| 18:38:15
| <mattpardee_> | without significant node knowledge I'll warn you this might be a hairy task, but I'll bring up some minor docs we have on extending |
| 18:38:25
| <mattpardee_> | the best way to get familiar is to look at how established extensions work |
| 18:38:28
| <lellimecnar> | I've already seen https://github.com/ajaxorg/cloud9/wiki/How-to-write-an-extension |
| 18:38:32
| <lellimecnar> | not very helpful |
| 18:38:40
| <mattpardee_> | haha ok |
| 18:38:40
| <lellimecnar> | but I'm a very fast learner |
| 18:38:46
| <mattpardee_> | that's unfortunate then |
| 18:39:18
| <lellimecnar> | It's especially unhelpful when https://github.com/ajaxorg/cloud9/blob/master/doc/extension_template/extension_template.js is a 404 |
| 18:40:03
| <mattpardee_> | https://github.com/ajaxorg/cloud9/blob/master/doc/ext.extension_template/extension_template.js |
| 18:40:43
| <lellimecnar> | You might want to fix that in the Wiki |
| 18:40:56
| <mattpardee_> | certainly I'm getting right on it |
| 18:41:07
| <gjtorikian> | I just fixed it |
| 18:41:16
| <gjtorikian> | That's the beauty of a wiki, anyone can edit it |
| 18:41:20
| <mattpardee_> | yes |
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| <mattpardee_> | imagine the possibilities |
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| <ebi> | Reporting a bug from the IDE is not working :( |
| 18:42:27
| <mattpardee_> | ebi one sec I'll check it out |
| 18:42:47
| <ebi> | But I guess it's already known that tab complection does strange stuff? :) |
| 18:45:56
| <lellimecnar> | So, it's just a json manifest file, an xml layout file, and a js extension file? |
| 18:46:26
| <mattpardee_> | yes siree |
| 18:46:35
| <mattpardee_> | you can also use regular ol' HTML! |
| 18:46:41
| <mattpardee_> | that's the beauty of it |
| 18:46:49
| <mattpardee_> | we use AML because it's the UI language for Cloud9 |
| 18:47:10
| <mattpardee_> | and it provides a consistent foundation for layouts and elements |
| 18:47:27
| <mattpardee_> | but you can do virtually any type of crazy ass HTML or what-have-you |
| 18:47:42
| <mattpardee_> | you can even embed an iFrame if you want |
| 18:47:44
| <mattpardee_> | go hog wild |
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| <gjtorikian> | ebi: I was able to file a bug, could you provide more details ? |
| 18:48:55
| <lellimecnar> | instead of the xml file? |
| 18:49:27
| <gjtorikian> | lellimecnar: no, the xml file would still embed HTML; so it'd be like <a:application><canvas id="somefunstuff/></a:application> |
| 18:49:50
| <ebi> | gjtorikian: If I hit send I get "Error filling Zendesk ticket" Please email us... |
| 18:50:09
| <lellimecnar> | I don't suppose there's any documentation for the "aml?" stuff? |
| 18:50:20
| <mattpardee_> | lellimecnar working on that right now as well |
| 18:50:25
| <mattpardee_> | not public yet |
| 18:50:40
| <gjtorikian> | we have an old set of AML doc at ui.ajax.org |
| 18:50:48
| <gjtorikian> | but matt is right, we're overhauling the heck out of it |
| 18:51:03
| <gjtorikian> | ebi: can you open your developer console and see if there's an error reported |
| 18:51:15
| <gjtorikian> | i can seem to file bugs in several projects |
| 18:51:41
| <ebi> | ah: Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 500 (Internal Server Error) |
| 18:51:49
| <ebi> | on https://c9.io/api/context/fileticket?xhr=1 |
| 18:52:05
| <mattpardee_> | hmm |
| 18:52:13
| <mattpardee_> | the URL appears to be working now |
| 18:52:28
| <mattpardee_> | gives me an error at least on GET |
| 18:52:34
| <mattpardee_> | (the form submission would be POST) |
| 18:52:40
| <mattpardee_> | ebi did you try again? |
| 18:53:11
| <ebi> | I tried again after gjtorikian asked me about more details so I can give the error |
| 18:53:15
| <ebi> | But I sent an email now ;) |
| 18:53:23
| <mattpardee_> | ok :-) |
| 18:53:40
| <mattpardee_> | bugs about bugs! http://applejack.ponychan.net/chan/files/src/134854337706.jpg |
| 18:53:59
| <ebi> | That bug is driving me crazy... It's really hard to switch from completing with tab to enter |
| 18:54:07
| <ebi> | hrhr |
| 18:54:37
| <mattpardee_> | oh for code completion? |
| 18:54:44
| <ebi> | Yes |
| 18:54:57
| <mattpardee_> | gotcha |
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| <gjtorikian> | Not sure I follow on the code completion bug, what's wrong ? |
| 19:00:15
| <mattpardee_> | he wants to use tab instead of enter |
| 19:00:28
| <mattpardee_> | to complete the choice |
| 19:00:45
| <gjtorikian> | ah |
| 19:01:32
| <gjtorikian> | Oh that should be an easy fix |
| 19:01:39
| <gjtorikian> | So it completes, but it leaves the original string |
| 19:01:48
| <gjtorikian> | def->tab->defaultCommands |
| 19:01:56
| <gjtorikian> | defdefaultCommands is what it looks like |
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| <ebi> | not always the enire string doe |
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| <ebi> | cov->tab became ccoverageExclusions |
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| <bmatusiak> | l like my c9bot updater :P |
| 19:17:49
| <mattpardee_> | yeah that thing is seriously awesome |
| 19:18:46
| <bmatusiak> | i think it makes this channel/room more�.. useful |
| 19:19:00
| <mattpardee_> | and lively! |
| 19:19:00
| <bmatusiak> | when just idle |
| 19:19:59
| <bmatusiak> | i need to add !news |
| 19:21:13
| <bmatusiak> | to announce newly posted blog from c9.io/site/blog |
| 19:30:02
| <gjtorikian> | bmatusiak: c9.io (the site) is down currently due to a DDOS or Amazon issue (they're trying to sort out which) |
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| <gjtorikian> | but we have a JSON feed for the blog: http://c9.io/site/?json=get_tag_posts&tag_slug=changelog |
| 19:30:24
| <gjtorikian> | where tag_slug is the tag (you'll probably want to drop the changelog bit, naturally) |
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| <gjtorikian> | https://github.com/ajaxorg/cloud9/blob/master/plugins-client/ext.help/help.js#L82-110 |
| 19:31:55
| <bmatusiak> | o sweet� you made my life easier |
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| <gjtorikian> | that's what I'm here fore *flies away* |
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| <lellimecnar> | I noticed a "splitview" extension in the default config... is that what I think it is? |
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| <mattpardee_> | lellimecnar yes |
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| <mattpardee_> | WIP |
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| <lellimecnar> | WIP as in it has bugs, or WIP as in it's not at all functional yet? |
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| <gjtorikian> | the first |
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| <lellimecnar> | ok, so I uncommented it and restarted cloud9. How do I use it? |
| 19:44:57
| <mattpardee_> | shift + tab |
| 19:45:05
| <mattpardee_> | not sure if the functionality is enabled fully but try that |
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| <mattpardee_> | so have a tab selected |
| 19:45:15
| <mattpardee_> | then press shift and click another tab |
| 19:46:13
| <lellimecnar> | Is it just for the same file? You can't have two different files open next to each other? |
| 19:47:45
| <mattpardee_> | you should be able to |
| 19:47:47
| <mattpardee_> | but again, the bugs. |
| 19:48:02
| <mattpardee_> | that's why we're not enabling it |
| 19:48:07
| <mattpardee_> | (yet) |
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| <mattpardee_> | :-) |
| 19:51:04
| <lellimecnar> | Any "coming soon" teasers you can share with me? |
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| <mattpardee_> | world dominance. |
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| <mattpardee_> | Q2 2013 |
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| <lellimecnar> | You've got a long way for that... |
| 19:53:29
| <mattpardee_> | looks like I've had my first joke #fail for the day |
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| <mattpardee_> | :-D |
| 19:54:04
| <lellimecnar> | Is there anything I can do to get my workspaces to be more stable? |
| 19:55:09
| <mattpardee_> | we release stability updates every week |
| 19:55:25
| <mattpardee_> | if you're experiencing issues still the best way to get someone to manage your problem is via e-mailing [email protected] |
| 19:55:39
| <lellimecnar> | That has done me no good in the past |
| 19:55:50
| <mattpardee_> | or you can find me in here |
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| <mattpardee_> | :) |
| 19:56:00
| <lellimecnar> | None of my emails were ever replied to |
| 19:56:09
| <mattpardee_> | that's because I told them not to |
| 19:56:14
| <mattpardee_> | because we had one-on-one chats |
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| <lellimecnar> | Even before I talked to you |
| 19:56:28
| <mattpardee_> | from the ticket from Friday? |
| 19:56:32
| <lellimecnar> | I came in here because nobody was responding to my emails |
| 19:57:29
| <mattpardee_> | the one you submitted on Friday never hit the team in the Netherlands because they were off for the weekend; since then we have instituted a policy of handing that support off to America so we can deal with the problems that appear during the day our time |
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| <mattpardee_> | did you get my last message? |
| 19:58:51
| <lellimecnar_> | probably not |
| 19:58:58
| <mattpardee_> | <mattpardee_> the one you submitted on Friday never hit the team in the Netherlands because they were off for the weekend; since then we have instituted a policy of handing that support off to America so we can deal with the problems that appear during the day our time |
| 19:59:14
| <mattpardee_> | the issue was with process |
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| <lellimecnar_> | That's great |
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| <lellimecnar_> | I didn't quit.... |
| 20:01:39
| <mattpardee_> | never quit |
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| <lellimecnar_> | Is there really no way to get more than 6 private workspaces? |
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