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01:29:24  <rvagg>hij1nx: HN almost always = FUD
01:29:58  <rvagg>hij1nx: there are issues with write performance for large amounts of data in LevelDB, it was never designed for it, but LevelDB is a work in progress and as it gets exposed to use-cases outside of IndexedDB these things will be fixed
01:30:37  <mbalho>'big data' database people are also mostly wankers in my experience
01:30:49  <rvagg>"I'm surprised it uses LevelDB since it has issues with ... blah blah blah blah", typical HN post when someone mentions LevelDB--just some idiot wanting to demonstrate how smart they are but not having had ANY experience with LevelDB or perhaps many database at all
01:31:29  <rvagg>same used to happen on Slashdot when it was the place to read tech news, I stopped reading tech comments way back then cause it's always the same
01:31:37  <rvagg>nerds have massive egos and their comment threads reflect that
01:31:43  <rvagg>ANYWAY, back to the point
01:32:16  <rvagg>it's write performance that LevelDB *perhaps* has problems with *under very particular use-cases*,
01:32:35  <rvagg>ignore the idiots who read a bug report somewhere once and took it as ultimate truth about all uses-cases for all-time
01:33:14  <rvagg>AND, thankfully we have the option of switching out the backend of LevelUP for different use-cases, I expect that within 6 months we'll have at least 2 more realistic server-side alternatives to plain LevelDB
01:33:36  <rvagg>perhaps the Redis fork serves some use-cases better (my benchmarks don't show it to be any better for standard operations)
01:33:45  <rvagg>we'll have level.js which could be awesomesauce
01:34:06  <rvagg>and there's another embedded data store that I'm keen to start hacking on to make Node bindings for that'll be LevelDOWN compatible
01:34:08  <rvagg></rant>
02:09:38  <st_luke>I always take database scaling criticism with a grain of salt. Relatively few people get DBs to their limits.
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02:33:50  <rvagg>yeah, certainly not the kind of people who have time to demonstrate how intelligent they are on HN
02:34:17  <chapel>Hive mind and everything
02:34:33  <chapel>Those are the same people that hate on node
02:35:51  <chapel>And the reason they hate on databases like leveldb is because they want to refute anyone choosing anything other than a relational db
02:36:34  <chapel>Have any of you seen the port of using leveldb under mysql?
02:42:56  <rvagg>heh, no
02:43:00  <rvagg>craaaazy
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03:09:02  <chapel>rvagg: was mariadb not mysql https://kb.askmonty.org/en/leveldb-storage-engine/
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04:34:22  <hij1nx>rvagg: mbalho: lol, i certainly dont buy into the conversation, but the guy who makes redis pointed it out to me (http://hackingitalia.com/news/55)
04:36:01  <hij1nx>owen1: working now?
04:39:22  <hij1nx>rvagg: mbalho: of course, his perspective is going to be bias ;)
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06:36:29  <rvagg>hij1nx: yeah, I saw that antirez pointed there, but it was fairly clear that he didn't have much of an idea
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07:02:18  <owen1>hij1nx: yup. thanks
07:08:25  <owen1>hij1nx: actually - events.js:72
07:08:26  <owen1> throw er; // Unhandled 'error' event
07:08:28  <owen1> ^
07:08:30  <owen1>EncodingError: Unexpected token ΓΏ
07:08:41  <owen1>at ReadStream._onData (/usr/local/lib/node_modules/levelweb/node_modules/levelup/lib/read-stream.js:136:31)
07:10:00  <rvagg>trying to JSON.parse a utf8 string with \xff at the front (sublevel probably)
07:15:24  <chapel>rvagg: did you see the mariadb link?
07:19:39  <owen1>rvagg: oh. indeed. i use sublevel
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09:19:06  <chilts>chapel: pong (sorry, been away most of this weekend)
09:20:32  <chapel>chilts: no worries
09:21:05  <chapel>haven't done a readme, also tests are basic, but feel free to use anything worth using https://github.com/chapel/unid
09:21:17  <chapel>I used netif after seeing it in yours
09:22:08  <chilts>wolfeidau: will be happy! :)
09:22:13  <chilts>(that's his module)
09:22:25  <chilts>thanks, will take a look :)
09:22:25  <chapel>works much better than a shell command :)
09:22:30  <wolfeidau>chilts: chapel yes!
09:23:00  <wolfeidau>chapel: Make sure you vote for the pull request too which adds mac addresses to core nodejs :)
09:23:10  <chapel>wolfeidau: I may have to :)
09:23:27  <chapel>chilts: I also moved the sequence after the timestamp
09:23:38  <chapel>since it made sense to have it there after we talked about it
09:24:30  <chapel>one nice thing about level and how it sorts everything by default, I can do finds based off of timestamps
09:24:41  <chapel>directly on the data itself, no separate index needed
09:25:52  <chapel>anyways, its late, I should get some sleep
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09:37:38  <chilts>night
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16:14:11  <hij1nx>owen1: if you've not fixed the problem can you open an issue on levelweb?
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17:16:11  <owen1>hij1nx: oh. sure
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22:51:50  <mbalho>rvagg: http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2348166
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23:00:21  <mbalho>https://github.com/chootka/subnodes
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23:07:23  <rvagg>mbalho: ! thanks
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23:29:46  <chapel>chilts: did you get a chance to look at unid?
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23:36:41  <chilts>not yet, when I saw it I went to bed, and got up a few hours ago :)
23:36:44  <chilts>and now working
23:36:49  <chilts>perhaps tonight :D
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23:42:41  <chapel>no worries
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