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00:45:43  <piscisaureus_>heh
00:45:53  <piscisaureus_><3 unix errors
00:46:47  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: btw - about signals
00:46:51  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: linux has signalfd
00:47:03  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: bsds have EVFLT_SIGNAL
00:47:12  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: you just need to figure out something for sunos
00:50:39  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: is EVFLT_SIGNAL something that actually exists?
00:51:05  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: I might have made a typo
00:52:08  <bnoordhuis>ah, EVFILT_SIGNAL
00:53:44  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: child processes could also use EVFILT_PROC but I don't know if linux has a similar facility
00:54:38  <bnoordhuis>not the last time i checked. i've actually thought about adding EVFILT_PROC like functionality
00:57:36  <tjfontaine>piscisaureus_: this video is a gold mine
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00:58:16  <piscisaureus_>tjfontaine: it's like watching a steven seagal movie... it's so bad it's good.
00:58:27  <tjfontaine>it really is
00:59:23  <isaacs>piscisaureus_: lies.
00:59:29  <isaacs>piscisaureus_: not littlelies, BIG lies
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01:00:08  <piscisaureus_>isaacs: Node.js is a complete waste of ff'ing time
01:02:39  <isaacs>It's built on JavaScript, which as we all know...
01:02:44  <isaacs>is SSSLLSLLLOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW
01:03:14  <piscisaureus_>Data-intensive, not going to happen especially if you're non-blocking I/O because you either have to be reading the data or you have to be wiriting the data, and one of those things is going to block something.
01:03:17  <isaacs>the hilarious thing about that is that JavaScript is where node programs usually spend about 1% of their time
01:03:49  <piscisaureus_>isaacs: is it? I think it's a little more.
01:03:55  <isaacs>sometimes it's more
01:03:58  <piscisaureus_>not in microbenchmarks no
01:04:24  <isaacs>in the graphs i've seen from voxer and now the npmjs site, it's all about ssl
01:04:41  <piscisaureus_>Oh right
01:04:47  <piscisaureus_>yeah
01:04:48  <isaacs>time on cpu is almost all ssl, and most of the actual time is not on cpu, it's waiting for io
01:05:10  <piscisaureus_>but after investigating this a little bit I don't think we can make ssl much faster
01:05:16  <isaacs>orly?
01:05:17  <piscisaureus_>exept for doing better session caching
01:05:41  <piscisaureus_>but like the actual algorithms are just expensive and I don't know how to make that better
01:06:15  <isaacs>right
01:06:21  <isaacs>well, that's what nginx does that we don't, right?
01:06:32  <piscisaureus_>yeah
01:06:34  <isaacs>if you have an expensive algorithm, all you can do is less of it
01:06:40  <piscisaureus_>the stuff we discussed
01:06:44  <isaacs>yeah
01:06:48  <isaacs>there's definitely a limit
01:07:07  <piscisaureus_>so you just use an ssl terminator
01:07:08  <piscisaureus_>:-)
01:07:16  <piscisaureus_>all this stuff done in hardware
01:07:24  <isaacs>sure
01:07:49  <isaacs>someone was saying something a while ago about some new hardware accellerated stuff in openssl that we're not taking advantage of
01:07:57  <isaacs>smartos-specific, i believe
01:08:11  <isaacs>don't remember the details
01:08:14  <piscisaureus_>smartos-specific hardware?
01:08:17  <isaacs>rmustacc was all excited about it
01:08:29  <isaacs>no, a smartos specific optimization that we're leaving on the table.
01:08:46  <piscisaureus_>We may not be using all SSE3 specific optimizations either
01:08:46  <isaacs>like, something that's available on smartos and we're not doing on smartos, i dont' know if we do on linux or not.
01:08:49  <isaacs>didn't really dig into it
01:08:54  <isaacs>maybe it was SSE3, that sounds familiar
01:09:00  <piscisaureus_>yeah
01:09:13  <piscisaureus_>I think I should look into that really
01:09:33  <piscisaureus_>I kinda got distracted by the optimization that indutny did at nodeconf
01:09:56  <piscisaureus_>and then I figured out that what he did is moreorless as much as you can gain.
01:10:06  <piscisaureus_>but the SSE3 things are different, I could take a look
01:10:31  <piscisaureus_>(could be SSE2 too)
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01:12:43  <piscisaureus_>isaacs: Imma copy a cookie that is shown in your video and hack some random NPM user
01:12:48  <piscisaureus_>muhahaha >:-)
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01:16:23  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: http://www.openssl.org/contrib/intel-accel-1.5.tar.gz
01:16:38  <bnoordhuis>trying to build it now
01:17:29  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: perl scripts
01:18:18  <piscisaureus_>Supported platforms are limited to ELF-based Unix-compatible OSes.
01:18:25  <isaacs>piscisaureus_: another cool thing you can do with repls: log out every user by deleting their session :)
01:18:41  <piscisaureus_>isaacs: ha! but did you?
01:18:48  <isaacs>piscisaureus_: are you logged in?
01:18:58  <isaacs>;)
01:19:16  <piscisaureus_>isaacs: no, I found it was too much effort typing in the cookie IDs
01:19:31  <piscisaureus_>> 10 characters is effective protection against me
01:19:34  <isaacs>hahah
01:19:36  <isaacs>also,low-res
01:19:40  <isaacs>at least for the start of it
01:19:56  <piscisaureus_>yeah, I could read the text tho
01:20:10  <piscisaureus_>captcha's are getting so difficult these days
01:20:14  <piscisaureus_>I'm getting good at it
01:20:30  <isaacs>haha
01:20:36  <isaacs>it's good trainign
01:21:00  <piscisaureus_>in 5 years computers will beat humans at this stuff
01:21:21  <piscisaureus_>"Please enter the text displayed below to proof you're a spam bot"
01:21:50  <bnoordhuis>meh, not seeing a speed-up
01:22:53  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: right. Do you have an intel?
01:23:03  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: your desktop pc has a Duron right?
01:23:26  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz
01:23:36  <piscisaureus_>oehh
01:23:36  <bnoordhuis>it's a beast
01:23:41  <piscisaureus_>I bet
01:23:51  <piscisaureus_>I thought this new macbook was fast
01:23:57  <piscisaureus_>2.6 ghz ...
01:26:39  <isaacs>piscisaureus_: oh, btw... https://npmjs.org/piscisaureus
01:26:41  <isaacs>why is that a 404?
01:26:44  <isaacs>can you fix that bug?
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01:27:32  <piscisaureus_>isaacs: ?
01:27:43  <piscisaureus_>isaacs: I have an npm account- just not any modules
01:27:59  <isaacs>is your npm account piscisaureus?
01:28:07  <piscisaureus_>isaacs: yes
01:28:32  <isaacs>ohhh, it's https://npmjs.org/profile/piscisaureus
01:28:36  <isaacs>whoops :)
01:28:44  <isaacs>i should make /packagename and /profilename work somehow
01:28:52  <isaacs>maybe check for both and redirect
01:29:34  <piscisaureus_>Now I should write a module
01:29:43  <piscisaureus_>but I don't know
01:29:47  <piscisaureus_>I just put everything in core
01:29:51  <piscisaureus_>much more convenient
01:30:59  <piscisaureus_>npm install -g hoarders
01:31:18  <isaacs>hahah
01:31:27  <isaacs>hoarders is super convenient when developing this website
01:31:35  <isaacs>i can get from any package to any other package in 2 clicks
01:32:04  <isaacs>much better for spidering the site, etc.
01:32:10  <isaacs>makes the graph much more traversable
01:32:23  <piscisaureus_>...
01:32:24  <piscisaureus_>npm http 200 https://registry.npmjs.org/blitline
01:32:24  <piscisaureus_>npm http 200 https://registry.npmjs.org/blitz
01:32:24  <piscisaureus_>npm http 200 https://registry.npmjs.org/blitzLib
01:32:24  <piscisaureus_>npm http 200 https://registry.npmjs.org/blade
01:32:24  <piscisaureus_>npm ERR!
01:32:25  <piscisaureus_>npm ERR! Additional logging details can be found in:
01:32:26  <piscisaureus_>npm ERR! D:\te\npm-debug.log
01:32:26  <piscisaureus_>npm ERR! not ok code 0
01:32:28  <piscisaureus_>???
01:33:28  <piscisaureus_>^-- isaacs: no error message and no log :-(
01:35:43  <tjfontaine>is it not in d:\temp\ ?
01:36:01  <piscisaureus_>no
01:36:15  <isaacs>wtf?
01:36:21  <isaacs>piscisaureus_: what version of npm?
01:36:31  <piscisaureus_>1.4.46
01:36:36  <isaacs>1.1.46?
01:36:42  <piscisaureus_>1.1.46
01:36:44  <piscisaureus_>ahem
01:36:54  <isaacs>is there a ./npm-debug.log file you can share?
01:37:00  <piscisaureus_>isaacs: nope
01:37:05  <isaacs>weird..
01:37:07  <isaacs>what'd you run?
01:37:17  <piscisaureus_>isaacs: npm install hoarders
01:37:24  <isaacs>BWAHAHAHahahah
01:37:27  <isaacs>ok.
01:37:31  <isaacs>i'll get right on that ;)
01:37:50  <tjfontaine>i was pretty amused when I saw that library the other day
01:38:38  <mmalecki>piscisaureus_: can't repro
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05:37:08  <isaacs>ircretary: hi
05:37:09  <ircretary>isaacs: Hello :)
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13:04:30  <indutny>deoxxa: hey man
13:04:35  <indutny>deoxxa: want to test conference calls?
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13:04:56  <deoxxa>sure thing
13:05:02  <indutny>deoxxa: npm install -g [email protected]
13:05:16  <indutny>bert and mmalecki are going to join us
13:05:27  <deoxxa>installing now
13:05:42  <indutny>vock connect 0d0da3975f50e19f7eaa831e488224e3fd5993cf
13:05:45  <indutny>deoxxa: mmalecki ^
13:05:57  <mmalecki>indutny: still installing
13:06:00  * deoxxawaits for install
13:06:07  <mmalecki>there we go
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13:07:16  <piscisaureu>indutny: around?
13:07:28  <indutny>piscisaureu: 0d0da3975f50e19f7eaa831e488224e3fd5993cf
13:07:29  <indutny>piscisaureu: yes
13:07:34  <indutny>piscisaureu: npm install -g [email protected]
13:07:42  <piscisaureu>yeah
13:07:42  <indutny>piscisaureu: then vock connect 0d0da3975f50e19f7eaa831e488224e3fd5993cf
13:07:44  <piscisaureu>that didn't work
13:07:51  <piscisaureu>because im running a -pre version
13:07:57  <indutny>piscisaureu: oh, crap
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13:08:11  <deoxxa>buildinggg
13:08:19  <indutny>piscisaureu: don't you have some sort of 0.8.x version hanging anywhere?
13:09:43  <indutny>deoxxa: yt?
13:09:49  <deoxxa>not hearing anythign yet...
13:09:51  <piscisaureu>indutny: hmm, I installed it with the installer
13:09:57  <piscisaureu>indutny: but it does not install ...
13:10:11  <indutny>deoxxa: odd
13:10:16  <indutny>piscisaureu: huh?
13:10:35  <deoxxa>am i audible?
13:10:35  <indutny>deoxxa: mmalecki: lets try new room c34835fd37f8f3d3bd0d1ee063fe50c434c55377
13:10:40  <indutny>deoxxa: nope
13:10:45  <deoxxa>weird
13:10:50  <mmalecki>connected to new room
13:12:00  <indutny>mmalecki: deoxxa thanks
13:12:09  <indutny>sound was really crappy
13:12:13  <indutny>but at least it works
13:12:13  <indutny>:D
13:12:15  <deoxxa>yeah i could hear you just fine then indutny, but mmalecki was really quiet
13:12:18  <piscisaureu>indutny: tootallnate: https://gist.github.com/3257651
13:12:21  <deoxxa>like, lots of distortion
13:12:26  <indutny>deoxxa: well, yes
13:12:32  <indutny>deoxxa: mixing is suboptimal atm
13:12:36  <deoxxa>ah
13:12:40  <indutny>I suppose it's because I'm doing very naive mixing
13:12:40  <mmalecki>deoxxa: I could hear indutny, but you were really quiet, with lots of distortion
13:12:45  <deoxxa>still pretty darn cool!
13:12:47  <indutny>a + b - a*b/32767
13:12:52  <indutny>haha
13:13:19  <indutny>piscisaureu: EPERM?
13:13:55  <indutny>deoxxa: can you connect to this room 5f2cc666e9a1ee55738ad291394e0456836973c4 ?
13:14:10  <indutny>deoxxa: just to be sure that distortion was a mixing problem
13:14:11  <deoxxa>connecting
13:14:56  <indutny>ok
13:15:00  <indutny>it's definitely a mixing problem
13:15:01  <indutny>:)
13:15:04  <deoxxa>heh
13:15:09  <indutny>mmalecki: deoxxa thank you guys
13:15:12  <indutny>piscisaureu: and you too, man :P
13:15:13  <mmalecki>indutny: pleasure
13:15:19  <deoxxa>no problem
13:15:24  <piscisaureu>ah
13:15:27  <piscisaureu>got it
13:15:28  <deoxxa>really interested to see where the project goes haha
13:15:33  <piscisaureu>so where do I connect to
13:15:34  <indutny>piscisaureu: lets try
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13:15:39  <indutny>piscisaureu: 590c6d88751445918d6cddb02128526cc10c2855
13:15:43  <indutny>piscisaureu: just the two of us
13:15:54  <deoxxa>must resist urge to rickroll
13:16:02  <deoxxa>vockroll
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13:19:09  <indutny>piscisaureus_: btw, what model of macbook are you using?
13:19:15  <indutny>Pro/Air, 13'' 15'' 17'' ?
13:19:22  <indutny>or 11''
13:19:22  <piscisaureus_>indutny: retina
13:19:27  <indutny>oh
13:19:28  <indutny>nice
13:19:40  <indutny>echo is very interesting
13:19:59  <indutny>I suppose mic is closer to the loudspeaker now
13:20:03  <indutny>though not sure
13:20:07  <indutny>AEC is really complicated
13:20:14  <piscisaureus_>I think it's practically in the loudspeaker
13:20:16  <indutny>and I thought I was doing it the right way now
13:20:24  <indutny>piscisaureus_: well, yes it is
13:20:27  <indutny>somewhere near it
13:20:41  <indutny>like if you'll move your hand near loudspeaker - echo level will increase
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17:15:16  <CIA-134>node: isaacs v0.6 * rc527366 / Makefile : Makefile: Refuse to build release from unclean repo - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/c527366caa41b924c7ee743d6b5955ee25244493
17:15:18  <CIA-134>node: isaacs v0.6 * r7e6dea4 / Makefile : build: Regenerate docs for tarball and releases - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/7e6dea460190b56db57a0927f6998fd06f41916d
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17:24:01  <mscdex>quick question: is there some (easy) way to debug libuv such that i can determine why the event loop is being killed?
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17:26:43  <tjfontaine>when you say killed you mean exited?
17:27:13  <mmalecki>mscdex: there's a function for walking handles, uv_walk I think?
17:27:19  <tjfontaine>indeed
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18:09:26  <mscdex>yes, exited. so, i'd have to set up another handle like uv_prepare to use uv_walk?
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18:32:25  <CIA-134>node: Tyler Neylon v0.8 * rb48684c / (lib/child_process.js test/simple/test-child-process-stdio.js): child_process: Fix stdout=null when stdio=['pipe'] - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/b48684c6f1958930741e2cf34a6a6d5cafa7f478
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19:22:10  <mscdex>i'm running into a problem where if a uv_poll_t handle doesn't report any events after a certain amount of time, it causes the event loop to exit
19:22:32  <mscdex>i've tried using uv_ref() on the handle, but no luck on keeping the event loop alive
19:22:45  <mscdex>any ideas?
19:22:47  <TooTallNate>why does node link to Carbon?
19:26:56  <indutny>TooTallNate: that was for process title stuff
19:27:00  <indutny>which is currently pulled out
19:27:04  <TooTallNate>right
19:27:19  <indutny>I think we do not need it anymore, but we should check first
19:27:20  <indutny>ttyl
19:27:22  <indutny>sleeping...
19:27:52  <TooTallNate>ok i'll remove it and test
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20:05:38  <CIA-134>node: Dominic Tarr v0.8 * rf4a4ef7 / (lib/zlib.js test/simple/test-zlib-destroy.js): zlib: Emit 'close' on destroy(). - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/f4a4ef7a2da34ec9d155f82df0133b40382c53e9
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23:33:31  <piscisaureus_>hello
23:33:58  <piscisaureus_>anything worthwile going on here?
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