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00:27:08  <mmalecki>bnoordhuis: night sir
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02:44:56  <ryah>the uv_ref is like a binary thing - not an integer thing?
02:45:14  <ryah>if you uv_ref twice do you need to uv_unref twice?
02:45:23  <ryah>(looking at the code it doesn't seem so...)
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06:09:15  <mmalecki>ircretary: tell bnoordhuis https://github.com/mmalecki/graceful-exit
06:09:16  <ircretary>mmalecki: I'll be sure to tell bnoordhuis
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11:25:07  <mmalecki>bnoordhuis: ho
11:25:15  <bnoordhuis>mmalecki: hey
11:25:24  <mmalecki>bnoordhuis: did you get my note?
11:25:30  <bnoordhuis>yes
11:25:43  <mmalecki>bnoordhuis: yeah, so that'd be one of potential usecases
11:26:25  <mmalecki>but yeah, I'll open a pr
11:26:48  <mmalecki>bnoordhuis: you'll like the hotel btw
11:26:52  <mmalecki>it has a bar
11:37:10  <bnoordhuis>what decent hotel hasn't? :)
11:38:42  <mmalecki>heh :)
11:46:58  <txdv_>whats that pep saghul
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12:01:51  <deoxxa>hey indutny, you alive?
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12:28:35  <indutny>deoxxa: yes
12:28:37  <indutny>I hope so
12:28:39  <indutny>bnoordhuis: heya
12:28:43  <indutny>bnoordhuis: review https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/4139#issuecomment-9426624 ?
12:29:19  <deoxxa>can "реестр" be used to describe a building? like a registration office thing?
12:29:40  <indutny>yes, sure
12:29:45  <deoxxa>awesome :3
12:29:47  <deoxxa>thanks
12:29:50  <indutny>np
12:34:18  <bnoordhuis>indutny: i'm supposed to be working on my slides :)
12:34:24  <indutny>bnoordhuis: oooh
12:34:26  <indutny>right
12:34:28  <indutny>dublin?
12:34:31  <bnoordhuis>yep
12:35:40  <indutny>bnoordhuis: cool
12:35:44  <indutny>shoot
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13:12:58  <piscisaureus_>hey bnoordhuis, yt?
13:13:05  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: ih
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13:22:56  <piscisaureus_>indutny: are there really no new asm files? I seem to remember there were
13:23:04  <piscisaureus_>atleast for x64
13:23:08  <indutny>piscisaureus_: either I missing them
13:23:19  <piscisaureus_>indutny: (or are you busy with other stuff now?)
13:23:24  <indutny>piscisaureus_: well, sort of
13:23:29  <piscisaureus_>indutny: ok :-)
13:23:30  <indutny>piscisaureus_: not that free to find small files
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14:01:35  <piscisaureus_>http://blip.tv/jsconf/jsconf2012-vyacheslav-egorov-6141593
14:01:44  <piscisaureus_>oh huh that's not the one
14:01:47  <piscisaureus_>disregard
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15:37:18  <txdv_>he is russian\
15:37:24  <txdv_>he talks v8
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15:50:13  <rendar>very interesting video
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16:25:26  <indutny>piscisaureus_: so
16:25:34  <indutny>piscisaureus_: does everything else looks good to you?
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16:36:06  <piscisaureus_>indutny: I doubt it... as far as I can tell there were more asm files added so you don't get the bonus points for that
16:36:17  <piscisaureus_>e.g. for rc4
16:36:32  <piscisaureus_>also sha
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16:37:33  <piscisaureus_>indutny: that's what I meant by finding them all and vetting them :-)
16:37:51  <piscisaureus_>indutny: I don't know which ones could/should be used but that we have to figure out
16:38:05  <piscisaureus_>indutny: but thanks for the work you've done so far
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16:48:08  <piscisaureus_>does android support __sync_val_comapre_and_swap
16:48:09  <piscisaureus_>?
16:48:16  <piscisaureus_>or arm, rather
16:48:50  <rendar>yes
16:49:28  <rendar>its a gcc thing btw, gcc will produce the correct binary code for CAS, aware of the arch currently used, but unaware of the underlying system
16:49:50  <piscisaureus_>ok, good
16:50:16  <rendar>piscisaureus_: btw there are new builtin functions for gcc, if you're using gcc for doing that, they start with atomic_*
16:50:36  <indutny>I suppose it's a part of C11
16:51:03  <rendar>indutny: nope, atomic_* builtins functions are still a gcc thing, then they're used by C++11 std::atomic classes
16:51:54  <piscisaureus_>is there no non-comparing counterpart to compare-and-swap
16:51:58  <piscisaureus_>I just want swap :-)
16:52:14  <piscisaureus_>__sync_fetch_and_set or something
16:52:34  <piscisaureus_>lock xchg
16:53:01  <ryah>http://highscalability.com/blog/2012/10/15/simpler-cheaper-faster-playtomics-move-from-net-to-node-and.html
16:53:06  <ryah>^-- nice little article
16:53:17  <piscisaureus_>nice
16:53:21  <piscisaureus_>ryah: oh, fyi
16:53:40  <piscisaureus_>ryah: uv_ref/uv_unref are boolean and idempotent now. It makes debugging much easier
16:54:28  <piscisaureus_>ryah: also (in case you didn't know) handles that are not active no longer keep the loop alive (e.g. a tcp that is not reading, writing, connecting or listening, or a nonrepeating timer that has expired)
16:56:00  <ryah>ive experienced some fishy behavior recently
16:56:09  <ryah>but i havent nailed it down
16:56:15  <ryah>regarding refs
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17:03:20  <piscisaureus_>ryah: well, when you do, lemme know
17:03:30  <piscisaureus_>ryah: there are no real know issues with refcounting afaik
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17:19:35  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: https://github.com/bnoordhuis/libuv-chat <- slides aren't complete but you may want to look at the app itself
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17:24:35  <indutny>bnoordhuis: no websockets?
17:24:39  <indutny>not too tough
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18:05:08  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: kewl
18:05:13  <piscisaureus_>can you do that in 30 minutes?
18:05:19  <piscisaureus_>;-)
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18:21:19  <piscisaureus_>TooTallNate: hey, is your pi still accessible from the web somehow?
18:21:46  <TooTallNate>piscisaureus_: jes
18:21:55  <TooTallNate>piscisaureus_: your key is still on there
18:22:00  <TooTallNate>piscisaureus_: ssh n8.io -p 2222
18:22:09  <piscisaureus_>kewl
18:22:19  <TooTallNate>i just got my second one in the other day too :)
18:22:29  <TooTallNate>i haven't even plugged it in yet
18:22:30  <piscisaureus_>noce
18:22:40  <TooTallNate>not entirely sure what I'm gonna use it for
18:23:50  <piscisaureus_>TooTallNate: do people run node on ARMv5 or older?
18:24:33  <TooTallNate>piscisaureus_: hmmm, good question. I'm not entirely sure which devices that falls under
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18:25:34  <TooTallNate>which version of arm is "ARM Cortex A8"?
18:25:48  <piscisaureus_>TooTallNate: armv7
18:25:55  <TooTallNate>kewl
18:26:06  <TooTallNate>well i'd say i don't care about armv5 then :p
18:29:18  <piscisaureus_>armv5 might just have a swp instruction but it's supposedly very slow
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18:41:54  <piscisaureus_>for arm, does the distinction between intel and at&t syntax also exist?
18:41:59  <piscisaureus_>TooTallNate bnoordhuis --^
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18:49:18  <creationix>TooTallNate, what's the rasp pi?
18:49:22  <creationix>isn't that v5?
18:49:28  <TooTallNate>creationix: v6
18:50:14  <creationix>yeah, then v5 is probably mostly dead
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20:20:53  <txdv>\interesting
20:21:17  <txdv>libuv makes a false assumption on the virtual file layout on 12.04
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21:14:14  <isaacs>TooTallNate: two more versions, and it's gonna get really confusing
21:14:34  <isaacs>TooTallNate: "Does node v0.8 run on v8? No, V8 doesn't compile..."
21:15:09  <TooTallNate>isaacs: what are we talking about here?
21:15:21  <isaacs>TooTallNate: arm versions
21:15:27  <isaacs>vs v8 and node versions
21:16:12  <TooTallNate>what's the quote from?
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21:18:07  <isaacs>TooTallNate: my imagination :)
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21:18:56  <TooTallNate>isaacs: hahah, ok i see what you mean now :p
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21:20:11  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: on arm, there's only arm syntax afaik
21:20:41  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: ya, i managed to implement "lock xchg" in arm but i decided to take another approach
21:20:44  <piscisaureus_>it got too complicated
21:21:03  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: working on atomic ops?
21:21:26  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: actually, it was a side track from working on signals again
21:21:33  <piscisaureus_>but for posterity, this is how you do it: https://gist.github.com/3895575
21:21:54  <piscisaureus_>you can do random stuff between the ldrex and strex to implement atomic add etc
21:22:12  <piscisaureus_>and "lock cmpxchg"
21:23:17  <piscisaureus_>i was not sure about the early clobber tbw
21:23:22  <piscisaureus_>*btw
21:23:39  <piscisaureus_>could be that it'd be better to make previous_value earlyclobber instead of "retry"
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21:28:47  <piscisaureus_>http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/76562_374261152648484_676250255_n.jpg
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21:34:58  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/4059
21:36:14  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: you want to revert?
21:36:23  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: yes
21:36:41  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: I am sorta surprised that it works at all, given that we switch std* to nonblocking
21:36:47  <piscisaureus_>which is not what openssl expects
21:37:19  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: i think openssl does open("/dev/tty")
21:37:22  <bnoordhuis>so it's not affected
21:37:25  <piscisaureus_>aah
21:37:30  <piscisaureus_>that'd be a smart move :-)
21:37:45  <piscisaureus_>ya whatever revert that shit
21:37:54  <piscisaureus_>(sadface)
21:37:59  <piscisaureus_>it felt like the right thing to do
21:38:45  <piscisaureus_>it doesn't open CON on windows
21:39:06  <bnoordhuis>i don't expect it to work on windows :)
21:40:32  <piscisaureus_>ah yeah it uses GetStdHandle
21:40:37  <piscisaureus_>fuck that code is moronic
21:40:54  <piscisaureus_>(GetStdHandle is also wrong btw)
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21:45:19  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/28b0cc0 ?
21:45:35  <bnoordhuis>compiles and works on linux and solaris, might be worth testing on os x
21:45:38  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: lgtm
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21:47:26  <bnoordhuis>TooTallNate: btw, b1e78ce in v0.8 breaks simple/test-repl-options
21:47:55  <TooTallNate>bnoordhuis: shit, ok i'll look into it
21:48:24  <bnoordhuis>TooTallNate: in case it helps:
21:48:35  <bnoordhuis>Unknown global: module
21:48:36  <bnoordhuis>assert.js:102
21:48:36  <bnoordhuis> throw new assert.AssertionError({
21:48:36  <bnoordhuis> ^
21:48:38  <bnoordhuis>AssertionError: Unknown global found
21:48:40  <bnoordhuis> at process.<anonymous> (/home/bnoordhuis/src/nodejs/v0.8/test/common.js:136:14)
21:48:43  <bnoordhuis> at process.EventEmitter.emit (events.js:93:17)
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21:49:07  <MI6>joyent/node: Ben Noordhuis v0.8 * 28b0cc0 : Revert "Disable OpenSSL UI" This reverts commit 1c88c3b3b56c6047180e116c - http://git.io/dzyK9A
21:49:57  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: also revert in 0.8?
21:50:07  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: yeah, that was v0.8
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21:52:39  <piscisaureus_>http://2012.jsconf.eu/speaker/2012/08/30/mo%CC%88-js-explaining-js-vm-in-js.html
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21:56:34  <TooTallNate>bnoordhuis: https://github.com/TooTallNate/node/commit/c23fbcca4839ee5249100a2306ae0235a5021c48
21:57:06  <MI6>joyent/node: Ben Noordhuis v0.8 * 1205734 : configure: turn on VFPv3 on ARMv7 Fixes a V8 build error caused by missi - http://git.io/fQUd_w
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21:58:24  <bnoordhuis>TooTallNate: maybe refer (in the log) to the commit that introduced the change, otherwise lgtm
21:58:59  <TooTallNate>bnoordhuis: ok will do
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22:01:13  <MI6>joyent/node: Nathan Rajlich v0.8 * cca15e8 : test: disable global variable check for "test-repl-options.js" Previousl - http://git.io/Sw8O0g
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22:05:40  <piscisaureus_>you guys should all watch mraleph's talks
22:05:44  <piscisaureus_>*talk
22:06:25  <bradleymeck>piscisaureus_: which one?
22:06:34  <piscisaureus_>http://2012.jsconf.eu/speaker/2012/08/30/mo%CC%88-js-explaining-js-vm-in-js.html
22:06:51  <bradleymeck>ah i was at that one yea
22:07:07  <bradleymeck>wait not eu lol nm, watching
22:08:37  <bradleymeck>piscisaureus_: do you know how if passing env vars with runas on windows keeps env variables (docs are lite)
22:09:31  <MI6>joyent/libuv: Hiroaki Nakamura master * 36b1e1a : test: change 10e8 to 1e9 It is clearer and used everywhere else. - http://git.io/j1f_1w
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22:11:31  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/joyent/libuv/compare/fd136da04ade...36b1e1a57c59
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22:13:22  <mraleph>piscisaureus_: you are like my agent :-)
22:13:32  <piscisaureus_>mraleph: yeah I will send the bill later
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22:18:38  <TooTallNate>mraleph: i'm enjoying the talk :)
22:18:54  <piscisaureus_>mraleph: now you should release your chrome patches :-)
22:19:00  <piscisaureus_>mraleph: I am just increasing the pressure.
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23:00:34  <isaacs>man.
23:00:45  <isaacs>this talk for node dublin is like the second weirdest tech conference talk i've ever given.
23:00:58  <isaacs>it's hardly about node at all.
23:01:16  <isaacs>need to hurry up and finish streams2 so i can talk about that instead :)
23:01:27  <isaacs>(in au and jp and ko)
23:01:52  <rvagg>ya, hold that back for au isaacs
23:03:51  <mmalecki>isaacs: when are you getting in?
23:04:12  <mmalecki>isaacs: you'll love the neighborhood btw, awesome cafes and food :)
23:04:37  <isaacs>mmalecki: yeah, i was in dublin very briefly for funconf. looking forward t it.
23:04:41  <isaacs>mmalecki: 5:15pm wednesday
23:06:40  <CoverSlide>maybe it's about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Node_(band)
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23:10:28  <isaacs>CoverSlide: It's like they say, only the eternal flame of your life will help you.
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23:35:03  <isaacs>mraleph: you shoudl just push it to github. dont' wait for it ot be ready.
23:35:07  <isaacs>mraleph: it's ready :)
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