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03:59:55  <dlmanning>If an editor saves a file to a temp location and then does a move to the original filename, which events *should* be triggered by FSWatcher?
04:00:43  <dlmanning>rename <tempfile> / change <original file> or just rename <tempfile> ?
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09:57:23  <trevnorris>night all
10:04:50  <indutny>hi
10:04:52  <indutny>:)
10:04:53  <indutny>and bye
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13:12:31  <hz>can I put STDIN win32 handle into signaled state? I need WaitForSingleObject to return even if no events to be read.
13:13:31  <hz>i want to avoid timeout or other signalable objects
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14:10:45  <mmalecki>rvagg: yo
14:10:53  <mmalecki>rvagg: can I haz npm sophia name?
14:11:02  <mmalecki>rvagg: I want to publish first version :)
14:11:35  <mmalecki>er, wrong channel
14:11:36  <mmalecki>owell
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21:41:56  <isaacs>ircretary: tell piscisaureus_ If you could make your needs for Tasks be merged into Domains in a way that gives domain.dispose() well-defined semantics, that'd be rad.
21:41:56  <ircretary>isaacs: I'll be sure to tell piscisaureus_
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21:42:35  <tjfontaine>indeed, would that be possible for 1.0?
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22:35:47  <othiym23>tjfontaine: with any luck the asyncListener stuff should make it possible to mash up Domains and Tasks in pretty much whatever was you want
22:36:29  <piscisaureus_>I'd need a destructor callback
22:36:39  <piscisaureus_>othiym23: I need to distinguish between HandleWrap.onread and HandleWrap.onclose primarily
22:36:46  <piscisaureus_>othiym23: but I definitely want it in
22:36:49  <piscisaureus_>othiym23: and so do you :)
22:37:14  <othiym23>as an old Java / C++ developer, the idea of having object finalizers is really appealing
22:37:30  <othiym23>and yes, yes I do
22:37:35  <piscisaureus_>othiym23: it will also make performance monitoring much easier :-p
22:38:26  <othiym23>which, the asyncListener or destructor callbacks?
22:38:46  <piscisaureus_>othiym23: tasks
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22:39:16  <othiym23>ahh yeah, it would
22:40:19  <tjfontaine>performance monitoring from within the app logic you mean :)
22:40:55  <othiym23>I keep thinking about creating an agent built on dtrace / stap / etw and it sounds like... effort
22:41:00  <tjfontaine>othiym23: and yes, potentially it could be done, it's just a matter of exactly how it's expected to look and the amount of other lift required for it
22:41:20  <tjfontaine>othiym23: we could talk about it some at futurestack
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22:41:53  <othiym23>tjfontaine: yeah, and that's all gonna have to happen inside Node -- es-discuss / TC39 find finalizers unacceptable because of the security implications
22:41:56  <tjfontaine>asyncListener stuff is actually a great boon for doing interesting latency monitoring
22:42:18  <tjfontaine>(from dtrace etc that is)
22:42:38  <othiym23>tjfontaine: Jacob and I have all kinds of things we want to talk to you about at FutureStack ;)
22:42:58  <tjfontaine>:)
22:43:15  <othiym23>you're going to be there on Thursday, right?
22:43:24  <tjfontaine>I think my calendar has me there both days at the moment
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22:44:13  <tjfontaine>indeed, my schedule is 1pm both days at futurestack
22:44:25  <othiym23>right now my plan is to be out at JS.everywhere all day on Friday
22:44:33  <tjfontaine>ok
22:44:56  <tjfontaine>so there won't be a need for me to necessarily be in the lounge if you're not doing node hours there on friday :)
22:45:28  <othiym23>poor Jacob will be so loonely
22:45:30  <othiym23>except for the 150 other coworkers of ours who will be there
22:45:35  <tjfontaine>heh
22:45:41  <tjfontaine>we'll play it by ear :)
22:46:37  <piscisaureus_>But I need finalizers :)
22:46:42  <piscisaureus_>so let's augment trevnorris' stuff
22:46:59  <piscisaureus_>trevnorris already suggested it and he says he can do it easily
22:47:18  <tjfontaine>so you want it for 0.12?
22:47:37  <piscisaureus_>if async listeners is in it'd be nice
22:47:44  <piscisaureus_>but we can get it post-0.12
22:47:50  <piscisaureus_>I don't want to hold up .12
22:47:54  <tjfontaine>I'd love to get the first pass of his stuff in, so it can stop languishing in the PR
22:48:02  <piscisaureus_>oh it looks good to me
22:48:17  <piscisaureus_>the only concern is what the perf implications are when people are using domains
22:48:27  <piscisaureus_>we should get isaacs to use it for npmjs.org
22:50:00  <tjfontaine>heh, before we do that we need to figure out the ssl/fs-writestream truncation issue
22:50:07  <tjfontaine>I will actually file that bug
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23:58:03  <isaacs>tjfontaine: that reminds me, i should fix that, i have a more minimized test case
23:59:24  <MI6>libuv-master-gyp: #232 FAILURE windows-x64 (4/196) windows-ia32 (3/196) http://jenkins.nodejs.org/job/libuv-master-gyp/232/