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00:26:21  <MI6>joyent/libuv: isaacs master * 5812e19 : Merge branch 'v0.10' (+1 more commits) - http://git.io/7MgnPQ
00:30:59  <piscisaureus_>^-- Doc?
00:31:03  <piscisaureus_>code comments
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00:46:09  <isaacs>piscisaureus_: and readme
00:46:23  <piscisaureus_>isaacs: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/47d98b64c45db8335bf7e065351e385cae32323d ?
00:46:25  <piscisaureus_>not seeing any
00:46:30  <isaacs>oh, it was just code coments, you're right
00:46:36  <piscisaureus_>I
00:46:42  <isaacs>i was acting fast to prevent it from blowing up further into a whole big thing.
00:46:56  <piscisaureus_>of course this commit is harmless so that might have been the right call
00:47:05  <piscisaureus_>however ... sigh
00:47:11  <isaacs>not "might have been". it absolutely was the right call.
00:47:31  <isaacs>there is nothing to be gained by picking fights over our right to use exclusionary gendered language in an open source project.
00:47:34  <isaacs>it can only do harm.
00:47:52  <isaacs>to libuv, node, joyent, and strongloop, most directly.
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01:56:41  <piscisaureus_>leonvv: it should. Are you using uv_pipe_open or uv_tcp_open?
01:56:53  <piscisaureus_>if you do, then you need to set the socket to nonblocking mode
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04:58:38  <MI6>joyent/libuv: huxingyi v0.10 * da32344 : fs-event: fix invalid memory access - http://git.io/AfaiCQ
05:02:33  <superjoe>I seem to have managed to create a thread leak in my wrapper o.O
05:03:33  <superjoe>(not asking for help at this point, just sharing an amusing anecdote)
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08:15:22  <indutny>hey bnoordhuis
08:15:25  <indutny>good morning
08:23:02  <bnoordhuis>indutny: sup fedor?
08:23:15  <indutny>everything is fine
08:23:22  <indutny>I just see that you're on merging rave
08:23:27  <indutny>mind landing a couple of fixes for v0.10?
08:23:54  <indutny>https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/6604
08:23:55  <indutny>https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/6570
08:24:08  <indutny>and the same as last, but for master https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/6569
08:24:20  <bnoordhuis>are they all 10 lines or less?
08:24:21  <indutny>first one is quite important
08:24:44  <indutny>first it is
08:24:45  <indutny>first
08:24:48  <indutny>:)
08:25:02  <bnoordhuis>i'll take a look
08:25:27  <bnoordhuis>no test?
08:25:35  <indutny>yeah, its hard to test
08:25:41  <indutny>but I have an assertion
08:26:31  <bnoordhuis>do you still need the this.pair.ssl !== null check in that case?
08:27:22  <bnoordhuis>also, "In rare occasions" is prety vague. a more detailed description would be appreciated
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08:30:40  <indutny>bnoordhuis: ok, I'll do my best
08:30:43  <indutny>otherwise LGTY?
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08:33:04  <bnoordhuis>indutny: one sec
08:39:04  <indutny>sure
08:41:38  <bnoordhuis>indutny: sorry, gotta run. my kids are in dire need of attention
08:42:34  <indutny>np
08:42:38  <indutny>see ya later
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08:56:50  <aranhoide>are these gists known to be a good example of how to use OpenSSL on libuv? https://gist.github.com/roxlu/3999827 https://gist.github.com/roxlu/4000573
08:57:18  <aranhoide>can you recommend any other sources? async openssl is hard(er)
08:58:02  <aranhoide>I saw this article that looks pretty complete, but it's using windows iocp's http://famellee.wordpress.com/2013/02/20/use-openssl-with-io-completion-port-and-certificate-signing/
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09:02:16  <indutny>aranhoide: heya
09:02:21  <indutny>that's a bit selfish
09:02:24  <indutny>but take a look at http://github.com/indutny/bud
09:02:33  <indutny>specifically https://github.com/indutny/bud/blob/master/src/client.c
09:02:51  <indutny>its a bit bigger and harder
09:02:57  <indutny>but works too
09:04:27  <aranhoide>indutny: I'll give it a look, thanks a lot!
09:04:31  <indutny>np
09:04:35  <indutny>you're welcome
09:04:54  <aranhoide>what's a "TLS terminator" exactly? :)
09:05:24  <aranhoide>I mean, what does bud do overall? is it just a TLS wrapper on libuv?
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09:09:28  <aranhoide>indutny: I see something about redis, so it must have a wider scope.
09:09:36  <indutny>oh
09:09:48  <indutny>its a TLS server
09:09:52  <indutny>proxying requests to non-TLS server
09:09:55  <indutny>i.e. removing encryption
09:10:03  <indutny>aranhoide: and ignore redis
09:10:09  <indutny>its something that I'm going to remove
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09:14:45  <aranhoide>that's libuv 11, right? (I know it's lame of me to ask, but I'm new at this)
09:15:01  <aranhoide>0.11 that is
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09:41:04  <aranhoide>indutny: I see you set up no SSL lock callbacks. so I take it that all libuv callbacks get called in the same thread (even though libuv itself may spawn auxiliary ones) so no locking is necessary?
09:41:26  <indutny>yeah, its one thread app
09:41:43  <indutny>I'd strongly advise you from doing multithreaded TLS server
09:41:52  <indutny>OpenSSL has a lot of internal locks
09:42:15  <indutny>and performance would be much worse than in the same multi-process app
09:42:35  <aranhoide>so is that a particular feature of your app, or does libuv always/most typically work like this?
09:42:51  <aranhoide>yes, I'd very much prefer to avoid multiple threads
09:47:18  <aranhoide>indutny: oh, so your app uses multiple processes?
09:47:24  <indutny>yes
09:47:34  <indutny>for both questions :)
09:47:43  <indutny>usually libuv should be used like this
09:47:52  <indutny>and I'm using multiple processes
09:47:58  <aranhoide>thanks a lot, again
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09:59:48  <indutny>np
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10:22:22  <aranhoide>in this article ( http://www.lenholgate.com/blog/2002/11/using-openssl-with-asynchronous-sockets.html ), in the "A Potential for Optimization", the author mentions that there is some way to read from/write directly to the Bio data buffers, thus avoiding one copy. http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.encryption.openssl.user/2659 suggests this might be tricky
10:22:47  <aranhoide>is this worth trying at all or does libuv require copying anyway?
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10:32:02  <indutny>aranhoide: I use this technique
10:32:08  <indutny>aranhoide: bud is using my ringbuffer.c
10:32:15  <indutny>and reading and writing directly to it
10:32:25  <aranhoide>oh neat!
10:32:25  <indutny>not that I read about it there
10:32:27  <indutny>but anyway
10:33:26  <aranhoide>so what prompted you to write bud / what do you plan to use it for?
10:33:33  <aranhoide>any particular application in mind?
10:35:58  <indutny>I know some people who needs it
10:36:02  <indutny>including my company :)
10:38:49  <aranhoide>what does your company do? shameless plugs welcome :)
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10:48:13  <aranhoide>oh, you work at joyent? :) sorry for being obtuse
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11:08:36  <aranhoide>indutny: nice article about jitting! although so far it looks more like a batch compiler
11:08:44  <indutny>aranhoide: haha
11:08:50  <indutny>aranhoide: I work at voxer
11:09:00  <indutny>we do voxing :)
11:09:05  <indutny>and a lof ot TLS server
11:09:07  <indutny>servers*
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11:10:06  <aranhoide>I see
11:13:21  <indutny>btw
11:13:28  <indutny>does blog.indutny.com run on https for you/
11:13:29  <indutny>?
11:13:40  <indutny>if yes - it runs on bud :)
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11:17:24  <indutny>and also spdy
11:17:27  <indutny>but that's another topic
11:19:47  <aranhoide>indutny: yes, it runs on https for me :)
11:19:52  <indutny>great
11:19:53  <aranhoide>nice
11:19:55  <indutny>at least - it works
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12:14:18  <aranhoide>if I only do networking (no files, signals, etc) and I have in the range of 100-200 symultaneous connections, does libuv have a speed advantage over select? or is it only really worth it with connections >1000 or so?
12:14:39  <aranhoide>I know select() doesn't scale, but is it slower too for a small number of symultaneous connections?
12:15:56  <aranhoide>(also, if I worry especially about performance in linux)
12:21:06  <aranhoide>*simultaneous even
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13:10:56  <bnoordhuis>indutny: ping. still around?
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13:22:04  <indutny>bnoordhuis: yes
13:22:28  <indutny>aranhoide: I think select() is really bad
13:22:43  <indutny>but could work with small number of fds
13:22:50  <indutny>quite fast
13:22:59  <indutny>however, if you'll get high loads
13:23:01  <aranhoide>indutny: about how small would that have to be?
13:23:03  <indutny>it may blow up
13:23:13  <indutny>aranhoide: honestly saying, I don't know
13:23:16  <indutny>you can try benchmarking
13:23:24  <indutny>to see at which number of fds it fails short
13:23:55  <bnoordhuis>indutny: just going over your PRs. still the same ones as this morning?
13:24:04  <indutny>well, I have more
13:24:10  <indutny>but these ones are important
13:24:55  <bnoordhuis>aranhoide: select() only works for a handful of file descriptors. if you have 10-20 fds, epoll or kqueue should always win out
13:25:19  <aranhoide>nice, that's enough for me
13:26:04  <aranhoide>I mean, enough info, not enough fds ;)
13:26:13  <aranhoide>thanks!
13:26:32  <bnoordhuis>np :)
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13:31:16  <mmalecki>bnoordhuis: you don't happen to be going to Amsterdam today, are you?
13:34:24  <bnoordhuis>mmalecki: indeed, it so happens i don't
13:34:38  <bnoordhuis>mmalecki: but why do you ask?
13:35:29  <mmalecki>bnoordhuis: there's this great pub nearby my place, Gollem: http://cafegollem.nl/
13:35:40  <mmalecki>(you'll probablyh understand something from their website)
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13:35:46  <bnoordhuis>oh yeah, i know it
13:38:02  <mmalecki>bnoordhuis: does next weekend in Utrecht work for you btw?
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13:41:30  <bnoordhuis>mmalecki: yeah, i think that could work. weekdays wfm too btw
13:41:57  <mmalecki>bnoordhuis: so next Friday/Thursday :)
13:42:07  <bnoordhuis>mmalecki: yeah, that's fine
13:42:26  <bnoordhuis>sorry, gotta run. we have visitors. i'll ping you later today
13:45:45  <mmalecki>sure
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14:09:46  <indutny>that ocsp thing is cool :)
14:32:16  <mmalecki>indutny: hey, should your ip module consider ::1 a private IPv6 address?
14:32:26  <indutny>hm...
14:32:27  <indutny>perhaps
14:32:39  <indutny>mmalecki: wanna be a new maintainer of it? :)
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14:36:42  <mmalecki>indutny: haha, yes, if you tell me if ::1 is supposed to be private
14:37:31  <indutny>well, idk
14:37:35  <indutny>need to google it
14:37:38  <indutny>but I'm too busy with OSCP
14:37:47  <mmalecki>a'ight. add me and I'll figure it out
14:37:51  <indutny>I guess it is
14:38:00  <indutny>you can't connect to servers listening on 127.0.0.1
14:38:04  <indutny>from non-loopback interface
14:38:10  <mmalecki>I mean, that's only sane since 127.0.0.1 is private
14:38:16  <indutny>well
14:38:24  <indutny>ok, you better check it out
14:39:04  <indutny>added you to project
14:39:06  <indutny>and npm owners
14:39:09  <indutny>thank you :)
14:39:14  <mmalecki>thanks Fedora
14:39:17  <mmalecki>*Fedor
14:40:03  <indutny>you're welcome
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