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13:53:34  <indutny>hey hey
13:53:38  <indutny>how are you, people?
13:55:24  <cjd>hi
13:58:11  <cjd>I could use a hand with an npm issue https://github.com/npm/npm-www/issues/793 (locked out of my account because the email is @lavabit.com)
13:58:37  <cjd>and hoping one of you nice guys will accept my PR to https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1327 so I don't need to patch libuv for cjdns/windows
13:58:42  <cjd>other than that, excellent :)
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14:05:06  <indutny>:)
14:05:15  <indutny>well, I have nothing to say about npm
14:05:21  <indutny>they are separate company anyway
14:05:26  <cjd>oh really?
14:05:35  <cjd>spinoff while I wasn't paying attention?
14:07:48  <indutny>http://blog.npmjs.org/
14:07:49  <indutny>yeah
14:07:51  <indutny>quite a while
14:07:51  <indutny>anyway
14:07:55  <indutny>we wasn't maintaining it
14:07:58  <indutny>even prior to this
14:08:14  <indutny>cjd: replied on your PR
14:09:07  <cjd>thx, replying
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14:17:05  <cjd>tl;dr I can't think of any way to make less functionality be inside of libuv, that patch is essentially a hole in libuv which allows me to interact with the IO completion port directly
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15:18:48  <indutny>cjd: the hole is too wide :)
15:19:03  <indutny>the obvious alternative to it
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15:19:23  <indutny>would be spinning another thread with IOCP
15:19:31  <indutny>and sending back events with async_send
15:19:58  <indutny>s/back events/events back/
15:20:03  <indutny>saghul: what do you think?
15:20:14  <indutny>we could also just expose the IOCP
15:20:27  <indutny>but that wouldn't suffice, right?
15:20:32  <cjd>you can't really expose the IOCP without exposing the way to get the callback
15:20:32  <indutny>you'll need some other stuff like OVERLAPPED
15:20:36  <indutny>yeah
15:20:36  <cjd>which is basically what my patch does
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15:26:45  <indutny>ok
15:26:47  <indutny>another idea
15:26:52  <indutny>could we just add a flag on handle?
15:26:58  <indutny>or flag for uv_poll_t
15:27:16  <indutny>like UV_WIN_WIERD_HANDLE
15:27:16  <indutny>:D
15:27:20  <cjd>:D
15:28:01  <indutny>and encapsulate all of your code inside uv_poll_t implementation
15:28:06  <cjd>the OVERLAPPED needs to be contained within the req structure in order for libuv to find the right function to call
15:28:21  <indutny>we could alloc it
15:28:41  <indutny>and add ptr field to uv_poll_t
15:28:54  <cjd>as long as uv_poll_ex() call to offsetof() works ok
15:29:01  <indutny>aaah
15:29:02  <indutny>offsetof
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15:29:06  <indutny>well
15:29:11  <indutny>heh
15:29:19  <cjd>it takes the OVERLAPPED and gets the req
15:29:23  <indutny>I know
15:29:31  <indutny>you could work-around this too
15:30:05  <cjd>so I take it the main objection is the change to uv.h, horrors inside of src/win are ok as long as the user doesn't see them (?)
15:30:40  <indutny>yes
15:30:48  <indutny>but not as much horrors as you describe it :)
15:31:03  <indutny>the way I describe it
15:31:10  <indutny>it is still possible to write cross-platform uv code
15:31:15  <tjfontaine>heh
15:31:21  <indutny>tjfontaine: ohai
15:31:22  <tjfontaine>first thing I see is horrors
15:31:24  <cjd>mmm not really
15:31:28  <indutny>cjd: why not?/
15:31:34  <indutny>this is just a flag on uv_poll_t
15:31:37  <indutny>you could ignore it on unixes
15:31:39  <indutny>and voila
15:31:56  <cjd>oh, I thought you meant "same code works for both windows TAP and linux TAP"
15:32:04  <indutny>no, that's not what I meant
15:32:12  <indutny>ok, anyway
15:32:13  <cjd>which it will never work unless we write uv_tun() which I know you won't go for :D
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15:32:25  <indutny>that depends :)
15:32:34  <indutny>couldn't it just work via uv_poll_t ? :D
15:33:01  <cjd>once you call ReadFile() to find out whether there's a packet ready to read, you have the packet
15:33:10  <indutny>wait
15:33:13  <indutny>I mean unix side
15:33:23  <indutny>could it just work via plain uv_poll-t
15:33:26  <indutny>uv_poll_t*
15:33:28  <indutny>without any flags
15:33:30  <cjd>yup
15:33:32  <indutny>ok
15:33:35  <indutny>so here were are!
15:33:49  <cjd>uv_poll() and then read()
15:34:08  <cjd>in windows: ReadFile() and then uv_poll(UV_WEIRD_MAGIC)
15:34:20  <cjd>and the overlapped stuff :|
15:34:47  <indutny>ok, that's fine
15:34:48  <indutny>:)
15:34:55  <indutny>hm...
15:34:57  <indutny>which makes me think
15:35:07  <indutny>the TAP on linux
15:35:19  <indutny>does it behave more like a file, or more like a socket?
15:35:23  <indutny>I mean
15:35:28  <indutny>could you use it in uv_stream_t
15:35:37  <indutny>(sorry, I have no idea, how it works internally)
15:35:38  <cjd>mmm iirc I do
15:36:26  <cjd>https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns/blob/master/interface/tuntap/TUNInterface_linux.c
15:36:29  <cjd>aha pipe()
15:36:30  <indutny>ok
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15:36:34  <cjd>uv_pipe()
15:36:40  * cjdusing lazy/sneeky method
15:36:48  <indutny>and
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15:37:04  <indutny>could we just make uv_pipe work with windows TAP?
15:37:06  <indutny>by adding flag?
15:37:36  <cjd>hmm
15:37:41  <indutny>yeah
15:37:57  <cjd>uv_pipe wants an int fileno, how do we get that from a HANDLE ?
15:38:10  <indutny>we could make it accept HANDLE
15:38:12  <tjfontaine>osf_ functions
15:38:22  <tjfontaine>we already have them in there
15:38:29  <cjd>does osf_ allow converting *any* handle into an int?
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15:38:46  <indutny>cjd: it is easier to check this
15:38:55  <indutny>than figure out from docs :)
15:38:58  <cjd>hehe
15:39:10  <cjd>my only windows vm is at work and I usually only develop at home
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15:39:28  <indutny>let me google it
15:39:40  <tjfontaine>(for you)
15:40:25  <cjd>xD
15:40:35  <indutny>I think it'll definitely work this way
15:40:37  <indutny>fd => HANDLE
15:40:41  <cjd>I have a horrific memory but I seem to recall there were some kind of problems with this
15:40:47  <indutny>if you managed to get fd
15:41:06  <tjfontaine>it's windows how are there not horrific problems? :)
15:41:16  <cjd>heh
15:41:26  <indutny>https://github.com/Arty0/tapcfg/blob/master/src/lib/tapcfg_windows.c#L232
15:41:54  <indutny>I have no idea why this line is commented
15:42:11  <cjd>interesting replacement
15:42:20  <cjd>just pass the handle as an int
15:42:29  <indutny>yeah
15:42:34  <cjd>handles in windows will never be >2**24 so it's safe to cast them to int
15:42:48  <indutny>but
15:42:56  <indutny>you'll need to distinguish them
15:42:59  <indutny>from fds
15:43:26  <cjd>return 0-((uintptr_t)handle); // and go take a shower
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15:43:54  <indutny>ok, this probably is a way to go
15:44:03  <indutny>the highest bit couldn't ever be 1 for both handles and fds
15:44:07  <indutny>you could just set it
15:44:15  <indutny>saghul: I need you
15:44:25  <cjd>that would actually be super cool because we could document that you can always pass a HANDLE just by negating it
15:44:25  <indutny>saghul: any thoughts on this? :)
15:44:40  <indutny>cjd: no, we will need to add api method
15:44:46  <indutny>cjd: to convert handle to int
15:44:59  <indutny>I don't want to lock ourselves into this negating thing
15:44:59  <cjd>that's fine
15:45:15  <cjd>either way, it solves a real problem that I ran up against a few times
15:45:20  <indutny>cjd: could you please wrap it all up and post on that github thread?
15:45:26  <indutny>I mean
15:45:32  <indutny>flag + int handle
15:45:33  <cjd>irc meeting minutes?
15:45:36  <cjd>kk
15:45:39  <indutny>yeah
15:45:44  <indutny>I want saghul to take a look at it
15:45:48  <indutny>before we go deeper
15:45:52  <indutny>and it seems like he's away
15:46:08  <saghul>pong
15:46:13  <indutny>saghul: ohai
15:46:16  <indutny>saghul: haha
15:46:16  <saghul>I'm half afk now
15:46:35  <indutny>saghul: its fine, please read that IOCP github thread
15:46:36  <indutny>eventually
15:46:41  <saghul>can either of you paste the discussion on the issue so we continue there?
15:46:46  <indutny>yeah
15:46:50  <indutny>this sounds like a good idea too
15:47:28  <cjd>oh you beat me
15:47:40  <indutny>saghul: posted a comment
15:47:46  <indutny>cjd: sorry :P
15:47:51  <cjd>heh
15:47:54  <saghul>thanks!
15:48:31  <indutny>you are welcome
15:48:44  <indutny>cjd: so before we will start working on it
15:48:49  <indutny>we should get saghul's +1 on it :)
15:48:54  <cjd>/nod
15:48:57  <indutny>thank you
15:49:03  <cjd>no rush on my end, I have a patchset and cjdns.exe is working
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15:49:12  <indutny>nice!
15:49:33  <cjd>don't tell anyone
15:49:35  <indutny>haha
15:49:36  <indutny>ok
15:49:40  <cjd>j/k
15:49:49  <cjd>we have a tradition of not telling anyone anything
15:49:54  <saghul>I'll try to look at it asap
15:49:56  <indutny>we=who?
15:50:00  <cjd>cjdns users
15:50:44  <cjd>mmm not uv_poll() but rather uv_pipe()
15:50:49  <cjd>because of the OVERLAPPED issue
15:51:28  <tjfontaine>indutny, saghul: I'm in a closer to your time zone currently -- what's your schedule like tomorrow so we can have a call?
15:51:54  <indutny>tjfontaine: I'm totally free for all of the day
15:52:11  <tjfontaine>ok, I may be able to do first thing in the morning, depends on the lxjs schedule
15:52:16  <indutny>aaah
15:52:17  <indutny>Lisbon
15:52:18  <tjfontaine>but we can make time for it
15:52:19  <tjfontaine>aye
15:52:30  <indutny>yeah, no rush
15:52:35  <tjfontaine>right now I'm waiting to hear back if I have a call to be on in SF
15:52:35  <saghul>tjfontaine: early in the morning would work for me
15:52:45  <saghul>or evening
15:52:46  <indutny>saghul: wouldn't work for me, though :)
15:52:49  <indutny>better evening
15:52:53  <saghul>oh, ok
15:52:53  <indutny>I'm still a bit jet-lagging
15:52:59  <indutny>slept until 5pm today
15:53:10  <tjfontaine>ya I accidentally fell asleep here as well :)
15:53:18  <tjfontaine>the kind of sleep where I didn't move at all for 2 hours
15:53:30  <tjfontaine>it turns out that hurts
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15:56:40  <chrisdickinson>morning all
15:59:09  <tjfontaine>morning chris
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21:13:37  <mmalecki>my node literally just went defunct
21:16:30  <mmalecki>this never happened before, I suspect it might've happened because I was running the debugger
21:17:56  <mmalecki>(that's the child process going defunct fwiw)
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21:24:52  <mmalecki>woo, I can reproduce this!
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21:48:15  <mmalecki>if I press 'n' fast enough in the debugger, I get dropped into node.js:897
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22:25:18  <MI6>joyent/libuv: Saúl Ibarra Corretgé master * d4c1228 : include: const-ify arguments to uv_getnameinfo_cb - http://git.io/ggbd1g
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