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07:02:51  <saghul>indutny: morning!
07:02:58  <indutny>morning!
07:03:07  <indutny>saghul: do you have any comments about pipeline? ;)
07:03:19  <saghul>indutny: yes, a bout that
07:03:40  <saghul>so, I see the idea somewhat attaches to the current flow of streams, right?
07:03:52  <saghul>that is, the alloc/read cb
07:04:00  <indutny>yes
07:04:04  <indutny>you want to change it?
07:04:07  <saghul>yes
07:04:18  <indutny>heh
07:04:22  <saghul>I want to make it consistent with write
07:04:28  <saghul>that is, uv_read
07:04:31  <indutny>aah
07:04:34  <saghul>make it a request
07:04:46  <indutny>hm....
07:04:47  <saghul>actually, it's already like this on windows
07:04:57  <saghul>just hidden away
07:05:05  <indutny>that sounds like a good idea, actually
07:05:12  <indutny>and would simplify pipeline API as well
07:05:32  <indutny>+1
07:05:37  <saghul>kewl!
07:05:44  <indutny>let's do a mailing list post
07:05:49  <saghul>let me write it down and send a mail
07:05:51  <indutny>yeah
07:05:59  <indutny>generally, it seems to be identical to our current approach
07:06:07  <indutny>except that you'll need to have uv_read_t thing
07:06:22  <saghul>yeah, but I think it will simplify stuff related to memory allocations
07:06:26  <indutny>but it could be one-to-one matching
07:06:36  <indutny>you could just have
07:06:38  <saghul>because you can attach a chunk of memory to the request
07:06:39  <indutny>uv_stream_t stream;
07:06:42  <indutny>uv_read_t read_req;
07:06:52  <indutny>yeah
07:07:00  <indutny>well, there is not much point in two read requests...
07:07:13  <indutny>but we should still support it
07:07:24  <indutny>if we wish to change this API
07:07:47  <saghul>yeah
07:07:59  <saghul>we could even coalesce then perhaps
07:08:49  <indutny>yes
07:08:57  <indutny>so
07:09:02  <indutny>uv_cancel will cancel it, right?
07:09:12  <indutny>generally current code will be transformed to replace
07:09:17  <indutny>uv_read_start() with uv_read()
07:09:22  <indutny>and uv_read_stop() with uv_cancel()
07:09:27  <indutny>and uv_read() will call itself recursively
07:09:30  <indutny>until cancelled
07:09:38  <indutny>we should do the same thing for uv_listen(), perhaps
07:10:04  <saghul>yes, that's the next one in line
07:10:09  <saghul>some uv_accept request
07:10:24  <saghul>which completes when there is some accepted fd
07:10:32  <saghul>this is also how windows works internally
07:11:04  <saghul>"libuv: twisting Unix to work like Windows (TM)" :-P
07:12:37  <indutny>haha
07:12:40  <indutny>yeah
07:12:45  <indutny>ok, one step at the time
07:14:06  <saghul>yeah
07:16:52  <indutny>ok, be back in 1h
07:18:30  <saghul>ok
07:18:34  <saghul>will send the email soon
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07:56:05  <indutny>back
08:00:57  <indutny>saghul: are you sure that that AIX guy is responsive at all? :)
08:01:09  <saghul>indutny: he was!
08:01:19  <saghul>I just told him to wait abit when I went on vacation
08:01:30  <indutny>aaah
08:01:31  <indutny>right
08:01:37  <indutny>so he's going to support it, right? :)
08:02:57  <saghul>definitely not me :-P
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08:31:05  <txdv_>who the fuck uses aix
08:31:24  <txdv_>hm
08:31:26  <txdv_>it still has releases
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08:42:04  <indutny>saghul: turns out O_NONBLOCK is unconditionally defined on all unixes :(
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08:47:56  <txdv>and why is that bad?
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08:55:02  <saghul>indutny: context? :-)
08:55:04  <MI6>joyent/node: Jonathan Reem master * 7fa4a96 : stream: only end reading on null, not undefined - http://git.io/W4GmLA
08:55:07  <indutny>well
08:55:16  <indutny>I did some hackery in node v0.10 :)
08:55:19  <indutny>with _XOPEN_SOURCE
08:55:24  <indutny>and it broke a lot
08:55:30  <indutny>turns out I didn't even need to do it :)
08:55:36  <saghul>ah, the freesbd build?
08:56:01  <saghul>i was looking at that yesteday, but couldn't figure it out, since libuv standalone built fine
08:56:06  <indutny>yeah
08:56:13  <indutny>you just don't need to define anything :)
08:56:19  <indutny>this _XOPEN_SOURCE thing is so fucked
08:56:21  <indutny>I mean
08:56:23  <indutny>POSIX_SOURCE
08:56:24  <indutny>and the rest
08:56:29  <indutny>there is even __EXTENDED__ define
08:56:48  <indutny>it is a nightmare to figure out, which one is required in order to expose some stuff
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09:01:14  <saghul>fuck man, why would one not want sockaddr_in6 defined?!
09:01:24  <saghul>amonst other things, that is
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09:02:40  <indutny>haha
09:02:48  <indutny>this is just fucked
09:03:13  <indutny>ok, too many F* words on this channel today :P
09:03:18  <indutny>s/too many/enough/
09:04:04  <saghul>xDD
09:04:42  <MI6>joyent/node: Fedor Indutny master * b517500 : repl: fix multi-line input - http://git.io/ebOXxQ
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09:09:04  <indutny>saghul: I have something for you
09:09:12  <indutny>saghul: something that you probably got used fixing :)
09:09:16  <indutny>saghul: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/2096
09:09:29  <indutny>oops
09:09:30  <indutny>https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/2096#issuecomment-41208105
09:10:18  <indutny>ah, nvm
09:10:35  <indutny>saghul: hm, actually
09:10:39  <indutny>I wonder if we could unify it
09:11:09  <indutny>and do EISDIR on every platform
09:11:13  <saghul>maybe it has to do with how we translate errors
09:11:22  <indutny> [EPERM] The named file is a directory and the effective user ID of the process is not the super-user.
09:11:22  <indutny> [EPERM] The directory containing the file is marked sticky, and neither the containing directory nor the file to be removed are owned by the effective user ID.
09:12:03  <indutny>saghul: we don't really translate them
09:12:07  <indutny>well, I guess that's it
09:12:11  <indutny>saghul: the question is
09:12:15  <indutny>do we want them to be consistent
09:12:18  <indutny>or just don't care much about it
09:12:43  <saghul>indutny: actually
09:12:46  <saghul>we do it explicitly
09:12:47  <saghul>https://github.com/joyent/libuv/blob/master/src/win/fs.c#L676
09:12:57  <indutny>on windows
09:13:05  <saghul>according to the comment we do it to be POSIX compliant
09:13:39  <indutny>oh
09:14:05  <indutny>ok
09:14:09  <indutny>thank you
09:14:50  <indutny>so, I guess
09:15:01  <indutny>non-BSDs have different errno for this case
09:15:05  <indutny>this is sad
09:15:16  <saghul>it is
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09:16:38  * indutnyis going to fix some bud stuff
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13:47:34  <dainis>hi, can anyone give some pointers how to debug node core dump with errors which happen in v8? (http://pastebin.com/gyc1LMNB)
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14:46:06  <indutny>dainis: are you running out of memory?
14:46:11  <indutny>saghul: you still here?
14:48:57  <dainis>this another issue, previous one where v8 would crash with out of memory has magically gone away
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14:59:22  <saghul>indutny: ohai
14:59:27  <indutny>so I guess
14:59:33  <indutny>considering that alloc_cb is not going away
14:59:41  <indutny>I could start working on my pipeline thing
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14:59:55  <indutny>dainis: it could sometimes crash in internals
15:00:00  <indutny>dainis: it is very likely to be a v8 bug
15:00:06  <indutny>dainis: what node'js version are you using?
15:00:07  <saghul>I'm still not 100% sure what you want to achieve with it
15:00:09  <saghul>:-)
15:00:13  <indutny>saghul: pipeline?
15:00:19  <saghul>can you give a more practical example
15:00:21  <saghul>indutny: yes
15:00:22  <indutny>saghul: tls pipeline
15:00:28  <indutny>you could inject it
15:00:35  <indutny>and it'll transparently decode/encode data
15:00:39  <indutny>you could inject it two times
15:00:51  <indutny>and the tls connection will embed another tls connection inside it
15:01:00  <indutny>having this in libuv
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15:01:06  <indutny>I'd be able to reuse components of bud
15:01:08  <indutny>in node.js
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15:01:16  <indutny>and make a library that they'll share
15:01:21  <saghul>what limitation do we have with out current api? (assuming we had uv_read already)
15:01:31  <saghul>*our
15:01:56  <dainis>indutny: we are using node 0.10.25
15:02:14  <indutny>saghul: well, we don't limit it naturally
15:02:22  <indutny>and I could do it in an external dependency
15:02:30  <indutny>but it won't be transparent for user
15:02:35  <indutny>and I'll need to wrap all stream APIs
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15:07:03  <saghul>indutny: hum, perhaps you can write what would become the libuv test? that way could see how the API is intended to be used and picture it better in my head :-)
15:07:18  <indutny>haha
15:07:21  <indutny>TDD
15:07:27  <indutny>no way
15:07:47  <indutny>I couId show you some code, though
15:07:58  <indutny>https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/src/stream_wrap.h#L67-L104
15:08:03  <indutny>that's what we do in node right now
15:11:35  <saghul>well, that's just wrapping a strem, right?
15:11:57  <saghul>the reason why I mentioned the test is because it might be very clear what you want to achieve, but not for me
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15:16:04  <indutny>saghul: I just want to wrap methods
15:16:24  <indutny>ah
15:16:25  <indutny>gosh
15:16:36  <indutny>haven't you seen that gist?
15:16:39  <saghul>but you can wrap them outside libuv
15:16:41  <indutny>https://gist.github.com/indutny/98d4d02564094090f888
15:16:47  <saghul>yes, but it's too vague for me to figure out
15:17:08  <indutny>ok, I guess I'll need to implement it outside libuv :)
15:17:15  <indutny>there's not much dependency on it anyway
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15:17:23  <indutny>but it still saddens me!
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15:17:37  <saghul>indutny: maybe once we see it in practice we can bring it in!
15:17:39  <indutny>hahaha
15:17:42  <saghul>don't be sad :-)
15:17:42  <indutny>ok
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