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19:11:29  <ChrisR_>Question about Manta compute jobs. It looks like they are preconfigured to use "http://pkgsrc.joyent.com/packages/SmartOS/2013Q3/i386/All" as the pkgin repository. Is there a way to change that default without having to edit the .conf files manually each time?
19:11:53  <bahamat>ChrisR_: No, there isn't.
19:12:07  <ChrisR_>Bummer, thanks.
19:12:29  <bahamat>ChrisR_: You can just pkg_add packages directly though
19:12:40  <nahamu>but if you need a package that's in a newer pkgsrc tree you should email support about it...
19:12:53  <bahamat>ChrisR_: i.e., pkg_add -U http://pkgsrc.joyent.com/packages/SmartOS/2015Q3/All/nginx
19:13:08  <ChrisR_>Oh, cool, that should work
19:13:09  <nahamu>if you're paying enough money perhaps they ought to create an updated image...
19:13:25  <bahamat>ChrisR_: Be warned though, that may not work well with all packages, so you'll need to test first.
19:13:36  <ChrisR_>k
19:14:00  <nahamu>is this for your chunked uploader or for some later stage in your application?
19:14:11  <nahamu>(did you ever get your chunked uploader stuff working?)
19:14:29  <ChrisR_>Still working on the chunked uploader stuff. Got derailed onto other stuff the past couple days but hope to get back to it
19:15:18  <ChrisR_>This is for some other stuff we want to use Manta computer for. We are transcoding using ffmpeg and the default installed version had some issues that were fixed in newer releases, so I'll see if we can use the 2015Q3 build
19:15:52  <bahamat>ffmpeg should be fine.
19:16:20  <bahamat>For Manta it *probably* won't be an issue, but upgrading smartos between pkgsrc versions isn't supported at all.
19:17:06  <ChrisR_>cool
19:17:15  <bahamat>So if it doesn't happen to work, that's the *expected* behavior.
19:18:01  <bahamat>ChrisR_: You can also package your own ffmpeg and provide it as an asset. That would be the *supported* way to do it.
19:20:44  <ChrisR_>Yeah, that was going to be my fallback (and maybe what I should still be using). I'm just glad to have found there was a newer package so I didn't have to figure out how to build it myself :)
19:24:05  <nahamu>at worst, the middle ground is to assemble your own /opt/local from a recent pkgsrc, turn it into a tarball, use that as an asset, and have a setup phase that moves aside the existing one and extracts your own.
19:24:43  <bahamat>ChrisR_: The most supported way would be to clone pkgsrc at the release-2013Q3 branch, then cherry pick the ffmpeg (and any required libs) commits from release-2015Q3, and build the package. Then use that package as an asset.
19:25:26  <nahamu>https://apidocs.joyent.com/manta/jobs-reference.html#initializing-compute-instances-init-property
19:25:26  <bahamat>That would upgrade cleanly over the 2013Q3 version.
19:27:43  <nahamu>I think at the very least they ought to do a refresh of the Manta image when 2015Q4 comes out...
19:28:11  <nahamu>(which will have the advantages of both being recent and being LTS)
19:31:09  <ChrisR_>Yeah it would be nice if there was a way to always have that latest quarter image available, even if it was something I had to opt-in to via configuration (--image?)
19:32:22  <nahamu>I know there was a way to choose the new image instead of the old when they last refreshed the image...
19:33:12  <nahamu>https://www.joyent.com/blog/new-manta-image
19:33:15  <nahamu>yeah, --image
19:34:16  <ChrisR_>aha
19:35:16  <ChrisR_>is that now the "default"? looks like it uses the same pkgsrc
19:35:35  <nahamu>yes, they updated the default to be the 13.3 one.
19:36:13  <nahamu>so clearly the underpinnings are in place for the next time they want to build a new image
19:36:21  <nahamu>which might wait until customers ask
19:36:41  <nahamu>which is why perhaps you should email support to at least express your interest in something newer than 2013Q3
19:36:49  <ChrisR_>I will, thanks.
19:38:08  <ChrisR_>I'll make sure the new ffmpeg actually fixes my problem, first.
19:42:01  <nahamu>probably a good idea. :)
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20:51:47  <jperkin>there is a 2014Q4-based x86_64 image for manta that should be published, but I don't know if it's all hooked up for --image yet
20:56:25  <nahamu>\o/
20:56:27  <nahamu>nice!
20:57:01  <nahamu>mlogin --image=14.4 -> ERROR: property "phases[0].image": unsupported version: "14.4"
20:57:10  <nahamu>probably not yet.
20:57:23  <dap_>No, unfortunately, there's a bunch of work that hasn't been done to support 64-bit images alongside 32-bit images.
21:16:15  <ChrisR_>Not having much luck using pkg_add. Tried pkgin rm ffmpeg first (which takes forever) too. I'm probably missing some steps, but I'll probably look at doing the tarball approach.
21:16:51  <jperkin>the current image uses an old pkgin which has quite a few inefficiencies when handling lots of packages
21:17:03  <jperkin>pkg_delete <package> will be a lot faster
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23:40:59  <nahamu>I'd build your own /opt/local and make it into a tarball
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