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00:09:27  <jesusabdullah>yo dawgs, anyone in here good with the stat object? I wanna take that mode number and extract the human-readable rwx action
00:09:31  <jesusabdullah>BUT
00:09:34  <jesusabdullah>I'm confused because
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00:09:42  <jesusabdullah>the numbers are bigger than I would expect
00:09:46  <jesusabdullah>am I missing something?
00:09:51  <Sly>O_o;
00:09:53  <Sly>What numbers are you seeing?
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00:10:20  <jesusabdullah>17407
00:10:25  <jesusabdullah>Those kinda numbers
00:10:41  <ericelliott>For deployable applications, does it make sense to use "*" version strings in package.json?
00:10:47  <jesusabdullah>ericelliott: no
00:10:57  <jesusabdullah>ericelliott: it makes sense to peg those down as far as you feel comfortable
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00:11:08  <jesusabdullah>ericelliott: I usually either do, say, 0.1.x or 0.1.2
00:11:18  <jesusabdullah>ericelliott: sometimes you can let the patch version be loosy-goosy
00:11:26  <ericelliott>jesusabdullah: Don't they get "pegged" when you check them into a repo? =)
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00:11:50  <Sly>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11775884/nodejs-file-permissions @ jesusabdullah
00:11:52  <jesusabdullah>ericelliott: if you want to check them in, use bundledDeps
00:12:02  <jesusabdullah>Sly: fantastic
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00:13:07  <jesusabdullah>Sly: still feelin' pretty noob but I think that will point me the right way
00:13:09  <ericelliott>jesusabdullah: That was true in the globally installed modules days, but since then, the recommendation has changed. I was speaking to isaacs about that just the other day.
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00:13:51  <jesusabdullah>ericelliott: there's a lot of disagreement on this one, but for me it's like, how pissed would you be if your app broke because a newer version of your package is broken?
00:14:05  <ericelliott>jesusabdullah: You still should not check in node_modules for reusable library packages, but for deployable applications, it locks down your dependencies, and all of your package dependencies, reduces moving parts during deployment...
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00:14:22  <jesusabdullah>ericelliott: if you check them in you should use bundledDependencies
00:14:26  <jesusabdullah>ericelliott: not dependencies
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00:17:47  <ericelliott>jesusabdullah: bundledDependencies is only used for npm publish, isn't it? Some of the apps I work on are proprietary, and will never be published to npm.
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00:18:52  <ericelliott>Or should it be used regardless?
00:19:37  <Sly>ericelliott: bundledDependencies are dependencies that are published with your application.
00:19:44  <Sly>For instance, if you were to deploy it to Nodejitsu..
00:20:07  <Sly>It should upload the dependencies you already have installed..
00:20:20  <ericelliott>Sly, jesusabdullah: Thanks for the clarification.
00:20:50  <ericelliott>Is there a good written guide on package.json dependency best practices somewhere?
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00:21:12  <Sly>Go to http://npmjs.org and scroll to the bottom where it has "Documentation".
00:21:30  <Sly>Then click on "json" in the right hand side.
00:21:44  <Sly>And follow that link to the JSON page.
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00:22:06  <Sly>That's the documentation for everything allowed in it.
00:22:21  <Sly>https://npmjs.org/doc/json.html
00:22:32  <ericelliott>Sly: Yeah, but it's more of an API guide than a best-practices guide, isn't it?
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00:23:22  <Sly>There really isn't a "best practice", other than using semver versions.
00:23:40  <Sly>http://semver.org
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00:27:39  <ericelliott>Well, there certainly is some knowledge that the community has gained using npm that isn't clearly documented there. =)
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00:28:18  <ericelliott>for instance, the proper use of bundledDependencies - I thought it only applied to npm publish
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00:28:46  <TehShrike>I was so pleased when I saw that there was an actual standard for version numbers
00:29:12  <ericelliott>TehShrike: Yeah, that's cool. =)
00:29:35  <warz>2.35b2RC9-jibbity-unicorn-PRIVATE
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00:30:08  <TehShrike>"In fact, you probably do something close to this already. The problem is that 'close' isn't good enough." - so true
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00:35:42  <Hotroot>Wow, I just saw IE trainwrech
00:35:44  <Hotroot>*wreck
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00:36:26  <Hotroot>Went to show my dad the page I'm working on. The display: none; element shows up right away, socket.io.js is grabbed, and then it just breaks and the websocket doesn't connect
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00:44:34  <jesusabdullah>Sly: So these numbers are of the form 041777, and I know what the last 3 mean but what about the 4 and 1?
00:44:53  <Sly>4 = directory
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00:44:55  <Sly>I forgot what the 1 is
00:45:01  <Sly>It's whatever 't' is.
00:45:24  <jesusabdullah>so if it's not a dir it would be something else I guess?
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00:46:51  <jesusabdullah>interesting
00:47:04  * jesusabdullahwill just ignore those
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01:36:24  <nrw>is there a functional SOCKS5 client for node? i found these two: https://github.com/vially/node-socksified https://github.com/substack/node-prox. They're both unmaintained and (as far as i can tell) non-functional.
01:36:48  <nrw>I just want to send http requests through a SOCKS5 proxy.
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01:39:26  <ericelliott>Sly, jesusabdullah: When I tried moving my dependencies into bundledDependencies, npm spat at me: npm ERR! TypeError: Object #<Object> has no method 'indexOf'
01:40:17  <Sly>You don't use an object for bundledDependencies.
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01:40:28  <Sly>Just use an array with the name. It doesn't care what version it is if it's bundled.
01:40:48  <Sly>I.E., bundledDependencies: [ "flatiron", "union" ]
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01:41:31  <ericelliott>d'oh. =)
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01:44:40  <ericelliott>Thanks Sly
01:44:50  <ericelliott>that makes perfect sense
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01:50:14  <konobi>nrw: tsocks
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01:52:34  <nrw>konobi: would I just use tsocks with child_process.spawn or is there a better way?
01:53:01  <nrw>konobi: i want to make requests from a nodejs program
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01:57:59  <konobi>nrw: you just run your app using tsocks
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01:58:26  <konobi>Nexxy: any idea if this could be hackable enough... http://dx.com/p/iphone-ipad-control-wi-fi-spy-tank-w-300kp-camera-night-vision-microphone-black-6-x-aa-167301 ?
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01:59:46  <nrw>konobi: reading the tsocks docs. i follow. thanks.
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02:06:27  <Lorentz>knwhy wouldn't it be hackable
02:06:35  <Lorentz>konobi: why wouldn't it be hackable
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02:13:11  <dnz->WOUODNT IT BE HACKABLE
02:13:12  <dnz->BRO
02:13:18  <dnz->probably
02:13:21  <dnz->prob
02:13:21  <dnz->ab
02:13:22  <dnz->ly
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02:14:51  <warz>preach it
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02:24:31  <ruff>http://imgur.com/r/funny/Swtc9
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02:46:00  <ericelliott>Does it make sense to use both bundledDependencies and devDependencies?
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02:46:37  <Sly>ericelliott: there are a difference in the two, so yes. It makes sense. What you're putting in them, on the other hand.. lol.
02:46:52  <ericelliott>lol? =)
02:47:16  <Sly>devDependencies are optional dependencies that usually aren't installed, unless the person wants to do testing.
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02:47:52  <ericelliott>I'm putting everything I require() into bundledDependencies. I'm putting build tools like grunt, qunit, etc in devDependencies
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02:48:26  <Sly>Not sure what grunt is, but qunit sounds like a testing suite. Sounds like you have the right idea.
02:48:39  <Sly>You don't have to put *everything* in bundled dependencies though.
02:48:48  <Sly>It'll make your package file *huge*.
02:49:15  <ericelliott>this is a deployable app.. I don't want it installing anything at deploy time.
02:49:19  <Sly>Like, if you publish it to NPM.. Everything you have in bundledDependencies gets packaged up with it.
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02:49:33  <ericelliott>this isn't going to NPM
02:49:49  <Sly>Where are you deploying to, if you don't mind me asking?
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02:51:33  <ericelliott>doesn't really matter, but Heroku for dev, then Amazon for staging / qa / prod
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02:52:18  <Sly>Was just wondering, because Nodejitsu has been known to timeout with default settings if you have a lot of bundledDependencies.
02:52:48  <ericelliott>that's awkward for them. =)
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02:53:23  <Sly>It's usually avoidable with a configuration change.
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02:53:33  <ericelliott>Good.
02:53:33  <piklu>Hi Guys
02:53:40  <piklu>how are you all ?
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02:54:16  <ericelliott>good
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02:54:21  <piklu>I am running a webserver and I want to make it a private app development environment, can I know what exactly I can install to make it a online environment like cloud9, do u have some stack for that ??
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02:57:51  <syskk>is there any library to convert GPS coordinates to timezone offset?
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02:58:19  <piklu>No one here???
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02:58:23  <dnz->no one
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02:58:36  <piklu>great no one seriously ??
02:58:37  <piklu>lol
02:58:40  <jrajav>I'm certainly not
02:58:46  <piklu>I thought someone will have something that can do it
02:58:51  <ruff>ni hao ma
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02:59:01  <piklu>I ll love to share the development server with you guys too :)
02:59:03  <dnz->u are
02:59:14  <dnz->yeah sure hit me up a shell account
02:59:22  <piklu>dnz, why not :)
02:59:23  <dnz->just add me to sudoers
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02:59:33  <dnz->yeah pm me the log in info
02:59:34  <dnz->thanks
02:59:37  <ericelliott>piklu: I already use c9...
02:59:56  <piklu>ericelliott : I am a little irritated by them
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03:00:16  <konobi>Nexxy: ping
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03:01:24  <mscdex>node.js rules!
03:01:38  <dnz->piklu: u hitting me up that shell account bro ?
03:01:53  <dnz->i really needone to get community going on my code
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03:02:48  <piklu>I can seriously host you if u stop kicking my ass
03:03:02  <dnz->thanks bro
03:03:06  <dnz->that would be super
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03:03:34  <piklu>dnz: show me a app u are developing ?
03:03:40  <piklu>please
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03:04:03  <piklu>Also - can anyone suggest me some advance stuff / book / articles that are very concise on Node.Js Dev
03:04:41  <dnz->https://github.com/deoxxa/this-is-shit
03:04:58  <dnz->https://github.com/deoxxa/this-is-shit-chrome
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03:05:05  <dnz->you can see i have pushed to those repos
03:05:08  <dnz->like a bawss
03:05:44  <MI6>joyent/libuv: Ben Noordhuis master * 190db15 : unix: set proper loop errno for udp write req cb Harmonize with stream.c - http://git.io/Hq2-qg
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03:10:53  <piklu>dnz: Yeah.
03:11:01  <piklu>dnz: Such a nice dev u are :)
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03:11:21  <dnz->kekek
03:11:26  <dnz->i got mad at work one day
03:11:39  <dnz->came up with 'downvote only turd toolbar button'
03:11:43  <piklu>so u made this ?
03:11:48  <dnz->me and deoxxa dev'd in prob an hour
03:11:51  <dnz->maybe 2
03:11:57  <dnz->me + deoxxa
03:12:01  <piklu>your site doesnt works though
03:12:02  <dnz->www.thisisshit.info
03:12:06  <dnz->tell deoxxa
03:12:07  <dnz->its his box
03:12:22  <dnz->but
03:12:27  <dnz->its down because it leaks urls in plain text
03:12:31  <dnz->;p
03:12:37  <piklu>Okay
03:12:48  <piklu>I am a kind of serious guy
03:13:11  <dnz->what does that mean ?
03:14:28  <piklu>It only means that I felt it offensive on first
03:14:38  <TadekMocarzzzz>i hate php co,mpany niggers, why they made something that shi,tty like Bi,tch PHP nig,ger
03:14:40  <TadekMocarzzzz>why php company cant be holocausted just like the jews?
03:14:43  <TadekMocarzzzz>that would be great for world, just like holocaust of jews was
03:14:44  <piklu>but later in I felt its okay :) sometimes dev goes ----- CRAZY
03:15:00  <dnz->wat TadekMocarzzzz
03:15:04  <TadekMocarzzzz>yes
03:15:06  <TadekMocarzzzz>what i said
03:15:19  <piklu>That relates to coding?
03:15:22  <TadekMocarzzzz>what is difference between php com.pany and barrel of shit
03:15:24  <TadekMocarzzzz>its the barrel
03:15:34  <AAA_awright>You keep misplacing your periods and commas
03:15:39  <dnz->yeah i write php for a living mate
03:15:42  <dnz->not node
03:15:42  <TadekMocarzzzz>who made php ?
03:15:52  <dnz->because i get paid sweet money
03:16:00  <TadekMocarzzzz>money for php ?
03:16:04  <TadekMocarzzzz>real money is for real programming
03:16:10  <dnz->=\
03:16:11  <TadekMocarzzzz>not php scripts
03:16:17  <dnz->'sripts'
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03:16:27  <dnz->what about node scripts
03:16:30  <dnz->is that real money ?
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03:16:38  <TadekMocarzzzz>javascript is shit like php
03:16:50  <dnz->do u write ruby programming bro ?
03:16:53  <dnz->make rails n shit
03:16:55  <TadekMocarzzzz>no
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03:17:01  <dnz->do u write python bro
03:17:04  <dnz->make django n shit
03:17:06  <TadekMocarzzzz>no
03:17:14  <dnz->do u write lua bro, make macros n shit bro
03:17:14  <TadekMocarzzzz>hate them
03:17:20  <TadekMocarzzzz>no
03:17:29  <TadekMocarzzzz>hate
03:17:29  <dnz->do u write perl bro, make scripts n shit bro ?
03:17:40  <TadekMocarzzzz>no, scripts are for kids
03:17:42  <dnz->do you write tcl, make eggdrop scripts n that bro ?
03:17:46  <TadekMocarzzzz>no
03:17:59  <dnz->do you write c# bro, make windows guis n that bro ?
03:18:08  <TadekMocarzzzz>c# is java-styled shit
03:18:13  <TadekMocarzzzz>so no
03:18:17  <dnz->do you write java and write mobile apps n that bro ?
03:18:22  <TadekMocarzzzz>no
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03:18:37  <dnz->do you write vb and make excel macros n that bro ?
03:18:41  <TadekMocarzzzz>no
03:18:55  <dnz->do you write sql and make msql dbs with access n that bro ?
03:19:00  <TadekMocarzzzz>no
03:19:10  <dnz->well there are no other programming languages
03:19:12  <dnz->so you are a liar
03:19:15  <TadekMocarzzzz>oh really?
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03:19:19  <dnz->yes really
03:19:20  <TadekMocarzzzz>i cant velieve
03:19:24  <dnz->i have named all the programming languages
03:19:33  <TadekMocarzzzz>i cant believe what you named and u call that 'programming'
03:19:39  <dnz->yes, they are real programming
03:19:42  <TadekMocarzzzz>ever hear about C and C++ ?
03:19:49  <dnz->you mean C# ?
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03:19:52  <TadekMocarzzzz>no
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03:19:59  <TadekMocarzzzz>i mean C and C++
03:20:05  <dnz->do you mean like
03:20:12  <dnz->ansi C99 and gcc mingw32 ?/
03:20:17  <TadekMocarzzzz>yes
03:20:22  <dnz->LOL
03:20:25  <TadekMocarzzzz>thats for killers, not kids
03:20:27  <dnz->do u like clang bro ?
03:20:38  <TadekMocarzzzz>whats that
03:20:44  <dnz->ROFL
03:20:47  <dnz->stfu noob
03:20:57  <dnz->keep using gets()
03:21:00  <dnz->and write you pro c
03:21:24  <TadekMocarzzzz>i checked clang
03:21:26  <TadekMocarzzzz>its for Lunix
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03:21:31  <dnz->..........
03:21:32  <AAA_awright>LAWL
03:21:35  <TadekMocarzzzz>i dont use this garbage
03:21:37  <dnz->woah
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03:21:41  <dnz->LOL
03:21:47  <TadekMocarzzzz>Linax
03:21:53  <TadekMocarzzzz>or something, whatever you call that
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03:22:01  <piklu>a C programmer having time enough to say such offensive words online on IRC ???
03:22:11  <tklun>this is pretty awesome
03:22:14  <TadekMocarzzzz>yes, its fault of php company
03:22:19  <Hotroot>I really hope that you guys know he's trolling =/
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03:22:32  <Hotroot>Likely from behind a proxy, most Chinese aren't named John Black
03:22:35  <TadekMocarzzzz>they made such garbagge, whats irony they made it in C
03:22:56  <piklu>zzzz ??? lol
03:22:58  <dnz->TadekMocarzzzz: what do you know about format strings bro
03:22:59  <TadekMocarzzzz>they banned my ip totally faking beaches
03:23:12  <dnz->tell me about what happens when you dont check your buffer lengths
03:23:23  <TadekMocarzzzz>u get the buffer overflow men
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03:23:41  <dnz->what a poorly informed man
03:23:49  <Hotroot>He's trolling..
03:23:49  <piklu>konobi : that wasnt needed :) it was fun
03:24:02  <AAA_awright>Nah, kick was warranted
03:24:03  <konobi>piklu: not his earlier comments
03:24:05  <Hotroot>I feel bad for him, a Chinese proxy? Most are slow as shit
03:24:07  <AAA_awright>But you could have made it more awesome
03:24:14  <dnz->hehehe
03:24:25  <dnz->but i named every language!
03:24:37  <piklu>he ll come back, he is chinese:) he is bound to
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03:25:19  <dnz->piklu: id proabbly not give shells to randoms on irc btw
03:25:27  <dnz->unless you feel like getting owned
03:25:37  <Hotroot>dnz-: Do you honestly own masturb8.in ? lol
03:25:41  <dnz->yep
03:25:46  <piklu>dnz : Dnt worry :) You ll be virtualized in a KVM :)
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03:25:51  <dnz->i have a bunch of crazy domains i use for ptrs
03:26:05  <dnz->piklu: i can probably bust it
03:26:11  <dnz->i dont really want one ;p
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03:26:21  <piklu>you can bust through KVM to the root server ??
03:26:22  <dnz->i was going to fuck with you
03:26:29  <dnz->piklu: dpeends
03:26:34  <dnz->but maybe
03:26:38  <piklu>ahha, HIRED at LINUX
03:26:57  <piklu>either u dnt know what KVM is, or you are really a expert on assembly or something
03:27:08  <konobi>you can break out of kvm
03:27:10  <dnz->kkekeke
03:27:22  <piklu>I recently was trying to buy gamingg.com, somebody took it now
03:27:28  <dnz->if you have the resources you dont need to code anything
03:27:31  <piklu>was it good enough ?
03:27:34  <dnz->skiddies can do it even
03:27:45  <konobi>depending on the kvm/qemu versions
03:27:50  <dnz->remmeber when people said like
03:27:53  <piklu>dnz : its not coding that attracts programmers
03:27:55  <dnz->'you cant break achroot'
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03:28:04  <dnz->now expand on that to vm's
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03:28:09  <piklu>konobi : Give me something to read on that
03:28:17  <konobi>piklu: google
03:28:55  <dnz->www.ruxcon.org.au we've had talks on busting virtualisation
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03:29:11  <dnz->im one of organsers etc for ruxcon
03:29:13  <konobi>kvm-forum from a few years ago
03:29:16  <piklu>yeah, something on defcon is there
03:29:19  <piklu>how about XEN >?
03:29:20  <chewed-on>Hey guys, does a class variable persist ?
03:29:22  <dnz->lol defcon
03:29:22  <dnz->:(
03:29:28  <dnz->defcon was a pretty big dissapointment
03:29:32  <dnz->i skipped it this year
03:29:54  <piklu>do u guys know a good alternative for milw0rm ?
03:29:55  <chewed-on>I mean like if I have a class called MyClass and I do module.exports.connect = connect;
03:30:02  <konobi>piklu: xen is breakable, fairly easily, iirc
03:30:05  <dnz->piklu: exploit-db
03:30:07  <dnz->if you want shit
03:30:18  <chewed-on>inside MyClass constructor, I have this.stream = null; (stream is a socket stream variable, I need it to persist)
03:30:21  <dnz->konobi: there were some weird interrupts that wernt handled correctly a few yearss ago
03:30:28  <piklu>konobi : if I give u a linode shell can u break out ?>"
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03:31:05  <konobi>piklu: no idea... i'm assuming they have up to date versions
03:31:12  <dnz->piklu: generally its not about IF its about when
03:31:25  <dnz->if you need to do real work to acheive it, it might take you a long time
03:31:25  <konobi>yup
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03:31:58  <piklu>dnz : If u have a 0day :) no problems
03:32:04  <dnz->haha sure
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03:32:08  <piklu>otherwise keep looking for opportunity
03:32:15  <dnz->but these days 0days like that go for alot of money
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03:32:27  <dnz->so likely hood of getting on like that is pretty low
03:32:32  <dnz->*one
03:32:39  <piklu>they always have been pricey, and why not, its the most big thing
03:32:41  <piklu>And I really saw Lulzsec doing it all.
03:32:44  <dnz->blackhat skrilla
03:32:49  <dnz->WOW
03:32:50  <dnz->NO
03:32:55  <dnz->lulzsec was lame as shit
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03:33:11  <piklu>why? they possibly did whatever was quite challenging
03:33:19  <dnz->....
03:33:24  <dnz->no they didnt
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03:33:30  <dnz->they used things like sqlmap
03:33:35  <dnz->and password reuse
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03:33:47  <dnz->what about zf0 ?
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03:34:08  <dnz->and the rest of the zines from the last 25 years
03:34:19  <dnz->thre was way better stuff in any of those than the entirety of lulzsec
03:34:28  <piklu>dnz : no one is sure of what they used
03:34:40  <dnz->there has been reports from things like hbgary
03:34:43  <dnz->and sony
03:34:50  <dnz->it was majorily web shit
03:35:15  <dnz->google tells all
03:35:26  <piklu>Google rumours too :)
03:35:34  <dnz->i should point out that web stuff is still good
03:35:42  <dnz->but way way easier and less impressive than memory corruptions
03:35:46  <piklu>do u think people have not tried SQLMAP for possible vulnerability testing?
03:35:54  <piklu>They have targeted real stuff
03:36:14  <dnz->yeah but its easy to sit infront of burp/sqlmap etc
03:36:17  <dnz->and find vulns
03:36:20  <dnz->in heaps of stuff
03:36:20  <piklu>You can take over server with memory corruption
03:36:34  <piklu>and that is ultimated
03:36:40  <piklu>that is ultimate
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03:36:42  <dnz->yeah but its more likely they just used a pretty standard priv esc
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03:37:05  <dnz->you pop a php shell and escalate, nc -e /bin/bash -l -p 1337 done
03:37:23  <piklu>Think, u are a really really secure organisation having dedicated security experts.
03:37:26  <dnz->its not that impressive =\
03:37:34  <dnz->hbgary were a joke
03:37:45  <dnz->i know alot of security experts
03:37:53  <dnz->theres only a handful i would call experts
03:37:56  <piklu>I know few too
03:38:02  <dnz->but alot of people have it on their business cards.
03:38:05  <piklu>and I know the kind of targets they had, have the best
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03:38:22  <dnz->err
03:38:22  * spionquit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
03:38:40  <dnz->one of my bros is a pentester /code audit for a large bank
03:38:45  <dnz->and he finds shit regularly
03:38:51  <piklu>what about Anonms
03:38:53  <piklu>??
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03:38:57  <dnz->what abuot
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03:39:10  <piklu>do u think they arent good ?
03:39:12  <dnz->mistakes are made in code, its sort of unavoidable with large codebases
03:39:30  <dnz->and large dev teams
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03:39:45  <dnz->anon is a joke
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03:40:01  <dnz->there are some very skilled people in the overall clusterfuck called anon
03:40:05  <dnz->thats true
03:40:21  <dnz->but overall theres some very vocal skids who couldnt hack their way out of a paper bag with an axe
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03:43:37  <mbalho>my cousins best friends girlfriends dads uncle wrote the worlds best virus
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03:43:49  <dnz->amazing
03:43:58  <dnz->was it called me.jpg.exe.vbs ?
03:44:07  <mbalho>ya youve obviously heard of it
03:44:12  <SomeoneWeird>lol dnz-
03:44:14  <mbalho>it is like stuxnet but does more big data
03:44:21  <SomeoneWeird>oh i'm sure
03:44:24  <dnz->stixnet ?
03:44:29  <dnz->never heard of it
03:44:34  <piklu>skynet ?
03:44:38  <dnz->oh skynet
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03:44:40  <dnz->i knwo taht one
03:44:47  <dnz->cool virux
03:44:57  <SomeoneWeird>mee 2
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03:45:04  <dnz->can someone explain to me
03:45:13  <dnz->how nodejs is async and non blocking on a single thread ?
03:45:19  <dnz->cos my cpu blocks
03:45:22  <dnz->so im not sure here
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03:45:29  <mbalho>yea go read this and come back http://nikhilm.github.com/uvbook/
03:45:33  <piklu>your code must be blocking
03:45:36  <dnz->haha
03:45:43  <dnz->nah im just playing :(
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03:46:18  <dnz->im honestly bored as fuck, spose to be doing blind people internet
03:46:25  <dnz->so much effort
03:46:32  <mbalho>being blind is a lot of effort
03:46:33  <dnz->get eyes lsoers
03:46:41  <dnz->yeah
03:46:49  <dnz->but why do they need to use computers if they are blind
03:46:57  <dnz->should get their grandma to do it for them
03:47:00  <dnz->on dialup
03:47:02  <dnz->over the phone
03:47:06  <ricardobeat>please stop, I'm getting retarded
03:47:16  <dnz->successkid.jpg
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03:47:35  <mbalho> /join #angstyteenagenodejs
03:47:45  <dnz->nope
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03:48:29  <dnz->&then?
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03:49:21  <piklu>dnz : kick - lol
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03:49:45  <dnz->neg plz
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03:54:57  <dnz->what else?
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04:12:57  <piklu>yippiee !!
04:13:00  <piklu>I am bored
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04:13:11  <piklu>dnz-: what do u have ?
04:13:22  <dnz->wot
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04:13:24  <dnz->have what
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04:13:40  <dnz->piklu:
04:13:50  <piklu>dnz-: some fun
04:13:52  <piklu>any game
04:13:57  <piklu>or something to make me happy
04:13:58  <piklu>:)
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04:14:06  <dnz->wat
04:14:06  <b-ot>BTW there's a QtSql tutorial here that covers opening a db and using QSqlTableModel, etc. If js's decided you aren't worth shit.
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04:14:10  <dnz->that sounds wrong + creepy
04:14:25  <dnz->bro im at work
04:14:27  <dnz->working
04:14:46  <piklu>Okay
04:14:55  <dnz->that means
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04:14:59  <dnz->i cant play games
04:15:07  <dnz->but i can talk shit on mirc
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04:16:10  <dnz->piklu: what else
04:16:20  <piklu>Dunnoo
04:16:24  <piklu>I am confused these days
04:16:29  <dnz->u old bro?
04:16:29  <piklu>I work for Business Intelligence
04:16:35  <dnz->what is that?
04:16:39  <dnz->its a um
04:16:41  <piklu>and I feel bored in these corporate jobs
04:16:41  <dnz->thing
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04:16:54  <dnz->yeah, i only work at small businesses
04:17:01  <dnz->for the last i dont know how long years
04:17:02  <piklu>Well, we gather lot of data, make data warehouse and provide reporting for CEOs
04:17:08  <dnz->gay
04:17:14  <piklu>but am bored out of it
04:17:38  <dnz->i was doing fun shit before with embedded linux routers etc
04:17:41  <dnz->got bored
04:17:44  <piklu>I am into datawarehousing, but I love programming.
04:17:48  <dnz->mining trucks, gps all kinds of weird shit
04:17:51  <piklu>I am bored too
04:17:54  <warz>ok so, its pretty common to want to return callback(err) if there's an error, right? where's the module for that to "just happen"? :D
04:17:55  <dnz->now i just make internet websites
04:17:58  <piklu>Now i dnt know what shall i do.
04:18:07  <dnz->become a prostitute
04:18:11  <dnz->switch it up
04:18:16  <dnz->same sort of money
04:18:23  <piklu>I dnt like that profession
04:18:29  <dnz->why not ?
04:18:43  <piklu>i jst dnt
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04:18:48  <piklu>there isnt a why in that
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04:19:29  <niggler>piklu you looking for a profession or something to do right now?
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04:20:09  <piklu>niggler : I am looking for both, I really am fed up of substandard work ethics and work itsself at big corporate houses
04:20:32  <RLa>if you know that stuff why not become independent consultant
04:20:37  <niggler>problem is that you are looking for a profession in programming
04:21:04  <dnz->haha
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04:21:22  <dnz->coporate land is just sucking dicks
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04:21:24  <piklu>niggler : I am looking for any profession, I am love computers, I worked with C, C#, Assembly, ASP.net and many things.
04:21:25  <dnz->its where fun goes to die
04:21:51  <niggler>start a business
04:21:56  <niggler>kick some ass
04:22:10  <niggler>find something that bothers you, fix it, and start selling
04:22:11  <tjmehta>hello
04:22:15  <RLa>or start a startup :)
04:22:17  <tjmehta>anyone use node with mongo here?
04:22:20  <piklu>I just want something that I can stand on my own, Morals die at these corporates, I have to push broken things and support them, They are slow, I cant live with that speed.
04:22:22  <tjmehta>mongo native
04:22:27  <niggler>no screw startups
04:22:44  <piklu>niggler: Give me a example, also tell me what u do
04:22:47  <RLa>piklu, that's just "enterprise" stuff
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04:23:11  <RLa>most of us worked in big corps have felt exactly same
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04:23:41  <niggler>my project / reason to learn javascript
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04:23:50  <niggler>is to build a better spreadsheet
04:24:02  <piklu>Trust me, its weird, I feel I did not learn everyday...... !! I feel, I waste 8 hours of my life, Though now I love that salary, but its i think kinda safehouse. I mean, I loose my real personality
04:24:07  <RLa>also, places whose main business is not IT seem to be better too
04:24:23  <piklu>niggler : better than google docs?
04:24:34  <dnz->lol startups
04:24:35  <dnz->man
04:24:47  <dnz->the amount of people who have wanted me 'to get in early as a director' etc
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04:24:53  <dnz->'write code now get paid later'
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04:25:08  <dnz->if i had one dollar for every time i had that story
04:25:10  <piklu>RLa : I work with the top firm that hires people around world, We are like huge, so main business isnt IT, but even its bad, you always keep to listen people that dnt know a shit abt servers
04:25:28  <niggler>:A1=1;A2=A1+1;A1=2;getallcells()
04:25:29  <jello12244>[niggler] >> A1=1;A2=A1+1;A1=2;getallcells()
04:25:29  <jello12244>[niggler] A1 5 A1=5
04:25:29  <jello12244>[niggler] A2 5 A2=A1
04:25:29  <jello12244>[niggler] $$$$$$
04:25:57  <piklu>:google
04:25:57  <jello12244>[piklu] >> google
04:25:57  <jello12244>[piklu] undefined
04:26:07  <niggler>damnit piklu
04:26:07  <piklu>:hello
04:26:08  <jello12244>[piklu] >> hello
04:26:08  <jello12244>[piklu] undefined
04:26:12  <piklu>lol
04:26:14  <niggler>ill open up the web port one sec
04:26:33  <piklu>YEAH, I would love to google and let the results come here.
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04:26:41  <warz>:rm-rf*
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04:26:54  <warz>damn
04:27:09  <piklu>will not run
04:27:11  <piklu>lol
04:27:16  <piklu>:rm -rf *
04:27:16  <jello12255>[piklu] >> rm -rf *
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04:27:20  <piklu>this she be that
04:27:21  <warz>boomed
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04:27:31  <warz>rm'ed everything
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04:27:38  <warz>dont even try connecting again
04:27:39  <dnz->:nc -vv google.com 80
04:27:39  <warz>biotch
04:27:39  <jello27097>[dnz-] >> nc -vv google.com 80
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04:27:40  <piklu>:runlevel `
04:27:41  <piklu>:runlevel 1
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04:27:57  <warz>man that bot suckls
04:28:01  <warz>get on a higher level
04:28:18  <dnz->:curl http://drkns.net
04:28:18  <jello27101>[dnz-] >> curl http://drkns.net
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04:28:26  <dnz->so afail
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04:28:44  <warz>failed bot 101 go back to high school do not pass go
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04:29:12  <RLa>it does not seem to die easily
04:29:24  <RLa>:sudo halt
04:29:25  <jello27221>[RLa] >> sudo halt
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04:29:48  <niggler>having some firewall issues
04:29:53  <RLa>oh
04:29:55  <niggler>there's actually a website that hooks into this
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04:30:35  <dnz->:curl http://kano.drkns.net
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04:30:54  <warz>niggler has anybody ever questioned your name?
04:30:59  <piklu>niggler : worked the google?
04:31:02  <dnz->hah url loggers
04:31:11  <konobi>what is this jello thing?
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04:31:16  <dnz->nubbot
04:31:28  <konobi>plz remove
04:31:39  <dnz->hahah
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04:32:02  <piklu>I would like a BOT that can try to talk with logics in a IRC room
04:32:07  <piklu>and people can be fooled.
04:32:16  <niggler>ok here's the test
04:32:17  <piklu>It shd talk like a normal person around the topics.
04:32:20  <dnz->theres only a billion markov chain bots
04:32:23  <niggler>http://clindevice.com:7262/test/spreadsheet.html
04:32:25  <piklu>:google something
04:32:25  <jello27304>[piklu] >> google something
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04:32:36  <niggler>oh come on
04:32:40  * konobibooted jello27315 (jello27315)
04:32:40  <dnz->ahhah
04:32:43  <dnz->you suck son
04:32:51  <dnz->FAIL CODE
04:32:56  <warz>that bot just failed the ultimate test
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04:33:10  <dnz->ban mask checking + evade ?
04:33:11  <dnz->yeah
04:33:16  <warz>test being: owner not knowing to test in a private channel
04:33:21  <warz>PEBCAC
04:33:23  <warz>or whatever
04:33:26  <piklu>I cant edit it.
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04:33:40  <piklu>someone kicked the bot ??
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04:33:55  <dnz->BANNED IT
04:33:56  <niggler>nah its still there you have the page running piklu?
04:33:57  <dnz->its banned.
04:33:59  <konobi>you can easily create channels to test bots in... test them to your hearts content
04:34:09  <niggler>:A1=20
04:34:16  <piklu>yes
04:34:21  <dnz->niggler: im not sure if you noticed
04:34:21  <niggler>hmm why didn't it receive an error?
04:34:22  <niggler>o
04:34:25  <dnz->but its banned.
04:34:26  <piklu>its runnning
04:34:27  <ricardobeat>:process.exit()
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04:34:37  <niggler>dnz- why didn't it receive something
04:34:42  <warz>xibit did not put excel in our irc
04:34:47  <dnz->because you suck at coding
04:34:52  <dnz->SUCK
04:35:04  <dnz->like space
04:35:07  <warz>LOL@U
04:35:07  <dnz->a vacuum
04:35:08  <niggler>the node irc client should have received a disconnect right?
04:35:09  <dnz->hoover
04:35:20  <dnz->its not a disconnect
04:35:25  <piklu>definitely it did
04:35:31  <piklu>but a kick
04:35:36  <piklu>not disconnect
04:35:43  <dnz->you aslo SUCK at IRC
04:35:43  <piklu>it ll have some mg
04:35:53  <dnz->you might wanna go read some RFC's fro mthe 70s now
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04:36:16  <warz>oh snap you just got some RFC knowledge dropped on ur face
04:36:32  <niggler>oh it wasn't kicked off freenode
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04:37:09  <dnz->DER
04:37:11  <dnz->wow
04:37:34  <warz>i remember my first day on irc
04:37:47  <niggler>yeah :/ my irc fu sucks
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04:38:10  <dnz->warz: really?
04:38:17  <warz>nope
04:38:20  <dnz->hahaha
04:38:23  <konobi>it was a tuesday...
04:38:24  <piklu>niggler: make a bot that can talk here and keep discussing about node.js
04:38:25  <dnz->werd
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04:38:31  <piklu>it ll be great for revenge
04:38:32  <piklu>:)
04:38:34  <dnz->i remember how i found irc
04:38:39  <warz>one fateful tuesday in 1998
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04:38:41  <niggler>ok i moved it to #jello -- need some people to help test
04:38:43  <dnz->and first channel / server
04:38:44  <warz>i discovered this thing
04:38:47  <dnz->haha
04:38:47  <warz>called irc
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04:38:58  <dnz->yeha it ruined my life
04:39:05  <dnz->now im a pissed off hax0r cunt
04:39:09  <dnz->:<
04:39:20  <dnz->actually, its awesome
04:39:21  <dnz->but anyway
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04:40:05  <warz>anybody ever driven to a node meetup to meet a chick? that seems like a win-wn.
04:40:38  <piklu>ahhha
04:40:40  <piklu>chicks???
04:40:43  <piklu>on node meetup?
04:40:50  <warz>chickens
04:41:15  <piklu>soup or noodle ?
04:41:26  <warz>im just brainstorming here.
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04:52:59  <niggler>anyone familiar with node-redis?
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04:55:11  <niggler>i just found something strange where node-redis was returning 'undefined' instead of 'null'
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04:59:01  <chewed-on>Guys, I got a file.pem in a sub folder called "resources" and I have a module that needs to load this file, the module file is in lib/my_module.js. I am executing the node server using node server.js in the root directory. How can I get my module file to correctly reference my file.pem file regardless of location ?
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05:00:54  <chewed-on>ok nevermind
05:00:58  <chewed-on>I think I got it
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05:28:25  <Ax_SeS>Does anyone know how I could send a case-insensitive query to mongodb ?
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05:53:30  <mbalho>isaacs: peep this talk on real time rails junk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axva-w-m9qg&list=PLE7tQUdRKcyb2J9YQH65NIEcVpmK6Rgct&index=16
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05:55:39  <Ax_SeS>Yo guys... How do I use htmlparser with a URL?
05:55:48  <Ax_SeS>I want to read news headlines.
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05:56:08  <mbalho>http://maxogden.com/scraping-with-node.html
05:56:36  <Ax_SeS>Thanks You mbal
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05:58:15  <Ax_SeS>I will try using request ;)
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06:07:14  <chewed-on>I got a "class" called PNS and I am trying to listen for an even "pns_connected"
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06:16:01  <Guest77651>hi guys
06:16:12  <Guest77651>i know the basics a bit but im stuck and want to write a function which eventually logs every thing the application is doing in the log is that possible ?
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06:16:53  <deoxxa>good news Guest77651, that already exists
06:17:08  <deoxxa>console.log() and console.warn() are your friends
06:18:13  <Guest77651>deoxxa: thanks but do i have to have these every where in every function or can i have that at one place and it just log
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06:20:56  <khurram>so?
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06:48:10  <deoxxa>khurram: i'm not sure how you expect that to work
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06:50:38  <Nuck>I've been trying to think about Service-based design philosophy recently
06:50:48  <khurram>i found that is actually express.logger() passed to the app = createServer( express.logger()) that logs every thing
06:50:49  <Nuck>Where things like login, etc. are services
06:51:06  <Nuck>And I've been trying to think of how the hell to do these things in Node.js
06:51:07  <khurram>deoxxa: i found that is actually express.logger() passed to the app = createServer( express.logger()) that logs every thing
06:51:11  <Nuck>Any ideas?
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06:51:20  <khurram>Nuck: such like ?
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06:51:32  <chapel>Nuck: as in a separate server?
06:51:38  <Nuck>Basically, yeah
06:51:53  <Nuck>Where login is one server, and then viewing items is another, posting is another, comments on articles might be another
06:51:55  <Nuck>And so on
06:51:59  <Nuck>And they all intertwine
06:52:01  <chapel>well it wouldn't be terribly hard with a solid db to tie things together
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06:52:23  <Nuck>chapel: Comments and articles though :/
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06:52:30  <Nuck>that's where I just can't figure out a solution
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06:52:58  <Nuck>Actually, anyone know a good solid RPC library for backend stuff on Node.js?
06:53:02  <chapel>well, its just a matter if you want proper routing
06:53:21  <chapel>or how you want to split it up
06:53:36  <Nuck>With RPC I can build services and expose their stuff to a frontend server which combines them all
06:54:28  <chapel>sounds like substacks stuff
06:54:53  <konobi>RPC or REST or?
06:55:07  <TheAceOfHearts>warz: There's node meetups @_@?
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06:56:14  <Nuck>konobi: RPC
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06:56:25  <Nuck>While REST is sexy, it's not so amazing for backend services
06:56:32  <Nuck>Becuase jesus fuck that's hard to code for
06:56:40  <konobi>i use use rest for rpc-esque stuff
06:56:51  <Nuck>Well yeah, when done right it's great
06:57:05  <Nuck>I think Ruby had a great lib for REST-RPC-ey-shit
06:57:09  <Nuck>IIRC
06:57:19  <konobi>Nuck: time for OASIS and Corba!
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06:58:13  <Nuck>konobi: I didn't ask for something enterprise ready
06:58:18  <konobi>heh
06:58:47  <konobi>dnode?
06:59:02  <ucin>In Node.js, first argument for callback should be system error or any error such as invalid data type or invalid value??
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07:00:22  <TheAceOfHearts>ucin: it depends, first argument isn't ALWAYS an error
07:00:35  <TheAceOfHearts>I think @_@
07:00:40  <Nuck>Here's hte name of my idea
07:00:45  <Nuck>Service-Oriented Architecture
07:01:14  <Nuck>Where you implement something as loosely-coupled services, possibly in multiple languages, and then you tie them together in a neat bow
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07:02:05  <Nuck>But like, the authentication service needs to provide a means to check whether a user is logged in, so I was thinking RPC
07:02:06  <konobi>Nuck: dnode has several libs for other languages
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07:03:00  <ucin>I mean if I had a function that has invalid value, should I return callback(null, 'InvalidValue') or callback(true, invalidValue)
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07:03:41  <chapel>Nuck: look at substacks stuff
07:03:48  <chapel>seaport and similar
07:03:49  <Nuck>konobi: I see there's one in Ruby and another in Python
07:03:51  <Nuck>That could work
07:03:59  <chapel>hes got a whole suite of modules
07:04:03  <Nuck>Seaport won't do this, though it could help
07:04:06  <chapel>all based around separate services
07:04:07  <Nuck>chapel: I know :P
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07:04:41  <Nuck>I never was too fond of substack's stuff though, not my kinda APIs
07:04:43  <ucin>I like the second one because on the caller function, it will be much more simpler.
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07:05:23  <ucin>But is that callback convention on Node.js?
07:05:30  <Nuck>Seaport could work as a service discovery system though
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07:07:55  <Nuck>Why hasn't dnode been ported to C yet? :(
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07:16:38  <chewed-on>Anyone know why I would be getting a null element at the beginning of my JSON data ?
07:17:22  <chewed-on>I didn't get it from my Xcode, I didn't get it from my Chrome Browser but my Node.js data variable shows that it has "null{json_data { …. }}" for some odd reason
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07:33:17  <MerlinDMC>chewed-on, maybe a jsonp request with missing callback?
07:33:31  <chewed-on>MerlinDMC: I found where the problem is
07:33:50  <chewed-on>MerlinDMC: Not sure if it's Javascript or Node.js but wow, it is very…bare bones.
07:34:11  <chewed-on>var data = null; then in response.on('data', function(chunk) { data += chunk; }
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07:34:22  <chewed-on>var data = null is where the "null" was coming from...
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07:34:43  <chewed-on>I needed to go var data = ''; to init it with an empty character
07:35:20  <Nuck>chewed-on: The problem is that null is an object.
07:35:32  <chewed-on>= /
07:35:35  <ruff>http://webreflection.blogspot.com/2010/10/javascript-coercion-demystified.html
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07:35:50  <Nuck>null, when turned into a string (implicitly by the concatenation operator +), turns into the string "null"
07:35:57  <Nuck>Which makes sense when your goal is to log null
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07:57:39  <dhpe>Anyone used aws-lib and SES to send mail?
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08:16:05  <chewed-on>example: buffer[i++] = msgid >> 24 & 0xFF;
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08:16:27  <rendar>chewed-on: whats that line?
08:16:35  <chewed-on>rendar: for what ?
08:16:44  <chewed-on>rendar: I just want to know how to read all those funny symbols and such
08:16:46  <rendar>that example line, where you took it?
08:17:04  <chewed-on>rendar: it's a from a push notification script
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08:17:18  <chewed-on>from a tutorial on the internet
08:17:19  <rendar>operator>> shifts from left ot right bits, in that case of 24 positions, and operator& is the logical bitwise AND
08:17:36  <chewed-on>what about the 0xFF what does that mean ? white colour ?
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08:17:57  <rendar>it is 255 in exadecimal, you should _really_ learn some C basics :)
08:17:59  <chewed-on>I know css, color: #FF0000; is pure while red :P
08:18:20  <chewed-on>rendar: wow, "basics" lol
08:18:31  <rendar>yeah, these stuff are C 101
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08:18:41  <chewed-on>I never understood those hexedecimal stuff
08:18:55  <chewed-on>rendar: basics for me is int myNum = 3; that's basics lol
08:19:00  <rendar>lol
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08:19:07  <rendar>you should really improve
08:19:10  <chewed-on>coming back to bite me in the ass.
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08:19:34  <rendar>;-)
08:19:39  <onre>hexadecimal is just another number system, base 16 instead of base 10
08:19:42  <onre>not much to it
08:20:09  <chewed-on>it just feels really…geeky for me to be reading bits and bytes, it's like programming in Assembly or Machine language, 0100111101001110101
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08:21:28  <onre>just imagine that you had sixteen fingers, then hexadecimal is natural to you :p
08:21:44  <tellnes>chewed-on That is why one often use hexadecimal instead of binary numbers.
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08:33:04  <Nexxy>konobi, it must be if you can control it w/ an iphone
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08:35:29  <jasper^off>hej guys. do you know if there are good tutorials around about writing protocols?
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08:40:33  <jasper^off>chewed-on ? :P
08:40:42  <jasper^off>I always am...but... not quite sure what you're getting at :P
08:41:16  <chewed-on>jasper^off: a protocol usually goes like this: I talk you listen, then you talk I listen :P
08:41:21  <chewed-on>there's your tutorial
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08:59:17  <syskk>is there any built in isArray() function in node.js?
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09:00:57  <kramutils>syskk: http://nodejs.org/api/util.html#util_util_isarray_object
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09:01:09  <syskk>kramutils: thanks
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09:07:50  <TheAceOfHearts>what do people mean when they say they've got a full server-side stack?
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09:09:30  <deoxxa>TheAceOfHearts: they keep their books next to their boxen
09:09:45  <TheAceOfHearts>D:
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09:10:52  <deoxxa>TheAceOfHearts: on its own, what you said made little sense
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09:11:14  <TheAceOfHearts>Well, for example: We at cloud9 IDE (http://c9.io) run our full server-side stack on node.js
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09:11:54  <TheAceOfHearts>I don't really know what they mean when they say that :\... I'm pretty new to web development as a whole
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09:12:21  <deoxxa>what they mean is that everything on the server side of their service is built with node
09:12:32  <TheAceOfHearts>oh, ok, cool. Thanks.
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09:12:51  <deoxxa>a "stack" in that sense is the software that supports your application/service
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09:13:22  <TheAceOfHearts>thanks, that's what I was wondering. I wasn't really sure what they meant in the context
09:13:52  <deoxxa>that's actually kind of misleading the way they say it, because they obviously use some kind of database that isn't node, and probably a few other auxillary functions
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09:14:05  <deoxxa>+i
09:14:21  <TheAceOfHearts>I see
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09:17:13  <mmalecki>deoxxa: where are you dude?
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09:18:38  <nathan7>deoxxa: Any idea yet when you're appearing here?
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09:27:26  <deoxxa>mmalecki: london
09:27:31  <deoxxa>nathan7: tomorrow evening
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09:27:44  <deoxxa>mmalecki: kensington specificallt
09:27:46  <deoxxa>-t+y
09:27:47  <TheAceOfHearts>@_@ is there a conference or something?
09:28:07  <deoxxa>there's been a couple lately
09:28:09  <deoxxa>:D
09:28:19  <TheAceOfHearts>why don't you come to PR to give conferences :(?
09:28:27  <deoxxa>PR?
09:28:32  <TheAceOfHearts>Puerto Rico :P
09:28:36  <deoxxa>ha
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09:29:01  <TheAceOfHearts>In my college me and a friend have been learning to work with Node a lot :D, and I'm getting a third friend to join us
09:29:09  <TheAceOfHearts>I did my databases project with node :D
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09:35:04  <mmalecki>TheAceOfHearts: if you organize a conference I'll be happy to come
09:35:10  <mmalecki>do you need a visa to get in?
09:35:29  <tasslehoff>I need some buzzwords. I use express, and have created a multipart form. I handle the upload with formidable. Now I want to send some progress info to the uploader. Are ajax and jquery the correct buzzwords for what I want to do?
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09:36:04  <mmalecki>realtime!
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09:37:57  <TheAceOfHearts>haha
09:38:12  <TheAceOfHearts>mmalecki: if you can visit USA you can visit PR
09:38:29  <TheAceOfHearts>I don't know how visiting USA works for foreigners, though @.@
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09:39:01  <mmalecki>TheAceOfHearts: I'll be able to visit USA soon
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09:39:47  <TheAceOfHearts>I don't think I could convince people here to fly someone in for a conference :(
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09:40:04  <TheAceOfHearts>some big name companies fly in people for the job fairs, but that's it for the most part
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09:40:21  <TheAceOfHearts>and well, sometimes some electrical engineering people from like TI will fly in
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09:48:43  <lmg^wrk>hey everyone
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09:49:11  <lmg^wrk>got quite a wierd situation here, hope someone can help!
09:49:35  <lmg^wrk>new Date('Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:19:00 CET'); => invalid date
09:49:45  <lmg^wrk>new Date('Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:19:00 PST'); => ok
09:50:25  <lmg^wrk>output of new Date() is ... CET tho. I'm lost :/
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09:54:47  <TheAceOfHearts>o.o
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09:57:14  <SoulRaven>anyone try to use this module for hashing map
09:57:16  <SoulRaven>https://github.com/flesler/hashmap
09:57:34  <SoulRaven>i am searching for something similar to hashMap in java
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10:02:44  <Doumie>i got a sequelize model like this https://gist.github.com/4109931
10:02:54  <Doumie>from the classMethods, i need to access another model
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10:03:50  <Doumie>and i'm not sure how can i do that
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10:11:05  <kpsullivan>If I want the code console.log(_.random(0, 100)); to work in the browser and in node, is this a reasonable way to do it? if (module != null) { global._ = require('_'); }
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10:11:48  <kpsullivan>To be clear I do not want _ to be global in node for all modules, only the current module
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10:16:27  <konobi>Nexxy: yeah, that's what i thought... but hard to say... cheap though
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10:18:09  <lucas__>hey, if i have a native program that call a javascript function many times, how can i optimize this?
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10:18:24  <lucas__>hopefully it'll be able to run 44.1k times/sec
10:18:52  <guor>could you batch the calls?
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10:19:21  <lucas__>hmm, i want the function to be user-writeable
10:19:32  <konobi>lucas__: native addon?
10:19:37  <lucas__>is this possible?
10:19:53  <lucas__>konobi: js code called by native
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10:20:03  <guor>i meant like, instead of calling the function 44.1k times a second, call it 44 times a second, processing a batch of 1000 calls at a time
10:20:07  <konobi>so you have v8 embedded somewhere?
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10:20:45  <kbmtoybokmt>Hi everyone
10:21:04  <konobi>lucas__: ?
10:21:24  <lucas__>konobi: i will be. i'm thinking about wrinting a modular jack plugin
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10:21:35  <lucas__>(so i can see quickly how things will sound)
10:21:42  <konobi>lucas__: well, not really a node wues
10:21:46  <konobi>ques
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10:22:11  <konobi>but there's several audio modules out there for node, so i know it's pretty decent
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10:22:17  <lucas__>konobi: i didn't know where else to ask
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10:22:36  <guor>lucas__: what speaks against batching the calls?
10:22:38  <konobi>lucas__: there's the v8 mailing list =0)
10:22:46  <lucas__>guor: nothing
10:22:54  <kbmtoybokmt>If my Node.js sessions between clients require data from a database in which has to be syncronised with the session, how is the best way to do it? Should a duplicate the database in node.js memory?
10:23:04  <konobi>lucas__: XY?
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10:28:39  <jasper^off>hej guys, I have a question... I got a list of sockets...I want to compare it to the socket sending some information and then return that sockets's stored information
10:28:42  <jasper^off>code: http://pastebin.com/Rf8V95Ua
10:28:53  <jasper^off>what should I return if the socket doesn't exist ? :P
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10:39:19  <konobi>jasper^off: are you sure you can get to a point whre there is no socket?
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11:03:51  <adlwalrus>Hi all, I'm trying to understand number distributions, so I tried to make a quick graphing script. But it's totally failing. Would anyone mind having a quick look? (It's under 40 LOC.) http://jsfiddle.net/eg3bU/2/
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11:07:48  <konobi>adlwalrus: had a google for "math" ?
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11:11:30  <adlwalrus>konobi: what do you mean?
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11:12:55  <konobi>number distributions are a math/stats thing
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11:44:11  <TehShrike>What was that one module that would output an ascii representation of a graph?
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11:44:16  <TehShrike>I think maybe substack wrote it...
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11:44:43  <substack>it sort of works
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11:44:52  <TehShrike>I couldn't remember the name
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11:45:09  <TehShrike>And then didn't somebody make another one for displaying trees, npm-style?
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11:45:14  <substack>undirender
11:45:19  <substack>archy
11:45:35  <substack>https://npmjs.org/package/archy https://npmjs.org/package/undirender
11:45:47  <TehShrike>Yeah, those are what I was thinking of! Thanks :-D
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11:46:13  <Zac12>hi there, is there a way to search nodejs express sessions?
11:46:41  <Zac12>and by search I mean, is there a way to store a mongo object as a session and then query the mongo object like you would any other object?
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11:47:58  <deoxxa>Zac12: use one of the various mongodb session stores
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11:49:02  <deoxxa>Zac12: you can find more information by visiting this url: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=node.js%20express%20session%20mongodb
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11:50:02  <Zac12>its funny you should link me there
11:50:05  <Zac12>because as I arrived
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11:50:22  <Zac12>I noticed that all the links have already been followed and are 'purple' instead of 'blue'
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11:51:32  <Zac12>I did check that out and at the moment I am storing sessions using : http://dpaste.com/833231/
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11:52:06  <Zac12>is that correct?
11:52:26  <deoxxa>looks right
11:52:54  <Zac12>hm cool
11:53:13  <Zac12>so then I'd have to create a mongo object and save it in req.session ?
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11:53:36  <deoxxa>if that's what the documentation says to do, sure
11:53:42  <deoxxa>is that was the documentation says to do?
11:53:52  <Zac12>that's the thing, I can't find any express session documentation
11:53:56  <Zac12>unless I am blind
11:54:03  <Zac12>http://expressjs.com/api.html
11:54:33  <deoxxa>well the mongodb stuff isn't part of express (or connect, which express is built on)
11:54:45  <deoxxa>also the session bit is in connect
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11:56:42  <Zac12>yeah - so I've managed to now create a session using req.session.newSession = new Object();
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11:56:58  <Zac12>or would I have to create a mongoDB object and save it to newSession?
11:57:02  <Zac12>maybe that's where my error lies
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11:57:19  <Zac12>but I also see that a 'sessions' collection under mongodb has been created
11:57:35  <deoxxa>it sounds like you're just trying random things
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11:57:55  <deoxxa>what does the documentation for the mongodb session store say?
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11:58:13  <Zac12>I have looked online to try find examples, or documentation but haven't gotten very far
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11:59:22  <deoxxa>Zac12: have you tried looking at the actual module?
11:59:34  <deoxxa>Zac12: i.e. ./node_modules/name-of-whatever-mongo-store-you-got
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12:03:57  <Zac12>using connect-mongo - will do
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12:12:40  <zot1>is there a simple way to do crc32? i've only found a couple gist/github things that feel a bit hacked together…
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12:14:50  <konobi>zot1: sounds like it
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12:25:32  <Ax_SeS>all yall facebook useres post this to someone in chat , [[375371002556169]] [[375371009222835]] [[375371005889502]] [[375371012556168]] [[375371019222834]] [[375371109222825]]
12:25:32  <Ax_SeS>[[375371115889491]] [[375371105889492]] [[375371102556159]] [[375371112556158]] [[375371192556150]] [[375371189222817]]
12:25:32  <Ax_SeS>[[375371202556149]] [[375371195889483]] [[375371199222816]] [[375371272556142]] [[375371265889476]] [[375371275889475]]
12:25:32  <Ax_SeS>[[375371279222808]] [[375371269222809]] [[375371332556136]] [[375371329222803]] [[375371335889469]] [[375371339222802]]
12:25:34  <Ax_SeS>[[375371342556135]] [[375371425889460]] [[375371419222794]] [[375371415889461]] [[375371412556128]] [[375371422556127]]
12:25:57  <medice>wat
12:25:57  <b-ot>If code right people never know it is there.
12:26:05  <Ax_SeS>?
12:26:15  <SomeoneWeird>wot is dis
12:26:33  <Ax_SeS>If u post that to some1 in chat on Facebook it'll be a random picture of a guy with something on his head.
12:26:37  <deoxxa>Ax_SeS: how about "no"
12:26:43  <kranius>deoxxa++
12:26:54  <Ax_SeS>haters g0nn4 h8
12:27:03  <Ax_SeS>deoxxa-
12:27:06  * Ax_SeSsucks.
12:27:14  <medice>yes you do. yes you do.
12:27:21  <medice>glad we can agree
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12:27:26  <kranius>hahaha
12:27:33  <deoxxa>mmm
12:28:20  <deoxxa>Ax_SeS: i've always wondered, what's it like to work with/study computers as someone with a learning disability?
12:28:42  <medice>now, bygones bygones
12:28:54  <medice>no extended perios of nasty towards others
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12:32:30  <SoulRaven>anyone knows what is returning from LOCALE.US the java class?
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12:37:31  <SoulRaven><SoulRaven> anyone knows what is returning from LOCALE.US the java class?
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12:42:44  <deoxxa>SoulRaven: javascript != java
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12:44:31  <SoulRaven>deoxxa: i know :)
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12:56:32  <somebody>hi, i've just installed the webrtc.io module using: npm install webrtc.io
12:56:46  <somebody>but when i try to run my sample program using node i get: Error: Cannot find module 'ws'
12:57:08  <somebody>am i missing some other module dependencies?
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13:05:01  <somebody>ok, i just needed to run the npm install command on the missing modules
13:05:04  <somebody>thanks anyway...
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13:17:00  <|Freeman|>Anyone know what S -> AB might mean in automata theory (as opposed to S -> A | B)? I know this is offtopic, but I am trying to help a friend to study for a test and can't fidn a specific channel for the question.
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13:21:12  <appr>|Freeman|: eg: number -> digit; number -> number digit; digit -> 0 | 1 | 2 | ... | 9;
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13:25:54  <Pitel_IPEX>|Freeman|: seem to me like standard rule from context-free grammar.
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13:26:35  <|Freeman|>appr: not sure I understand, S -> A | B would mean from state S either to state A or to state B (dunno why not transitions in the notation, like S -> aA | bB)
13:27:04  <Pitel_IPEX>epsilon trasitions...
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13:41:28  <thomaschaaf>Hello I am trying to build the node.js package from http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/nodejs.git and am having problems, that the execution of the installed node uses 100% cpu time.
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13:42:16  <deoxxa>thomaschaaf: that's not the official repository
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13:42:37  <deoxxa>thomaschaaf: http://nodejs.org/dist/latest/ << this is the latest stable release
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13:42:47  <thomaschaaf>deoxxa: I want to build the .deb ;)
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13:43:38  <deoxxa>well, it's hard to offer any advice on how to proceed with that, since it's maintained by someone else entirely
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13:43:48  <thomaschaaf>I need to distribute 0.8.0 to several server.. can't have them all compile some software from source
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13:44:04  <deoxxa>there's binaries at that link i gave you
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13:48:04  <thomaschaaf>deoxxa: I see let me try that :)
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14:47:18  <aleksandar>hey, guys, I can't seem to find how to edit xml nodes using libxmljs
14:47:22  <aleksandar>is it possible?
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15:12:48  <chnops>is npm known to have problems with installing packages under sshfs mountpoints? I'm having a weird problem where installing 'express' fails in any directory that is under an sshfs mount (i.e. in ~/Remotes/myothermachine/tmp/foo, see pastebin link), but on my local fs it installs fine, I don't entirely understand the error it is throwing at me either: http://pastebin.com/AaK9PPBz
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15:27:21  <JasonWoof>I'm using the https module to send requests. I'm listening for an 'error' event on the request object, and a 'end' request on the response object.
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15:27:35  <chnops>I always run into weird issues like this with sshfs/fuse and having to find some workaround option to sshfs :/
15:27:36  <JasonWoof>is it possible for both of these to fire for a given request?
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15:32:59  <bnoordhuis>JasonWoof: yes
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15:33:50  <JasonWoof>bnoordhuis: so sometimes res.on('end') will fire _and_ req.on('error') will fire?
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15:34:19  <JasonWoof>I've gotta make sure I only call my callback once
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15:34:45  <bnoordhuis>JasonWoof: that's correct
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15:34:51  <JasonWoof>oy. good to know
15:34:52  <JasonWoof>thank you
15:34:59  <bnoordhuis>my pleasure
15:36:01  <JasonWoof>not the answer I was hoping for, but very good to know :)
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15:38:09  <chewed-on>So erm, Node.js can handle very big applications like cloud servers and such ?
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15:38:21  <substack>chewed-on: what does that even mean?
15:38:22  <chewed-on>or is it more for small-medium size applications
15:38:39  <substack>chewed-on: why would you *want* to have a "big application" in the first place?
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15:38:48  <chewed-on>substack: I am trying to grasp what size of a project Node.js can be used for
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15:39:07  <substack>chewed-on: that's a silly way of framing thinking about node
15:39:14  <substack>you shouldn't be writing big applications in the first place
15:39:34  <chnops>gildean, I figured it out, it errored out on sshfs because I was passing "-o follow_symlinks" for my mountpoint, which I added long ago to work around something else (I forgot what, probably absolute symlinks, but there's a better workaround for that)
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15:39:53  <chewed-on>substack: well some people said Node.js is more for small to medium size server stuff, so I thought I'd get everyone's experienced opinion in the #node.js channel.
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15:39:57  <substack>chewed-on: http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch01s06.html#id2878022
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15:40:49  <substack>chewed-on: I like it much more when problems are decomposed into tiny modules and tiny services that talk to each other over the network
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15:41:26  <substack>big apps conflate many separate concerns into a single project
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15:41:36  <substack>separate concerns that should be split out and made seperable
15:42:08  <substack>you can mow down technical debt pre-emptively with this approach
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15:42:45  <chewed-on>substack: what I mean is can you use Node.js for big stuff or is it more for running John Smith's backyard personal website
15:42:49  <gildean>substack: i think he means more like scale
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15:42:59  <substack>chewed-on: and when it comes time to refactor your approach, it's much easier to juggle all the pieces around if everything has been split up into reusable separate projects
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15:43:23  <chewed-on>substack: T_T
15:43:32  <substack>chewed-on: that is an approval-seeking question
15:43:42  <chewed-on>substack: I'm sorry brudda, I won't ask again :P
15:44:07  <substack>you are looking for authority figures to confirm or reject a topic for you
15:44:24  <substack>don't follow leaders. watch your parking meters.
15:44:41  <gildean>chewed-on: i can be the authority you need: yes, it can do big apps
15:44:43  <bnoordhuis>node.js? isn't that for writing chat apps?
15:44:52  <gildean>now go forth and make my apps big!
15:45:04  <chewed-on>lol, ok maybe I shouldn't have asked
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15:45:52  <substack>chewed-on: chosing technology based on what other people think about it is what made java so widespread
15:46:12  <substack>if everybody is just looking to see what everybody else is doing then nobody is doing the thinking
15:46:24  <skattyadz>chewed-on: You can do big things with node. Whether you want to is another question. It's often used to server a role in a bigger system
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15:46:42  <deoxxa>substack: and yet we have php
15:46:44  <substack>chewed-on: anyways ask a well-formed question for which there is an objective answer instead
15:47:05  <substack>bigness is a product of confused thinking
15:47:42  <niggler>its a chicken and egg problem: nodejs won't be considered production scale until some massive high-profile project uses it
15:47:44  <substack>which is an endemic disease of this industry
15:48:14  <deoxxa>is microsoft's new cloud platform not high profile enough? :/
15:48:15  <niggler>substack: i look at the problem from an employment perspective
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15:48:34  <niggler>its hard to get a phalanx of programmers in an obscure language
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15:48:48  <niggler>or ones fluent in a relatively nascent framework
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15:49:07  <substack>niggler: Employment is indeed a big problem. More people should quit their jobs.
15:49:14  <substack>then we wouldn't have such an employment problem
15:49:15  <deoxxa>niggler: did you buy one of those word of the day calendars
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15:49:45  <gildean>deoxxa: the phalanx part?
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15:49:58  <gildean>deoxxa: i remember phalanx from civilization
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15:50:04  <niggler>you know, i have this image in my head
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15:50:07  <gildean>it was one of the first units you could make
15:50:09  <deoxxa>ha
15:50:22  <niggler>i went to interview with citigroup for an internship way back when
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15:50:42  <deoxxa>i want to play roller coaster tycoon in my web browser :<
15:50:43  <niggler>and the trading floor looked like a warehouse with just rows and rows of tables
15:50:58  <niggler>each really long table seating four people
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15:51:07  <niggler>each person with 8-10 monitors
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15:51:18  <chewed-on>substack: I wasn't looking at it as to whether its popular and what everyone uses or not, I am looking at it as to whether it is the right tool for some of my future projects, sure you can clean your entire mansion with a tooth brush instead of a broom
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15:51:30  <deoxxa>niggler: did you have an urge to yell "she can't take much more captain"?
15:51:31  <niggler>and even though the visual is not the same, i see corporate programming in the same way
15:51:43  <substack>niggler: white-collar jobs will be some of the first casualties of more widespread automation
15:51:50  <niggler>as a bunch of drones herded in a big room
15:51:53  <mbalho>chewed-on: i recommend to people getting into node that they dont use it as a web framework
15:51:56  <substack>relish the fact that those jobs can be replaced with an algorithm
15:52:07  <niggler>substack: it was a quantitative analysis internship
15:52:35  <chewed-on>mbalho: no, I don't see Node.js as a web framework, I see it more for building servers related to networking
15:52:37  <niggler>substack: i tried building a parser in node and it choked
15:52:46  <mbalho>chewed-on: then you're already on the right track
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15:53:04  <substack>yes node is good at building tiny services that talk to each other over the network
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15:54:24  <deoxxa>niggler: that's a pretty general description; "a parser"
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15:55:01  <substack>if you need to build some tiny network servers to multiplex some io node is great for that
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15:55:13  <niggler>deoxxa: to parse market data 
15:55:47  <niggler>http://www.nyse.com/pdfs/CQS_Output_Spec_Rev_51_062712.pdf
15:55:52  <gildean>imo node works fine as a web framework as well, it's nice to combine separate servers that speak the same language so to speak
15:56:15  <niggler>though i chalk the issues up to limitations in V8
15:56:16  <deoxxa>niggler: well, to counter with my own anecdotal evidence, i've written several binary protocol parsers in node and it stands up really well
15:56:23  <niggler>why isn't there a 64 bit version?
15:56:34  <deoxxa>there... is
15:56:38  <deoxxa>it just sucks
15:56:39  <substack>I've been running binary parsers in production for 2 years
15:56:48  <substack>poorly-written ones even
15:56:48  <mbalho>niggler: wheres the code you wrote?
15:56:50  <substack>they work just fine
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15:57:21  <niggler>i didn't push it up to npm if that's what you are asking mbalho -- there are some proprietary stuff i have to strip out first
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15:57:30  <deoxxa>lol @ that spec, niggler
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15:57:43  <deoxxa>why is financial stuff always horribad
15:57:58  <niggler>there are two forces at play deoxxa
15:57:59  <mbalho>niggler: its just pointless to talk about code performance without the code
15:58:26  <niggler>there are simpler formats, which is what the exchanges use directly
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15:59:07  <deoxxa>function parse(data) { while (Math.random() > 0.00000001) {} return data.split(":"); } // erratic performance for some reason
15:59:12  <niggler>http://www.nasdaqtrader.com/content/technicalsupport/specifications/dataproducts/NQTV-ITCH-V4_1.pdf
15:59:34  <niggler>this is a much simpler one but that's because its controlled by NASDAQ directly
15:59:52  <niggler>and for them, revenue comes from colocation fees from high frequency traders
15:59:56  <niggler>so they cater to that market
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16:01:59  <deoxxa>in reality though, this is all pretty well defined - it's totally doable to parse this quite quickly in node
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16:03:26  <mbalho>well if niggler couldnt do it it must mean node isnt production ready yet
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16:14:14  <niggler>that's not where it fails though
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16:14:23  <niggler>its not a limitation of node so much as it is a limitation of v8
16:14:39  <niggler>i wonder if it would make more sense to put more energies there
16:14:39  <deoxxa>v8 is pretty darn fast, so long as you treat it right
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16:15:17  <guor>niggler: I'm interested, maybe you could pinpoint that limitation?
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16:16:04  <guor>something like, v8 does not support 64-bit integers, that's a limitation
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16:16:42  <niggler>much of the performance gain in C, for example, comes from manipulating fixed-width strings
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16:17:11  <niggler>ticker symbols are 8 characters (64 bytes)
16:17:18  <timeturner>why not use zmq instead of SoupBinTCP
16:17:40  <bnoordhuis>niggler: bytes or bits?
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16:17:45  <niggler>so you can save a ton of heartache by working with uint64_t as opposed to char
16:17:50  <niggler>i meant bits heh thanks bnoordhuis
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16:18:07  <guor>That's inherent with javascript, not v8 per se
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16:18:42  <gtramontina>Hi all. Windows question: we need to install a module globally, for all users. "-g" install it globally for the current user only. Is there a way for us to do that for all?
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16:18:45  <niggler>timeturner: that's what they use :/
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16:19:04  <niggler>guor: is there a memory limit in v8?
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16:19:19  <guor>not since the new GC
16:19:32  <bnoordhuis>niggler, guor: there still is
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16:20:10  <guor>you can set the memory limit almost arbitrarily, but you have to pay for it in GC time
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16:21:34  <deoxxa>real men turn off GC and use lljs
16:21:49  <niggler>wtf is lljs?
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16:22:11  <deoxxa>google, bro
16:22:16  <guor>sounds like a bastard child of c and js...
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16:22:25  <deoxxa>bingo
16:22:52  <niggler>that looks like pyrex for javascript
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16:24:54  <gtramontina>Anyone? -- Hi all. Windows question: we need to install a module globally, for all users. "-g" install it globally for the current user only. Is there a way for us to do that for all?
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16:27:40  <tcial>I have a problem with child_process, but it's sort of a problem with the child process itself
16:27:44  <tcial>Sending messages to it using stdin
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16:28:41  <wgolden>Hey guys, what framework for node do you guys recommend ?
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16:43:09  <chewed-on>how do I clear a buffer ? buffer = null ?
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16:44:42  <gnarf>gtramontina: i was pretty sure npm install -g puts it in /usr/local/bin ....
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16:45:29  <gtramontina>gnarf: ... yeah, but we're using windows. :-/
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16:46:22  <gtramontina>gnarf: ... it puts under the current user's profile directory. We are trying to find a way to install it for all users.
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16:46:46  <gnarf>gtramontina: oh, windows... there's your problem ;)
16:46:56  <gnarf>sorry, no clue there
16:47:04  <gtramontina>gnarf: lol! I know, right?
16:47:11  <gnarf>i haven't used windows as a dev OS since um... 94?
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16:47:29  <gtramontina>thanks for making our day better... :-)
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16:47:59  <gtramontina>gnarf: me too, but we have to stick with windows for our current client.
16:48:01  <gnarf>I would imagine you could put the .cmd file in some global PATH
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16:49:01  <gtramontina>yeah.. that's what we thought. Were just wondering if there was another way...
16:49:31  <gtramontina>Thanks anyway.
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17:04:09  <chewed-on>Having some problem with my code, it seems like my for loop is not executing all iterations
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17:05:51  <chewed-on>I have a number of Notifications, I loop through each notifcation (each notification can have multiple tokens to send the notifciation to), for each notification, I call pushNotification(notification.message, arrTokens);, In my pushNotification() function, I loop through all the tokens in the array but as it is currently, it is only using the first token of my array everytime.
17:06:28  <chapel>chewed-on: got a gist?
17:06:34  <chewed-on>The for loop is meant to execute 3 times at least before it sends
17:06:53  <hikari_>are u using events ?
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17:07:04  <chewed-on>hikari_: uh, not when I am pushing notifications,
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17:08:09  <hikari_>need to see some code if possible
17:08:09  <deoxxa>chewed-on: gist or gtfo
17:08:21  <hikari_>lol
17:08:21  <chewed-on>what's gist ?
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17:08:26  <chewed-on>oh wait
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17:08:40  <chapel>gist.github.com
17:08:52  <deoxxa>I WROTE YOU THIS POEM
17:08:55  <deoxxa>JUST TO LET YOU KNOW
17:09:00  <deoxxa>PASTE SOME DAMN CODE
17:09:02  <deoxxa>GIST OR GTFO
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17:09:07  <chapel>lol
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17:09:19  <deoxxa>i'm a regular poet
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17:11:16  <chewed-on>deoxxa, hikari_ http://pastie.org/5402032
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17:11:50  <deoxxa>what's a class
17:12:24  <chewed-on>not very readable, pastie
17:13:03  <chewed-on>http://pastebin.com/Fp9fwaFX
17:13:06  <chewed-on>Try that one
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17:13:31  <deoxxa>(for future reference, gist.github.com is good because it's well formatted and forkable)
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17:13:46  <yawnt>listen to the old man
17:13:51  <yawnt>^o^
17:13:53  <chewed-on>So from line 107 (pastebin link), it's where I start parsing my notification from the JSON data returned by my Symfony web server)
17:13:54  <deoxxa>now, there's near on 300 lines of code there
17:13:57  <deoxxa>ok
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17:14:32  <chewed-on>at line 193, it's where I start calling my pushNotification() function to push a message to all the tokens attached to each notification
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17:15:18  <chewed-on>I am expecting console.log('strToken = ' + strToken + '\n') to execute at least 3 times in that for loop on line 220
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17:16:52  <chewed-on>It seems like some asynchronous feature is kicking in, my for loop on line 220 didn't get to execute finish before line 193 where I call pushNotification() function kicks in
17:17:17  <deoxxa>the way you say "kicking in" suggests you don't actually understand what's happening
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17:17:23  <deoxxa>you're not going to be able to fix this until you do
17:17:26  <deoxxa>not properly anyway
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17:17:35  <deoxxa>you might get it working, but it'll likely still be broken in a bunch of ways
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17:19:00  <deoxxa>so you're saying you get "arrTokens.length = 3"?
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17:19:12  <chewed-on>deoxxa: yes
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17:19:22  <hikari_>can we get an example json response
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17:19:41  <chewed-on>give me a sec
17:19:52  <deoxxa>chewed-on: do you have any output after the first "strToken = ..."?
17:19:55  <chewed-on>let me format the json and I'll make a paste with gist this time
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17:25:38  <chewed-on>hikari_: sorry for the delay, 5 blocks of json
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17:30:40  <othiym23>does anyone have a good example of an Express / Strata / Restify middleware that does postprocessing on a completed page?
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17:31:03  <othiym23>I'm trying to figure out how to insert some tags after everything else is finished *without* breaking streaming, and it hard
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17:32:10  <chewed-on>hikari_, deoxxa https://gist.github.com/f6766b83c9612eed62e3
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17:33:42  <chewed-on>deoxxa: here is the console output: https://gist.github.com/a080d9863057e13e5413
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17:35:33  <chewed-on>hikari_, deoxxa if you guys want to see the source code again using gist this time: https://gist.github.com/0f3c17f6fcc079090256
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17:37:57  <brianc>tnorris: like you asked, I updated to include all repository activity, not just the commits: http://githubhub.com/
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17:39:58  <danmh>:P
17:40:11  <danmh>gildean: nothing anymore
17:40:30  <Sly>rofl @ "anymore"
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17:40:45  <Sly>Pasted and immediately changed.
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17:46:10  <tnorris>brianc: looking sick. it's been helping me clean up my started repos.
17:46:39  <brianc>tnorris: awesome!
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17:47:42  <brianc>I could put an 'unstar' button on there....but it'd need higher access privs to your github profile so maybe not. i like "public read-only access" only
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17:57:02  <evelyette>hi, I'm trying to use RedisStore with socket.io in my app ... if I use multiple socket.io threads then, it just works: I can send the messages between two users connected to a different socket.io (different port), but using the same redis
17:57:05  <harrisonm>bahaha the topic
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17:57:45  <evelyette>the only thing that I don't know is how the RedisStore actually works: is there any documentation anywhere? If I enter "keys *" in redis, there isn't actually any keys, but the communication works nevertheless, how is that possible ?
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18:01:49  <exit2>any recommendations on something to build in Node to help strength my skillz?
18:02:15  <chapel>evelyette: it is because it uses redis pub/sub
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18:02:31  <skattyadz>Something you can get excited about personally :P
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18:03:31  <evelyette>chapel, so? Should there be keys/values nevertheless ?
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18:04:26  <exit2>skattyadz: I'm having a hard time finding inspiration haha
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18:04:40  <aettinger>anyone using ovh.co.uk dedicated server able to buy one from outside the UK?
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18:05:01  <mbalho>exit2: look at the node knockout entries from last week
18:05:09  <deoxxa>aettinger: yeah
18:05:10  <exit2>mbalho: ok cool idea thanks
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18:05:44  <aettinger>deoxxa: when i go to order, it only gives me UK as an option for Country
18:05:48  <aettinger>where do you order it?
18:05:49  <deoxxa>correct
18:05:51  <aettinger>I'm in usa
18:05:53  <deoxxa>i use http://www.resellermarkets.com/
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18:07:13  <aettinger>deoxxa: that is more expensive than ovh
18:07:14  <nicholas_>deoxxa: go to sleep, too early for you
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18:07:29  <deoxxa>nicholas_: it's like 6pm
18:07:31  <deoxxa>:|
18:07:36  <nicholas_>haha, where are you?
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18:07:42  <deoxxa>london
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18:07:43  <deoxxa>heh
18:07:46  <nicholasf>ah cool
18:07:58  <deoxxa>aettinger: seems they've changed their plans since i last saw
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18:08:47  <deoxxa>aettinger: i've got an i7-2T through them and it's about $100/month, which is only a touch above what ovh themselves charge
18:09:30  <aettinger>for their basic it's about twice the cost
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18:09:51  <deoxxa>yeah i can't actually find mine on there anymore :/
18:10:30  <deoxxa>anyway, take a look through WHT's dedicated server section
18:10:35  <deoxxa>you'll find a bunch of resellers
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18:11:03  <chapel>evelyette: no, pub/sub doesn't use keys
18:11:21  <evelyette>chapel, is there any way to view he messages in redis-cli ?
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18:11:37  <chapel>possibly monitor, not sure about pub sub
18:11:43  <aettinger>WHT?
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18:12:06  <deoxxa>aettinger: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/
18:12:09  <evelyette>chapel, yes you can use it with monitor, thanks
18:12:34  <deoxxa>aettinger: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=36 specifically
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18:15:07  <aettinger>deoxxa: thanks
18:15:16  <aettinger>bummed i can't get ovh, that was the best deal i've seen
18:15:19  <aettinger>1tb of data
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18:15:33  <aettinger>for $20/mo
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18:15:37  <deoxxa>aettinger: there's tons of ovh resellers
18:15:45  <deoxxa>also, have you tried ordering through ovh.ie?
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18:16:31  <deoxxa>aettinger: i remember, at one point, it was possible to order from the US there
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18:17:20  <aettinger>deoxxa: thanks
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18:18:02  <aettinger>deoxxa: have you used torrent on their servers?
18:18:08  <deoxxa>yep
18:18:20  <aettinger>i read a post on wht they will shut you down immediately.
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18:18:27  <deoxxa>lol
18:18:31  <aettinger>just curious howh true that is
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18:19:08  <deoxxa>maybe if you're hosting Some.New.TV.Show.S01E01[PUBLIC-TRACKER].avi
18:19:36  <deoxxa>but no, for general usage (especially on private trackers), there's really no problems
18:19:41  <deoxxa>at least, i've never had a problem
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18:20:51  <aettinger>deoxxa: ok
18:21:00  <aettinger>i only use private trackers
18:21:32  <deoxxa>yeah i've pushed tens of tb through private trackers and nothing has ever happened
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18:22:12  <strk>how am I suppoed to do on-the-fly compression ? This doesn't seem to be working: var ostream = zlib.createDeflate().pipe(res); myThing.toStream(ostream);
18:22:33  <strk>with `res` being a writeable stream and `myThing.toStream` accepting astream
18:22:44  <strk>the result of the above is I just get uncompressed data to `res`
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18:26:51  <aettinger>deoxxa: they want fax of government ID -- so I guess i need to use my real name
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18:27:19  <deoxxa>sounds about right
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18:27:47  <deoxxa>strk: zlib.createDeflate().pipe(res) returns res
18:28:04  <deoxxa>strk: Stream.pipe() returns the target stream, so you can do a.pipe(b).pipe(c)
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18:28:18  <deoxxa>aettinger: yeah, i just used a reseller because it was easier, heh
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18:28:57  <jkominar>question for the room: I have an express app and am trying to set a cookie value but it keeps writing the value to the browser in the url-escaped format, despite me providing it an unescaped value wrapped with unscape() as the cookie's value. Any ideas as to how to just write the cookie value I tell it?
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18:29:42  <strk>deoxxa: the library I'm using doesn't support .pipe, but has a toStream(x) method. How do I setup `x` to further pipe into `res` then ?
18:29:43  <jkominar>I'd deal with the escaping myself but there are other pre-existing systems that are expecting specific values that will break if I don't preserve the format.
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18:30:10  <strk>ah, found
18:30:13  <jkominar>e.g. a "|" is getting written as %7C instead of | in the cookie.
18:30:29  <strk>var ostream = zlib.createDeflate(); ostream.pipe(res); myThing.toStream(ostream); // works. thanks deoxxa
18:30:33  <deoxxa>bingo
18:31:01  <TheAceOfHearts>does anyone wanna try breaking my website? I'm looking for anything that might make it crash D:
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18:31:18  <deoxxa>TheAceOfHearts: paste url \o/
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18:31:22  <TheAceOfHearts>http://icom5016.ece.uprm.edu:3000/
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18:31:31  <TheAceOfHearts>only prof in database is Cesar
18:31:43  <deoxxa>404 :<
18:31:54  <deoxxa>ah
18:32:06  <drudge>http://tyrannically-asynchrono.us
18:32:08  <TheAceOfHearts>yeah, I wanna make it give you a notification instead of having to send you to a 404, but idk how
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18:35:09  <tnorris>TheAceOfHearts: just give me a minute. ;-)
18:35:12  <jkominar>If there's a better Express-type channel to ask in, I'd love to hear that too.
18:35:19  <TheAceOfHearts>sure lol
18:35:31  <TheAceOfHearts>tnorris: Nothing too harsh, please @.@ ...
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18:35:38  <TheAceOfHearts>it's just a college project xD
18:35:44  <tnorris>heh, ok.
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18:36:51  <TheAceOfHearts>if you wanna try submitting evaluations I can generate em, I just need an email to send it to
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18:37:49  <chapel>jkominar: not sure about this, but cookies probably need to be escaped for security reasons
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18:41:01  <jkominar>Yeah .. looking at express' cookie/index.js file, it seems it's forcefully always encoded :( That bites.
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18:42:58  <chapel>jkominar: well you could replace that with your own cookie function that doesn't encode
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18:43:44  <chapel>jkominar: it isn't required, but seems to be the defacto (re: encoding)
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18:44:45  <jkominar>Yeah .. I know. I would actually prefer it be encoded, but as I mentioned, I'm integrating with an existing system that writes values out unencrypted and I have to conform to the way the other system does it.
18:44:50  <TheAceOfHearts>skipfish is spamming me lol
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18:45:30  <jkominar>The other end will break if I feed it values with encodings in it because it's not expecting it, and it's too monolithic to get that end changed to accept encoded values.
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18:51:33  <ExxKA>Hi guys, if a method in an async.series modifies a variable outside of its local scope, will the changes be available outside async.series?
18:51:46  <strk>does anyone have an example of a .zip file creator using the core zlib ?
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18:52:21  <strk>my naive attempt ( write to createDeflater() ) seemed to return a corrupted zip file
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18:53:16  <strk>ie: End-of-central-directory signature not found
18:53:49  <strk>niggler: only ? why does it have Gzip/Deflate/DeflateRaw then ?
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18:56:18  <phrearch>hm, is there a convenient way to convert 50997c7715d9551412000002 to a unique int?
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18:56:28  <niggler>hmm strk you have a code sample?
18:56:34  <phrearch>mongodb uses _id's, where i need a parsable int for my enduser app
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18:57:14  <strk>niggler: var ostream = zlib.createDeflate(); ostream.pipe(res); csv().from(data).toStream(ostream);
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18:58:59  <othiym23>phrearch: MongoDB IDs are hex, so you could just parse the number using parseInt and a base of 16 (parseInt(variable, 16)) and then print it out normally (i.e. in base 10)
18:58:59  <niggler>hmm you should do it the other way around
18:59:19  <phrearch>othiym23: awesome, thanks for the tip :D
18:59:26  <mbalho>strk: dont you want zlib.createGzip()
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18:59:58  <niggler>mbalho: strk is trying to read zip files
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19:00:13  <strk>mbalho, niggler I'm trying to _write_ zip files
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19:00:20  <deoxxa>phrearch: that's not going to work
19:00:30  <deoxxa>phrearch: that number is way too big for javascript
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19:00:49  <phrearch>yea, its still crashing
19:00:56  <strk>the reader part I'm only using to test (and it complains it can't read it, confirmed by other non-node unzippers)
19:01:06  <phrearch>maybe i need autoincrement fields in my db
19:01:10  <deoxxa>strk: zlib != gzip !== zip
19:01:15  <phrearch>just for this
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19:01:34  <niggler>deoxxa: zlib provides DEFLATE
19:01:40  <strk>right
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19:01:50  <deoxxa>niggler: correct, but it's still not going to do your headers etc
19:02:14  <paradoxquine>hey, is there a way to prompt user for global install of package.js dependencies when running npm install?
19:02:19  <strk>ok, so core by itself is not going to help much, right ?
19:02:33  <deoxxa>paradoxquine: no, and why?
19:02:46  <deoxxa>strk: not if you specifically want .zip files
19:02:50  <niggler>so if that's the case, then theoretically saving and decompressing should give the original result
19:03:18  <phrearch>hm, removing parseInt from jinfinote's lib also did the trick
19:03:20  <paradoxquine>deoxxa. darn. trying to make it easy for coworkers to install all node dependencies, and its easier if they do grunt, etc globally
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19:03:48  <deoxxa>paradoxquine: better option i think would be to provide npm scripts for running those things
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19:04:07  <deoxxa>paradoxquine: see http://package.json.jit.su/ and the "scripts" section
19:04:12  <tnorris>TheAceOfHearts: here's a pastbin of a 505: http://pastebin.com/DTRuZYt8
19:04:22  <paradoxquine>deoxxa: thank you!
19:04:31  <tnorris> /505/500
19:04:32  <TheAceOfHearts>cool @.@
19:04:36  <TheAceOfHearts>what's a 505 xD?
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19:05:08  <tnorris>server error. (e.g. couldn't process the data correctly)
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19:05:09  <TheAceOfHearts>ah
19:05:12  <TheAceOfHearts>I see
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19:05:39  <deoxxa>paradoxquine: something to take note of is that npm will install any globally-accessible executables in ./node_modules/.bin -and- add that directory to $PATH when stuff is run from a "script" entry. so you don't need to put `./node_modules/grunt/bin/grunt' or whatever; you can just put `grunt'.
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19:06:02  <othiym23>phrearch: another thing you could try is using one of the bigint libraries out there for Node
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19:06:36  <phrearch>othiym23: thanks for the tip. may come in handy with some other stuff
19:06:48  <phrearch>can use the raw _id now gladly
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19:06:57  <TheAceOfHearts>so, that's the only one so far?
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19:07:14  <deoxxa>paradoxquine: on the other hand i have no idea how that behaves on windows, so if you're planning on doing that on windows... well... good luck?
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19:08:01  <paradoxquine>deoxxa: definitly not planning on doing anything on windows…ever :P
19:08:30  <deoxxa>paradoxquine: oh yeah, one last thing - you can add any "script" entry you like, and it'll be accessible via `npm run-script name-of-entry'. some entries get special treatment like "test" and "prePublish" etc, but anything else is accessible via that npm command.
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19:08:45  <tnorris>TheAceOfHearts: just visit this, and you'll see what I mean: http://icom5016.ece.uprm.edu:3000/s&[0]['a']%=crud.com
19:08:56  <paradoxquine>ok, nice, ty deoxxa
19:09:11  <TheAceOfHearts>thanks
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19:10:04  <tnorris>TheAceOfHearts: it seems to be from the parsing of the character "%" which causes it to fail every time.
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19:10:31  <TheAceOfHearts>I think that might be an Express flaw
19:10:39  <deoxxa>darn it tnorris, i was just about to mention that
19:10:54  <tnorris>deoxxa: heh.
19:11:09  <context>% isnt allowed thats why
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19:11:27  <context>that entire url is illegal as all hell
19:11:43  <TheAceOfHearts>lol
19:11:52  <tnorris>context: yeah, but I don't want the simple insertion of a "%" to cause a 500 error. can't express parse those out?
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19:12:06  <TheAceOfHearts>should I do something to handle thing type of thing?
19:12:14  <deoxxa>tnorris: is that a 500? should be a 406 or something
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19:12:28  <deoxxa>400
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19:12:53  <deoxxa>yeah that's a 400, that's valid
19:12:56  <tnorris>deoxxa: yeah, your correct. but still, I don't want something like this showing up on my page: http://icom5016.ece.uprm.edu:3000/%
19:13:04  <deoxxa>yeah definitely
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19:13:20  <deoxxa>if you set your error handler (or NODE_ENV) though, that won't happen
19:13:26  <context>so.. you are saying you want to allow the user to be stupid
19:13:34  <TheAceOfHearts>xD
19:13:37  <deoxxa>context: no, he's saying he doesn't want a stack trace
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19:13:47  <RLa>tnorris, deoxxa any idea why browser is not encoding % entered from the address bar?
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19:14:13  <tnorris>context: RLa doesn't matter. I can throw in any character from a wget or curl request. the server should handle it.
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19:14:36  <deoxxa>RLa: probably because people are silly and use "%" in filenames
19:14:38  <motin>i'm having immense problems with setting up a private repo. "adduser" works fine, and it ends with "Authorized user foo", but any subsequent login attempts with that user fails (login, publish, etc). it always responds these login attmpts with "Name or password is incorrect". I've tried creating the most trivial users with simple passwords to no avail...
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19:14:47  <context>so... "i dont care what the user gives me, parse it successfully"
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19:15:09  <RLa>i think i have seen testing tools that send random garbage to servers and see what they do
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19:15:23  <deoxxa>motin: wat? you mean setting up hosting for git repositories?
19:15:24  <tnorris>context: no. should be: 'for any unexpected request, redirect to given page'. not: 'dump my stack trace to the page'
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19:15:48  <TheAceOfHearts>deoxxa: how to I set up an error handler? can you point me in the right direction?
19:15:48  <tnorris>RLa: yeah, skipfish is one really easy to use. provided by google for free.
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19:16:14  <deoxxa>motin: check out https://github.com/deoxxa/instagit - i made it for exactly this reason (to make this easy)
19:16:15  <motin>deoxxa: no i'm setting up a registry for npm
19:16:18  <deoxxa>oh
19:16:20  <context>tnorris: so set the global exception handler?
19:16:20  <deoxxa>derp
19:16:22  <deoxxa>silly me
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19:16:49  <deoxxa>i've done that too though, and i got that same problem! you need to install the couchapp
19:16:50  <context>or is it still showing stack trace then
19:16:52  <tnorris>context: nope. every request should fit an expected schema. if that schema is violated then return given page.
19:17:25  <tnorris>e.g. know every given field. and know what regex is allowed on every field.
19:17:47  <tnorris>know what fields are co-dependent, and must be submitted together. etc.
19:18:08  <deoxxa>motin: go through the instructions on https://github.com/isaacs/npmjs.org - make sure you've actually done all of them (i skipped a couple when i first set it up, caused me no end of confusion)
19:18:25  <deoxxa>tnorris: problem is `GET /% HTTP/1.1' is invalid http
19:18:36  <deoxxa>tnorris: just as invalid as `LOL WHAT/999999'
19:18:41  <tnorris>deoxxa: yeah, and a hacker will expoit that to p0wn you.
19:19:00  <TheAceOfHearts>tnorris: do you know how I should handle that?
19:19:03  <deoxxa>yeah but it's not a matter of recognising a bad url - in that case there is no url
19:19:22  <deoxxa>you need to set the error handler properly
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19:19:32  <deoxxa>TheAceOfHearts: add a middleware with 4 arguments
19:19:36  <deoxxa>TheAceOfHearts: it's really that easy
19:19:42  <TheAceOfHearts>kk, thanks
19:19:46  <motin>deoxxa: yup i double-checked and triple-checked the instructions
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19:20:02  <tnorris>deoxxa: every field of a request header should be parsed. when a simple wget request can return me a stack trace of your server, something is wrong.
19:20:09  <deoxxa>TheAceOfHearts: app.use(function(err, req, res, next) { res.send("lol there was an error: " + err.message); })
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19:20:20  <deoxxa>tnorris: yes - that's the default error handler in express
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19:20:26  <TheAceOfHearts>yeah, just found it, thanks
19:20:43  <tnorris>TheAceOfHearts: not sure. not too familiar with express. but the failure is happening here "express/node_modules/connect/node_modules/send/lib/send.js:142:16"
19:20:45  <deoxxa>tnorris: you'll also get that for 404s if you don't have a catch-all middleware like static
19:21:10  <tnorris>so I'm not sure if it's a bug in express, or if there is pre-validation you can pass which will prevent the error.
19:21:22  <deoxxa>lol dude it's not a bug
19:21:41  <deoxxa>that's valid behaviour
19:21:55  <deoxxa>it's an error, so it hits the error handler
19:22:01  <deoxxa>the default error handler dumps a stack trace to the screen
19:22:07  <tnorris>deoxxa: sorry, anytime a stack trace is passed to the client in a production environment, I say there is a bug somewhere.
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19:22:20  <deoxxa>that's not a production environment
19:22:23  <deoxxa>it's still running in dev mode
19:22:28  <deoxxa>by default, it runs in dev mode
19:22:37  <motin>deoxxa: i find out what was wrong
19:22:42  <tnorris>but as we've seen TheAceOfHearts don't know how to handle that for prod, so I'm making sure he does.
19:22:47  <deoxxa>set your NODE_ENV or install a more appropriate error handler - problem solved
19:22:57  <deoxxa>this is all documented, btw
19:22:57  <motin>deoxxa: a nginx proxy screwed things up...
19:23:03  <TheAceOfHearts>thanks @.@
19:23:05  <deoxxa>motin: a-ha! that'll do it
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19:23:45  <gildean>or just add a route at the end that catches all not handled reqs
19:23:58  <TheAceOfHearts>yeah, that's what I'm doing
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19:26:12  <context>tnorris: i was gonna say the node_env is prolly whats doing it. generally you will get errors openly in development and not production
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19:27:09  <deoxxa>gildean: that's the same as adding an error handler
19:27:10  <tnorris>TheAceOfHearts: did you bring down your server?
19:27:14  <TheAceOfHearts>yeah
19:27:16  <deoxxa>gildean: except that you won't get the errors anymore...
19:27:16  <TheAceOfHearts>I just brought it back up
19:27:24  <TheAceOfHearts>I added what you guys told me
19:27:58  <tnorris>TheAceOfHearts: the following produces a 500: curl -H "POST /contact HTTP/1.1" -d "name=S&[0]['e']=s@e.com&comments=s" http://icom5016.ece.uprm.edu:3000/
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19:28:30  <gildean>deoxxa: true, but why are you sending erroneous requs
19:28:32  <gildean>stop it
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19:29:13  <tnorris>TheAceOfHearts: add a "-v" to the params to see the entire header response.
19:29:14  <deoxxa>gildean: wat, an error can come from anywhere in your application. an error handler lets you take that error and do something useful with it (log it, send an email, or in the case of the default handler, dump it to the response)
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19:29:48  <TheAceOfHearts>hmm
19:29:54  <gildean>deoxxa: yes of course, the catch-all route would just handle reqs that won't get handled otherwise
19:30:02  <gildean>like if someone is trying to hack around
19:30:04  <motin>i have set up a private npm registry and having an issue with logins failing when going through an nginx-proxy. anyone know how to configure nginx so that it works with npm registry logic?
19:30:05  <TheAceOfHearts>so, should I just redirect to a 404?
19:30:21  <deoxxa>gildean: but the specific situation we're seeing here is not a 404 - it's a 400
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19:31:01  <deoxxa>gildean: i.e. "never actually hit any of the normal middleware"
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19:31:26  <tnorris>deoxxa, context: correct me if I'm wrong, but returning a 500 anytime is always a bug.
19:31:46  <deoxxa>tnorris: it's not a 500
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19:32:01  <tnorris>deoxxa: mother effing, use the curl request I posted above. it produces a 500.
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19:32:06  <tnorris>here's the stack trace: http://pastebin.com/DTRuZYt8
19:32:39  <TheAceOfHearts>there, fixed :p
19:32:49  <deoxxa>oh, that's a different request, tnorris
19:32:57  <deoxxa>that one looks more like a bug
19:33:29  <TheAceOfHearts>lemme try it
19:33:32  <tnorris>TheAceOfHearts: nice. that was quick. what'd you change?
19:33:48  <TheAceOfHearts>just set it to send a 400 at the end of my middleware if it wasn't caught by anything else
19:34:07  <TheAceOfHearts>does it fix the other one as well?
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19:34:21  <gildean>that's just what i suggested
19:34:33  <TheAceOfHearts>yes, that's why I said thank you @.@
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19:34:43  <TheAceOfHearts>deoxxa also suggested it
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19:35:49  <tnorris>TheAceOfHearts: catching an error is a good fix for now, but still a bug in express/connect
19:37:27  <motin>deoxxa: i was wrong. nginx had nothing to do with it. whenever "password:" comes up during npm login, the login works fine, but when it is cached (i guess _auth in .npmrc), the login fails… meaning that publish never works
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19:40:27  <TheAceOfHearts>so, for handling errors, is this still valid: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7310521/node-js-best-practice-exception-handling ?
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19:41:29  <MI6>joyent/node: piscisaureus created branch nosplit - http://git.io/Yf-lPg
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19:42:53  <MI6>joyent/node: Bert Belder nosplit * 68f0a36 : http: protect against response splitting attacks - http://git.io/jHyrmQ
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19:44:42  <tnorris>TheAceOfHearts: yeah, that looks good. Also, you will usually want to have your process auto-restart on failure. I use upstart.
19:44:47  <tnorris>here's a good post: http://blog.nodejitsu.com/keep-a-nodejs-server-up-with-forever
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19:45:48  <TheAceOfHearts>thanks
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19:45:58  <TheAceOfHearts>I'm pretty new to the whole scene @.@
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19:50:32  <tnorris>TheAceOfHearts: I'd learn how to use skipfish (http://code.google.com/p/skipfish/) and apache benchmark (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/programs/ab.html)
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19:50:43  <tnorris>have any questions, feel free to ask.
19:51:08  <TheAceOfHearts>thanks :D
19:51:09  <tnorris>or, in place of apache benchmark, you can use siege (http://www.joedog.org/siege-home/)
19:51:32  <niggler>does ab support javascript?
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19:52:25  <tnorris>niggler: how do you mean?
19:52:43  <niggler>i mean ab is just for http load
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19:53:10  <tnorris>niggler: yeah, think so. from man page: "Apache HTTP server benchmarking tool"
19:53:11  <niggler>so I want to test something which involves downloading stuff via ajax
19:53:21  <niggler>and afaict ab can't do that
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19:54:05  <mbalho>ajax is http
19:54:08  <mbalho>and ab uses http also
19:54:16  <mbalho>hence: compatibility
19:54:23  <tnorris>niggler: yeah, should be possible. have an address?
19:54:29  <deoxxa>http://www.acme.com/software/http_load/ << better than ab
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19:54:57  <mikeputnam>i don't believe that ab will parse your js and execute subsequent XMLHttpRequests as a result
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19:55:25  <niggler>right mikeputnam
19:55:25  <deoxxa>mikeputnam: ...of course it won't
19:55:26  <TheAceOfHearts>what can I use to test what happens if people POST trash to my server?
19:55:51  <TheAceOfHearts>I THINK I handled every case
19:55:54  <niggler>deoxxa: you could envision something that did do it, leveraging phantomjs
19:55:56  <TheAceOfHearts>but I'm not completely certain
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19:56:06  <tnorris>TheAceOfHearts: the same as what I did earlier. probably just error. but you catch those now.
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19:56:43  <TheAceOfHearts>no but like, server crashing errors from expecting X or Y thing and not receiving it
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19:57:17  <tnorris>TheAceOfHearts: run skipfish. very likely it will detect any server crashing problems
19:57:31  <TheAceOfHearts>kk
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19:59:09  <tnorris>niggler: might have gotten behind, but since ajax is just an http request w/o reloading the page, those requests can still be performed in load testing.
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19:59:12  <gildean>or you could write a simple nodejs app to test out your own app
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19:59:41  <gildean>using something like request it's easy to handle longer chains of ajax-requs and responses
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20:05:27  <tnorris>TheAceOfHearts: sorry, you might have received a few crap contact emails.
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20:05:53  <TheAceOfHearts>it's fine lol
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20:19:47  <motin>I have run into problems with authentication against a new private npm repository. if anyone has set this up themselves successfully, please check https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/2651 and comment. big thanks!
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20:25:32  <Ax_SeS>Does anyone know how to setup a current running MongoDB Node App to appfrog or any other free node provider?
20:26:10  <gildean>Ax_SeS: just point the db to the full url instead of just a database name
20:26:27  <gildean>like mongodb://url.tld/database
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20:26:31  <Ax_SeS>I want tho host the db on their site too!
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20:26:50  <gildean>Ax_SeS: of course
20:27:02  <Ax_SeS>I dont know where the db is stored.
20:27:06  <gildean>but you need to point to the full url so the driver knows where to connect
20:27:31  <gildean>ah, you mean you need to migrate the data?
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20:29:28  <Ax_SeS>I dont mind not having the data migrated at this point.
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20:39:17  <TheAceOfHearts>tnorris: do you want me to generate you some evaluations so you can test the other parts of the page too :P?
20:40:01  <tnorris>TheAceOfHearts: if you do, then I'll give them a test.
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20:40:31  <TheAceOfHearts>do you have any email I can send em to? I just have a system when I input the email and it sends the eval link to that email
20:40:39  <TheAceOfHearts>any throwaway works
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20:42:23  <tnorris>TheAceOfHearts: trev(dot)norris(at)gmail(dot)com
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20:42:50  <TheAceOfHearts>kk, how many should I send @.@? Each email contains one link and it lets you submit one evaluation.
20:43:07  <tnorris>TheAceOfHearts: one should do for now.
20:43:12  <TheAceOfHearts>kk
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20:43:39  <TheAceOfHearts>sent
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20:45:43  <Ax_SeS>I got it running :)
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20:55:03  <Ax_SeS>Does anyone know how I can view /console.log/ with AppFog ?
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20:58:52  <Ax_SeS>Does anyone know how to view console.log()'s on AppFog?
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21:03:31  <TheAceOfHearts>from what I can see in Google
21:03:38  <TheAceOfHearts>try looking at: af logs <appname>
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