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00:06:17  <bulkan>Jahm_: download the package installer from nodejs site
00:06:34  <bulkan>or you use homebrew too
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00:08:55  <bulkan>Jahm_: how did you install it ?
00:09:07  <Jahm_>Through nodejs installer
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00:10:13  <mscdex>rickbol: yep, that's one way if you want to initialize it with raw bytes
00:10:23  <mscdex>rickbol: you can also supply a string and encoding
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00:11:50  <rickbol>mscdex: in specifying an array, do I bound the elements with [] ?
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00:18:49  <holzp>There really is no definitive structure for an Express app is there?
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00:21:35  <thomblake>Is there an obvious way to check whether an npm package is installed? npm list arglebargle exits 0.
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00:22:50  <holzp>ls -l node_modules/
00:22:53  <holzp>for local at least
00:23:03  <holzp>and shouldnt everything be local now?
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00:23:44  <thomblake>Not everything.
00:23:53  <thomblake>But npm list -g works.
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00:24:30  <thomblake>Yeah, a ls of node_modules works. But it seems like npm should have something to say about it.
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00:25:41  <holzp>npm --ll
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00:26:37  <holzp>npm ll
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00:27:00  <holzp>i was all flummoxed in --
00:27:08  <thomblake>Doesn't that just give you the same thing as npm list but with details?
00:27:09  <holzp>npm ll --help
00:27:13  <holzp>npm ls
00:27:29  <holzp>isnt that what you wanted?
00:27:43  <thomblake>No, that's what I was asking about in the first place.
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00:28:32  <thomblake>Yeah, that's a solution of sorts.
00:28:35  <holzp>you asked if ther was an obvious way to check if an nmp module was insalled, does that not check?
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00:28:50  <holzp>I guess the best way to check is to install it?
00:28:56  <holzp>if its installed it wont re-install?
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00:29:07  <thomblake>Yeah, that might work for some use cases.
00:29:29  <holzp>sounds like you are having a particular problem, but generalizing it here
00:29:31  <holzp>whats up?
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00:29:48  <thomblake>Nope, looking for a general solution so I know what I can do with tools.
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00:30:10  <thomblake>Someone was asking me about it in general and I thought it was weird that I couldn't come up with anything obvious.
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00:30:58  <thomblake>grep does work programmatically, so that's probably good enough.
00:30:59  <holzp>funny thing at this stage in node, perhaps they just havnt thought of it, perhaps request
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00:32:38  <holzp>is koa basically Express 4.0?
00:33:05  <thomblake>If you can do `npm ls | grep foo` then I don't think there's a need for a new npm feature.
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00:33:31  <thomblake>I've heard of those...
00:33:34  <holzp>npm ls --min
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00:33:39  <holzp>that would be ok
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00:35:07  <holzp>is anyone doing anything with koa?
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00:42:37  <holzp>anyone use couchdb?
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00:43:46  <styol>holzp: kind of but not really. Using Couchbase and it might be worth checking out
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00:45:32  <holzp>im was going to go with mysql strictly for historical fimilarity but suddenly couch looks promising
00:45:40  <beardtree>Couch is awesome
00:45:48  <holzp>im already this deep into js so fuck it yes?
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00:48:19  <styol>holzp: the javascript part is just to produce views of data that can be queried i believe
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00:59:55  <bartek>Anyone have an idea why "scripts": { "watch": "a command" } in package.json isn't caught? Is watch a reserved word? `npm watch` just brings up npm help
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01:03:43  <beardtree>Anyone use grunt-usemin?
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01:07:28  <overra>D:
01:07:30  <beardtree>...lol...
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01:08:17  <beardtree>yellow13: you can login without using nickserv by sending your password as the IRC password
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01:10:18  <yellow13>beardtree: thats what happens to people that dont read the faqs. thx
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01:14:05  <styol>bartek: perhaps try a different keyword to help isolate
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01:17:16  <bartek>styol: different keywords dont change it. so weird
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01:18:12  <styol>bartek: i suppose that would indicate that it is a different issue than originally anticipated
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01:18:27  <bartek>styol: Of course
01:18:34  <bartek>But npm isnt being very helpful :P
01:18:39  <bartek>It just ignores the command as a whole
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01:19:01  <styol>bartek: may I see an example package.json?
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01:19:48  <styol>bartek: and you're sure that "a command" executes properly when you run it without npm?
01:19:52  <bartek>styol: https://gist.github.com/bartek/bc35d0270f29deb2263f
01:20:09  <styol>bartek: missing , after build
01:20:22  <styol>and extra , after watch
01:20:23  <bartek>styol: ignore that, i fixed it, and its the same issue
01:20:26  <styol>ah ok
01:20:32  <bartek>styol: I mixed them up while playing with it, heh
01:20:50  <styol>bartek: roger.. so executing that command via cli works?
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01:21:41  <bartek>yessir
01:21:59  <styol>bartek: perhaps try specifying a path to those two files, might not change anything, but worth a try
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01:25:56  <bartek>erg :<
01:26:00  <bartek>annoying!
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01:32:33  <CorbinDallas>when I try and a node HTTP client to request data from a server I receive the error "{"code":"EMFILE","errno":"EMFILE","syscall":"connect"}" what on earth does that mean?
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01:44:25  <overra>CorbinDallas: too many open files according to SO
01:45:18  <r04r>does anyone have a reference implementation of http.Agent?
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01:46:28  <lucas_>hi
01:46:40  <lucas_>buenas noches
01:46:46  <fiws>hi
01:46:52  <lucas_>alguna comunidad de node.js
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01:48:14  <paulkon>lucas_: en efecto
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01:48:19  <jadams>is there a problem at present with npm?
01:48:27  <jadams>I keep getting weird / empty package.json downloads
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01:48:55  <jadams>ahh, removing my npm cache seems to have fixed it
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01:49:27  <jned>0 is false and null is false too?
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01:50:04  <prophile>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23981291
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01:50:53  <lucas_>hola
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01:51:01  <prophile>deprecate the https module :)
01:51:10  <lucas_>alguien que hable español
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02:01:52  <myndzi>jned: 0, null, undefined, and some other things are 'falsy'
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02:02:03  <myndzi>if you want to check strictly for false, use ===
02:02:17  <myndzi>>> false == 0
02:02:17  <purr>myndzi: (boolean) true
02:02:19  <jned>myndzi, thx
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02:02:22  <myndzi>>> false === 0
02:02:22  <purr>myndzi: (boolean) false
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02:02:40  <myndzi>google javascript falsy or something for a full list, i don't know for sure
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02:03:03  <myndzi>anyone know of a node module akin to 'xtend' that provides just some iterator functions for objects?
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02:03:34  <jned>I was looking at this line: var lookup = path.basename(decodeURI(req.url)) || index.html; so I guess if you visit '/' then path.basename returns null and so lookup will be index.html
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02:13:22  <gp5st>hello. I'm using any-db (but am open to switching), what is the best way to aggregate the responses to a query before returning from a function?
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02:14:53  <styol>bartek: I'm actually not super familiar with the scripts specification, but does it require doing an npm install before it works? guessing you already thought of that one
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02:15:26  <timoxley>gp5st: Array#reduce?
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02:15:47  <gp5st>timoxley: any-db seems to be based only on callbacks though?
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02:16:05  <timoxley>gp5st: wrap the callback in another callback
02:16:06  <styol>myndzi: async module
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02:16:19  <gp5st>timoxley: how does that help me block?
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02:16:43  <timoxley>you can't block but you can do some processing on the data before it calls the 'original' callback
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02:17:21  <timoxley>gp5st: e.g. if you have: db.query(query, callback)
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02:18:25  <timoxley>gp5st: you can wrap the callback: db.query(query, function(err, data) { callback(err, formatData(data)) })
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02:19:46  <gp5st>timoxley: yeah, i was hoping to do processing on all the results before returning. i'm trying to build a datastrucutre that'll later be returned via http
02:19:57  <gp5st>so it would return a json encoded array of the results
02:20:00  <gp5st>eg
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02:20:46  <timoxley>gp5st: you mean do processing in the db rather than in node?
02:20:55  <gp5st>no, in node
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02:21:08  <gp5st>i want to return all the results to the caller
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02:21:34  <timoxley>gp5st: yep, you'll need to wrap the callback
02:21:39  <timoxley>there is no other option.
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02:21:50  <gp5st>but how does that help me build an array?
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02:22:18  <timoxley>the query's callback will contain the data
02:22:22  <timoxley>transform it
02:22:32  <gp5st>the callback contains a single row, sorry
02:22:35  <timoxley>then pass the transformed data to the original callback
02:22:37  <timoxley>ahh
02:22:46  <gp5st>i wasn't clear on that to start; that's my fault
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02:22:48  <timoxley>you want to make multiple db queries
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02:23:18  <gp5st>the driver calls the callback for each row returned. I want to aggregate all the returned rows
02:23:46  <timoxley>gp5st: that seems bad, let me check out anydb
02:23:55  <gp5st>https://github.com/grncdr/node-any-db/blob/master/API.md
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02:24:04  <gp5st>i really hope i'm just missing something or not understanding something
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02:24:14  <gp5st>thanks for your help timoxley
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02:24:39  <gp5st>what do you use for a db connector? I'm not married to anydb, it's just what I came across
02:25:13  <timoxley>gp5st: what db are you connecting to?
02:25:20  <gp5st>postgres
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02:26:09  <timoxley>gp5st: there's a node pg driver IIRC
02:26:28  <timoxley>gp5st: npm install pg
02:26:47  <gp5st>i'll prob just move to that
02:26:50  <gp5st>thanks for your help
02:26:53  <timoxley>np
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02:37:43  <SinnerNyx>I'm using the chris lea PPA on my ubuntu server to install nodejs and npm. When I try to install npm on my 64-bit server image it fails with a bunch of lines of the following form: " npm : Depends: [packagenamehere] but it is not going to be installed"
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02:50:16  <Brett19>Anybody know why passing a string to v8 such as '123', then calling Handle<Value>::IsString returns false?
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02:51:11  <neeky> anybody use node to connect to SOAP web services? I have a god-awful soap service to interface to, and it does NOT look easy
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02:59:46  <SrPx>Is there a way to set globals only for my file? As in, "lib" has lots of functions and I want to be able to call "foo()" instead of "lib.foo()" inside my fire, but I don't want to polute the global namespace.
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03:02:00  <beardtree>SrPx: globals in your file are not globals everywhere
03:02:09  <beardtree>SrPx: only what is in module.exports is exporte
03:02:14  <beardtree>d
03:02:53  <SrPx>this is wrong, I am poluting the global namespace by using some global[...] = ... on my file
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03:03:09  <SrPx>at least the "window" object of a browser after browserifying it
03:03:13  <isaacbw>you can't put anything in global anyway
03:03:15  <neeky>SrPx, so, lib exports a function called "foo(var)" and you want to be able to call it via "foo"?
03:03:22  <neeky>vs. lib.foo?
03:03:28  <isaacbw>that's not a thing
03:03:40  <SrPx>neeky: yes
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03:04:45  <beardtree>SrPx: you didn't say browserify :)
03:05:16  <neeky>not really, that would be akin to 'inlining' another file i think, as in the compiler literally pastes the file in your file at compile time
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03:06:38  <neeky>SrPx, i just saw browserify -
03:06:49  <neeky>that's different, and I have 0 clue
03:07:07  <neeky>that probably DOES inline code
03:07:26  <beardtree>SrPx: if you want to have a 'global' in your browserified module, wrap it all with a closure
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03:08:47  <neeky>looks like my best bet is to use Mono to consume the SOAP web service, and expose some type on interface between a mono app and node
03:08:52  <neeky>that is going to suck
03:09:10  <neeky>s/on/of/
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03:09:38  <jned>everyone wants cms
03:09:41  <beardtree>neeky: not to mention the obvious but the first Google search result that shows up for 'node soap' is https://github.com/milewise/node-soap -- does that work?
03:10:01  <neeky>no, I fought with that lib for about a week
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03:10:11  <SrPx>beardtree: not so simple
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03:10:19  <neeky>it only handles the simplest of web service interfaces
03:10:30  <beardtree>SrPx: oh?
03:10:45  <jned>isn't everything in node already soap?
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03:11:02  <neeky>jned, wat?
03:11:08  <jned>json?
03:11:18  <neeky>soap != json
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03:11:33  <isaacbw>made in a proper copper coffee pot
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03:11:40  <chovy>isaacbw: chromatic
03:11:43  <neeky>isaacbw, what city are you in?
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03:11:54  <chovy>stevens creek blvd./lawrence
03:12:25  <isaacbw>neeky: nyc area
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03:12:30  <jned>neeky, you have more advanced stuff eh, did see see the book building hypermedia with htm5 and node, its great if you like couchdb
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03:12:45  <beardtree>isaacbw: FIKA on 28th and Park is pretty bomb
03:12:52  <neeky>those push carts don't serve good coffee?
03:12:59  <chovy>lol
03:13:03  <jned>I couldn't read it, went over my head
03:13:06  <chovy>their hotdogs are good.
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03:13:15  <beardtree>Psh
03:13:19  <beardtree>Always undercooked
03:13:21  <neeky>also, my 'proper' cup of coffee comes out of a french press
03:13:39  <neeky>jned, I'm a simpleton by nature
03:13:45  <chovy>what a bunch of high maintenance snobs.
03:13:58  <isaacbw>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XrAkPyStGg
03:14:07  <chovy>i'll get the coffee my wife makes, and I'll like it. Dammit!
03:14:19  <neeky>but this medical software company has written a god-awful 2003 SOAP interface to their application
03:14:40  <chovy>neeky: XMLRPC is making a comeback. Bitmessage uses it.
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03:15:18  <neeky>also, i'm doing mongodb, and have 0 complaints so far - nothing against couch db, it was just what i chose when it was time to choose
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03:16:01  <chovy>oh man, he's sick
03:16:01  <beardtree>Anyone use grunt-usemin?
03:16:06  <jned>mongo is more popular, I should go mongo way, but I am sticking with couchdb
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03:16:28  <beardtree>jned: +1 for Couch
03:16:29  <neeky>i'm knee deep in a require.js/backbone.js REST client at the moment
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03:16:43  <chovy>what is KB?
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03:17:03  <neeky>quite entertaining - I no longer think of a browser as 'not a application environment'
03:17:07  <neeky>Keyboard
03:17:20  <beardtree>Can someone recommend a Node.js version of ./manage.py collectstatic?
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03:19:49  <isaacbw>you'll write some goddamn SQL and you'll like it
03:19:57  <isaacbw>get back here
03:20:20  <neeky>i never got around to using a python framework, or really even learning Python
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03:20:53  <beardtree>Python's great but it's no Node
03:20:58  <chovy>heh
03:21:02  <chovy>it does XMLRPC well.
03:21:09  <chovy>and SQL.
03:21:15  <chovy>i'll pass.
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03:24:04  <mikeal>i wrote Python for 5 years
03:24:10  <mikeal>great language, terrible platform
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03:24:38  <chovy>not enough whitespace in the code
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03:24:56  <mikeal>haha
03:25:01  <mikeal>i loved Python syntax
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03:25:10  <chovy>i like my code to breath.
03:25:17  <mikeal>it's my asthetic, but the failures of Python are in the platform
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03:25:31  <beardtree>Python syntax >>>>> JS syntax
03:25:32  <jned>c'mon...python? Where am I?
03:25:47  <mikeal>it can't do concurrency, it has the worst package manager imaginable, terrible module system, bloated and broken stdlib
03:25:54  <mikeal>the list goes on
03:25:55  <beardtree>Only thing that sucks about Python syntax is lambda
03:26:03  <beardtree>mikeal: yes, all of those things
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03:26:36  <chovy>https://github.com/merlink01/PyBitmessage/blob/master/src/class_api.py
03:26:39  <mikeal>maybe if JavaScript forced you to name multi-line functions people would shut the fuck up about "callback hell"
03:26:41  <chovy>look around 113.
03:26:51  <chovy>its like one big run-on sentence
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03:27:29  <beardtree>chovy: wow that code is shit
03:27:35  <chovy>heh
03:27:37  <chovy>i wondered
03:27:40  <mikeal>that's just someone who wrote Java writing long ass names
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03:27:53  <beardtree>https://github.com/merlink01/PyBitmessage/blob/master/src/class_api.py#L169-L178 pure noob
03:27:55  <chovy>i thought that was a requirement for python. Long ass java names.
03:27:55  <mikeal>that's not Python's fault
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03:28:03  <chovy>i blame python.
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03:28:09  <chovy>the code at work is the same.
03:28:16  <chovy>our entire app is in one file.
03:28:17  <beardtree>No, Python likes short, descriptive variable names
03:28:29  <chovy>its like 75k lines
03:28:47  <mikeal>i blame Python for all kinds of things, but not these variable names
03:28:51  <chovy>but that might be a jdango thing too
03:28:55  <mikeal>you could do this in JS just as easy
03:29:05  <mikeal>django names tend to be smaller
03:29:15  <chovy>mikeal: i would have to shoot myself if i did that in js.
03:29:19  <beardtree>chovy: yeah, it's not a Django thing, it's a shitty programmer thing
03:29:24  <beardtree>Django is highly structured
03:29:27  <mikeal>also, Python standard is _, not came case, so this is clearly not someone who is *super* invested in Python
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03:29:58  <neeky>of all things, PHPs XMLRPC facilities are great
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03:30:21  <neeky>take about 3 lines of php to consume a .NET SOAP web service
03:30:29  <chovy>i like how they use 'bitmessagemain' everywhere.
03:30:36  <chovy>just call it 'self' or something.
03:30:41  <chovy>or just 'bm'
03:30:46  <mikeal>the problem with that strategy is that you're still consuming a .NET SOAP interface :P
03:30:50  <chovy>it just clutters up the code all over the place
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03:31:47  <chovy>its ashame they didn't use node/sockets for Bitmessage
03:32:14  <beardtree>chovy: any interest I had in Bitmessage is gone after this code
03:32:29  <mikeal>hahaha
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03:32:30  <chovy>i'm writing a node-webkit client for it
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03:34:54  <neeky>googled ".NET Node.js" and found this: tjanczuk
03:35:02  <neeky>sry: https://github.com/tjanczuk/edge
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03:36:03  <neeky>"How to: integrate C# code into node.js code" <- what heresy is this?
03:36:05  <chovy>why would you ever need that?
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03:36:08  <neeky>BURN HIM!
03:36:11  <chovy>neeky: exactly
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03:36:29  <beardtree>Can anyone recommend an equivalent to ./manage.py collectstatic for Node.js?
03:36:31  <neeky>my case might be the only one:
03:36:34  <chovy>"well, i'd rather write C# code, but node is cool"
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03:36:56  <neeky>i can easily consume SOAP in .Net, but not in js
03:37:09  <neeky>so I can call .NET libs from node
03:37:10  <chovy>neeky: there's no soap lib on npm?
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03:37:16  <neeky>not a good one
03:37:22  <chovy>oh
03:37:25  <neeky>they are all super simple cases
03:37:47  <neeky>that won't handle anything like a WSDL that has a bunch of imports
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03:38:03  <neeky>like this: http://webservice.kareo.com/services/soap/2.2/KareoServices.svc?wsdl
03:38:05  <chovy>MS leading the charge again I see.
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03:39:34  <neeky>what i'll probably do is compile a simple cli proxy in C#, call each web service function, and scrape the XML out
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03:39:51  <neeky>and then write my own XMLRPC client in node
03:40:04  <neeky>that is guranteed to break when they change the interface
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03:41:21  <Radar_>anyone else running into weird IV crypto issues on 0.10.17?
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03:41:27  <Radar_>i cannot get around this key length problem
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03:42:26  <Radar_>Using AES-256-CBC which uses an IV of 16 bytes
03:42:37  <Radar_>I make an IV of 16 bytes and Node-Crypto seems to think it is 10
03:43:10  <chovy>Radar_: no need for that anymore. NSA broke encryption.
03:43:21  <Radar_>lulz
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03:43:36  <beardtree>chovy: no they didn't
03:43:40  <beardtree>They circumvented it
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03:44:03  <Radar_>Ya. Cheating.
03:44:07  <neeky>whoah: wrap and entire .NET CLR Assembly: var clrMethod = edge.func({ assemblyFile: 'My.Edge.Samples.dll', typeName: 'Samples.FooBar.MyType', methodName: 'MyMethod' });
03:44:12  <chovy>its all facebook's fault
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03:44:20  <Radar_>However it still seems like symmetric encryption is still the way to go
03:44:21  <chovy>The Guardian doesn't lie.
03:44:34  <Radar_>which is why I'm even trying to work out this issue
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03:45:43  <Radar_>anyone see any issues with this:
03:45:45  <Radar_>var iv = new Buffer(crypto.randomBytes(256), 'utf8').toString('binary')
03:45:50  <Radar_>var cipher = crypto.createCipheriv('aes-256-cbc', 'passphrase', iv.slice(0,16))
03:45:58  <Radar_>because it doesn't work. fak.
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03:46:29  <Radar_>says my IV length is 10 when it is clearly 16.
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03:48:56  <beardtree>Radar_: says your key is 10 when it's clearly 10
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03:49:42  <Radar_>how so? I change that slice to (0,17) and it says invalid key length 17--expected. same thing when I change to one less
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03:50:22  <beardtree>Radar_: key, not IV
03:50:30  <beardtree>You need a 32-byte key
03:50:49  <Radar_>I am going to go ahead and ban myself from this place.
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03:51:09  <Radar_>Here I am looking at the IV error and not realizing that when I fix the IV I get the key error. >.>
03:51:10  <ssafejava>trolololol
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03:51:55  <Radar_>anyway.. thank you for pointing out that stupid mistake
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03:59:09  <andkore>why does npm install -g THING_I_JUST_INSTALLED seem to redo the install?
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04:01:00  <beardtree>andkore: do you see 304?
04:01:07  <andkore>on some of them
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04:02:47  <beardtree>andkore: what are you installing?
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04:02:54  <andkore>ungit
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04:04:28  <brianc_>just put this together: https://github.com/brianc/node-heroku-env
04:04:39  <brianc_>helpful if you use postgres on heroku
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04:08:29  <wwicks>lol awesome
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04:09:38  <SinnerNyx>I'm using the chris lea PPA on my ubuntu server to install nodejs and npm. When I try to install npm on my 64-bit server image it fails with a bunch of lines of the following form: " npm : Depends: [packagenamehere] but it is not going to be installed"
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04:14:12  <brianc_>god damn
04:14:17  <brianc_>sometimes I think npm is better than node
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04:14:42  <ssafejava>sometimes i think horses are better than beer
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04:15:35  <brianc_>only time horse is better than beer is when horse has 2 cases of beer strapped to saddle
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04:27:13  <rcombs>anyone know how one can read a file backwards, other than just chunking?
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04:27:48  <beardtree>rcombs: by chunking you mean seek(-50); read(50)?
04:27:51  <brianc>rcombs: search for something like "reverse string" on npmjs.org
04:28:04  <brianc>err...i mean "reverse stream"
04:28:09  <rcombs>brianc: this is a 1.4GB file; it's not going in a buffer
04:28:23  <beardtree>rcombs: https://github.com/soldair/node-fs-backwards-stream
04:28:51  <brianc>rcombs: understood
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04:30:39  <wwicks>I <3 SSE
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05:11:06  <monokrome>Does anyone have an idea how this could be possible? http://goo.gl/FqdbLa
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05:37:09  <brianc>hey all you heroku users: https://github.com/brianc/node-heroku-env
05:37:12  <brianc>#postgres
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05:49:25  <redwyrm>what would be a good project for a beginner?
05:49:41  <redwyrm>(beginner to node.js, not to JavaScript or to programming)
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05:50:56  <Draggor>what's something you want to do?
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05:52:33  <redwyrm>hmm, I'm not too sure. I'm interviewing for a job where they use Node.js a lot, and I wanted something to demonstrate what I could come up with on short notice
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05:53:09  <redwyrm>maybe something that's SSL-enabled (https)?
05:53:29  <paulkon>what's the standard way to handle DoS?
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05:53:52  <paulkon>I'm guessing there's a linux program which acts like a firewall to handle this
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05:55:51  <shimo>redwyrm: getting familiar with http://expressjs.com/ should take you pretty far
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05:56:58  <shimo>you might have to look around a little to find out how to structure your code for a larger app, there are many ways
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06:13:09  <Zak>whats the policy on "scripts" in package.json? is it considered bad-practice to use them?
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06:13:35  <Zak>and furthermore, is it bad to use "make" inside one of these scripts?
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06:14:34  <sky770>What does `Error on insertInvalid state; requests can only be made in the LoggedIn state, n ot the Final state` means ?
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06:14:57  <sky770>I am trying to insert multiple records in a table inside a ms sql server db
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07:22:28  <clu3>im trying to resize an image with 'easyimage'. This question is however not specific to easyimage, i wanna make sure the callback has been called (ie. the image has been resized) after calling easyimage.resize(blah blah blah), how can i achieve this?
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08:20:28  <oceanbreeze>Hello guys is it possible to build image gallery in nodejs?
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08:21:57  <Str1ngS>Why wouldn't it be?
08:22:16  <baaoe>Sure
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08:28:53  <eighty4>oceanbreeze: you should be able to build any site in node, however if it's the optimal language for what you want to build is not sure
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08:31:17  <oceanbreeze>Nice, maybe there are some exaples of such application? So ill can just adjust it to my needs?
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08:34:43  <frankblizzard>oceanbreeze: the book "node.js in action" actually uses an photo gallery application example. but i'm sure there are tons of examples online as well.
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08:35:37  <frankblizzard>its a pretty standard use case to upload and display images
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08:41:42  <oceanbreeze>yeh pretty standard
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08:43:24  <oceanbreeze>for views i would like to use html5 + css3 + some nice jquery
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08:44:33  <oceanbreeze>Its a good idea to have separated folders for each category of images?
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08:44:59  <oceanbreeze>Or shouild i put em all in one folder and mark thir categories as some ID?
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08:46:47  <frankblizzard>if you the category and path in a database it doesn't really matter
08:46:55  <frankblizzard>+ save
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08:47:31  <frankblizzard>you can give them a certain class in the view template depending on category for example
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08:47:51  <oceanbreeze>frankblizzard: yeh Frank, probably its a better idae to just sort em by DB ID's
08:48:13  <oceanbreeze>yeh exactly
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08:48:57  <oceanbreeze>Btw is there are a forum engine written for node web apps?
08:49:00  <oceanbreeze>liek phpbb
08:49:06  <oceanbreeze>or forem for rails
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08:50:15  <RLa>oceanbreeze, maybe you should use tags for images, not categories?
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08:50:37  <RLa>or organize them by upload date? :)
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08:50:44  <RLa>so many possibilities
08:50:54  <oceanbreeze>RLa: certainly i am not very familliar with node.js yet, sadly
08:51:12  <RLa>that's not nodejs question but usability
08:51:15  <oceanbreeze>RLa: I do some rails development in the past
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08:52:41  <RLa>and some users might want pretty paths for images
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08:52:58  <RLa>including non-ascii characters in paths
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08:53:46  <RLa>coretext_, that's rtl text?
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08:54:33  <coretext_>yup
08:54:36  <RLa>oh, i remember getting bug report that my blog engine does not support rtl text
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09:56:42  <dreuff>Hello all, i'm wondering which is the way to go to be able to send orders to a background running nodejs process via command line
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09:56:53  <dreuff>i mean exactly like you tell a running nginx server to reload its config file => /etc/init.d/nginx reload
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09:57:51  <dreuff>is it through posix signals ?
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10:04:23  <RLa>is npm registry having issues today?
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10:05:15  <bigkevmcd>dreuff: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/process.html#process_signal_events
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10:14:43  <DamMuNode>hello. I am using oracle database and I would like to use node.js. Is there driver comming anytime soon?
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10:22:55  <plokami666>DamMuNode: https://github.com/nearinfinity/node-oracle I found this. In the future, you can search for node modules on https://npmjs.org/
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10:23:38  <bnoordhuis>DamMuNode: also this: https://github.com/strongloop/node-oracle
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10:24:56  <plokami666>I think one of the two is a fork
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10:34:25  <gen4>yo guys!
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10:34:40  <gen4>i have stupid issue with npm
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10:34:43  <gen4>https://github.com/TooTallNate/node-gyp/issues/324
10:34:46  <gen4>here
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10:35:06  <gen4>can you help me figure out what the fant!
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10:36:53  <RLa>gen4, your python version?
10:37:05  <gen4>i try 2.7
10:37:08  <gen4>2.7.5
10:37:11  <gen4>2.6.3
10:37:18  <gen4>and 3.3
10:37:30  <RLa>i think it should be 2.7
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10:37:49  <gen4>now its 2.7
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10:39:00  <gen4>but no effect. meaby, npm (and gyp) use other version, not current in system. is it possible?
10:39:10  <RLa>i have no idea
10:39:16  <RLa>not using osx
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11:09:17  <RLa>which v8-profiler fork should i use for node 0.8?
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11:18:41  <shafox>how do you set up jade and stylus to work on requirejs ?
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11:25:56  <Neur0_o>Hi, everyone
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11:27:24  <Zak>does anybody do integration tests with node js here?
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11:27:56  <Neur0_o>there is what is the extension for sails.js for building data tables? With the ability to delete, edit, and save row
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11:29:04  <frankblizzard>how do you deploy a node app to a virtual private server, such as linode or ec2
11:29:22  <Zak>frankblizzard: i imagine you would use another tool like puppet to do that
11:29:43  <Zak>tbh, i would build some sort of package then deploy that
11:29:52  <frankblizzard>hmkay...
11:30:00  <frankblizzard>puppet i know from ruby world
11:30:00  <Zak>it depends on what sort of modules you were using i guess
11:30:06  <frankblizzard>heard of, that is
11:30:13  <frankblizzard>used capistrano there
11:30:21  <Zak>well, it depends if you're talking about one-off or automated
11:30:32  <Zak>you can just install node like you would normally, regardless of whether its an ec2 instance or not
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11:30:40  <frankblizzard>yeah i installed node
11:30:47  <Zak>but if you're talking about installing ec2 to a number of machines, then you would probably want to automate it
11:31:01  <Zak>even better, in your CI process, create an AMI then just deploy that
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11:31:23  <frankblizzard>basicaly i can just ssh into the server and git pull :) - but doesn't sound like best practive
11:31:39  <Zak>not for a number of machines, no
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11:32:07  <Zak>it also depends on the OS you've installed
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11:32:30  <frankblizzard>its an ubuntu vps
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11:37:59  <Lope>is it possible to read HTML and parse it in node?
11:38:08  <Lope>like doing DOM manipulation on it.
11:38:37  <hemanth>yes
11:38:57  <kwox>Lope, https://github.com/inikulin/parse5
11:39:19  <hemanth>jsdom maybe?
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11:39:49  <Lope>I've got a pre-existing HTML template. I want to read it, and modify it then serve it.
11:40:16  <hemanth>what mina template is it?
11:40:19  <hemanth>*kina
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11:41:12  <medice>quick, hemanth is suffering from a stroke. help him
11:41:39  <Lope>I haven't actually started using templates yet. I still need to choose a templating language.
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11:41:54  <hemanth>medice, heh heh is that a symptom of stroke :D?
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11:42:01  <Lope>I'm building a clientside app with a Restify node.js
11:42:13  <medice>well, suddenly losing ability to speak can be
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11:42:33  <hemanth>medice, heh heh, it can be ADD as well ;)
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11:42:55  <hemanth>Lope, http://paularmstrong.github.io/node-templates/
11:42:56  <medice>not sure if it translates to typoing online
11:42:56  <Lope>custom rolling my AJAX as I go. (I'm borrowing ideas from different frameworks like knockout)
11:42:57  <shafox>hi could someone take a look at these codes tell me whats wrong cause i am getting requirejs error having not found jade.js in public/javascripts/jade.js https://gist.github.com/shadow-fox/6462692
11:43:39  <hemanth>medice, ADD? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_deficit_hyperactivity_disorder
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11:46:20  <Zak>hey guys, looking at expressjs. I just noticed that there's a Makefile. This isn't very Windows friendly. I'm just wondering what the opinion is about supporting Node on Windows is?
11:46:21  <hemanth>help! medice might also be suffering from a stroke ;)
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11:46:41  <hemanth>Zak, cigwin?
11:46:41  <Zak>I'm not trying to cause any conflict, I'm just wondering whether I should be installing cygwin and following the Makefile pattern
11:46:52  <Zak>or.. whether I should be pursuing another way which is more Windows friendly
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11:47:31  <Zak>e.g. package.json "scripts"
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11:47:48  <Lope>hemanth: I noticed handlebars wasn't listed there.
11:48:01  <Zak>where is tj when you need him lol
11:48:04  <timoxley>Zak: node will be easier if you make it run it somewhere unixy
11:48:05  <Zak>i want to know his thoughts
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11:48:21  <Lope>most people mention handlebars as the go-to templating language. what templating language works nicely on client or server side?
11:48:42  <timoxley>Lope: handlebars?
11:48:48  <Zak>timoxley: sure, but I don't think encouraging practices which makes it difficult for Windows is a good idea
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11:49:04  <Zak>at least, that's my opinion. I understand there are some annoying things on Windows
11:49:29  <timoxley>Zak: you shouldn't need the make file anyway
11:49:46  <hemanth>yup
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11:50:11  <Zak>timoxley: yeah, it's more a question about nodejs modules in general
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11:51:12  <Zak>actually, i'm not even sure if node works nicely in cygwin. I remember trying it ages ago
11:51:29  <Zak>maybe if you recompile everything inside cygwin.. but i'm not really keen to do that
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11:52:30  <hemanth>i'm not a window$ user, but one my friend uses cygwin on windows and does work on express on a day to day basis, has not faced any major issues so far, Zak
11:52:59  <Zak>yeah, you need to recompile it in cygwin for it to work. I'm not keen on doing that (yet)
11:53:15  <Zak>ok, i'm going to continue on my own project without using a makefile for the moment
11:53:45  <Zak>i'm keen to follow what TJ's done in general, just because most of it is very well organised
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11:58:59  <MI6>joyent/node: Ben Noordhuis master * 81655a2 : test: don't call process.exit() in debugger tests - http://git.io/OtMUUw
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12:00:03  <bnoordhuis>Zak: cygwin is not supported. there are some things that don't work in a cygwin shell
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12:00:11  <bnoordhuis>notably anything to do with stdio
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12:07:19  <Lope>just looking at the help file for handlebars https://github.com/wycats/handlebars.js/
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12:08:17  <Lope>at "Block Helpers". I noticed there doesn't seem to be any context for the helper functions. the link function is getting registered on the Handlebars object.
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12:08:45  <Lope>Oh I suppose each page will initialize its own Handlebars instance.
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12:18:48  <chmac>Having real trouble getting node-mysql to survive connection timeouts. I've got it reconnecting, but I can't figure out the part around module.exports.connection = connection
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12:19:08  <chmac>Somehow when I reconnect, I think that my original connection value is not being reconnected, so now my code is using an out of date connection or something.
12:19:26  <chmac>Anyone have a link to an example of how to get it working within the context of a require() ?
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12:24:13  <jimmy__>im using nexttick and get error callback() undefined in process._tickcallback ,node.js lin 415 . please how to solve this problem? thank you
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12:29:27  <Lope>I've just checked out handlebars. looks pretty cool. any opinions on it?
12:29:34  <Lope>vs other templating languages?
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12:30:42  <frankblizzard>I love handlebars
12:31:02  <frankblizzard>didnt use it with node though
12:31:12  <frankblizzard>only on client side backbone apps
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12:31:27  <frankblizzard>but I think its more readable than e.g. jade
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12:31:48  <Lope>I'm building a client side app. I need to choose what templating language I'll use, and also if I will use some clientside UI framework or roll my own.
12:32:22  <Lope>rolling my own clientside UI framework is looking easy enough.
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12:32:56  <frankblizzard>depends on your css level I'd say
12:33:02  <Lope>I want small filesize for downloads into the browser
12:33:08  <frankblizzard>but yes, I moved away from things like bootstrap
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12:33:16  <Lope>I've had a designer create my CSS already.
12:33:28  <Lope>I just need to implement the code now.
12:33:44  <Lope>bootstrap disgusted me with its 60+ image files.
12:33:50  <frankblizzard>then go for it \o/
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12:34:18  <Lope>do u have any opinions on clientside frameworks?
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12:34:28  <Lope>I've had a little look at knockout. looks pretty cool.
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12:34:48  <Lope>I'd prefer to avoid using anything that requires jQuery.
12:34:56  <frankblizzard>I use backbone, never tried knockout
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12:35:08  <frankblizzard>i would look into angular if I was starting out though
12:35:10  <medice>probably worth it to use some, to standardise the view to model updates
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12:37:10  <Lope>Yeah backbone with Zepto (instead of jQuery) is only about 16k
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12:39:43  <Lope>I wonder why they left out handlebars from this: http://paularmstrong.github.io/node-templates/
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12:41:30  <spion>any recommendations for libraries that work with lists of homogeneous objects (i.e. relations or tables)?
12:42:16  <spion>such a library would have a function like groupInto(users, posts, {first: 'id', second: 'userId', as: 'posts'})
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12:45:11  <spion>it would take the list of users and add a new property 'posts' to each user in that list, containing a sub-list of posts that match by user.id == second.userId
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12:50:02  <atheken>Hi, I'm x-posting this from the nodejitsu room, just in case someone in here has some insight:
12:50:03  <atheken>Hi all, not sure if this is the right place to ask questions about the 'resourceful', but I'll throw it out there and see if anyone has any thoughts on this. I'm trying to use resourceful in the browser. Browserify will process the package, but I think (due to the way that the engines are dynamically required), the final package fails.
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13:16:21  <no_mind>I am using node-ysql to interact with mysql. I have two tables with one-to-many relationship. Now I want to return records from first table with all matching records from second table as an array field . How do I do this ?
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13:20:12  <MI6>joyent/node: Ben Noordhuis master * 756b622 : src: add multi-context support - http://git.io/pubtBQ
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13:21:20  <Sarang>Can you help me to intigrate node.js with php?
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13:57:58  <redondo>if I download a node package (e.g. a zip file) how should I install it?
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14:39:38  <LoneSoldier728>was just wondering if I am running (node app.js) how do i include an external file to run that is not an app.get/post
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14:40:17  <LoneSoldier728>do i wrap the file in a function initialization(cb) { the file } and then add export afterwards
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14:40:39  <mmoriarity>LoneSoldier728: not sure I understand what you're asking
14:40:41  <LoneSoldier728>and just call fileName.initialization()
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14:40:55  <LoneSoldier728>basically I have my socket.io code in my app.js file
14:41:03  <LoneSoldier728>and I want to move it to its own file
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14:41:10  <LoneSoldier728>to organize things better
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14:41:32  <mmoriarity>you can always do module.exports = function(...) { ... }
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14:41:47  <mmoriarity>then require it like require('./socket_module')(...)
14:41:54  <scripty>how to do unit test in node.js ?
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14:42:01  <redondo>How could I know the fields of an unknown received object?
14:42:07  <LoneSoldier728>ok
14:42:30  <redondo>I mean, methods, attributes.
14:42:32  <mmoriarity>LoneSoldier728: the module.exports rather than just exports part of that is important tho
14:42:50  <scripty>redondo ??
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14:43:31  <LoneSoldier728>the only part that might be a problem is that I have it listening to the server
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14:43:52  <redondo>I'm receiving as a response to a request an object which has error info, but don't know how to access that info, I want to know what that objects has inside.
14:43:59  <FunnyLookinHat>Do any of you have a good solution for using util.inherits() within the browser ?
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14:44:04  <LoneSoldier728>because I dont want to add all the requires('something')
14:44:08  <LoneSoldier728>on top again for it to use
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14:44:18  <LoneSoldier728>I want it to just use the things running off the app.js file
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14:44:42  <mmoriarity>LoneSoldier728: most requires should just be imported again. but the server instance should just be passed in to the function
14:44:55  <chapel>redondo: a few ways, for (var i in obj) {}
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14:45:10  <chapel>which iterates over all of the keys, though you should check obj.hasOwnProperty(i)
14:45:17  <chapel>otherwise you can iterate over prototypes and such
14:45:39  <scripty>it's clearly a js ques
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14:45:47  <chapel>redondo: the other way is to do Object.keys(obj) which returns an array of all keys (by default they are hasOwnProperty based)
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14:46:07  <redondo>scripty, you are right.
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14:46:19  <scripty>redondo i recently do require('util').inspect(obj)
14:46:22  <chapel>redondo: beyond that, you would just obj[i] or obj[key[0]] to access the data
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14:46:58  <redondo>chapel, scripty, and simply console.log( JSON.stringify(obj) )?
14:47:08  <LoneSoldier728>how do i pass the server instance this is the code for the server :
14:47:09  <LoneSoldier728>http://pastebin.com/g5UFdYJb
14:47:20  <chapel>redondo: well that works for logging
14:47:21  <LoneSoldier728>that is all the requires
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14:47:28  <LoneSoldier728>i would need to transport
14:47:31  <chapel>if you want runtime access, what I told you is how you would do that
14:47:43  <redondo>chapel, thanks buddy.
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14:48:22  <redondo>chapel, it is what I need, jus debugging.
14:48:27  <chapel>kk
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14:48:42  <chapel>util inspect is good, formats the data you pipe it
14:48:50  <chapel>you have to console.log(util.inspect(obj))
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14:49:02  <chapel>but you can control depth and what not
14:49:09  <mmoriarity>LoneSoldier728: depends how much of this your socket.io code needs, but i would probably move the require of socket.io to 'socket_io_module', and do something like require('./socket_io_module')(server), and have my module function be module.exports = function(server) { ... }
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14:49:19  <chapel>LoneSoldier728: mongoose = require('mongoose' is missing )
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14:49:36  <mmoriarity>hope that helps, i've gotta run
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14:50:00  <LoneSoldier728>kk thanks
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14:51:57  <scripty>redondo nope! As i already said use inspect
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14:52:34  <chapel>scripty: JSON.stringify works, but usually is the last thing I use
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14:53:23  <scripty>I never used JSON.stringify for that reason
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14:53:48  <chapel>scripty: it's useful because you get an overview of the whole object minus any functions or addons
14:53:52  <chapel>but not good for methods
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14:54:21  <chapel>scripty: you can just JSON.parse(JSON.stringify(obj)) to do a rudimentary clone
14:54:34  <redondo>scripty, chapel, good. thanks. I'm now using util.inspect...
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14:55:42  <scripty>chapel yeah
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14:57:55  <ddod>Does anyone know why my Express static dir is hanging at various times?
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14:58:35  <ddod>The rest of the page loads fine, but about 1/3rd of the time, the images from the static dir are just pending
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14:58:48  <redondo>hey, another question: somewhere in the modules i'm using there is a var http = require('http')... I need to substitute for var http = require('someother_package')... I thought that perhaps I would change the code of that module and then using it as a different module. But perhaps there is a way to do it in my code, without modifying the module's code. so?
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15:00:42  <LoneSoldier728>hm not working
15:00:56  <LoneSoldier728>how do i call server in the middleware file
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15:01:12  <LoneSoldier728>http://pastebin.com/g5UFdYJb
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15:01:29  <LoneSoldier728>anyone know without including it as a require how do i call server
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15:04:11  <jned>LoneSoldier728, that looks wierd
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15:06:15  <FrenkyNet>LoneSoldier728: you're missing a ) at line 6
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15:07:36  <LoneSoldier728>oh i know that is just to show what I would have to require
15:07:44  <LoneSoldier728>but I want to avoid server, express etc
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15:07:51  <FunnyLookinHat> Do any of you have a good solution for using util.inherits() within the browser ?
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15:08:00  <LoneSoldier728>trying to throw my sockets.io connection in another file
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15:12:13  <jned>LoneSoldier728, you can't use node in the browser
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15:15:06  <LoneSoldier728>kk nvm found a diff way
15:15:10  <LoneSoldier728>of doing things
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15:24:13  <petershaw>I throe an error with: throw new Error("index is reserved") and have to test is, but my script dies. I use mocha: chai.expect( method() ).to.throw(/index is reserved/) How can i pass this test?
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15:27:01  <Industrial>Hi. Anyone use node-canvas?
15:27:08  <Industrial>Error: the surface type is not appropriate for the operation
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15:27:15  <Industrial>google tells me tis a Cairo error
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15:30:03  <petershaw>OK, i have to wrap it into a function: chai.expect(function() { method() }).to.throw(/index is reserved/);
15:30:05  <petershaw>Thanx
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15:33:35  <xxtjaxx>Am I missunderstanding this: http://paste.debian.net/36037/ or did grunt just die on me because of a typo in the version dependency??
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15:34:34  <Shayanjm>xxjaxx - I'm pretty sure ~2.2.0rc should be valid
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15:36:36  <Shayanjm>xxjaxx - try rm -rf ~/.npm
15:36:36  <Shayanjm>and npm cache clean
15:36:38  <Shayanjm>and try again
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15:37:54  <Shayanjm>err, whoops. xxtjaxx ** wondering why my highlight wasn't working
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16:08:19  <crabdude>good morning internet people
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16:08:51  <ctorp>http://pastebin.com/DvsdYLSv (30LOC) returns a, b, c, c, c, c, instead of a,b,c,a,b,c .. Can anyone tell me how I can lock in the iteration value at L12?
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16:09:13  <crabdude>Has here anyone happened to gone down the path of maintaing domains in a socket pooling context?
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16:11:36  <niggler>why would you expect something different ctorp
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16:12:49  <niggler>!closure @ ctorp
16:12:56  <niggler>oh wait not ##javascript
16:13:09  <FunnyLookinHat>heh
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16:13:55  <ctorp>How can I lock the scope in this case? I tried using a wrap similar to what I saw here: http://blog.mixu.net/2011/02/03/javascript-node-js-and-for-loops/
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16:15:19  <niggler>you can call a function
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16:16:16  <niggler>queries[i] = (function(j) { return function(callback) { /* your code here, except using j instead of i */ }; })(i);
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16:17:41  <ctorp>hmm. i just tried connection.query('call '+lockScope(i), function(err, rows){.. I will do it the way you recommend because this was met with failure
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16:18:08  <ctorp>lockScope(iter) { return sto_procs[iter]; } didn't work
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16:22:55  <ctorp>niggler: Is the (function(j){})() format named anything special? I'm not too familiar with wrapping functions with paranthesis and a variable afterwards
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16:23:41  <zomg>ctorp: that's usually called an IIFE, immediately invoked function expression
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16:24:08  <ctorp>zomg: thanks! I'll google that
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16:25:50  <LoneSoldier728>ok so i got a query working and socket emiting the info
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16:25:56  <LoneSoldier728>now how do I go about making it real time
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16:26:06  <LoneSoldier728>meaning if the query changes based on other action
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16:41:09  <xxtjaxx>Uhmm https://npmjs.org/package/http and require('http') seem to be different things on my box. How do I find which of the 2 I have required/used?
16:41:25  <niggler>that shouldn't exist
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16:42:11  <xxtjaxx>niggler: which one?
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16:42:36  <niggler>but xxtjaxx you can just require('http') and then look at Object.keys(require.cache)
16:42:52  <niggler>xxtjaxx the package you linked to (http) shouldn't exist if it is in core
16:43:18  <xxtjaxx>niggler: why is http on npmjs xhrgo?
16:43:22  <xxtjaxx>looks like a bug
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16:44:02  <niggler>no it must have been called http once, then published as xhrgo but http wasn't removed
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16:45:52  <niggler>then its using the core module
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16:47:21  <LoneSoldier728>anyone know how i can push realtime changes to socket
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16:47:53  <LoneSoldier728>so socket knows to do something with it
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16:48:00  <LoneSoldier728>to push it back to the client
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16:48:44  <ra21vi>i installed lastest 0.10 x86 version of nodejs on my windows 7 64-bit, but node --version shows 0.8.x
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16:52:45  <kelonye>hi, cause of http://hastebin.com/defosukoye.js ?
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16:55:30  <huf>most likely you have no binary called 'echo hello' in your $PATH
16:55:33  <huf>this is fairly normal
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16:55:57  <kelonye>huf: but exec works?
16:56:01  <niggler>spawn and exec take different arguments kelonye
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16:56:24  <huf>kelonye: read the documentation of spawn and exec and compare
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16:56:42  <huf>one takes args in an array, the other quite clearly says: command String The command to run, with space-separated arguments
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16:57:44  <huf>also who the hell decided to call a shellout function "exec".... brilliant idea, let's confuse everyone utterly.
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16:58:09  <kelonye>niggler: huf: well, i used the example from the docs .. which still fails .. http://nodejs.org/api/child_process.html#child_process_child_process_spawn_command_args_options?
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16:59:03  <ericelliott_>huf: why is exec confusing?
16:59:23  <huf>because normally you'd exec to replace the currently running process with a new one
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17:00:11  <huf>the only place where exec() is similarly confusing is php (that i can think of)
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17:00:45  <huf>of course node's fork() is odd too
17:00:46  <jned>exec is for running a shell command, I think spawn is recommended instead though
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17:00:58  <huf>but then, implicit event loop sadness. oh well.
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17:01:11  <jned>I used exec, it worked as expected
17:01:16  <niggler>kelonye http://hastebin.com/hoxirotaso
17:01:20  <niggler>oh he logged out
17:01:29  <huf>jned: i'd expect exec() to work as it generally does on POSIX
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17:01:45  <jned>dunno, I used the node docs
17:01:56  <huf>oh sure, i read it before trying stuff
17:01:59  <huf>and so i know it's odd :)
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17:02:47  <jned>with exec you can run a shell command, it didn't work for you?
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17:03:34  <huf>that's what i would've expected to find. but alas. as i said, oh well.
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17:05:25  <jned>huf, huh, why are you doing man exec, you have to look at the node docs, its a node command, the bash exec is something else. Are you writing shell scripts or node scripts. When you write bash scripts, then use man exec, when you are writing node scripts, use the node docs
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17:05:45  <huf>*sigh*
17:05:51  <huf>man 3 exec is not a shell command
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17:06:12  <huf>it's a libc call. exec() does this sort of thing in most languages that have any kind of binding to the POSIX api
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17:07:36  <jned>huf, you are reading the wrong manual buddy, lol
17:08:02  <huf>what part of what i said was unclear?
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17:08:46  <jned>what's man 3 exec, I never heard of it, is it in the node docs, do you have a link?
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17:10:16  <jned>huf, you are saying the as a programming languages, node is not conforming to the best standards, because exec is not as specifications?
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17:11:10  <huf>this isnt a standard, it would just be nice. i see no reason to mislead people who are coming from another language. calling something that isnt the wrapper of the exec* syscalls "exec" is misleading.
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17:11:14  <huf>that is all.
17:11:52  <jned>it's not even a standards, you are just talking about your mood, oh c'mon, get over it then,
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17:12:58  <jned>lots of things go over my head, I just try something simpler, and go back to it later
17:13:04  <huf>it's as if process.exit() did something odd.
17:13:07  <huf>instead of exiting.
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17:13:41  <huf>nothing wrong with what node's child_process.exec() does, i'd just be a bit happier if it was called something that wasnt "exec". that is all i'm saying.
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17:14:21  <jned>I think its better to use spawn for some reason
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17:28:14  <windsurf_>say I had a hello world module that I can use with require() in node. Is it true that this would not necessarily work with require() in a client-side app with require.js?
17:28:49  <windsurf_>seems to be the case with a library that i'm trying to use in both places – works in node and works in client app but not with require.js
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17:29:10  <windsurf_>(require.js loads it but puts the object into the global namespace)
17:29:13  <RLa>i think require.js uses AMD not CommonJS
17:29:26  <windsurf_>i actually thought they were kind of synonymous
17:29:46  <RLa>no, commonjs loads sync, amd is async
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17:30:06  <RLa>but there are various adapters/converters between module systems
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17:31:07  <RLa>there's also umd which should cover both of them
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17:31:15  <RLa>and possibly es6 import too
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17:33:32  <windsurf_>k. reading in stack overflow, it looks like there might be a wrapper call i can put around this script to make it work with AMD maybe?
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17:36:57  <jenjiskan>hey anyone interested in testing a new beta website? PM me if so :P
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17:42:54  <LoneSoldier728>any socket understanding ppl
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17:43:28  <etcetera>is there a super lightweight ORM for node that supports postgres?
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17:43:50  <brianc>how light weight are we talking?
17:44:06  <brianc>do you want actual model objects or just javascript dictionaries
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17:46:00  <niggler>brianc assume that vaporjs is too heavy
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17:46:55  <etcetera>brianc: model objects would be good.
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17:47:07  <brianc>i dunno what vaporjs is
17:47:15  <brianc>i honestly just use node-postgres directly
17:47:18  <etcetera>something like this: https://github.com/SamSaffron/dapper-dot-net
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17:47:55  <etcetera>Obviously, it's hard to construct a model without any type attributes in JS.
17:48:02  <brianc>yeah
17:48:11  <brianc>i use node-sql as well sometimes
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17:50:57  <etcetera>this seems pretty popular
17:50:58  <etcetera>https://github.com/1602/jugglingdb
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18:02:09  <LoneSoldier728>hey so i have notification count changing based on different events in my middleware but I was wondering how I can make socket aware of that and emit the new notification
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18:02:38  <etcetera>I guess I'm looking for an ORM that allows me to work with a simple object model that I might already have
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18:06:32  <naquad>which module should i use to untangle (or at least make it less "spaghetti"-like) asynchronous code? i heard about async (https://github.com/caolan/async), but what do seasoned node.js devs are using?
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18:09:39  <EyePulp>naquad: async is very nice, but simple refactoring can go a long way
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18:10:19  <naquad>EyePulp, i've got a pretty complex thing coming. writing alternative hosting panel that scales easy and well. so "simple" is not the case
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18:12:02  <EyePulp>naquad: "simple" means identifying your deeply nested callbacks and turning them into more modular functions. then you can weave them together with async, (when appropriate).
18:12:30  <naquad>in that meaning of course yes
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18:14:08  <EyePulp>but your use case is too vague to be much more than general and say "yes" to async being useful. Solving complexity almost always means reducing modules to more singular (simpler) capabilities and orchestrating their use in a more readable manner.
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18:14:36  <naquad>also maybe not a smartest question, but still: can i use Socket.IO client functionality from node.js? i'll have UI connecting to backend via Websockets, but backend must be somehow connected to another parts of the system
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18:15:06  <EyePulp>naquad: yes - socket.io has a client that can run under node
18:15:12  <naquad>thank you
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18:15:49  <naquad>not sure it's the best idea, but i don't see much options plus Socket.IO provides awesome event system so I won't have to bother about message parsing
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18:20:49  <SinnerNyx>If I use the 'forever' package, on a virtualbox to monitor a network mounted directory, will it fail epically? Is there some way to have it poll the files to check for changes?
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18:22:03  <LoneSoldier728>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18664184/how-to-past-changes-from-middleware-to-socket-io-node-js
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18:22:06  <LoneSoldier728>anyone understand that
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18:25:39  <beardtree>rhalff: reset --hard will move the current branch to HEAD^
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18:27:13  <owen1>is there a way to uglify my js and see it non-uglified in the browser or is it better to only uglify on production?
18:27:14  <rhalff>beardtree, so my code is still somewhere? I made several scripts and they are gone now, I'm a total noob with git, all I ever do is commit
18:27:28  <beardtree>rhalff: git reflog
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18:27:59  <rhalff>I did this:
18:28:01  <rhalff>ec9c332 HEAD@{0}: reset: moving to HEAD^
18:28:01  <rhalff>50cfaa3 HEAD@{1}: commit: build some test
18:28:33  <beardtree>You can checkout 50cf if you want the commit HEAD was pointing to before
18:28:34  <rhalff>guess I have to read the git manual again
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18:28:51  <rhalff>beardtree, ok thanks :)
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18:29:23  <beardtree>rhalff: word of advice: avoid git pull
18:29:26  <beardtree>Unless you understand what it does
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18:30:44  <beardtree>owen1: you can use source maps
18:31:07  <beardtree>owen1: you can use grunt-usemin to only uglify on production
18:31:22  <owen1>beardtree: heard about sourcemaps but never used them.
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18:35:33  <naquad>any holywars to read on sequelize.js vs node-orm? googling for it, but no luck yet
18:35:48  <beardtree>naquad: bookshelf.js
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18:36:38  <naquad>any reasoning how is it better than node-orm or sequelize?
18:36:58  <beardtree>naquad: more modular, better API
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18:37:10  <naquad>seems legit. thanks, will use it
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18:37:57  <tgriesser>naquad: also it supports transactions
18:38:10  <naquad>and that gives it 100% win
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18:38:36  <naquad>thanks for info, tgriesser
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18:39:27  <tgriesser>naquad: sure thing, it's missing some things the others may have like validations, but provides hooks to to that yourself, should get much more feature complete over the coming months as i finish it up
18:39:45  <tgriesser>wanted to focus on the important parts, like transactions and relations / eager loading first
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18:57:31  <shafox>anyone can provide me with a full featured requirejs config file ? need to reference it for my next project. i am using bower and grunt to manage my package and automate javascript task respectively
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19:02:00  <heath>shafox: did you see https://github.com/jrburke/r.js/blob/master/build/example.build.js
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19:02:47  * heathrecalls about 2 years ago someone mentioned had to close off a statement within node without using ctl-c
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19:09:48  <rrmartins>سمووحخ □□□ خ □□□ خ □□□ خ امارتيخ □□□ خ
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19:10:17  <brimstone>srsly? this is a daily event
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19:14:20  <shafox>heath: what i dont understand is the shim . what does it do ?
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19:20:30  <MI6>joyent/node: Ben Noordhuis master * b89b97d : src: fix multi-base class ObjectWrap::Unwrap<T>() - http://git.io/Jksnnw
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19:26:57  <jesusabdullah>yo is there a good way to mock out a tcp socket?
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19:27:13  <jesusabdullah>cause beyond shimming the shit out of a stream I got nothin'
19:27:20  <jesusabdullah>(streams2 is annoying. There, I said it.)
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19:40:52  <LoneSoldier728>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18664184/how-to-pass-changes-from-middleware-to-socket-io
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19:44:36  <ori-l>hey. in node 0.10+ a udp socket's bind() is async and takes a callback. in earlier versions it's synchronous. is there a bullet-proof, version-independent way of calling sock.setBroadcast(true) at the right time?
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19:45:09  <ori-l>in versions <0.10 it's sock.bind(); sock.setBroadcast(true); -- in 0.10+ it's sock.bind( function () { sock.setBroadcast(true); } );
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19:45:28  <mlebrun>LoneSoldier728: is that your question? could you/they just use an event emitter? I have a project where I emit different events based on different requests, and then the EE acts almost as a proxy
19:45:49  <mlebrun>i wouldn't say i completely understand the question though
19:45:51  <postitnote>Anyone here use node-loggly? It appears to use the old loggly service with inputs rather than sources?
19:46:34  <postitnote>Also depends on winston-loggly which has a horrible memory leak? Aye.
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19:47:54  <postitnote>Sorry, scratch that last one. Was reading "dependENTS" heh
19:47:56  <astropirate>how do i get all request headers for logging, from express3?
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19:52:07  <postitnote>astropirate: You might want to log a request to console and find it…it's probably in there under header or something. I've noticed some things aren't on the api docs. like req.method…I guessed and there it was.
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19:55:08  <LoneSoldier728>mlebrun ya it is my question
19:55:09  <astropirate>thats a good idea postitnote
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19:55:27  <LoneSoldier728>and how can i use an event emitter from my route file
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19:55:36  <LoneSoldier728>to be called in the socket
19:55:46  <LoneSoldier728>im confused as about how to go about that
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19:58:18  <mlebrun>LoneSoldier728: yea, that's what I'm thinking about now. I didn't have a route file
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19:59:29  <mlebrun>LoneSoldier728: but in your main app file, couldn't you create the EE in there, and then pass it to connect via a custom middleware function? so that every request or certain requests have access to it?
19:59:40  <mlebrun>so then you could have different requests emit different events.
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20:00:32  <mlebrun>LoneSoldier728: where are your socket event listeners?
20:00:50  <postitnote>Is there something better than Loggly that everyone uses?
20:01:08  <mlebrun>LoneSoldier728: are they in your main file? or somewhere else?
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20:01:21  <bradgignac>postitnote: logstash + kibana is nice for hosting your own
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20:02:10  <postitnote>bradgignac: Thanks. Just found spunk but they don't have a free tier.
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20:02:34  <postitnote>Loggly's free tier is 200MB/day with 7 day lifespan. That's a lot of logging heh.
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20:03:10  <postitnote>7 day lifespan is short but I'm mainly using it for alerts and to identify problems leading up to alerts.
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20:03:48  <postitnote>And babysitting OAuth providers heh
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20:04:39  <postitnote>oh not "spunk" I mean "spLunk" dirty auto-correct wtf
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20:06:21  <bradgignac>postitnote: yeah. i've used both loggly and splunk in the past. we went with logstash + kibana for my current project because we ship ~10GB of logs daily
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20:07:12  <LoneSoldier728>sorry i didnt see ur message for some reason
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20:07:32  <postitnote>bradgignac: Did you use node-loggly back then or just use the REST api directly?
20:07:48  <LoneSoldier728>mlebrun i am actually not sure how to use it, but ya my socket.on is in my main file app.js
20:07:48  <bradgignac>i still use loggly for some other stuff
20:07:56  <bradgignac>i mostly use rsyslog -> loggly
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20:08:18  <bradgignac>all applications and services log to syslog, and syslog handles shipping
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20:09:48  <bradgignac>postitnote: ^^
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20:10:15  <DTrejo>anyone seen a problem with npm where the cb() isn't called and then npm publish fails?
20:10:15  <mlebrun>LoneSoldier728 yea, i didn't see your message either that time. weird. but yea, so you would create a simple instance of an EventEmitter in your main file, which you could use within socket bindings and listen for specific events and when that event is triggered, emit to the socket. are you using just base Connect?
20:10:25  <postitnote>bradgignac: Sorry, got that but was reading. Would you use node-syslog? I didn't even think about this.
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20:11:25  <LoneSoldier728>ya just require('connect')
20:11:32  <bradgignac>i usually just have my apps write to stdout. upstart/runit/init.d can handle writing to the appropriate log files or syslog.
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20:11:35  <etcetera>anyone on a good lightweight ORM that supports postgres?
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20:11:44  <bradgignac>syslog can also just watch a log file on disk and forward it
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20:11:52  <etcetera>I really like massive-js, but it's doesn't have much traction: https://github.com/robconery/massive-js
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20:12:14  <postitnote>bradgignac: Thank you so much.
20:12:19  <LoneSoldier728>how does an eventEmmiter work is it another npm?
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20:12:32  <bradgignac>i'm sure others have very different opinions on the "right" way to log
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20:17:14  <Guest48248>is it possible to manually set the key of an array ? as in array[6657] = foo ?
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20:17:47  <werle>DiegoMax: yes
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20:20:18  <tneutron>so is there a way to have node allocate more ram rather 1.5gb where mine maxes out?
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20:21:49  <hotch>LoneSoldier728: it's part of node core, you can extend your object(s) with it
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20:23:14  <tneutron>extend my objects with what?
20:23:44  <DiegoMax>and what is the correct way to check if a an array contains a value for xxx key ?
20:23:58  <DiegoMax>if (array[key] !== null) ???
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20:24:24  <tneutron>I tried workers and opening up my other core. But the problem runs into I have 51750 crawlers being sent out and saving data it maxes the ram usage pretty quick
20:24:32  <tneutron>and @DiegoMax yes
20:24:35  <tneutron>that is correcty
20:24:40  <tneutron>correct*
20:24:41  <DiegoMax>thanks
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20:25:54  <tneutron>workers save the data twice. so should I split the requests in half per core?
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20:27:34  <petersha_>How can i design a function, that returns a value that is set in a callback?
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20:28:55  <DTrejo>impossible!
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20:30:09  <rickbol>i just "npm install Dissolve", which installed under <user>/node_modules, but my script can't find the salient file, index.js ??
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20:31:05  <Ice_Strike>I have been reading about Node.js and benefit of that is real time communication. How does that compare with ajax request?
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20:31:24  <petersha_>DTrejo: hm. maybe async...?
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20:31:45  <DTrejo>you need to call back with the value, not return the value
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20:32:01  <DTrejo>allows you to accomplish the same thing
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20:33:08  <petersha_>i have to call this async method, but my outa function is a normal return one. I can not use cb in this parrent fn, API-Design, calling methods are done.
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20:34:00  <DTrejo>you will need to make the outer function async as well
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20:34:40  <nexxy>or just not call the sync function until the async function has called back
20:34:47  <nexxy>whichever
20:35:03  <nexxy>is anyone going to Dublin this week?
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20:35:35  <rickbol>ah, guess node module pathing expects the module name to be the same as the host directory name. require("dissolve/index"); found it.
20:36:02  <nexxy>rickbol, require('dissolve') should work too
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20:43:02  <rickbol>nexxy: hmm, there's no dissolve.js under dissolve, so how does node know which js file to execute? package.json->main: ?
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20:47:20  <nexxy>rickbol, it will default to looking for an index
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20:48:03  <nexxy>https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/module.js#L117-L125
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20:49:38  <basichash>When I try to install derbyjs, I get this error: http://pastebin.com/bB6ax3Qa
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20:51:31  <Typo>http://www.dragoninnovation.com/projects/22-tessel --- Very cool little peice of hardware, like an arduino nasically but programmable with JS/Node.JSD
20:51:36  <Typo>-D
20:51:38  <Typo>;p
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20:55:38  <harrisonm>basichash: is derby compatible with node 0.6.x? You should probably upgrade
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20:58:32  <basichash>harrisonm: Can I install node using npm?
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20:59:23  <duch_kazatel>i...
20:59:25  <duch_kazatel>that question..
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20:59:34  <harrisonm>basichash: no. Are you using ubuntu or some variant?
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20:59:43  <basichash>harrisonm: 12.04
21:00:07  <harrisonm>Alright, you're going to want to set up the node.js ppa, the node in the official ubuntu repositories is way outdated
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21:00:23  <harrisonm>https://launchpad.net/~chris-lea/+archive/node.js/
21:00:41  <harrisonm>This one tends to stay up to date and works great for me
21:00:49  <basichash>thanks
21:00:59  <harrisonm>no problem
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