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00:00:10  <taternuts>HeadFirst is good for beginners, it's easier to read for newer programmers
00:00:22  <taternuts>tries to be interesting while introducing concepts
00:00:25  <andrewrk>thanks
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00:00:51  <isaacbw>does using gnu java libraries have similar issues to using gnu c libraries
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00:01:06  <isaacbw>or can you pretty much be comfortable using a gnu jar in a commercial project without issue
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00:01:30  <taternuts>andrewrk: tell your friend to check out #learnprogramming for any general programming questions
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00:02:23  <isaacbw>nevermind, this is lgpl anyway
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00:08:01  <terminusbound>uber.com/invite/vkjaj <--- FREE $20 CREDIT for Uber(Taxi Service) that you can use anytime, in case you havent signed up yet.
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00:08:22  <beardtree>It makes the npm CLI prettier
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00:09:39  <taternuts>I see a lot of that stuff in this channel, I wonder why
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00:10:08  <isaacbw>lots of people here
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00:19:48  <andrewrk>thanks taternuts
00:20:11  <taternuts>yep, np
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00:26:51  <isaacbw>you have to "search an image"?
00:26:52  <myndzi>do i need to do that manually, or is there a way i can do it that will let express handle the details?
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00:26:56  <myndzi>serve
00:26:57  <myndzi>haha, sorry
00:26:58  <isaacbw>oh
00:27:00  <isaacbw>lol
00:27:11  <wallerdev>maybe use opencv for your image searching
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00:27:24  <myndzi>i have an id i can use for an Etag
00:27:27  <Monkeytoe>Hello, I have coded up a little function that allows me to connect to a remote api. It works fine as far as connecting and sending api commands and receiving them. The only problem is if the remote api server shuts down the node.js server will throw an error. How do I code an event handler for that situation? Here is my little function. http://pastebin.com/d5bXGJzM
00:27:53  <myndzi>if i set the e-tag and it's the same as the client request will express return a 304?
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00:41:01  <Shayanjm>anyone here from the PHP world?
00:41:10  <Shayanjm>might have an opportunity to make some extra $$
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00:41:12  <mdel>unfortunatley :)
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00:41:35  <Shayanjm>mdel: PM? :)
00:41:43  <mdel>php 9-5, nodejs and ruby every other hour of the day
00:41:49  <mdel>yeah sure
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00:45:03  <dmarr>is there any way to pass arguments to an npm script? say i have "test": "mocha". i'd like to do npm test -g 'some test'
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00:45:32  <Monkeytoe>is there anything wrong with this ? sys.debug('unable to connect to ', ip);
00:45:42  <isaacbw>what's sys
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00:46:26  <Monkeytoe> sys.debug('unable to connect to ' + ip);
00:46:27  <Monkeytoe> });
00:46:30  <Richhh>shortcut key to cancel a line in the REPL?
00:46:36  <Monkeytoe>should I change that to client.debug?
00:46:45  <Monkeytoe>client is var client = new net.Socket();
00:46:47  <isaacbw>what would that do
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00:48:04  <Monkeytoe>im trying to get it to handle the error event when a connection times out... this is the little function I have http://pastebin.com/CjGKhCLP
00:48:21  <isaacbw>but why are you trying to call debug on things
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00:48:42  <Monkeytoe>I was hoping it would print a debug command to the cli
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00:49:03  <Monkeytoe>like when you connect with a socket how it say stuff like
00:49:06  <Monkeytoe>debug - websocket writing 2::
00:49:06  <Monkeytoe> debug - set heartbeat timeout for client HkeM807Xq0_KNWaM2CXN
00:49:06  <Monkeytoe> debug - got heartbeat packet
00:49:06  <Monkeytoe> debug - cleared heartbeat timeout for client HkeM807Xq0_KNWaM2CXN
00:49:21  <Monkeytoe>I was wanting to add my own debug line
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00:49:42  <isaacbw>check the API for functions instead of just calling things and hoping it does something
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00:49:59  <isaacbw>http://nodejs.org/api/net.html#net_class_net_socket
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00:57:51  <spronk>what's the convention in terms of local-only modules? where do i put them and how should i require them in? is there a default place outside node_modules for this sorta stuff to go?
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01:01:25  <myndzi>all modules used in a project are local
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01:01:42  <myndzi>the "global" installation is solely for the purposes of installing npm packages to your system as binaries
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01:01:48  <myndzi>that is, when they provide commands like express or grunt do
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01:02:28  <\malex\>pwd
01:02:30  <spronk>sorry, bad terminology
01:02:30  <\malex\>oops
01:02:39  <spronk>i've written my own file that exports an object
01:02:45  <DSKrepps>spronk: https://gist.github.com/branneman/8048520
01:02:45  <spronk>it's not an npm module or package
01:02:50  <myndzi>ah
01:02:55  <myndzi>most people seem to use a 'lib' directory
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01:03:05  <spronk>ah yep
01:03:07  <myndzi>you can require it explicitly by path
01:03:20  <myndzi>from the project base, require('./lib/mything')
01:03:27  <spronk>i've got a file templateRenderer.js in my /lib folder
01:03:34  <myndzi>or from the lib dir, you still need to include the path: require('./mything')
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01:04:18  <myndzi>/lib is an absolute path
01:04:31  <spronk>absolute as in not from project base?
01:04:40  <myndzi>more likely you want require('../../lib/templateRenderer')
01:04:41  <myndzi>correct
01:04:44  <spronk>ah ok
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01:07:24  <spronk>is there syntax for project base dir?
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01:08:58  <DSKrepps>There is no "project root" in node really. The link I sent gives an overview of ways people are accessing their local project modules.
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01:09:26  <spronk>oh well
01:09:29  <spronk>guess i'll pick one
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01:10:39  <DSKrepps>I thought this looked pretty clean, so I built it, not really sure if its a good idea yet though: https://github.com/DSKrepps/requireFrom
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01:12:26  <\malex\>DSKrepps: that looks cool
01:12:49  <spronk>oo
01:12:52  <spronk>thyis does look nice
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01:13:36  <\malex\>DSKrepps: it would be cool if it coudl also parse a section from package.json, so you could do rf = require("requirefrom"); var myView = rf.views("myView.js")
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01:15:12  <DSKrepps>Hmm.
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01:15:51  <\malex\>DSKrepps: you're saying send a merge request? heh
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01:20:11  <DSKrepps>Researching.
01:20:22  <isaacbw>INITIATIN RESEARCH SUBROUTINE BEEP BOOP
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01:21:46  <DSKrepps>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/npm-/hAoPAPz4J1k
01:22:00  <DSKrepps>It looks like this used to be a feature of NPM years ago.
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01:22:18  <DSKrepps>npm*
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01:23:06  <isaacbw>chicken noodle soup in my tummy yummy yummy
01:23:21  <\malex\>DSKrepps: i don't think that's strictly the same
01:23:39  <\malex\>DSKrepps: it looks like that's prepending a static path to everything?
01:24:07  <\malex\>or you have to specify the path for every module
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01:29:57  <DSKrepps>Why don't I just fork it into another repo and publish it as requireFromPkg or something?
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01:31:48  <\malex\>why bother?
01:31:56  <DSKrepps>Why not?
01:31:58  <\malex\>why not just add the few lines to this?
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01:33:07  <\malex\>so you could still do var rf = require("requirefrom"); var views = rf("lib/views"); myView = views("myView"); var myCtrl = rf.ctrls("myCtrl.js");
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01:33:53  <\malex\>provided package.json has {"requireFrom": { "ctrls" : "lib/ctrls" } }
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01:36:08  <\malex\>DSKrepps: also yoru test doesn't seem to work out of the box
01:36:21  <\malex\>but i really like requireFrom
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01:40:36  <DSKrepps>Right, it doesn't work. Weird.
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01:42:24  <\malex\>DSKrepps: ah. need to mkdir test/node_modules/requirefrom, and lowercase requireFrom on line 6 of test.js
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01:43:39  <\malex\>DSKrepps: i should clone it and send you a pull request. this seems like a good project to start githubbing on heh
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01:44:03  <DSKrepps>Go ahead if you want. Thanks.
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01:46:05  <DSKrepps>Hmm. It looks like I left the missing directories in test/ in my original project folder but it didn't get uploaded to github. Like test/node_modules/ was ignored.
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01:49:29  <mmalecki>huh. I have a buffer with length N, full of binary data
01:49:35  <DSKrepps>Git ignores empty directories, apparently.
01:49:47  <mmalecki>when I fs.writeFile it, length of the buffer and file differs
01:49:49  <mdel>DSKrepps: the convention is to use a .gitkeep file in the empty dir
01:49:59  <DSKrepps>Thanks.
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01:51:32  <DSKrepps>\malex\ if you're making a pr to fix the test just add the file test/node_modules/requirefrom/.gitkeep
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01:54:41  <\malex\>DSKrepps: i'm learning git/github ways, so i'm a bit slow :)
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02:04:09  <\malex\>DSKrepps: incoming. hopefully i did that right
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02:07:22  <DSKrepps>\malex\: Test passed and merged. Thanks
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02:10:33  <\malex\>DSKrepps: i'm goign to try my hand at writing what i was talking about
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02:11:33  <DSKrepps>I actually just did.
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02:11:39  <\malex\>oh
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02:12:22  <DSKrepps>You still can if you want to see how they compare to each other, hehe.
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02:12:32  <\malex\>ha! ok
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02:18:44  <DSKrepps>I like that its shorter and the paths are in one place. But it also isn't clear in each file where you're requiring from, and I don't like reading package.json in general.
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02:26:31  <\malex\>stupid work getting in the way
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02:26:36  <\malex\>DSKrepps: well, take a look at https://github.com/realmalex/requireFrom/commit/e32e9e27fcc04a9b52f61230aa67dc44fbc7e049
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02:27:23  <\malex\>hmm
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02:27:56  <\malex\>forgot to include the package.json in test
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02:29:27  <\malex\>https://github.com/realmalex/requireFrom/compare/DSKrepps:master...master
02:29:55  <zumba_addict>hi folks, is there a REST api for NodeJS?
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02:30:30  <aredridel>Um. There are REST services for many APIs written using Node.
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02:30:46  <Aria>I'm not sure what you mean by a 'REST API for nodejs'
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02:31:50  <therealkoopa>substack: If you have a process registered with seaport 1.8, should a seaport client on 2.0 be able to access it?
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02:33:20  <substack>therealkoopa: no, the protocol changed
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02:33:50  <therealkoopa>substack: thanks
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02:35:25  <ns5>I'm running npm update, after update I run "npm ls", I get error: "npm ERR! invalid: [email protected]", before update the static-favicon version was 1.0.0. I have ""static-favicon": ">=1.0.0"," in my package.json. Why the error?
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02:37:34  <zumba_addict>thanks Aria
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02:37:47  <zumba_addict>can you please name a few REST api module?
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02:38:18  <zumba_addict>btw, I wrote this as my first personal goal at work :) "Be familiar and be able to develop in Node.JS"
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02:38:54  <Aria>npm search rest
02:38:56  <Aria>There's plenty.
02:39:15  <zumba_addict>ok, running that
02:39:20  <Aria>What's your actual goal? REST is barely more than "manage state carefully so you can use APIs well in the face of failures".
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02:40:52  <zumba_addict>here is what I'm trying to do. We have a javascript application/backbonejs. We defined the routes(urls provided by JAVA backend team) on our frontend code. I was hoping there was a nicer way of doing this
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02:41:21  <zumba_addict>They build a REST server
02:41:23  <zumba_addict>built
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02:42:53  <zumba_addict>looks like I got an error running npm search rest - http://pastebin.com/YjTHsV8B
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02:43:28  <Aria>Goodness. You've an old node and old npm.
02:43:31  <Aria>try npm upgrade -g npm
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02:43:41  <Aria>(with sudo if you have to)
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02:44:13  <Aria>Or search on npmjs.org
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02:44:43  <\malex\>ubuntu ships with an even older npm
02:45:06  <DSKrepps>\malex\: Here's what i did, basically the same thing: https://github.com/DSKrepps/requireFrom/blob/read-pkg/index.js
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02:45:43  <zumba_addict>oh, i didn't know my npm is old :D
02:45:49  <DSKrepps>On ubuntu see the extra steps to install here: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installing-Node.js-via-package-manager#wiki-ubuntu-mint-elementary-os
02:45:50  <\malex\>DSKrepps: yep, except for capitalization heh
02:45:51  <zumba_addict>thanks for catching it
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02:47:30  <zumba_addict>hmm, sudo npm upgrade -g npm is not being accepted. It's giving me Usage instruction
02:47:48  <zumba_addict>I don't see upgrade but I do see update. Should I use update instead?
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02:48:26  <zumba_addict>ok, update is working
02:48:44  <zumba_addict>I see this, GET https://registry.npmjs.org/npm/-/npm-1.4.4.tgz
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02:50:39  <\malex\>DSKrepps: mostly i like that there is less to type into each file. i kind of miss #include
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02:51:00  <taternuts>is there a "continue" f-key for node-inspector?
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02:52:25  <zumba_addict>I'm running the commands given by this person, http://davidwalsh.name/upgrade-nodejs
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02:52:59  <looking_for_work>zumba what OS are u using, just curious
02:53:22  <zumba_addict>os x
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02:53:39  <zumba_addict>it's taking a long time on the first command
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02:54:45  <zumba_addict>i'm running this now, sudo npm install -g n
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02:55:13  <looking_for_work>yea im in windows 7, so i didnt need to use sudo
02:55:21  <looking_for_work>npm update npm -g worked fine
02:55:24  <zumba_addict> fetch : http://nodejs.org/dist/v0.10.26/node-v0.10.26-darwin-x64.tar.gz installed : v0.10.26
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02:55:37  <zumba_addict>done, I hope that's the latest NodeJS version
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02:56:10  <TyrfingMjolnir>zumba_addict: Why latest?
02:56:12  <looking_for_work>i tried it without the -g and it seemed to do the same thing
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02:56:16  <TyrfingMjolnir>It should be the current stable
02:56:21  <zumba_addict>i mean, I installed stable
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02:56:31  <zumba_addict>sudo n stable is what I ran
02:56:39  <isaacbw>poop
02:56:45  <isaacbw>don't use n globally
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02:56:52  <zumba_addict>why?
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02:56:58  <looking_for_work>why
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02:57:19  <isaacbw>because it will mix it in with your system packages
02:57:42  <zumba_addict>ok but I don't know if they installed node here on my laptop before
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02:58:27  <looking_for_work>isaacbw, so npm update npm with the -g then?
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02:58:54  <zumba_addict>npm search rest now provides an output :)
02:59:15  <Aria>Yay!
02:59:20  <zumba_addict>wow, tons of results!!! LOL
02:59:24  <Aria>Oh quite.
02:59:30  <Aria>Since this is one of the things people DO with node.
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03:00:06  <zumba_addict>do you think Node.JS is good for heavy traffic?
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03:00:45  <isaacbw>looking_for_work: yea
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03:00:54  <Aria>Walmart used it to serve something like 200,000,000 concurrent users during Black Friday here in the US.
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03:01:04  <zumba_addict>OMG :)
03:01:06  <tjfontain>"If you don't like it, that's tough. Its time for you to switch to FreeBSD then. There is absolutely a need for fast booting in the Linux eco system."
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03:01:09  <tjfontain>-Systemd fuck: We must leave linux if we don't like systemd. Fight this. Please Second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html
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03:01:12  <Aria>I mean, not on a single server. But yes.
03:01:12  <tjfontain>Vote against systemd.
03:01:15  <tjfontain>please
03:01:16  <looking_for_work>isaacbw, unfortunate i already did it with -g earlier.....
03:01:22  <Aria>Oh, and they did a deploy while under load
03:01:28  <zumba_addict>:D
03:01:29  <isaacbw>it's fine with -g looking_for_work
03:01:32  <zumba_addict>that's very cool
03:01:37  <isaacbw>I just mean you should set N_PREFIX to $HOME
03:01:44  <isaacbw>and npm set prefix $HOME
03:01:47  <zumba_addict>i really need to learn Node.JS then.
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03:01:50  <isaacbw>it's much cleaner that way
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03:02:25  <looking_for_work>ok
03:02:27  <zumba_addict>for my first exercise, I would like to use node.js, sockets.io so it can update a simple webpage automatically
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03:02:50  <isaacbw>for my first exercise, I will perform twenty squats
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03:02:56  <isaacbw>aaaand I begin
03:02:59  <isaacbw>1
03:03:01  <zumba_addict>i would like node.js to connect to my MongoDB or Mysql. I will be updating a field
03:03:01  <isaacbw>2
03:03:03  <isaacbw>3
03:03:10  <isaacbw>...
03:03:12  <isaacbw>20
03:03:19  <zumba_addict>isaacbw: I will be doing 5x5 tonight which also includes squats
03:03:20  <isaacbw>"A remarkable performance"
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03:03:27  <zumba_addict>i'll also do deadlifts too
03:03:36  <isaacbw>I just use the elliptical and call it a day
03:03:40  <zumba_addict>:(
03:03:51  <isaacbw>I'll start running when I'm in better shape
03:03:52  <zumba_addict>i run outside, sprint 4 times for 100 m
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03:04:20  <zumba_addict>i know, there were tons of accidents this morning
03:04:26  <isaacbw>when I'm done losing fat, then I'll think about adding muscle
03:04:32  <mdel>I bought a rowing machine recently, can't recommend it enough
03:04:33  <zumba_addict>nice
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03:04:42  <zumba_addict>i have a squat rack
03:04:45  <mdel>full body workout, major cardio
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03:05:00  <mdel>zero impact, which is something I hate about running
03:05:01  <zumba_addict>i also have a bench press
03:05:13  <isaacbw>it never occurred to me to look for work with a nick
03:05:14  <zumba_addict>what is zero impact?
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03:05:37  <mdel>impact on the joints
03:05:39  <isaacbw|hireme>the force of your feet hitting the ground
03:05:45  <zumba_addict>ah, got it
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03:05:58  <zumba_addict>i love sprints because it makes me stronger
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03:06:29  <zumba_addict>and doing 5x5, I was able to overcome plateau
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03:06:48  <zumba_addict>i got stuck at 225 lbs on deadlift but now I'm at 275lbs
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03:07:37  <zumba_addict>but folks, IRC especially when you start talking to intelligent people, my workout gets affected, LOL
03:07:51  <zumba_addict>I told myself that i'll be working out at 9pm. It's 10pm now, hahaha
03:07:58  <Aria>Go do, then!
03:08:02  <zumba_addict>:D
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03:08:17  <zumba_addict>i became so interested in Node.JS
03:08:24  <zumba_addict>in few mins, I'll go
03:08:30  <zumba_addict>it's in my basement
03:08:30  <isaacbw|hireme>I can lift 300lbs with Node.js
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03:08:36  <zumba_addict>hahaha
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03:09:51  <zumba_addict>I'm a bit confused with the terminology. When we see "REST api", am I right that this is the server side?
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03:10:23  <isaacbw|hireme>yesh
03:10:28  <zumba_addict>what I am looking for is consuming the REST endpoints provided by our API team
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03:10:34  <isaacbw|hireme>well, it's an interface between the client and the server
03:10:41  <isaacbw|hireme>zumba_addict: in the browser?
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03:10:43  <zumba_addict>yes
03:10:47  <isaacbw|hireme>node won't help you
03:10:49  <zumba_addict>you are right too
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03:11:01  <zumba_addict>why won't node be able to help me?
03:11:07  <isaacbw|hireme>it's not in the browser
03:11:21  <zumba_addict>yup, you are right but i think it's possible
03:11:26  <isaacbw|hireme>to do what
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03:11:43  <zumba_addict>i submit my form to Node then the code in Node will submit to the REST endpoint
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03:11:53  <isaacbw|hireme>oh, you mean like a middleman?
03:11:56  <zumba_addict>yes
03:12:03  <isaacbw|hireme>why not just go straight to the REST API
03:12:19  <zumba_addict>because I like to prevent the user from seeing the rest endpoints
03:12:24  <isaacbw|hireme>I see
03:12:36  <isaacbw|hireme>then I suppose you could use node, yes
03:12:37  <zumba_addict>also with middle man, I can sanitize the data before it gets sent to the REST server
03:12:47  <isaacbw|hireme>ah, so you don't trust the API guys
03:12:53  <zumba_addict>:) you are right
03:13:02  <isaacbw|hireme>fair enough
03:13:03  <zumba_addict>i was able to inject XSS attack
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03:14:33  <zumba_addict>I actually started reading Flask Framework today but Python is new thing for me
03:15:01  <zumba_addict>but I decided to also read about NodeJS because I heard from boss last week, he wants to use NodeJS
03:15:01  <taternuts>python/flask is cool from my limited experience
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03:15:16  <zumba_addict>oh, that's cool taternuts. is it really for REST?
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03:15:34  <taternuts>yeah
03:15:39  <zumba_addict>ok
03:15:41  <taternuts>just depends on how you set it up
03:15:45  <mdel>REST isn't a "thing"
03:15:47  <Aria>Just remember that REST isn't a single thing but a set of restrictions for how to make services reliable.
03:15:48  <taternuts>but the RESTManager is awesome
03:15:48  <mdel>its a convention
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03:15:54  <mdel>thanks Aria :)
03:15:58  <zumba_addict>k
03:15:59  <Aria>Haha. Good timing.
03:16:17  <zumba_addict>from my limited knowledge and how I see our app works, it's CRUD
03:16:28  <Aria>Yeah, CRUD isn't REST, strictly.
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03:16:35  <zumba_addict>basic GET, OPTIONS, PUT, POST, DELETE
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03:16:43  <zumba_addict>ok
03:16:45  <mdel>thats HTTP :)
03:16:46  <Aria>It means keeping your requests stateless. Use requests that can be repeated if you're not sure they went through (reliability through idempotency)
03:16:54  <zumba_addict>mdel, you are right :)
03:17:16  <Aria>Stateless allows better scaling, because there are fewer things outside the request involved.
03:17:22  <zumba_addict>never heard of that term. What is it?
03:17:24  <isaacbw|hireme>Aria: fez was idempotent
03:17:30  <isaacbw|hireme>but no one cared :,C
03:17:32  <taternuts>stateless?
03:17:34  <isaacbw|hireme>*sob*
03:17:34  <Aria>isaacbw|hireme: Was?
03:17:37  <zumba_addict>no, idempotency
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03:17:50  <taternuts>oh didn't see that, yeah, what is that
03:17:51  <Aria>Oh, idempotency: The same inputs yield the same outputs.
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03:17:59  <zumba_addict>ok
03:18:00  <mdel>idempotence was the main draw for fez, for me at least
03:18:06  <isaacbw|hireme>Aria: I've run out of momentum. It will probably come back as a Makefile that runs JS instead of BASH
03:18:16  <isaacbw|hireme>which won't be nearly as powerful
03:18:18  <mdel>not that its impossible in other build systems, but it being a main deisgn goal
03:18:24  <isaacbw|hireme>but might be more popular
03:18:31  <Aria>isaacbw|hireme: Awww. I was just waiting for you to stop shifting it around so I could use it the next time I needed something.
03:18:39  <zumba_addict>btw, our REST API I guess is bad. The backend guys told us that we have to wait for their RESPONSE before we can submit another REST call. I said, "WHAAAT????"
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03:18:57  <mdel>yikes
03:19:00  <zumba_addict>;)
03:19:02  <Aria>zumba_addict: That does indeed sound like it's not REST at all.
03:19:07  <zumba_addict>WOW :D
03:19:11  <Aria>zumba_addict: That sounds a lot like they're doing RPC over HTTP ;-)
03:19:26  <zumba_addict>I troubleshot a code for 2 days figuring out why my SUBMITS weren't accurate
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03:19:32  <Aria>SUBMIT?
03:19:46  <taternuts>it's part of the new html spec
03:19:47  <zumba_addict>yes, form submits thru the REST api
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03:19:57  <Aria>Ah. like POST?
03:19:59  <zumba_addict>yes
03:20:18  <zumba_addict>they don't even accept an array value
03:20:19  <Aria>Heh. POST is non-idempotent by definition -- needed, sometimes, but not generally a 'safe' operation.
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03:20:25  <Aria>Array value?
03:20:33  <zumba_addict>yup, in the form of json
03:20:39  <zumba_addict>multiple items
03:20:41  <mdel>so wait.. how do you guarantee another POST is not occurring before whatever a RESPONSE is?
03:20:57  <Aria>Multiple items is a little hard with REST. It's hard to be idempotent with large resources.
03:20:59  <zumba_addict>I am using ajax success and 200
03:21:06  <Aria>mdel: convention.
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03:21:27  <zumba_addict>so once I get an OK 200 from the server, time to submit the next one, LOL
03:21:33  <Aria>Yeah, definitely not terribly rest-y there, zumba_addict.
03:21:39  <mdel>zumba_addict: maybe I'm taking you too literally, I was imagining that this was across all clients :)
03:21:53  <zumba_addict>k
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03:22:07  <Aria>I should totally write up our design for our new login system at work. It's a good example of requests that can be retried..
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03:22:26  <zumba_addict>ours REST API then is not REST. It should rest, LOL
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03:22:38  <Aria>We broke login up into three calls (For some stupid decoupling reasons), but got some interesting reliability out of it.
03:22:50  <zumba_addict>k
03:23:07  <Aria>By breaking it up, we made all three parts retriable -- "I'd like to start a login" "Okay, do that login" "Did the login complete?"
03:23:17  <zumba_addict>got it
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03:23:20  <zumba_addict>use oath2 :)
03:23:27  <Aria>This is oauth2.
03:23:32  <zumba_addict>oh cool
03:23:34  <Aria>(Also don't use oauth2. It's a terrible protocol.)
03:23:47  <zumba_addict>what do you suggest?
03:23:48  <Aria>(Not even a protocol. It's frankly one of the worst things I've ever worked with.)
03:23:53  <Aria>Depends on your needs.
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03:24:44  <Aria>Hell, the reason people say 'use oauth2' is to get interoperability. But oauth2 is specified in ways that pretty much don't make interop likely. And it adds complexity because it's built to support like a bazillion workflows.
03:24:58  <Aria>So everyone 'does oauth2' but doesn't do all of it. Just some random part, plus their own bits.
03:25:04  <Aria>Neither super nor subset.
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03:25:15  <zumba_addict>wow
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03:25:42  <zumba_addict>going back to REST, I want to setup REST here at home so I can start learning/implementing it correctly
03:25:48  <Aria>Oauth2 doesn't get you much in the case of a 'public' client -- like an app on a phone or a javascript app where someone can read the source.
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03:25:55  <isaacbw|hireme>wow, zsh is cool
03:26:14  <isaacbw|hireme>it reads the values in the -cp argument (Java) and the autocompletes classes from the classpath
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03:26:28  <zumba_addict>zsh is a shell right
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03:27:15  <Aria>zumba_addict: Make a tiny http server in node. Make a simple login API, but use PUT not POST -- and then think through all the cases where "What if this request fails? Can I retry without involving the user?" and "what if this request succeeds, but the browser times out instead?". You'll learn a LOT of REST that way.
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03:27:35  <zumba_addict>got it
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03:28:20  <Aria>zumba_addict: Those two error cases are where the real learning is. "What if it fails? Can I retry?" and "What if it works and I don't know about it?"
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03:28:24  <isaacbw|hireme>zumba_addict: yup
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03:28:59  <zumba_addict>got it
03:29:11  <zumba_addict>I thought PUT was only for updates
03:29:25  <Aria>Nope.
03:29:33  <Aria>You can put stuff to create it, if you have a URL for it.
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03:29:49  <zumba_addict>that's how our API team is using PUT, only for updating existing item
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03:30:01  <Aria>Yeah. That's the usual mapping of CRUD to HTTP.
03:30:06  <zumba_addict>yup
03:30:11  <Aria>Post to create, put to update.
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03:30:18  <zumba_addict>exactly
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03:30:29  <Aria>But that leaves creates as not able to be retried if there's a timeout.
03:30:31  <yamadapc>Aria: but then you have to treat retries to make the route idempotent...
03:30:33  <zumba_addict>looks like our REST api was a bad foundation for me, heheheh
03:30:49  <yamadapc>Aria: mm...
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03:31:02  <Aria>It works, but you have to handle either "a second create will make a duplicate" or "you get an error when you create again"
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03:31:19  <Aria>For login, you can do things like "PUT /sessions/USERNAME/RANDOMIDHERE" -- let the client supply the random ID.
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03:31:46  <Monkeytoe>hello
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03:32:01  <Monkeytoe>is it possible to use node.js to reboot the server its on?
03:32:02  <yamadapc>I'd say it depends on the session/authentication logic... but yeah, that would make sense
03:32:04  <Aria>And if it fails? try again! If the session already exists, update it.
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03:32:20  <Aria>Yeah, it's a ~trivial example, but it's one of those cases you can rethink things.
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03:32:49  <Monkeytoe>im making a monitoring script in node.js that monitors a couple api's on the computer... and depending on the situation I would like to be able to have node.js do a coldreboot
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03:33:05  <Aria>(And all this makes a huge difference for mobile. The use-case I keep in mind is "user's connection is 4 seconds round trip. They hit log in and step into the subway. Their mobile doesn't get a signal for 10 minutes, and two stops down the line. From their pocket.)
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03:33:27  <Aria>Monkeytoe: 'cold' reboot
03:33:27  <Aria>?
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03:33:59  <Monkeytoe>yeah instead of sudo reboot... sudo coldreboot
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03:34:12  <Aria>Ah. So do that?
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03:34:27  <Monkeytoe>how can I have it give the system that command?
03:34:37  <Aria>child_process.exec?
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03:35:05  <Monkeytoe>ah so I could use that to run a shell script to reboot?
03:35:23  <yamadapc>yes
03:35:28  <Aria>Sure. Just like any other process.
03:35:38  <Aria>node may keep unix at a distance, but it's not that far away ;-)
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03:36:22  <Monkeytoe>the next issue would be... how to allow this without having to put the root password in the node script
03:36:23  <Monkeytoe>lol
03:36:28  <Monkeytoe>that would be a major security issue
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03:36:55  <tilleps>edit sudoers file and add permissions for that specific script
03:36:58  <mikehaas763>Ok, I'm having a hard time understanding streams. I'm using gulpjs and in a gulp plugin using through2.obj. When the anon func I pass to through2.obj get's called (file, enc, callback) I see just the first file in the watched directory. Any idea how to get access to all the files?
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03:37:20  <Monkeytoe>and then make sure that the node.js account cant edit that script right till?
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03:37:39  <NodeNagant>so for kicking off a function every once in a while (like a cron job) i want to use process right?
03:37:51  <\malex\>Monkeytoe: why? just make sure sudo allows nopasswd access to coldreboot and only that
03:37:53  <Monkeytoe>or is there a way to limit the sudo authorization to only erbooting
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03:38:04  <Monkeytoe>ah
03:38:12  <Aria>Monkeytoe: Yeah. man sudoers!
03:38:14  <tilleps>you can limit the script to reboot
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03:38:20  <Aria>NodeNagant: setTimeout not sufficient for you?
03:38:21  <tilleps>reboot command only
03:38:27  <Monkeytoe>sweet
03:38:35  <Monkeytoe>sounds like this will work ! :)
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03:38:47  <NodeNagant>Aria: doesnt setTimeout block?
03:38:54  <Aria>No.
03:39:30  <NodeNagant>o, i was think of something, else, just looked at docs, looks like setTimeout is what I want
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03:39:35  <NodeNagant>Aria: thanx
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03:40:01  <Aria>mikehaas763: That sounds a bit gulp-specific -- node itself doesn't have any multi-file streams. Maybe ask in #gulpjs?
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03:40:44  <yamadapc>NodeNagant: you might want to take a look at https://github.com/ncb000gt/node-cron/blob/master/lib/cron.js
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03:40:53  <yamadapc>NodeNagant: depending on what you're doing
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03:42:02  <Aria>Night, all!
03:42:13  <yamadapc>NodeNagant: but yeah.. it uses setTimeout internally
03:42:23  <zumba_addict>Aria: where can I get more information about the "simple LOGIN api using PUT"? Which topic in Node should I read?
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03:42:25  <yamadapc>NodeNagant: just has a pretty API... :3
03:42:53  <zumba_addict>oops, looks like he left already
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03:43:44  <yamadapc>zumba_addict: I really enjoyed "RESTful Web APIs" (O'Reilly)
03:43:56  <zumba_addict>ok
03:44:03  <nrw>I'm jumping in with a pull-stream question. :)
03:44:03  <zumba_addict>thanks
03:44:10  <nrw>I want to write to a stream and have the values i write just sit in that stream until a consuming stream pulls them through. Is that a crazy thing to do?
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03:44:22  <nrw>I can't seem to find the right google terms to answer this. :P
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03:44:37  <NodeNagant>yamadapc: yea that module looks cool
03:44:56  <yamadapc>zumba_addict: you're welcome :) (the book is really opinionated though - but so is most REST literature)
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03:45:01  <looking_for_work>anybody use node on AWS?
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03:45:17  <yamadapc>looking_for_work: yes, why?
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03:46:02  <looking_for_work>just wondering how it went
03:46:15  <yamadapc>looking_for_work: so far so good
03:46:18  <looking_for_work>and if you found a good guide or if you just read the AWS docs
03:46:21  <yamadapc>looking_for_work: haha
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03:46:25  <NodeNagant>i was going to set up the free instance
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03:46:30  <yamadapc>looking_for_work: the docs are ok...
03:46:51  <LoneStar99>would a free 1.5GB VPS be enough for Node.js development?
03:46:55  <yamadapc>looking_for_work: do you mean running node on an AWS instance, or using the services? (we did both)
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03:47:34  <looking_for_work>the first, i assume it's pretty straighforward...
03:47:45  <looking_for_work>i read a bunch of the docs but not about node specifically yet
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03:47:53  <looking_for_work>the AWS podcast is interesting too
03:47:55  <LoneStar99>looking_for_work: working on a node.js solution on AWS
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03:48:08  <zumba_addict>brb, working out now :)
03:48:08  <LoneStar99>what did you need?
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03:48:57  <looking_for_work>well nothing specifically now, but in general has it been working well? node + AWS seems like it would be a good combo
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03:49:49  <LoneStar99>looking_for_work: it works, well but will work better when we release our Node.js optimized servers =)
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03:50:19  <looking_for_work>nice....
03:50:25  <yamadapc>LoneStar99: looking forward to that :)
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03:51:06  <yamadapc>need to go, good night to you all
03:51:07  <looking_for_work>LoneStar99, so you must be an AWS service provider
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03:51:36  <LoneStar99>yamadapc: just got some info needed for AWS support now just need to roll them out...
03:52:18  <yamadapc>LoneStar99: awesome
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03:53:44  <ForSpareParts_>.border-radius (@rules) { @media (min-width: 960px) { @rules; } }
03:53:52  <ForSpareParts_>argh, sorry. meant to paste link
03:53:58  <ForSpareParts_>http://pastebin.com/
03:54:06  <ForSpareParts_>http://pastebin.com/vkX6Xc6w
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03:56:43  <nrw>anyone have experience with pull-streams? i'm stuck.
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04:17:05  <the8thbit>I need to parse yaml that's not valid json
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04:18:50  <SomeoneWeird>the8thbit, wat
04:19:08  <the8thbit>I guess yamljs will do the job
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04:20:49  <Shayanjm>o_o
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04:20:57  <Shayanjm>i would hope yaml is not valid json
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04:22:10  <the8thbit>Shayanjm: What? Isn't most yaml valid json?
04:22:12  <SomeoneWeird>Shayanjm, i'd like to see one that way
04:22:18  <SomeoneWeird>the8thbit, no, they're entirely different :)
04:22:25  <Shayanjm>the8thbit: those are two entirely different things man
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04:22:46  <SomeoneWeird>er, s/way/was/
04:22:46  <the8thbit>SomeoneWeird, Shayanjm: I thought yaml is a superset of json?
04:22:59  <SomeoneWeird>the8thbit, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YAML#Sample_document
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04:23:09  <SomeoneWeird>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSON#JSON_sample
04:23:10  <Shayanjm>the8thbit: yes
04:23:12  <Shayanjm>it is
04:23:28  <Shayanjm>which means that a YAML parser can parse JSON (presumably) but not the other way around
04:23:41  <SomeoneWeird>uh
04:23:44  <SomeoneWeird>i doubt that
04:23:51  <Shayanjm>SomeoneWeird it's true ;)
04:23:56  <SomeoneWeird>really?
04:23:57  <SomeoneWeird>heh
04:24:01  <the8thbit>Shayanjm: In other words, most yaml is json ;)
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04:24:06  <Shayanjm>ehhhh no
04:24:12  <Shayanjm>that's like saying most rectangles are squares
04:24:29  <the8thbit>But squares aren't far more common that other rectangles
04:24:35  <the8thbit>*than
04:24:38  <Shayanjm>That's not what's up for debate here haha
04:24:48  <Shayanjm>the long and short of it is, you'll have a tough time getting a json parser to parse your yaml
04:25:00  <the8thbit>Unless its valid json
04:25:05  <Shayanjm>yes, unless its valid json
04:25:09  <Shayanjm>which is highly unlikely
04:25:18  <Shayanjm>the more likely scenario is that you can get your json to be parsed in your yaml parser
04:25:21  <the8thbit>hence "I have yaml that's not valid json"
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04:25:37  <the8thbit>or whatever I said
04:25:44  <ljharb>um, json and yaml are nothing alike?
04:25:47  <Shayanjm>the8thbit: that should be an implied statement, really, but that's neither here nor there
04:25:49  <ljharb>yaml syntax is always invalid json
04:26:05  <Shayanjm>ljharb: technically YAML is a superset of JSON. It's a weird relationship
04:26:09  <ljharb>some tiny parts of yaml and json are the same, but that doesn't mean anything
04:26:09  <the8thbit>ljharb: But yaml syntax includes json syntax
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04:26:20  <ljharb>wow, hm
04:26:26  <Shayanjm>the8thbit: in the same way that rectangles can include squares
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04:26:31  <Shayanjm>but squares don't always include rectangles
04:26:36  <ljharb>screw yaml anyways, toml is better
04:26:37  <the8thbit>right
04:26:39  <Shayanjm>in this case, YAML is the rectangle and JSON is the square.
04:26:49  <Shayanjm>You wouldn't say "I have a rectangle that isn't a square"
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04:26:53  <the8thbit>superset vs. subset vs. equivalent set
04:27:00  <LouisT>pfft, i think we can all agree that xml is the best
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04:27:10  <the8thbit>LouisT: You're funny!
04:27:17  <Shayanjm>LouisT wins
04:27:21  <Shayanjm>move along everyone
04:27:21  <the8thbit>lol
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04:39:12  <LouisT>so, i'm generating ranges (a..z, a..zz and so on), i'm trying to calculate the size that any range would be if i decided to save it to disk -- i'm having a hell of a time as i suck at math, anyone have any ideas/pointers? i've scrapped the last 4 functions i've tested as they all failed horribly
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04:39:48  <LouisT>i know that a..zzz would be 18278 (52.84KB) but i'd rather not have to generate the entire range to figure it out each time >.>
04:40:24  <\malex\>LouisT: how ar eyou generating the range?
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04:41:00  <LouisT>\malex\: https://github.com/LouisT/RangeGen/blob/master/index.js
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04:42:25  <LouisT>i can calculate the number of iterations it'd take without having to actually generate it.. so a..zzzzzzzzzzzzzz would require 67090373691429040000 while loops (decrementing)
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04:43:59  <\malex\>LouisT: so would the answer be count_loops(a..z) + count_loops(aa..zz) + ...?
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04:44:32  <\malex\>erm, count_loops(a..z) + 2 * count_loops(aa..zz)
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04:44:46  <LouisT>uh
04:44:50  <LouisT>i'm not sure what you mean
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04:45:25  <LouisT>also the second step would probably be better with aa..az if i had to run it like that each time, but i don't really want to generate anything besides the number of loops i'd need
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04:46:00  <\malex\>so if you are always going from "a" to "zzzz...", would the answer be 26 + 2 * 26 + ... len("zzzz...") * 26?
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04:46:38  <LouisT>26 + 26^2 + 26^3
04:46:42  <\malex\>no, *
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04:47:05  <\malex\>a..z uses 26 bytes. aa..zz uses 52 bytes, aaa..zzz uses 78 bytes, etc
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04:47:33  <LouisT>aaa.zzz would be bigger than 78 bytes
04:47:41  <\malex\>oh, crap, yeah
04:47:46  <\malex\>looks like i can't think :)
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04:48:07  <LouisT>52728 bytes
04:48:13  <\malex\>so it would be 3 * 26^3?
04:48:21  <\malex\>right
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04:49:08  <LouisT>but the issue is, i can't do 26^67090373691429040000
04:49:19  <\malex\>well, you don't need to
04:49:30  <\malex\>the 3 in that case is the length of the string "zzz..."
04:49:35  <LouisT>ah yea true
04:49:36  <LouisT>ok
04:49:36  <LouisT>so
04:50:06  <\malex\>so if you did a..zzzzz it would be 26 + 2 * 26^2 + 3 * 26^3 + 4 * 26^4 + 5 * 26^5
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04:50:27  <\malex\>so if you are always ending on zzz... and starting with a, it's kind of easy
04:50:48  <LouisT>well no, it could be any letter combination
04:50:57  <LouisT>so sdjh...iksjd
04:51:10  <\malex\>right
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04:51:53  <garthk>Am I nuts for thinking 150KB is a lot of JavaScript?
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04:53:01  <LouisT>garthk: yes
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04:53:33  <garthk>LouisT: Huh.
04:53:45  <LouisT>150 ins't THAT much
04:54:00  <LouisT>i mean, it's a lot.. but it could be worse
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04:54:53  <garthk>I'm thinking more at the browser end.
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04:55:20  <garthk>React.js is 100, minimum. 150 with addons. 600 with addons if you don't minimise it.
04:55:51  <LouisT>mmmmmmm it's not fantastic.. but most computers/network speeds wouldn't really be noticeable
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05:07:07  <LouisT>\malex\: yea, i don't think it's possible... if i did my math right (which i'm TERRIBLE at math) means i'd have 4327998309668840068342187982070743040000 bytes and i can't get the size from that
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05:10:05  <the8thbit>hmm
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05:10:12  <the8thbit>I'm using yamljs
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05:10:20  <the8thbit>when I try to parse this string:
05:10:21  <the8thbit>{ pio_iid: '15',
05:10:21  <the8thbit> pio_itypes: [ 'uitem' ],
05:10:21  <the8thbit> pio_startT: 1394687309009,
05:10:21  <the8thbit> pio_inactive: false }
05:10:42  <the8thbit>I get this error:
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05:11:52  <myndzi>the8thbit: that's because Objects don't have a split method
05:11:57  <myndzi>what are you trying to do
05:12:01  <LouisT>myndzi: GOOD ONE
05:12:02  <LouisT>lol
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05:12:43  <the8thbit>myndzi: I'm trying to parse YAML into an object
05:12:52  <myndzi>but you already have an object?
05:13:01  <myndzi>the string you pasted is not yaml
05:13:05  <myndzi>it is a javascript object
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05:13:09  <the8thbit>Oh
05:13:19  <ljharb>eesh, why would you want to work with yaml
05:13:23  <the8thbit>Then when I print it to console, why don't I get [Object object]
05:13:25  <the8thbit>?
05:13:27  <ljharb>it's full of security holes and features that don't work in JS anyways
05:13:48  <ljharb>the8thbit: it might be a string of JS code that represents an object, but that's not a valid serialization of anything.
05:13:49  <myndzi>because console.log pretty prints shallow object values
05:14:03  <myndzi>if it's an object like 2 keys deep it will just say object unless you use util.inspect
05:14:04  <LouisT>i believe the word you're looking for is ANYWAY -- also, the8thbit is the error before or after you parse yaml?
05:14:12  <myndzi>or if you call tostring on it i think
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05:14:29  <the8thbit>Ah, you guys are right
05:14:36  <the8thbit>its already an object
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05:15:07  <the8thbit>I only thought it was yaml because I ran it through a yaml validator and it came out okay
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05:24:44  <pawn>What IRC clients does everyone use?
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05:26:00  <\malex\>LouisT: why are you writing the range to disk anyway?
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05:26:29  <LouisT>\malex\: well, i wanted to know how much memory a range could use as well
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05:26:31  <LouisT>just to know
05:26:35  <LouisT>i don't really have to write to it
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05:27:32  <\malex\>LouisT: ah
05:27:36  <\malex\>LouisT: so what's this for anyway?
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05:27:44  <LouisT>\malex\: what do you maen?
05:27:46  <LouisT>mean, as well
05:27:54  <\malex\>LouisT: why generate such large ranges?
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05:28:09  <LouisT>i'm not using it for anything actually
05:28:15  <LouisT>i wrote it because js doesn't have a native range
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05:28:36  <LouisT>and every range i've found didn't support multiple letters
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05:29:16  <\malex\>LouisT: i'm just trying to think of when you'd ever need to get the array of aaa..zzz
05:29:23  <\malex\>LouisT: and i'm not sure i can
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05:29:58  <\malex\>LouisT: i can see why you'd need to get the Nth value in the range aaa..zzz, but not the entire range
05:30:07  <LouisT>well yea
05:30:10  <LouisT>you can do that as well
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05:30:25  <\malex\>but you don't necessarily have to calculate the range to get that
05:30:25  <LouisT>but i mean, who knows why someone could need a range
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05:30:32  <LouisT>yes i know
05:30:45  <\malex\>that's what i mean, remove the option to return the entire range, and your problem goes away :D
05:30:55  <LouisT>eh maybe
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05:31:30  <LouisT>but it wasn't really a problem, i just wanted to do it for fun
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05:32:50  <LouisT>but really, \malex\, who knows why someone would want it.. it's just nice to have the option if needed
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05:33:52  <LouisT>hm
05:34:00  <\malex\>LouisT: sure, but once you get past 2-3 digits, the memory starts to really add up anyway
05:34:03  <LouisT>i could add an "inRange()" function as well
05:34:20  <LouisT>\malex\: that's why i have an iterator as well
05:34:23  <LouisT>not just a huge array
05:34:41  <\malex\>yep, i saw
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05:36:23  <\malex\>LouisT: you could also give the user a choice of what alphabet to use. the user could pass in the dec alphabet, or abcdef, or whatever, to limit it
05:36:43  <LouisT>what do you mean?
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05:37:22  <\malex\>say you are generating an id for a person to eventually read off a paper. you want to remove I,1,0,O,Q,etc because they can be mixed up
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05:46:44  <assia_t>is there any solid tool for node.js profiling?
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05:53:35  <milkandtang>assia_t: http://concurix.com/ (I've not used this, but they visited PDXNode and seemed like nice people.) Free trial so you can give it a go.
05:54:34  <assia_t>milkandtang: thanks, I'll take a look
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06:10:19  <cwb_>I'm having trouble getting relative requires working via the "lib" directory in my npm package... how do I configure so that require("foo/bar") points to foo/lib/bar.js
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06:11:39  <ljharb>cwb_: require('./foo/bar')
06:11:54  <ljharb>cwb_: without the ./ it thinks you're pulling from npm
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06:12:40  <cwb_>lharb... I may have miscommunicated. When I install the package itself in another project, I'd like for package "foo" to allow me to require("foo/bar") from /foo/lib/bar.js
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06:12:59  <ljharb>so you want require('foo/lib/bar') ?
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06:13:19  <ljharb>foo/bar says "give me bar.js, inside the foo npm module"
06:13:21  <cwb_>right, but I want the whole require set to start at /lib
06:13:33  <ljharb>yeah i don't think that's how it works
06:13:45  <ljharb>require('foo/paths/inside/foo')
06:13:56  <cwb_>I've done it before, and I just forget how... it's some way the package.json is configured
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06:14:10  <ljharb>make "bar.js" in the root of foo
06:14:17  <ljharb>that then in turn requires ./lib/bar
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06:14:25  <ljharb>but really, that suggests "bar" should be its own module.
06:14:36  <ljharb>it's a code smell imo if you're requiring pieces of a single module
06:15:16  <cwb_>I disagree... a package that contains multiple modules makes a lot of sense when they are all related to a single domain
06:15:28  <cwb_>require("oauth2/access_token")
06:15:37  <cwb_>require("oauth2/service")
06:15:37  <cwb_>etc
06:15:45  <ljharb>i'd still say those should be separate modules that are deps of "oauth2"
06:15:50  <ljharb>but ok
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06:16:01  <ljharb>(oauth2 is a whole code smell already, so there it is)
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06:17:01  <cwb_>What is the smell? A package should contain modules related to a specific domain, and be modular enough (ie: "modules") to be pulled in specifically
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06:17:37  <ljharb>lol no i mean oauth2 itself
06:17:45  <ljharb>but the smell is, a module should do 1 thing
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06:17:53  <ljharb>not 1 domain's worth of things
06:17:55  <cwb_>right, and a package should have multiple modules
06:17:59  <cwb_>the package is the domain
06:18:02  <ljharb>package === module
06:18:05  <cwb_>the module is a specific aspect of that domain
06:18:06  <LouisT>\malex\: you still there?
06:18:15  <ljharb>"package" isn't a node word
06:18:28  <cwb_>right, but it's an npm word :)
06:18:41  <cwb_>is there a specific npm irc?
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06:19:04  <cwb_>looks like there is
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06:21:14  <ljharb>an npm package is the same as a node module. the prevailing best practice is that a module/package should do one thing :-)
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06:23:15  <looking_for_work>do you guys run npm under an admin account
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06:28:45  <LouisT>if i had a range a,b,c,d....z would you consider d being 3rd in that range?
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06:29:47  <SomeoneWeird>LouisT, for a zero indexed array? sure
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06:30:15  <LouisT>SomeoneWeird: that seems to be my issue, idk if i should consider it zero or not
06:30:15  <LouisT>lol
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06:31:08  <LouisT>SomeoneWeird: true..
06:31:19  <LouisT>i guess i'll go with that then, thanks, i didn't even think about it that way lol
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06:36:46  <sinclair|work>does does not not provide raw socket support
06:36:58  <sinclair|work>*does nodejs not not provide raw socket support
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06:37:03  <sinclair|work>*does nodejs not provide raw socket support
06:37:05  <sinclair|work>^
06:37:09  <sinclair|work>no, wait
06:37:22  <sinclair|work>why does nodejs not provide raw socket support?
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06:37:28  <sinclair|work>^
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07:09:28  <kytwb>i'd love to stay on this chan, but my ocds are killing me
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07:09:53  <kytwb>it's the only chan i'm on starting with a capital, the others are all fully lowercase
07:09:57  <kytwb>god why...
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07:14:24  <Logicgate>kytwb, learn to combat your OCDs
07:14:30  <Logicgate>Your nickname makes me OCD.
07:14:34  <Logicgate>And I'm sticking around.
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07:15:13  <LouisT>wow, that's kinda sad
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07:26:49  <looking_for_work>if you really have OCD i can recommend something
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07:28:02  <kytwb>./join ##ocdfighters?
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07:28:38  <looking_for_work>theres a chan for everything isnt there?
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07:28:47  <looking_for_work>is there a master list of channels
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07:30:14  <looking_for_work>found it in my irc client, but wish it was posted online so could ctr+F search
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07:34:09  <kytwb>./list > wait it loads > right-click > save list > open file in text editor > ctrl+f (mirc here)
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07:35:11  <RLa>looking_for_work, you look for full-time or freelance work?
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07:36:15  <looking_for_work>both
07:36:38  <RLa>i look for freelance work :)
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07:37:19  <looking_for_work>where u looking
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07:38:28  <RLa>anywhere, online
07:38:53  <RLa>i'm from Estonia tho, not hoping to find local freelance work
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07:40:05  <looking_for_work>why, because no node work in estonia?
07:40:20  <RLa>no, because i do not want to become full-timer
07:40:34  <RLa>there are many full-time positions available here
07:40:41  <RLa>most are for java and c# tho
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07:41:03  <sinclair|work>does anyone here know anything about low level networking?
07:41:14  <RLa>which layer?
07:41:14  <looking_for_work>Javascript: The Good Parts is supposed to be a good book
07:41:19  <sinclair|work>RLa: IP
07:41:43  <RLa>hm, no, i work on TCP and up layers :)
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07:41:52  <sinclair|work>RLa: i don't think its possible for nodejs to target the IP layer without some native plugin
07:41:55  <sinclair|work>which is a shame
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07:42:10  <sinclair|work>as much of the dgram stuff could easily be ported over
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07:42:22  <RLa>you "target" them with socket open options?
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07:42:40  <RLa>udp*
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07:42:45  <ljharb>sinclair|work: write a c++ module to add it?
07:42:57  <RLa>i though node had some udp support
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07:43:16  <sinclair|work>ljharb: not really interesting in fumbling around with cross platform native modules
07:43:18  <RLa>isn't that required for dns support? :)
07:43:20  <sinclair|work>*interested
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07:43:50  <sinclair|work>ljharb: i think that raw socket support for node should be in there
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07:44:12  <sinclair|work>we have udp and tcp, and everything up, but sometimes, it would be nice to target low levels
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08:14:09  <the8thbit>Anyone here know anything about predictionio? For some reason, when I ask for recommendations, I always get back an empty object
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08:30:16  <tasslehoff>I have a problem with formidable. After my form is parsed, it looks like this: http://hastebin.com/kuralesisa.css . When I get more then ~1000 elements in "folders", it seems I reach a limit.
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08:31:55  <tasslehoff>I get too few elements in "folders", and "delete" is missing.
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08:33:23  <tasslehoff>it actually is 1000, so I was hoping form.maxFields should help.
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08:47:51  <Darkwater>I'm having some trouble with iptables and node
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08:48:07  <Darkwater>I've added a rule to iptables to redirect port 80 to 1150
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08:48:27  <Darkwater>my node http server listens on 1150 and works just fine, except when I go to port 80
08:48:46  <Darkwater>I've already narrowed it down to node, since it works fine if I listen to 1150 with netcat
08:49:03  <Darkwater>I'm using express and socket.io if that makes a difference
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08:49:32  <Phuein>Darkwater, link to your stack, for error.
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08:50:18  <Darkwater>Phuein: what do you mean? there is no error, it just doesn't accept the connection
08:50:59  <Phuein>Darkwater, did you remember to point your client to the address with port 80, instead then?
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08:51:45  <Darkwater>Phuein: yes
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08:52:25  <Phuein>Darkwater, can you show the client's console output then? For connection error.
08:52:51  <Darkwater>Phuein: Chromium's connection attempt to <address> was rejected.
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08:53:49  <Phuein>Darkwater, share relevant server and client code. It's not clear what's going on there.
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08:54:43  <Phuein>Or try listening and connecting to port 80 with something that is not Node, too.
08:54:44  <Emmanuel`>hm, is there a way to have some sort of "class variable" shared among all instance of something require-d
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08:55:02  <Darkwater>Phuein: require("http").createServer(require("express")()).listen(1150, 'x.x.x.x');
08:55:06  <Darkwater>Phuein: the client is chromium
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08:55:13  <Phuein>not here Darkwater, pastebin etc'
08:55:28  <Darkwater>Phuein: that's literally all there is to it
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08:55:42  <Emmanuel`>so say, I have in x.js "var foo = require('something')", in y.js "var bar = require('something')", foo and bar could share properties
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08:55:50  <Emmanuel`>(or have a way to share common information)
08:55:57  <Darkwater>Phuein: the client side is a web browser
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08:56:20  <Raynos>anyone familiar with the windows equivelant of /dev/tty ?
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08:57:06  <Phuein>Darkwater, try removing the IP part from the listen(), or changing it to either "localhost" or "0.0.0.0".
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08:58:24  <Phuein>Darkwater, notice basic example from website: http://expressjs.com/3x/api.html
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08:59:14  <Darkwater>Phuein: then it works
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08:59:29  <Darkwater>but I'd rather only have it listen on one interface
08:59:32  <Darkwater>if possible
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09:00:02  <Phuein>Darkwater, could your interfacing issue be due to a router misconfiguration? It's annoying, I know.
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09:11:19  <plepzz>Raynos: That would be COM ports
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09:11:53  <Raynos>plepzz: `fs.openSync('COM')` doesn't work
09:11:59  <Raynos>how do I get a COM port file descriptor
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09:12:48  <plepzz>Raynos: I think you might want to use the SerialPort2 module
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09:13:00  <Raynos>I want a fd to `CON:` so I can write from stdin
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09:14:07  <plepzz>I don't know if that is posible
09:14:11  <plepzz>Take a look at this https://github.com/voodootikigod/node-serialport
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09:14:58  <TyrfingMjolnir>I m using libxmljs; how can I ignore: Error: Extra content at the end of the document
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09:15:28  <TyrfingMjolnir> return bindings.fromXml(string);
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09:19:45  <m4tthumphrey>hi guys, very new to node, just a quick question. based on the example on the homepage, am i right in assuming that i can use the client example on the server as well as in a browser?
09:19:53  <tasslehoff>bah. outdated version of formidable...
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09:20:02  <m4tthumphrey>ah crap I'm in the wrong room
09:20:03  <m4tthumphrey>ignore that
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09:21:15  <TyrfingMjolnir>Do I just turn this break; into a pass; case XML_ERR_DOCUMENT_END:
09:21:15  <TyrfingMjolnir> errmsg = "Extra content at the end of the document";
09:21:16  <TyrfingMjolnir> break;
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09:21:30  <TyrfingMjolnir>In this file: libxmljs/vendor/libxml/parser.c
09:21:34  <TyrfingMjolnir>and then recompile?
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09:27:27  <pawn>How are all these DSL languages created; coffeescript, jade, stylus, less, etc? Are they just a lot of regexps or is there something more to know in order to build these sorts of langauges?
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09:28:07  <pawn>I'm interested in creating a DSL kind of language, eventually I'd like to make it not just DSL.
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09:32:54  <njiiri>it my first time to use #node js i am getting errors installing yeoman and angular anybody with some help i.e EACCS errors
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09:46:58  <Sven_vB>njiiri, if you have the original Ubuntu nodejs installed, remove it. then install from chrislea's ppa.
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10:01:17  <premsun>When I have compiled my JavaScript game with Closure Compiler (advanced mode), there are still some parts that are within quotes and thus have not been touched. For example, "Press any key to start", or "pngBigBadAssExplosion". Is there some way I can reliably minify even those, or encrypt/obscurify those that cannot be minified?
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10:04:40  <staar2>Does anyone use similar approach of declaring errors like its done in restify ? http://mcavage.me/node-restify/#Error-handling
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10:30:11  <Industrial>Hi. Say I have a node file that I want to run some tests on.
10:30:24  <Industrial>This is not a module, it doesnt export anything, but it does start a server on say port 8080
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10:30:48  <Industrial>How do I know when it is ready / has started?
10:31:03  <Industrial>Right now, I'm throwing HTTP requests at a server that's not yet listening in my test.
10:31:58  <Sven_vB>Industrial, provide the target file with a stubbed net or http module
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10:34:58  <whyhankee>Industrial: normally you dont want to start a server when running tests. If you are using express as framework you can use 'supertest' to test your routes
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11:27:08  <angelazou>hi, I have a socket.io script that is being moved to a new environment using vhost with subdirectory
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11:27:49  <angelazou>I'm having problem having the socket.IO connect
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11:28:39  <angelazou>because the paths are different i.e. there is additional path
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11:28:51  <angelazou>so /socket.io becomes /nodejs/socket.io
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11:30:50  <micheil>angelazou: i might be wrong, but I don't think socket.io supports being hosted out of a subdir, or, at least, I've known people to have issues with that.
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11:31:04  <micheil>angelazou: you may want to try Primus instead of Socket.io
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11:34:12  <angelazou>micheil: i see, I also found a express.vhost that could help
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11:34:46  <angelazou>but I haven't found examples for subdirectory so far, so I'm not sure it could work
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11:39:35  <gildean>angelazou: just use io.connect() it should automagically know where to connect
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11:45:24  <`3rdEden>gildean: lies
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11:45:52  <`3rdEden>that only works if you page is hosted on exactly the same page / port / protocol / domain combination
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11:55:47  <`3rdEden>angelazou: you would need to change the `resource` option of socket.io if you don’t want to have it serve from /socket.io/ but from something else
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11:55:59  <`3rdEden>angelazou: or if you use primus, it’s just called pathname ;-)
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11:56:51  <staar2>any hosters beside heroku, digitallocean who has support for websockets ?
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11:57:05  <noderino>hey there, i'm using 'https' to download a few files, and the files are being created, but they are zero byes / empty. Can anyone point me in the right direction? http://pastebin.com/GK0e1nxY
11:57:06  <`3rdEden>staar2: nodejitsu
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11:59:38  <emeve89>hello folks!! I'm looking for a good nodejs book. Could you please recommend me one?
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12:03:27  <staar2>emeve89, there isn't good book
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12:07:28  <hareth>hello
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12:16:37  <angelazou>`3rdEden: I was wondering if you can give me a hint on how to set up with resource option
12:16:42  <angelazou>so on the server side, I'm doing
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12:16:51  <angelazou>io.set('resource', 'nodejs/socket.io').of('/livechat').on('connection', function() { //blah blah });
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12:17:04  <angelazou>and on the client side, I have
12:17:21  <angelazou>io.set('resource', '/nodejs/socket.io').connect('http://example.com/nodejs/livechat');
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12:18:09  <angelazou>but when I open my page example.com/livechat, I can no longer access the socket.io.js file
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12:18:29  <angelazou>I can not reach it using either example.com/nodejs/socket.io.js or example.com/socket.io.js
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12:18:46  <`3rdEden>angelazou: serverside needs a slash in the resource, client side does not
12:18:54  <`3rdEden>see https://github.com/LearnBoost/Socket.IO/wiki/Configuring-Socket.IO
12:19:15  <`3rdEden>and it’s io.connect(url,options)
12:19:21  <`3rdEden>for the client
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12:20:56  <hiteshtr>can someone tell me what this module of nodejs do require('util')._extend
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12:26:22  <hiteshtr>what does _extend function do in nodejs ?
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12:26:47  <hiteshtr>it is part of util module of nodejs
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12:30:08  <angelazou>awesome, it worked. thanks `3rdEden
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12:40:20  <Lunar_Lamp>I'm using the http module for a very simple application, and I can access details of incoming requests like "req.url" and act upon that. However, I can't see how to get the actual "payload" of incoming POSTs, which are JSON. Could someone point me in the right direction (I'm sure I'm being an idiot).
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12:40:32  <jchannon_>hi was wondering if someone can help a noob with sinon. i have a gist that someone can hopefully help me out on https://gist.github.com/jchannon/83258bd7f144f0a294be
12:41:22  <isaacbw>Lunar_Lamp: the incoming message is readable stream
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12:41:38  <ironfroggy>Does anyone know if the Mocha test tool supports asynchronous before/after functions, not just the tests themselves?
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12:41:52  <ironfroggy>the async docs for Mocha only refer to the it() calls
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12:43:20  <Lunar_Lamp>isaacbw: aaah, so it doesn't get stored automatically like the parameters of the request, I have to access the stream?
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12:44:45  <Lunar_Lamp>Well, that explains why I was having so much trouble :-D Could you link me to some documentation that has an example of this in use? (I've *very* new to nodejs)
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12:46:15  <isaacbw>woaaaaah did connect remove all its middleware
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12:46:35  <isaacbw>wtf, where did express's middleware go as well
12:46:38  <isaacbw>WHAT IS HAPPENING
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12:47:37  <isaacbw>I'm trying to find something for you Lunar_Lamp, but everything's gone missing
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12:48:51  <delight>why is it that in node and in particular express/connect or even sailsjs I need to set the routes manually while some other frameworks (particular like grails, rails etc.) use a URLMapper that helps with a rule to generate all sort of "routes" ?
12:48:55  <isaacbw>this might help Lunar_Lamp http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13410960/how-to-read-an-entire-text-stream-in-node-js
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12:49:09  <isaacbw>basically you have a string variable, and on each 'data' even you add to it
12:49:13  <Lunar_Lamp>isaacbw: thank you very much :-)
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12:49:15  <isaacbw>then on 'end', you can do stuff with the data
12:49:22  <delight>maybe I'm missundertanding some fundamentals here ... I'm pretty new to node and its concepts
12:49:27  <isaacbw>you can use the new streams API, but I just use 'data' and 'end' still
12:49:32  <isaacbw>not that I do much with streams
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12:50:05  <isaacbw>delight: because node itself doesn't do any of that. It just gives you a url string and says "have fun"
12:50:14  <isaacbw>so different libraries that use node approach the problem in different ways
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12:50:40  <isaacbw>are you talking about stuff like 'resource' in rails?
12:50:45  <isaacbw>oh, I misread your question
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12:50:52  <isaacbw>so yea, 'resource'?
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12:51:50  <jchannon_>any Sinon experts about?
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12:52:01  <delight>isaacbw: well I would have to look up again what is it called in rails ... but I mean an URLMapper ... basically you specify a generic rule and it generates the "routes" for you from the given controllers and the you implemented
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12:52:35  <delight>isaacbw: additionally you can spacify rules that give you exaclty one "route"
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12:53:09  <delight>I found it a little tedious and somewhat redudant to have to specify them for manually every single "route"
12:53:28  <isaacbw>delight: so noders like to work close to the metal
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12:53:38  <delight>;)
12:53:42  <isaacbw>which means they eschew niceties such as proper routing libraries
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12:54:02  <Lcfvs>hi all... little non-js question... I would say that I provide my full sources ... "fully sourced" is correct, in english, please? :)
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12:54:23  <isaacbw>delight: I suspect it will change eventaully as node maturers, but for now everyone is still trying to be like express, which is like sinatra
12:54:30  <isaacbw>*matures
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12:54:34  <isaacbw>you could make a real routing library!
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12:55:12  <isaacbw>something like perl's catalyst maybe
12:55:14  <delight>isaacbw: yes ... I think sails might have some potential ... but I'm not sure about it at the current state
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12:55:40  <isaacbw>eh
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12:55:43  <delight>but the don't over routing-rules either ...
12:55:44  <isaacbw>I don't know about sails
12:55:47  <delight>offer
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12:56:00  <isaacbw>I do like the modularity of node, still
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12:56:28  <isaacbw>I think if you took the routing component from rails, and *just* the routing component (i.e you managed to not bring over the whole MVC business) you would be golden
12:56:58  <isaacbw>Lcfvs: I don't think it's clear what that means
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12:57:06  <isaacbw>you could say "fully open source" maybe
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12:57:09  <delight>isaacbw: I just stumbled over it a few days ago .. looked promising on the first look ... can't realy recomend or not. I need to gather some more experience before
12:57:29  <Lcfvs>isaacbw: ok, thanks a lot :)
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12:57:39  <isaacbw>sure, spend some time with it if you like. But I just know that I hardly ever see anyone talking about it
12:57:44  <isaacbw>maybe because they're all in #sailsjs
12:57:47  <delight>it builds uppon expess and socket.io
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12:58:04  <delight>:-D possibly
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12:59:25  <Lcfvs>isaacbw: I rewrote my encryption algorithm, I republished soon =)
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12:59:47  <delight>well i wouldn't mind a routing lib with more features ... even as an optional future ... just to be able to specify "rules" for routes not each one by one
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13:02:17  <isaacbw>delight: what sorts of rules are you talking about? I can't really imagine anything other than resource
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13:04:00  <delight>isaacbw: maybe I'm still misunderstanding some concepts (sorry if so - pretty new to node world) - what I mean is something like that http://www.grails.org/doc/2.3.x/ref/Plug-ins/URL%20mappings.html
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13:04:47  <Lcfvs>any node-webkit or nodebob users, here? :)
13:04:50  <delight>its not listed there but you can also specify a certain mapping for lets say just POST or DELETE to a certain "URL" and it map it to a method etc.
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13:06:24  <delight>isaacbw: but probably I need to read deeper into it - to find why things are like they are in node ;)
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13:07:22  <isaacbw>delight: like I said, people just don't like to do complicated things
13:07:33  <isaacbw>and don't like using libraries that require learning
13:07:42  <isaacbw>I'm not being fecetious
13:07:49  <isaacbw>this is how the Node community is
13:07:53  <isaacbw>for better or for worse
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13:09:28  <delight>isaacbw: :) just seemed a litte non-dry to me ... but maybe it lays in the eye of the viewer .. as I said I'll have to look deeper into it ;)
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13:09:53  <isaacbw>let me rephrase, that's just how the JS community is (for the most part)
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13:10:06  <isaacbw>(there are really awesome, difficult projects like emscripten going on)
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13:21:54  <Sven_vB>delight, can you show me code that would be easier with extra DELETE and POST stuff on it?
13:22:24  <Sven_vB>maybe i'll add some hooks for that to my upcoming application server
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13:23:35  <delight>Sven_vB: well yes ... but as I said I'm pretty new to node ... so I'm just finding out about :param and express.static
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13:24:01  <delight>I'll create a little example on some bin
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13:24:26  <Sven_vB>np, my app server is intended to lure beginners
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13:25:06  <Sven_vB>s:lure:also appeal to:
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13:25:28  <isaacbw>what's an app server
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13:26:26  <delight>Sven_vB: I'm not sure we can match this so easily in the node world ... a quick googling brout me to stackoverflow
13:26:27  <plepzz>I think it's an server that host apps! :D
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13:26:36  <delight>:-D haha
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13:26:54  <delight>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/955603/restful-grails-application-drying-up-urlmapping <<< something like this + look at the answer
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13:27:24  <plepzz>Well our appserver at my work is used for serveral different rest interfaces :p
13:27:33  <Sven_vB>isaacbw, a mix of an opinionated framework, a plugin rack, services broker and all other glue that you'd want to stick pieces together.
13:27:56  <delight>but to be honest ... the point is you would have to distinct somehow between certain components and call something a controller so you could talk with those artifacts
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13:29:10  <Sven_vB>isaacbw, e.g. if you want a chat and a forum, make it load some webserving interface, some identity provider, some chat and some forum module. for persistency, add some database. an ideal perfect app server could make them all fit together in just the right way.
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13:31:49  <Sven_vB>some projects like "component" and "big" seem to work in that direction already, but i don't get their architecture and/or how to make them use file system paths as parts of route prefixes. the latter is how i want to help PHP guys switch to node.
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13:34:17  <Sven_vB>also i'd like to have web apps, and thus an HTTP interface, just one random kind of interface. so for the forums and chat example, it should be equally easy to have IRC for the chat and an NNTP interface for the forum, the latter sharing Nickserv accounts for identity.
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13:46:48  <elvin>hi every one
13:46:58  <Sven_vB>hi
13:47:10  <elvin>how is life going on
13:47:21  <elvin>i have started the node
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13:47:26  <elvin>very newly
13:47:30  <elvin>and i am a new bee
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13:47:32  <elvin>in this
13:47:42  <liquid-silence>you said that 3 times now
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13:48:50  <Sven_vB>elvin, pls try and write the entire message before you send it.
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13:49:03  <isaacbw>but
13:49:06  <isaacbw>what's
13:49:08  <isaacbw>wrong
13:49:10  <isaacbw>with
13:49:12  <isaacbw>writing
13:49:14  <isaacbw>one
13:49:16  <isaacbw>word
13:49:18  <isaacbw>per
13:49:20  <isaacbw>line
13:49:26  <Lcfvs>any node-webkit or nodebob users, here?
13:49:40  <Sven_vB>> npm nodebob
13:49:41  <fluxbot>Sven_vB: Searching NPM...
13:49:42  <fluxbot>Sven_vB: Not found, or error finding.
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13:49:54  <worm`>node-webkit yes but I'm kinda new with it
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13:50:45  <Lcfvs>i have 1 problem with node-webkit : i can't get the process arguments
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13:51:51  <Lcfvs>and an other with nodebob, it executes my app from the temporary directory (unwanted behaviour)
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13:52:27  <Lcfvs>any ideas, please? :)
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13:54:00  <Lcfvs>i tried, a few days ago, on their own googlegroups/irc but no response
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13:54:52  <worm`>I'm not even sure what you mean with the process arguments
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13:55:10  <worm`>which process?
13:55:11  <Lcfvs>worm`: process.argv[1] is undefined
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13:55:34  <worm`>the arguments you pass to nw?
13:55:36  <Lcfvs>unlike to the node.js spec
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13:55:37  <isaacbw>does node webkit give you access to the node context?
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13:55:44  <Lcfvs>worm`: yes
13:55:44  <isaacbw>I thought it just put you in a browser context
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13:56:14  <Lcfvs>isaacbw: yes, in node context
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13:56:32  <Lcfvs>i can get the process.argv[0] ('node')
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13:58:05  <Lcfvs>i tried via nwsnapshot with the --js_arguments option -> same result
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13:59:06  <Lcfvs>the detailled issue : https://github.com/rogerwang/node-webkit/issues/1643#issuecomment-36618164
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13:59:20  <isaacbw>Lcfvs: what's the line you're passing
13:59:26  <isaacbw>in the shell
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14:01:03  <Lcfvs>isaacbw: nwsnapshot --extra_code source.js snapshot.bin --js_arguments 123
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14:03:01  <Lcfvs>isaacbw: conforming to the node doc, the process.argv[1] must be the script path, the normally, the js_arguments, no?
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14:03:21  <sekyms>I don't understand how to not load your entire applications JS files in the layout template with express
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14:20:32  <Lcfvs>for the detailled issue on nodebob : https://github.com/geo8bit/nodebob/issues/9
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14:25:15  <kenansulayman>isaacs additionally to my still-not-working-really sqlite3-trunk package, here's something more strange when updating npm itself: http://data.sly.mn/text/0R2E2b1s093u/cli
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14:26:35  <alanhoff>Off topic: how to protect APIs from CSRF?
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14:26:49  <kenansulayman>With a csrf token? :)
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14:27:23  <alanhoff>kenansulayman, not if I'm using the same api for the website and other apps, I can't track page rendering or clicks..
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14:28:14  <kenansulayman>Why should that be impossible?
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14:29:51  <alanhoff>because I can't distinguish an request coming from a webpage or from an app, the server needs to be transparent
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14:29:56  <alanhoff>*a request
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14:30:22  <kenansulayman>[15:26:53] kenansulayman: With a csrf token? :)
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14:30:35  <kenansulayman>for non-webpage requests, require a session token
14:30:45  <kenansulayman>like a oauth handshake
14:31:01  <jdelgado>alanhoff: If you want to do it right, just implement oAuth and require all incoming requests to have the access_token
14:31:06  <kenansulayman>for webpage requests, require a valid csrf token generated for one time.
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14:32:13  <RLa>which package you prefer for generating pdfs?
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14:33:10  <alanhoff>RLa, wkhtmltopdf
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14:37:35  <Lcfvs>isaacbw: is it me who made ​​a mistake or is it really a bug?
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14:38:29  <isaacbw>I don't really know anything about node-webkit
14:38:35  <isaacbw>seems like a pretty big bug to have though
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14:38:55  <Lcfvs>isaacbw: ah, ok, thanks anyway :)
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14:39:14  <Lcfvs>it's really boring :-s
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14:39:55  <LoneSoldier728>I think I know what to do but wanted to get your take, if I have an array of items and a user id, is it better to send them together to the sever or just the id, and do a query for the user array items on the server side
14:40:34  <LoneSoldier728>and essentially another query will follow on the array items
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14:41:52  <jdelgado>LoneSoldier728: If this is high volume, sending it together will cut your requests in half
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14:44:38  <LoneSoldier728>right, I am just wondering (since it is from a phone device) if it affects the UX more if I send it together... and it will have to be a post vs a get I assume since the arrays can be large
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14:45:45  <LoneSoldier728>it will be in high volume... jdelgado and I realize requests will be half but coming from a mobile device will it kill their data useage/make it slower?
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14:46:59  <jdelgado>LoneSoldier728: If it is the same amount of data, nothing would change, other than another round trip - the only difference would be another ~2sec for ping
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14:48:09  <LoneSoldier728>well the difference would be there is more data being sent to the server, since the array items are being sent no? and if an array includes 1000 items cant that become costly?
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14:48:24  <Lcfvs>LoneSoldier728: imo, the lone change is a bigger data tranfert on connection failures
14:48:51  <Lcfvs>(if you send it together)
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14:51:30  <Lcfvs>LoneSoldier728: no, i mean if your user send a big data or 2 half... in the first case, if the connection fails, the user must resend all the data
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14:51:54  <LoneSoldier728>right so it can cost them more essentially right?
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14:52:04  <Lcfvs>LoneSoldier728: yep
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14:53:18  <Lcfvs>LoneSoldier728: and mobile devices have often disconnections
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14:53:41  <LoneSoldier728>right so would it make more sense to send just the userid
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14:54:21  <Lcfvs>LoneSoldier728: probably... but i don't know waht you really need
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14:54:58  <felixjet>if when i implement request('http://www.example') on Q promises i do q.nfcall(request, 'http://www.example')
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14:55:13  <felixjet>how i can implement a post method? like request.post('http://www.example', {form:{key:'value'}})
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14:55:23  <felixjet>i know that i need to do q.nfcall(request, post, 'http://www.example')
14:55:32  <felixjet>but i dont know how to pass the key:value thing
14:56:10  <LoneSoldier728>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22382508/send-array-items-to-server-or-query-it-on-the-server-side Lcfvs
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14:56:23  <LoneSoldier728>I just put the question up maybe it will help describe it better
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14:58:08  <Lcfvs>LoneSoldier728: the A seems appropriated
14:58:11  <Lcfvs>;)
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14:58:59  <LoneSoldier728>ha kk, i figured it makes more sense, if I cared about costs then b would make more sense right
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15:08:06  <Lunar_Lamp>I'm using child_process.exec to start some long-running daemons from within a node script. I grab some of the initial stdout output from them, but I then want to "disown" the processes (i.e. I do not want these children to die if/when the node process does). Is there any way to disown them?
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15:10:42  <Lcfvs>Lunar_Lamp: child.unref() ?
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15:12:14  <Lunar_Lamp>Hmm, that might be what I'm after Lcfvs.
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15:13:42  <Lcfvs>Lunar_Lamp: but, after, the child continues to run...then if you need to stop/restart/reload it... you need to store the process id or listen it with an IPC server ;)
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15:15:00  <LoneSoldier728>Lcfvs I just actually thought about it, I might have to do option B
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15:15:30  <LoneSoldier728>since the sqlitedb might be different since I am not making a request for each person following right away
15:15:31  <Lcfvs>LoneSoldier728: ok, ok, it's only an opinion... ^^
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15:16:57  <Lunar_Lamp>Lcfvs: yeah, this nodejs just calls an init script already, so that's all already dealt with by the init script :-)
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15:20:37  <Lcfvs>Lunar_Lamp: personnaly, i'm working on a fully JS initd script that manage web servers & unix sockets server =)
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15:21:15  <Lcfvs>no cron, no forever, etc. :P
15:21:32  <Lcfvs>pure JS <3
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15:22:09  <jalleyne>hey, anyone here have any experience with chunked transfer encoding ?
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15:22:23  <jalleyne>curl seems to always buffer till i call end in express
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15:24:39  <Lcfvs>jalleyne: never used curl with node... only in php, sorry
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15:25:10  <jalleyne>Lcfvs: curl in terminal, not as a module
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15:28:23  <Drako>Hey there i am currently learning streams can you write to a writeable stream through pipe and .write ? because my data gets messed up when doing so
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15:30:04  <Drako>Currently i parse some image files and extract the color info for each rgb value of pixel i like to use a transform stream piping to a output file stream and after each file i like to wrote out.write("\n")
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15:31:09  <Drako>when i do this it works fine for the first few files but then the transformstream stops working
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15:31:52  <Drako>if i do the transformation by hand and write it directly to the outout stream everything works fine - any ideas?
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