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| <pluma> | As far as I can tell he was banned for arguing that you shouldn't rely on popularity is the primary metric when picking modules to depend on and that it's easier to stick to small modules you can verify by reading the source than just crossing your fingers and hoping for the best. |
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| <pluma> | I'd really just like to know what got him banned so I can make a note not to do the same. Because nothing I can find in that log sounds like something I wouldn't say. |
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| <harbhub> | pluma: http://logs.nodejs.org/node.js/2015-09-11#22:42:58.229 |
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| <harbhub> | http://logs.nodejs.org/node.js/2015-09-11#22:35:22.887 |
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| <harbhub> | basically, at one point i see konobi boot joepie for literally no reason |
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| <harbhub> | joepie91 was actually just helping someone |
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| <harbhub> | had moved on basically, and then in the middle of helping someone |
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| <harbhub> | booted |
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| <harbhub> | as far as i'm concerned, that is an abuse of power |
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| <harbhub> | i will have to dig deeper, but it seems like konobi needs to have powers removed |
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| <harbhub> | i don't want this channel to turn into a place where toxic people like that can have free reign to ban anyone at any time for any reason |
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| <harbhub> | let me know your thoughts team! |
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| <harbhub> | hashtag_: jfhbrook: logs are linked above |
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| <jfhbrook> | harbhub: I think joepie was toxic so I'm with konobi on this one |
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| <harbhub> | ok |
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| <jfhbrook> | but it's not really our call anyway |
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| <harbhub> | we have a say |
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| <jfhbrook> | it's up to the other moderators to review each other |
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| <harbhub> | no |
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| <harbhub> | it is up to the community lol |
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| <jfhbrook> | I mean you can talk to the moderators sure and express concerns |
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| <jfhbrook> | but second-guessing all their decisions? |
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| <RLa> | i saw banning but completely missed the reason |
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| <pluma> | RLa: http://logs.nodejs.org/node.js/2015-09-11#22:35:22.887 |
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| <pepee> | hey guys |
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| <jfhbrook> | sup |
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| <pepee> | how's it going, jfhbrook ? |
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| <RLa> | pluma, thanks |
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| <harbhub> | rla, let us know if you think a ban was appropriate |
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| <RLa> | but i doubt joepie91 actually meant that |
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| <harbhub> | we seem to have some in support, and others not |
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| <RLa> | i have no decision power, i'm not an admin but i was interested knowing the reason |
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| <jfhbrook> | well pepee |
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| <jfhbrook> | nah, RLa joe had a long history of insisting his opinions were fact and harranguing users that disagreed with him |
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| <pepee> | I had no idea this channel existed, nice to know it's here |
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| <jfhbrook> | he told me I was a bad software maintainer because I thought a linter would be a good idea for one of my projects |
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| <emilyrose> | concerns about moderator action belong in PMs with moderators :P |
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| <jfhbrook> | with that, I'm done :) |
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| <emilyrose> | hey jfhbrook :) |
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| <RLa> | i need some sleep |
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| <wooople> | YO |
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| <wooople> | WHAT UP, GUYS |
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| <pluma> | wooople: it's not capslock day yet. |
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| <harbhub> | rla, not sure you need decision power to have an opinion on it, i'm just wondering what people think in order to get a general consensus |
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| <pluma> | wooople: you're over a month early: http://capslockday.com/ |
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| <fataku> | hey guys |
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| <Sorella> | pluma: TIL |
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| <pluma> | Sorella: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/caps-lock-day/eoemkhcgjlkoplmgdboielpeoomhppca |
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| <ningu> | be sure to lock your caps so they aren't stolen |
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| <Sorella> | I prefer reading things without feeling like there's someone screaming at me :) |
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| <ningu> | I also prefer not being screamed at |
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| <pluma> | But caps lock is cruise control for awesome... |
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| <ningu> | but, some enjoy it, apparently |
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| <ningu> | we should just switch to a script that doesn't have upper and lowercase |
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| <ningu> | then this wouldn't be an issue |
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| <harbhub> | jfhbrook: can you link me to any logs that support what you are saying about joepie91? i'd like to see for myself, i've known him to be helpful, our experiences don't really seem to match up |
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| <ningu> | harbhub: no opinion on joepie91 but people can be both helpful _and_ annoying, just pointing that out :P |
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| <jfhbrook> | I'm not willing to grep logs harbhub, sorry |
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| <harbhub> | yeah that is certainly true, i wouldn't say that applies to joepie91 at least from my experiences |
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| <jfhbrook> | and I don't want to really continue this discussion |
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| <jfhbrook> | because again, I think this sort of conversation is most appropriately had in PM with another moderator |
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| <harbhub> | well it is an important discussion considering the person in question has dedicated countless hours to helping people |
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| <jfhbrook> | "helping" |
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| <jfhbrook> | sorry |
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| <harbhub> | the moderators can read this |
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| <harbhub> | and they can formulate opinions from this chat |
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| <jfhbrook> | one moderator already made it clear that you should have this discussion in PM |
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| <harbhub> | better is that for this moment we can have alternative voices, like your own, make their cases |
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| <harbhub> | and i respect that moderator |
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| <harbhub> | and i also respect this channel |
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| <harbhub> | i don't believe i have pushed the boundaries beyond what is reasonable and certainly relevant, especially at a slow time like this |
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| <Sorella> | harbhub: "If an op bans someone, and you think it was unjustified, take it up with that op, or with a different op, in private. Griping about bans in-channel is not tolerated, and will result in more bans." From one of the links in the channel topic |
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| <Sorella> | There's no point in discussing it in the channel in any case |
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| <jfhbrook> | I understand how you feel harbhub I really do |
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| <harbhub> | sorella i tried but konobi isn't here |
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| <jfhbrook> | like I understand that instinct |
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| <jfhbrook> | harbhub: talk to emily about it |
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| <harbhub> | i wanted to see what other people thought |
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| <harbhub> | in order to formulate a less biased opinion |
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| <jfhbrook> | I'm sure they'd be very clear-headed, reasonable and enlightened |
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| <Sorella> | You can discuss it with them when they're back, then |
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| <harbhub> | since, as should be obvious, i have joepie91's back (: |
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| <harbhub> | sorella, i intend on doing so |
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| <harbhub> | my point, again, for bringing the conversation here, was to get peoples opinions so that i could improve my own perspective on the subject |
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| <harbhub> | that being said, i will wait for konobi |
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| <harbhub> | thanks for all those that listened |
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| <ningu> | he is your only hope |
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| <harbhub> | and contributed (: |
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| <jfhbrook> | I see what you did there ningu |
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| <jfhbrook> | harbhub, also keep in mind that in general moderators discuss with users in-private why actions were taken against them and what they can do to clear up the issue |
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| <harbhub> | just going to leave this right here http://logs.nodejs.org/node.js/2015-09-04#20:46:51.407 |
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| <pepee> | so, no one got banned for saying "hey guys" |
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| <pepee> | how sad |
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| <harbhub> | lol |
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| <harbhub> | sorry to disappoint |
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| <harbhub> | :p |
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| <pepee> | :P |
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| <jfhbrook> | nobody ever got banned for saying "hey guys", they got banned for insisting that it was their God-given right to do so |
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| <pepee> | I think I know one person that, indeed, got banned for that |
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| <pepee> | almost instantly IIRC |
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| <pepee> | but I have bad memory, and don't have logs |
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| <jfhbrook> | I know the moderators well enough to know that they go through a lot of pains to communicate when behavior isn't okay |
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| <jfhbrook> | especially for something where most people see it as innocuous |
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