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00:27:51  <merpnderp>a0viedo: how would that work? ./node_modules/express is a directory?
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00:29:27  <merpnderp>a0viedo: ahah, so if node is globally installed, node-generator is installed, but locally it doesn't have it. So I need to explicitly install it. Thanks :)
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01:09:55  <momoterraw>hey guys i have this program i need to create, the program imports like checks some website and import data to a database. Just wondering if this is a node thing
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01:10:29  <momoterraw>basically phone number rates from a csv file that i will download from 2 different providers
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01:11:16  <momoterraw>just wonder whats a good implementation for this I got something going but its like a sphagetti
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01:12:03  <Siecje>When you authenticate with OAuth2 do you get the email or information about the authenticated user?
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02:10:49  <IronY>Hey folks
02:10:58  <IronY>http://cpebc4dfb72db33-cmbc4dfb72db30.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com:1337/command/counter
02:11:15  <IronY>also
02:11:27  <IronY>darla, last-active joepie91
02:11:40  <IronY>Darla, last-active joepie91
02:11:41  <Darla>joepie91 was last active on 12:40pm Jul 2nd saying night all
02:11:55  <a0viedo>Siecje: you get an access token, if you want user info you'll have to request it
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02:29:03  <pcfreak30>joepie91: You there?
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02:30:31  <Siecje>a0viedo: Thanks
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02:34:38  <a0viedo>np
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03:03:16  <joepie91>pcfreak30: yes, hai
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03:04:01  <pcfreak30>few things.
03:04:12  <pcfreak30>First not sure if your aware
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03:04:32  <pcfreak30>but I found out how to create a self executing function in coffee
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03:05:00  <pcfreak30>Second I have an issue with a site in my scraper regarding tough cookie
03:05:29  <pcfreak30>joepie91: Failed to load page: http://www.academicjournals.org/journal, due to error: Cookie not in this host's domain. Cookie:http://www.academicjournals.org/ Request:www.academicjournals.org, re-trying
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03:06:13  <pcfreak30>Darla: its late, and im a bit tired trying to get work done, though joepie91 has helped me enough to know what im doing.
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03:07:11  <pcfreak30>joepie91: before that i had to pass a custom cookie jar to do 'cookieJar: new toughCookie.CookieJar(null, false)'
03:07:49  <joepie91>[05:04] <pcfreak30> but I found out how to create a self executing function in coffee
03:07:53  <joepie91>using `do`? :P
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03:07:57  <pcfreak30>no
03:08:08  <joepie91>(->)()?
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03:08:56  <pcfreak30>https://gist.github.com/pcfreak30/38ac87208daa4fc3801a
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03:09:30  <pcfreak30>i remembered you saying something wasnt possible when i asked
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03:09:37  <joepie91>pcfreak30: right, (->)()
03:09:38  <pcfreak30>think it was that
03:09:45  <joepie91>nah, it's always been possible, it's just annoying
03:09:46  <joepie91>:p
03:09:50  <joepie91>(and it throws off most editors)
03:09:54  <joepie91>(indentation-wise)
03:10:03  <pcfreak30>im in webstorm
03:10:18  <pcfreak30>i would go insane without a ide for auto indent
03:10:24  <joepie91>pcfreak30: either way, I'd put the final () on its own line, because right now it's not at all obvious that it's self-executing
03:10:36  <joepie91>re: the error you quoted, where does it come from?
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03:13:37  <pcfreak30>joepie91: https://gist.github.com/pcfreak30/2eaa3b2b0082dc42070c
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03:14:05  <pcfreak30>bhttp doesnt handle it right and i need that to not fail
03:14:17  <pcfreak30>it comes off tough-cookue
03:14:33  <pcfreak30>Unhandled rejection Error: Cookie has domain set to a public suffix
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03:15:06  <pcfreak30>without custom cookiejar
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03:15:13  <pcfreak30>Cookie not in this host's domain. Cookie:http://www.academicjournals.org/ Request:www.academicjournals.org
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03:15:21  <joepie91>pcfreak30: can you gist the full stack trace
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03:16:30  <pcfreak30>joepie91: https://gist.github.com/pcfreak30/12fe888887ea6c717f6a
03:16:40  <pcfreak30>i enabled bluebird debug for you :)
03:17:06  <joepie91>merci
03:17:14  <pcfreak30>good or bad?
03:17:26  <joepie91>good :P
03:17:31  <joepie91>I think I know where the problem is
03:17:56  <joepie91>pcfreak30: yeah, it's a problem with the site
03:18:01  <pcfreak30>can you release a patch so I can test and commit this site class
03:18:09  <pcfreak30>I know its on their end
03:18:17  <joepie91>pcfreak30: I can add a flag to allow invalid cookies... but that does come with side-effects of course
03:18:19  <pcfreak30>But bad sites should be caught and handled
03:18:29  <jr3>my eyes, coffee!!
03:18:45  <pcfreak30>jr3: coffee script isnt THAT bad
03:18:59  <pcfreak30>especially when you have an IDE
03:19:09  <joepie91>pcfreak30: well, the data they are providing is wrong, so there's no way to reliably handle it unless you just completely turn off domain validation, which will also allow sites to 'impersonate' cookies for entirely different sites... so that's a tradeoff you need to consider
03:19:10  <joepie91>:P
03:19:27  <pcfreak30>joepie91: Im just requesting sites, dont see how bad cookies will do anything if set by the server
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03:19:31  <jr3>aye, I come from MS background, pretty interested in typescript
03:19:33  <joepie91>(the default is correct, but it'd probably be a good idea to add an acceptInvalidCookies flag)
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03:19:53  <joepie91>pcfreak30: okay, so the check that it fails here is "does the request domain match the cookie domain"
03:19:59  <pcfreak30>joepie91: for my case, a MITM attack isnt really a concern
03:20:16  <joepie91>pcfreak30: this is the same check that prevents academicjournals.org from setting a cookie for facebook.com
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03:20:43  <pcfreak30>joepie91: Yes and for me the CSRF doesnt really matter. so..
03:20:47  <joepie91>pcfreak30: to tough-cookie, there's no difference between http://www.academicjournals.org/ (note the http://!) and facebook.com - neither matches the request domain
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03:21:01  <joepie91>pcfreak30: right, I'm just explaining the tradeoff
03:21:05  <joepie91>and why the default behaviour is what it is
03:21:06  <joepie91>:p
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03:21:19  <pcfreak30>joepie91: I get it. Throw out cookie same origin security
03:21:29  <joepie91>basically, by disabling that check, you're opting out of security, so I want to make sure that you understand the possible consequences (and can assess whether it's appropriate for your usecase)
03:21:52  <joepie91>pcfreak30: if you file a bug on the bhttp repo about it, I'll add an acceptInvalidCookies option when I get around to it, I need to have breakfast first
03:21:53  <joepie91>:p
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03:22:03  <pcfreak30>joepie91: Since its only a data miner and nothing security related, a MITM ant going to do shit.
03:22:12  <joepie91>it's not MITM
03:22:26  <pcfreak30>Well you could do malicious stuff by faking a cookie
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03:23:26  <joepie91>yeah
03:23:28  <joepie91>it's spoofing :p
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03:25:56  <pcfreak30>joepie91: https://github.com/joepie91/node-bhttp/issues/6
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03:26:38  <joepie91>pcfreak30: merci, will have a look after breakfast
03:26:40  <joepie91>:P
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03:27:57  <pcfreak30>thanks. sooner the better.
03:28:14  <monkeyisl>isn't there npm stuff that one incoming connection to multiple ports? node proxy or somehting?
03:28:20  <monkeyisl>do i have to code it myself? lol
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03:28:32  <pcfreak30>joepie91: btw you should fix the issue regarding invalid urls. I have hit that more than once already and should be simple
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03:29:03  <pcfreak30>monkeyisl: you mean a multicast proxy thing?
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03:29:43  <monkeyisl>pcfreak30 : i have 4 core machine.. but running one node.js looks lots of waste of hardware power.. so
03:30:08  <joepie91>pcfreak30: invalid URLs just need a better error and fail earlier, it's still going to fail if it's invalid :P
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03:30:12  <pcfreak30>monkeyisl: how would node be a hog?
03:30:16  <monkeyisl>i wanna run multiple instance and need "something" that distributes to node.js that i run on the same machine
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03:30:35  <joepie91>monkeyisl: you're looking for the cluster module, potentially combined with pm2
03:30:36  <monkeyisl>pcfreak30 hog? i'm sorry i don't get it
03:30:42  <monkeyisl>oh
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03:30:58  <pcfreak30>monkeyisl: so your wanting to run multiple node instances and load balance?
03:31:00  <monkeyisl>joepie91 : is there known stuff?
03:31:02  <pcfreak30>Is this a web app?
03:31:15  <joepie91>monkeyisl: ?
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03:31:21  <monkeyisl>pcfreak30 : Yup
03:31:26  <pcfreak30>ok.
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03:31:28  <pcfreak30>use nginx :)
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03:31:37  <monkeyisl><pcfreak30> i'm using it
03:31:37  <joepie91>err.
03:31:47  <joepie91>if you just want multiple node processes for the same thing, cluster/pm2 is fine
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03:32:10  <monkeyisl>what's cluster/pm2 ?
03:32:11  <pcfreak30>https://github.com/Unitech/pm2
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03:32:15  <pcfreak30>rofl
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03:32:22  <pcfreak30>i just now linked it
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03:32:34  <spronk>monkeyisl check out an article by binarymist
03:32:38  <siddharth_>what did you use it for?
03:32:47  <spronk>monkeyisl http://blog.binarymist.net/
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03:33:07  <spronk>some good deep reviews on some of the options
03:33:07  <pcfreak30>monkeyisl: you can also manually setup ode workers to nginx
03:33:33  <pcfreak30>monkeyisl: i would look into using docker containers too. would be a useful use case
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03:34:45  <joepie91>errrrr.
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03:34:50  <joepie91>spronk: " We already have a package manager on Debian and all other main-stream Linux distros. Installing NPM just adds more attack surface area. Unless it’s essential and it shouldn’t be, I’d rather do without it on a production system."
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03:35:04  <joepie91>I was skimming through that site, and that sentence alone makes me very strongly doubt the quality of those articles...
03:35:11  <joepie91>because that's not how you assess attack surface
03:35:11  <spronk>heh
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03:35:32  <joepie91>and IF you're going to rail on npm for security reasons, then it should be for the lack of code signing
03:35:37  <joepie91>not because "we already have a package manager"
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03:35:59  <spronk>i think the point is that you don't need npm on production
03:36:09  <spronk>and from a security standpoint you're always better off starting with nothing and adding on only what you need
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03:36:14  <spronk>as opposed to just blindly installing it
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03:36:31  <joepie91>spronk: that is a mantra that applies primarily to daemons, in particular externally facing daemons
03:36:34  <monkeyisl>lol i heard HaProxy does same shit? lol
03:36:45  <joepie91>spronk: for on-demand processes, it's an almost entirely insignificant data point
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03:36:59  <spronk>joepie91 not necessarily, it depends on what permissions you allow
03:37:08  <pcfreak30>spronk: I think that docker kind of nillifies that. You dont need to bother with putting junk on the host if in a container as it is isolated
03:37:11  <spronk>it's almost one of those .. if you can do it then you have bigger problems thing, but..
03:37:26  <monkeyisl>Haproxy > pm2? any suggession? thank you in advance.
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03:38:09  <joepie91>spronk: npm effectively just wgets and untars
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03:38:13  <joepie91>it doesn't really add any attack surface
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03:38:27  <monkeyisl>pcfreak30 : sounds simple.. how i set?
03:39:01  <joepie91>spronk: I'm very much not a fan of these kind of 'rules' being blindly applied without understanding why said rules exist
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03:39:24  <pcfreak30>monkeyisl: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/nodejs/nodejs-nginx-debian
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03:39:39  <spronk>joepie91 yeah, i agree with you
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03:39:53  <pcfreak30>monkeyisl: https://engineering.gosquared.com/optimising-nginx-node-js-and-networking-for-heavy-workloads
03:40:19  <pcfreak30>monkeyisl: combine the info and you have enough to hook node to nginx
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03:42:53  <joepie91>spronk: another red flag from that article
03:42:55  <joepie91>Just beware of some of the caveats. Like for the load balancing: “we recommend the use of node#0.11.15+ or io.js#1.0.2+. We do not support node#0.10.* cluster module anymore!” 0.11.15 is unstable, but hang-on, I thought PM2 was a “production” process manager? OK, so were happy to mix unstable in with something we label as production?
03:43:05  <joepie91>... that is why it mentions io.js...?
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03:43:50  <joepie91>spronk: it complains about only supporting Node 0.11 while being a 'production' manager, but then completely ignores that there's also io.js in the supported releases
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03:44:11  <spronk>eh?
03:44:37  <spronk>i read that as saying that PM2 recommending an unstable package casts doubt on PM2 overall?
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04:02:29  <ljharb>node 0.11 is never recommended.
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04:04:28  <pcfreak30>So golang or nodejs?
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04:04:41  <ningu>that's not much of a question without a task in mind
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04:08:59  <NinjaBanjo>joepie91: I use pm2 on 0.12.5 without issue. in production right now.
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04:11:15  <spronk>well
04:11:18  <spronk>it recommends you don't use 10.x
04:11:27  <spronk>but nothing else is stable so..
04:11:52  <NinjaBanjo>spronk: 0.12? every even release is considered a stable release
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04:12:12  <spronk>oh, yeah, 0.12
04:12:37  <joepie91>don't think 0.12 was out at the time of writing that article
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04:14:27  <spronk>prolly not
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06:11:43  <croc>hey if i want to run a terminal command, and have control over input output, response codes etc.. what should i use?
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06:15:10  <ningu>croc: child_process.spawn generally
06:15:29  <gemtastic>What about this? https://nodejs.org/api/process.html#process_process
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06:15:40  <gemtastic>Question not suggestion^
06:15:52  <croc>ningu, yeah i looked atprocess.spawn
06:15:54  <ningu>that is for the current process that is running, not other processes
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06:18:41  <gemtastic>I see
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06:23:00  <gemtastic>Hello
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06:23:25  <joepie91>croc: child_process, yes
06:23:27  <joepie91>spawn, not exec
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06:23:45  <croc>will this be suitable for running 1000's of commands quickly?
06:23:57  <croc>basically i'm building a chef like thing but in node.js
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06:24:23  <croc>i've got one in ruby, but it's too slow because all the commands are syncronous
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06:24:47  <croc>so for example creating 100 directories takes like 14 seconds.. nodejs ... 4ms :D
06:24:50  <croc>sorry 8ms
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06:25:32  <ningu>croc: sounds reasonable I guess, I've never spawned a huge number of processes but don't see why not
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06:26:07  <joepie91>croc: should work fine. though you should generally limit spawning to what you actually need to spawn
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06:28:53  <Guest93249>https://gist.github.com/aroman/a6f62393b8087904c8d4
06:29:14  <croc>hmm so is this starting up a process: https://github.com/substack/node-mkdirp/blob/master/index.js ?
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06:34:49  <joepie91>ningu: to a degree, yes - but this applies for all major operating systems
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06:34:52  <joepie91>:) *
06:35:05  <joepie91>croc: no
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06:35:21  <joepie91>croc: it just reimplements the functionality of mkdir -p
06:35:27  <joepie91>it does seem to be synchronous, though
06:35:32  <joepie91>oh nvm
06:35:35  <joepie91>I was looking at the sync method
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06:37:23  <relipse>Is it possible in html5 and node to send voice chat from microphone to server and then broadccast to others?
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06:39:30  <Pratik>Hi
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06:39:53  <Pratik>i am trying to connect nodejs with drupal
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06:40:00  <Havvy>relipse: Probably. Though I wouldn't call it HTML5. Look into WebRTC.
06:40:07  <Pratik>i am facing issue
06:40:17  <Pratik>to connect with socket.io
06:40:20  <relipse>yep found it thanks Havvy
06:40:23  <Pratik>can anyone help me out
06:40:29  <relipse>Pratik, i'll try
06:40:41  <Pratik>Failed to load resource: net::ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
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06:57:17  <markand>when I catch an exception, is that possible that I get the line number and file name ?
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07:01:05  <sgronblo>Can you call HttpServer.listen with only a callback? https://github.com/Automattic/socket.io/blob/master/test/socket.io.js#L1458
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07:02:00  <sgronblo>This seems to indicate that at least path, port or handle is mandatory? https://nodejs.org/api/http.html#http_class_http_server
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07:08:41  <derbie>Hey! I've worked with node.js on a small project and boy it was a hassle to use a nosql db like mongodb. I am about to start working on a e-commerce project, something similar to a "price finder" application, where you search for the best deal on products. Seems pretty relational to me. Would you use mongodb?
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07:10:06  <ningu>derbie: pick the right db for the job, there are good sql drivers for node
07:10:18  <ningu>knex and bookshelf are good, as well
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07:10:23  <derbie>I see reaction commerce uses mongodb
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07:19:23  <chovy>derbie: checkout rethinkdb
07:19:31  <chovy>it is NoSQL with joins
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07:20:24  <derbie>i would go with Postgres so i can safely put it on my CV
07:20:46  <derbie>But thanks for the suggestion chovy
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07:21:37  <Mia>Should I switch to iojs from nodejs?
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07:21:49  <Mia>I see in speed comparisons its much better than node 0.12
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07:22:09  <Mia>but now there are these news about "the unite" of iojs
07:22:19  <Mia>I mean what's the future, can someone clear it up for me?
07:22:24  <Mia>I'm not sure what's worth what's not etc
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07:23:04  <derbie>dafaq first time i hear about iojs
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07:24:29  <Bone9375>Mia, iojs is merging with nodejs I think
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07:24:40  <Mia>Bone9375, then will it be called nodejs?
07:24:42  <ljharb>yes
07:24:49  <ljharb>the next version of node will be iojs major + 1
07:24:50  <xar>Is there any book talking about how to build node.js APIs ?
07:24:53  <Mia>hm so no need to compicate things for now then?
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07:25:03  <ljharb>so right now that means the next node will be 3.0.0 which will be based mostly off of iojs 2
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07:25:18  <Mia>ljharb, when is that going to happen
07:25:18  <ljharb>Mia: so what that means is, the farther you are from latest iojs, the harder the upgrade might be
07:25:21  <ljharb>sometime this year
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07:25:37  <Mia>hm so I should switch to iojs already?
07:25:40  <ljharb>so yes, you should be on latest iojs
07:25:48  <ljharb>especially if you're already on 0.12
07:25:50  <Mia>okay, thanks ljharb
07:25:52  <ljharb>np
07:25:55  <Mia>yes I am on 0.12
07:26:03  <Mia>will my things work seamlessly on there as well
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07:26:17  <xcesariox>ljharb: hi can you help me out with my error ? https://gist.github.com/shaunstanislaus/1620772b8704b714fc76
07:26:20  <derbie>ljharb: is it worth for a novice to switch to it as well ? :-)
07:26:57  <xcesariox>ljharb: i have a SyntaxError: Unexpected token in line 27 but line 27 there isn't any closing error did i do it wrongly?
07:27:05  <ljharb>derbie: skill level's pretty irrelevant
07:27:16  <ljharb>Mia: they should yes
07:27:25  <Mia>thak you ljharb
07:27:26  <ljharb>xcesariox: this is more of a ##js question but ok
07:27:41  <ljharb>xcesariox: line 8 has an extra {
07:28:02  <xcesariox>ljharb: silly me, thank you
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07:28:22  <markand>I'm in hurry to have node 3.0 :)
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07:29:20  <bucaran>anyone interested in trying out Fly :) just 3 days and ES6~ES7 support out of the box is coming soon
07:29:31  <bucaran>ljharb: followed ur adviced and refactored the watch API ;)
07:29:41  <ljharb>nice
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07:30:58  <derbie>ljharb: is this legit or bullshit? http://anandmanisankar.com/posts/nodejs-iojs-why-the-fork/
07:31:25  <ljharb>derbie: that's from february
07:31:40  <ljharb>it was basically true when it was written tho i think
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07:31:53  <ljharb>iojs only came out in janary
07:31:55  <ljharb>*january
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07:32:06  <bucaran>=> https://github.com/flyjs/fly
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07:58:19  <greves>anyone here familiar with Mandrill ?
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08:04:34  <ningu>I am more familiar with the monkey than anything else, so I can't help you there
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08:05:03  <greves>heh
08:05:18  <greves>ok np i got an answer on google eventually, something wasn't explained in the API docs is all
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08:39:09  <gemtastic>morning
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08:49:11  <Mia>How hould I install iojs?
08:49:34  <Gottox>with nvm
08:49:50  <Mia>Gottox, I don't have nvm setup
08:50:01  <Mia>I was using apt-get for nodejs
08:50:21  <ljharb>don't install node with apt.
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08:52:10  <rand0m>mia https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/installing-iojs-ubuntu-allan-f-gagnon-1
08:52:11  <Mia>ljharb, i just don't get how nvm works for production env
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08:52:41  <ljharb>the same way it works in dev. you install nvm with the user that will run node, you use nvm to install node/iojs, and you run that.
08:52:50  <ljharb>and you can run it with a login shell as a service
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08:53:45  <Mia>ljharb, hmm everyone is suggesting nvm lately
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08:54:02  <Mia>I know I should switch I'm just sometimes afraid of those things as I'm new to everything alltogether
08:54:08  <Mia>and I barely got my things working
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08:54:51  <Mia>should I uninstall nodejs before installing nvm?
08:55:08  <rand0m>Mia https://github.com/coolaj86/iojs-install-script#ubuntu-linux ?
08:55:40  <lennym>Does anyone have any advice about how to analyse heapdumps for memory leaks?
08:55:42  <Mia>random thanks, I think I will prefer a manual method as I really want to learn what is happening
08:55:53  <Mia>if things get messed up I want to know what I did wrong
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08:55:58  <lennym>All of the resources I can find go along the lines of "take heapdumps. look at them" but then go no further.
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08:57:01  <Mia>lennym I had issues lately with memory. I was suggested to use node-inspector and v8-profiler
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08:57:20  <Mia>eventhough it did not help me find my issue, the combination might work for some leaks
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08:57:45  <Mia>my memory leak was happening over a long period of time, and node-inspector was crashing in short period of times, for some reason
08:57:48  <rand0m>lenny http://dtrace.org/blogs/dap/2012/01/13/playing-with-nodev8-postmortem-debugging/
08:58:05  <Mia>But I believe you should be able to use heapdump and use chrome inspector to understand them lennym
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08:58:34  <lennym>I can use heapdump and chrome inspector to look at them
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08:58:38  <rand0m>yeah you can
08:58:49  <lennym>The issue I have is making the leap from "looking" to "understanding"
08:58:57  <ljharb>Mia: yes you should uninstall it first
08:59:08  <rand0m>https://developer.chrome.com/devtools/docs/heap-profiling < here
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08:59:36  <Mia>ljharb, I'm on digitalocean using a pre-set ubuntu nodejs droplet
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08:59:51  <Mia>how should I do a perfect uninstallation? I don't want to encounter issues.
08:59:53  <ljharb>ah, that's different. then you have to use whatever they support.
08:59:57  <Mia>I'll give nvm another try
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09:00:28  <Mia>ljharb, I don't think they support it in a specific way I mean I have my terminal access as root
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09:00:36  <Mia>that was just an "easy setup" thing I picked from list
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09:01:25  <rand0m>mia unbuild ?
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09:01:37  <Mia>rand0m, what is that O_O
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09:01:53  <rand0m>I forgot :P
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09:02:33  <Mia>http://hungred.com/how-to/completely-removing-nodejs-npm/ -- I found this to uninstall node completely, doyou think this is a nice one to follow
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09:03:06  <Havvy>^^ Exactly why I use NixOS...
09:03:09  <rand0m>why do you want to remove node?
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09:10:28  <Antriel>Hi, I'm trying to package a node app into standalone console .exe. Went with enclose, but I'm getting an error that it can't find module, which is there, but it's looking inside lib-cov and not lib where it's at. Which I assume should have been generated by node-resolve which enclose uses?
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09:12:22  <Antriel>Any ideas what to try next to package the app as standalone exe?
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09:19:20  <lennym>rand0m: Yeah, I read that article, but it seems to be more heavily targeted towards browser-based/DOM debugging rather than Node processes.
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09:19:37  <lennym>rand0m: I'm using heapdump npm module to take my dumps.
09:19:42  <lennym>!npm heapdump
09:19:42  <npmbot>lennym: heapdump (0.3.6) - Make a dump of the V8 heap for later inspection. -> https://npmjs.org/package/heapdump
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09:26:10  <rand0m>lenntym http://addyosmani.com/blog/taming-the-unicorn-easing-javascript-memory-profiling-in-devtools/
09:26:14  <rand0m>lennym:
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09:27:03  <rand0m>https://strongloop.com/node-js/devops-tools/
09:28:14  <MachinShin> /7
09:28:39  <lennym>I read Addy's article too. It has the same issues for me as the chrome dev one, namely that it talks only about DOM profiling.
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09:41:51  <Antriel>could someone explain to me please what's the point of SomeApp.js having var someApp = require("SomeApp"); in itself?
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09:46:09  <rand0m>where did you see that Antriel ?
09:46:31  <Antriel>in Flambe development server which runs on NodeJS
09:46:42  <Antriel>I'm trying to make a standalone exe of that
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09:46:58  <Antriel>https://github.com/aduros/flambe/blob/master/command/flambe.js
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09:49:26  <Antriel>googling around, seems like it's not needed to do and works because node can handle cyclic dependencies
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09:50:10  <Antriel>I'm trying to figure out why, if I copy paste this flambe.js and all other things around it, I can't run it via `node newPath\flambe.js`
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10:08:05  <fattest>I'm trying to create an object factory because everyone needs to have their own username (it is not a shared object) but I keep getting a function returned in the console. Why is this? http://pastebin.com/b3Qqx0JM
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10:10:45  <Antriel>fattest: I'm not a js dev, but it seems to me that you stored the actual function in that variable, you need to actually execute it at some point: `username()`
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10:11:32  <fattest>Antriel fascinating! let me try this
10:12:05  <fattest>thank you! it works
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10:17:50  <bucaran>anyone interested in trying out Fly? :)
10:17:52  <bucaran>=> https://github.com/flyjs/fly
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10:18:31  <joepie91>fattest: your indentation and formatting is broken - aside from that, what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
10:18:49  <joepie91>fattest: you say "everyone needs to have their own username", but why do you need an 'object factory' for this?
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10:20:01  <xar>is it better to throw errors or to return them as ERR in callbacks?
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10:20:22  <fattest>joepie91 ok im trying to build a chat application, and i have a button that i use as a stub; when i click that button, through socket.io, it logs out username(), but when i access the page in two different browser, it keeps logging the same username on each one
10:20:22  <lennym>xar: The latter
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10:20:46  <xar>lennym, why please?
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10:23:12  <joepie91>xar: you can't catch errors thrown from a callback
10:23:16  <joepie91>er
10:23:18  <joepie91>from a nodeback*
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10:23:25  <joepie91>(ie. a function(err, result) style callback)
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10:24:26  <joepie91>fattest: okay, but it's still not entirely clear to me what you're trying to do... sounds like you're having trouble doing state keeping
10:24:36  <lennym>Well... it depends on the nature of the error. A handle-able error should be passed to the callback
10:24:59  <joepie91>fattest: not sure how much socket.io does for you, but generally you want to keep an array of user objects
10:25:06  <joepie91>one for each connection
10:25:12  <lennym>So known error states should be passed through to the callback, unknown error states can throw
10:25:25  <joepie91>lennym: such as?
10:25:34  <lennym>So definitely don't do try { /* loads of code */ } catch (e) { callback(e); }
10:25:44  <joepie91>use promises! :D
10:26:25  <lennym>But also don't do: if (/* check for error state */) { throw new Error(...); }
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10:31:20  <joepie91>well then. http://littlehappycloud.net/singapore/
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10:36:24  <Antriel>well JXcore managed to package the node app into standalone .exe, but it doesn't pass in params...
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10:53:09  <fattest>is redis.io working for you guys?
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10:54:50  <gemtastic>what do you call the methods like "require" and where can I read their API? Are they listed specifically somewhere?
10:54:51  <lennym>fattest: Nah, looks to be spinning here.
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10:57:41  <xar>does this command line "istanbul cover node_modules/mocha/bin/mocha -- -R spec" still working?
10:58:41  <GreenJello>gemtastic, https://nodejs.org/api/modules.html
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10:59:04  <GreenJello>that doc is a bit thick to read, any intro to node.js tutorial will cover it
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10:59:29  <GreenJello>(thick as in "not easy to follow, unorganized")
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11:02:03  <gemtastic>But the way I understood it, the method require() is not the module allthough it has to be part of some internal module to work.
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11:02:38  <gemtastic>reequire() is never instanciated, but require('http') is getting you the http module...
11:02:45  <gemtastic>Am I making any sense to you?
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11:03:15  <xar>does this command line "istanbul cover node_modules/mocha/bin/mocha -- -R spec" still working?
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11:05:06  <gemtastic>Ah, it's part of the module object. I assume that is a global object then that all .js files can access?
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11:06:18  <gemtastic>*all = within the module?
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11:12:59  <rand0m>joepie91 you here?
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11:15:15  <rand0m>can someone point me to the right example to check if a folder exists ?
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11:24:08  <joepie91>rand0m: yes, here - but as I explained yesterday, you *shouldn't* be checking whether a folder exists :)
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11:26:40  <rand0m>joepie91 ive tried what you've asked me to
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11:27:01  <rand0m>the script creates a folder if it doesnt exist
11:27:05  <rand0m>which is fine and dandy
11:27:14  <rand0m>but when i run the script again
11:27:21  <rand0m>it does nothing
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11:27:43  <rand0m>I have error handling to console.log error message
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11:28:03  <rand0m>I get no error message or any indications, and the process terminates
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11:30:23  <rand0m>anyways, I've uses lstatSync to achieve what I needed
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11:30:35  <rand0m>just was wondering if it was the right way to do
11:30:36  <joepie91>rand0m: so you should fix the correct way of doing it, rather than replacing it with the wrong way of doing it
11:30:38  <rand0m>http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=1BsAJatB <-- my code
11:30:40  <joepie91>no, it isn't..
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11:31:10  <joepie91>rand0m: so try doing it the way I described again, and if it still doesn't work, share the code
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11:31:42  <joepie91>and then me or somebody else can help out to get that right
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11:33:51  <rand0m>here joepie91 http://pastebin.com/mjpHnAvg
11:34:25  <rand0m>this error occurs even if there is no dir or there is dir
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11:34:54  <joepie91>rand0m: er, hold on.
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11:35:07  <joepie91>rand0m: you should certainly rename folderExists to createFolder anyway
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11:36:09  <rand0m>ok, i will when it works
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11:36:25  <joepie91>rand0m: you should fix such things sooner rather than later :) it helps you spot bugs easier
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11:36:42  <joepie91>(still trying to figure out what's going on there)
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11:38:01  <joepie91>rand0m: bug in line 15 - should be if(err != null), not if(!err)
11:38:21  <joepie91>rand0m: though I don't get why you're trying to treat it as synchronous code
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11:38:45  <rand0m>I want everything to wait until this check is cmplete
11:39:01  <joepie91>rand0m: then this is not the right way to do that :P anyhow, why the "w" argument/
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11:39:11  <joepie91>because that's not a valid mode
11:39:13  <rand0m>ive changed it sorry
11:39:16  <rand0m>it should br r+
11:39:20  <joepie91>no
11:39:23  <joepie91>that's still not a valid mode
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11:39:31  <joepie91>rand0m: https://nodejs.org/api/fs.html#fs_fs_mkdir_path_mode_callback
11:39:40  <joepie91>it's a mask for setting permissions
11:39:47  <joepie91>not an open() mode
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11:40:03  <joepie91>just don't specify anything there
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11:40:14  <joepie91>anyway, hold on
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11:40:31  <joepie91>rand0m: the .forEach code with argv is also redundant, btw
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11:41:06  <joepie91>rand0m: rewriting your code, hold...
11:41:08  <rand0m>removing the mode resolved it
11:41:14  <joepie91>yeah, but it's still broken :P
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11:41:25  <Mia>when using nvm do we install stuff like pm2 with -g
11:41:27  <rand0m>atleast I get undefined as result
11:41:29  <Mia>I mean do we ever use -g
11:41:35  <joepie91>rand0m: can you paste the code including the actual application code that runs after creating the dir?
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11:41:45  <joepie91>rand0m: yes, because it's async. asynchronous methods return undefined
11:41:54  <joepie91>the actual result is provided in a callback
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11:42:07  <joepie91>(it returns before the operation has completed, that's the idea of async)
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11:42:19  <rand0m>joepie91 http://pastebin.com/XRtqdz9f
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11:43:27  <joepie91>rand0m: callbacks don't work that way. and I still don't see the code to run *after* the folder is created
11:43:32  <rand0m>updated: http://pastebin.com/3zsPBwtG
11:43:35  <rand0m>this works?!
11:43:35  <joepie91>rand0m: you can't return or throw from a callback
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11:43:46  <joepie91>no
11:43:55  <rand0m>theres not much code, just loads of inquirer codes
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11:44:01  <joepie91>rand0m: okay, can you paste that
11:44:03  <joepie91>or at least a part of it
11:44:10  <joepie91>along with the rest of the code
11:44:13  <joepie91>I need the complete picture
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11:44:26  <Mia>also do we install npm seperately when nvm is installed?
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11:45:09  <joepie91>Mia: npm should come along with Node.
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11:45:18  <joepie91>Mia: not sure about -g, presumably it should handle that correctly
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11:45:37  <Mia>joepie91, I'm just not sure how to handle things in general any more
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11:45:50  <Mia>I mean what's te default folder for global npm iinstallattions when using nvm?
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11:46:05  <Mia>because it tries to use my home/[user]/.nvm folder
11:46:07  <rand0m>joepie91 http://pastebin.com/kxNTrD8t
11:46:08  <rand0m>?
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11:46:12  <Mia>which was also the default folder before as well -
11:46:22  <Mia>this is the expected behavior for nvm's npm
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11:47:04  <joepie91>rand0m: okay, hold on.
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11:47:24  <rand0m>on line 82 I would save authe in auth.json in config folder
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11:51:21  <joepie91>rand0m: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/1d657dd4427c9b251537
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11:51:30  <joepie91>removed the redundancy, fixed the dir creation, haven't touched the rest
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11:51:51  <joepie91>rand0m: er. looks like I might've left in a stray brace
11:52:11  <joepie91>rand0m: yeah. should be fixed now
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11:52:24  <joepie91>rand0m: note how you have to run the next step from within a callback
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11:52:26  <rand0m>its all right, it looks like you're doing the check in init, my idea was to do it elsewhere and keep on waiting
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11:53:24  <joepie91>rand0m: the point is that these are async methods - they do not and *cannot* return values
11:53:29  <joepie91>rand0m: they can only call callbacks
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11:53:50  <joepie91>rand0m: and this happens *after* an async function has returned and the code below it has executed
11:53:54  <rand0m>doesn't feel well with me
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11:54:11  <joepie91>rand0m: it's really common for people to try and assign values within a callback and then use them elsewhere, but that almost always goes wrong
11:54:18  <joepie91>rand0m: yeah, it's a pain, that's why promises exist :P
11:54:22  <joepie91>!bluebird @ rand0m
11:54:22  <ecmabot>rand0m: A recommended promises module is bluebird; it is faster (in Node.js / v8 browsers) than `async`, or other promises modules, and offers many more features. ES6 promises (with a shim) can be used as a compact alternative in browsers. Start here: https://github.com/petkaantonov/bluebird#what-are-promises-and-why-should-i-use-them
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11:55:09  <rand0m>ill look into bluebird over the weekend
11:55:10  <rand0m>thanks
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11:55:52  <joepie91>rand0m: yw, good luck
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12:02:36  <Mia>okay I'm stuck. I installed nvm and installed iojs through there
12:02:43  <Mia>but I still don't have npm command
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12:03:07  <Mia>cc. ljharb
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12:03:33  <Mia>Sorry to ping you so many times since ljharb
12:03:37  <Mia>since yesterday*
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12:05:01  <rand0m>sudo apt-get install npm ?
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12:05:34  <Mia>rand0m, should I install npm seperately?
12:05:45  <Mia>earlier someone here was saying it's part of node when you install nvm
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12:05:49  <rand0m>I think so
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12:06:05  <rand0m>I had to install nodejs and npm separately
12:06:17  <Mia>rand0m, did you install node through nvm?
12:06:26  <rand0m>nope
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12:06:31  <rand0m>using aptitudfe
12:06:34  <Mia>rand0m, that's the route I'm picking now
12:06:42  <Mia>since nvm is quite different I don't want to make mistakes
12:06:49  <Mia>I'm already finding myself in complications :/
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12:07:05  <boopathi>How can I get the root directory / dir of `package.json` in require.resolve() .. say require.resolveDir('module1')
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12:07:46  <rand0m>??
12:07:50  <rand0m>current working dir ?
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12:10:51  <boopathi>not current work directory, the directory require would resolve to if require-d.
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12:12:10  <derbie>how is the www file accessed. I don't see it referenced in app.js (i used express generator)
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12:12:37  <derbie>is it some default in the express module?
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12:13:42  <Mia>ok, I uninstalled everything node, I installed nvm through the curl script in the official document, i restarted the terminal, i checked if nvm is there (and it is) and I installed iojs through there. i checked if npm is there (and it is) then I rebooted. nvm is still there, npm and node is gone :(
12:13:50  <Mia>I mean the commands are not found
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12:14:02  <Mia>ljharb, I need your help
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12:15:01  <asda>merhaba
12:15:04  <derbie>package.json nvm
12:15:08  <asda>test
12:15:15  <asda>true
12:15:26  <asda>write
12:15:31  <derbie>Mia: i thought there was an #io.js channel for questions regarding io.js
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12:15:43  <Mia>derbie, this is a nvm question
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12:16:37  <derbie>Oh ok
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12:17:10  <p15x>is nvm named after the nirvana album?
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12:17:45  <gemtastic>or maybe Node Version Manager
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12:22:00  <Mia>lol p15x
12:22:10  <Mia>gemtastic, do you use nvm
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12:22:17  <fattest>i have a function that checks whether "username" variable is in an array contained "array"; how do i disable async, ie, block the code until it is finisehd?
12:22:20  <fattest>is there a simple way
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12:22:29  <gemtastic>Actually, I'm not but I only started learning Node 1 week ago
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12:24:07  <gemtastic>fattest: you shouldn't figure out ways in how to make JavaScript Synchronous, you should figure out how to use the asynchronization to your advantage.
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12:27:18  <fattest>sorry i disconnected, can you please help me find a way to fix my async problem? http://pastebin.com/fepj3u7x
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12:27:56  <derbie>fattest you shouldn't block it. Figure out how to do it asynchronously
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12:28:09  <fattest>ok
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12:28:25  <Arvind_>Hi guys,
12:28:43  <gemtastic>*not saying hello back*
12:28:44  <Arvind_>I just want to insert data in batches using nodejs and mongodb
12:28:49  <derbie>Hi girl
12:28:58  <gemtastic>Better but not right
12:29:01  <Arvind_>Can you guys please suggest my How can I achieve this
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12:29:20  <derbie>Arvind_: i think gemtastic can help you
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12:29:31  <derbie>or could
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12:29:38  <derbie>or might not
12:29:38  <derbie>:D
12:29:43  <gemtastic>I think I ought to learn how to do that myself first :P
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12:29:49  <gemtastic>But I believe I have read about it
12:29:53  <gemtastic>It is possible
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12:31:56  <Arvind_>gemtastic : Can you please suggest me some links which help me ?
12:31:58  <derbie>fattest: i know the frustration think it through and it's all worth it.
12:32:16  <fattest>derbie im not sure whether this even possible!
12:32:22  <fattest>in my scenario anyway
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12:33:19  <gemtastic>fattest: try this? http://blog.mongodb.org/post/84922794768/mongodbs-new-bulk-api I'm not sure what links to give you :P
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12:33:38  <gemtastic>oops wrong person
12:33:44  <fattest>so close
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12:34:38  <gemtastic>I'm still learning the async javascript myself. When I look at your code I only see why you would want it to be done asynchronously since it's done for each user
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12:35:19  <gemtastic>*still amused I managed to get scripts working even though they were written synchronously*
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12:35:40  <gemtastic>Writing JavaScript like you write Java should be a bad idea...
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12:36:04  <fattest>gemtastic java was the best language! i like how everything flowed in order
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12:36:22  <gemtastic>*imagines all Javascript developers crying out in horror upon seeing it*
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12:36:51  <gemtastic>I like Java too, but Java != JavaScript and they are quite fundamentally different, which is kinda wonderful
12:37:02  <gemtastic>I like having a lot of different tools
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12:37:15  <fattest>gemtastic i have to block this code, there is no other way
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12:37:26  <gemtastic>Yes, yes there is
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12:38:01  <fattest>gemtastic can you put it in pseudocode?
12:38:01  <gemtastic>But I can't write it for you since I still write JavaScript as if it's sequential...
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12:38:18  <fattest>can you put it in pseudocode?
12:38:26  <fattest> /clear
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12:40:16  <gemtastic>function for getting all the users > write callback > let code do whatever it needs to do, callback triggers the next step
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12:40:36  <gemtastic>But don't listen to me, I'm a complete n00b when it comes to JavaScript
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12:41:46  <gemtastic>bbl
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12:50:48  <bananarama_>hello node.js
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12:54:16  <gemtastic>Back~
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13:09:20  <ne2k>I am using node-redis and calling getrange to get back certain bytes of a key that contains a bitmask. I then want to do bit operations on the return value. I think I'm running into encoding issues, as I cannot for the life of me get it to successfully print out the hex representation of the byte I'm getting back -- I'm getting the hex representation of some unicode replacement character
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13:10:06  <ne2k>the key contains a bitMAP. a redis bitmap
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13:16:46  <ne2k>I'm wondering what the javascript type of the result value is that gets passed into my callback (presumably it's a string), and how I make it deal with binary data
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13:17:19  <ne2k>I've done a protocol dump on the redis protocol and can see that it is correctly returning (in this case) 0xff
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13:55:06  <d0lph1n98>ubuntu 14.04, i get this error --> weird error 135 when trying to start ghost, npm start
13:55:14  <d0lph1n98>any suggestion to fix it?
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13:57:00  <myndzi>did you do npm install ?
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14:01:47  <d0lph1n98>i am trying to start the ghost blogging platform locally
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14:02:11  <d0lph1n98>the npm should start a localhost web server hosting the current ghost folder
14:02:25  <d0lph1n98>but it output that error code
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14:02:51  <myndzi>.... did you do npm install?
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14:04:11  <d0lph1n98>npm install ghost?
14:04:17  <myndzi>no
14:04:27  <myndzi>in the folder where you cloned/unzipped/downloaded ghost
14:04:34  <myndzi>you need to run `npm install --production`
14:04:57  <myndzi>this can bee seen in step 3 here: http://support.ghost.org/installing-ghost-linux/
14:05:13  <myndzi>also what version of node do you have? (node -v)
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14:06:54  <d0lph1n98>node, v0.10.25..npm,1.3.10
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14:07:38  <lennym>d0lph1n98: Have you followed the instructions from https://github.com/tryghost/Ghost ?
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14:09:31  <d0lph1n98>i already that, wait a minute
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14:09:41  <d0lph1n98>im trying something
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14:14:11  <d0lph1n98>i already pull latest commit from their git
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14:14:25  <d0lph1n98>start from the beginning and yet nothing solved the problem
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14:14:44  <d0lph1n98>some said to copy into another folder..but copy which folder
14:14:46  <d0lph1n98>?
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14:16:35  <myndzi>are you planning on actually answering the question or what? did you run npm install yet?
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14:18:34  <myndzi>In computing, a bus error is a fault raised by hardware, notifying an operating system (OS) that a process is trying to access memory that the CPU cannot physically address: an invalid address for the address bus, hence the name. In modern use on most architectures these are much rarer than segmentation faults, which occur primarily due to memory access violations: problems in the logical address or permissions.
14:18:57  <myndzi>exit code 135 = sigbus; something compiled is obviously broken
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14:20:29  <myndzi>dunno why that would be a thing in ghost, though, but since the site says it must use node 0.10 i guess they have some native extensions?
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14:20:41  <myndzi>makes me wonder why bother with node
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14:20:56  <myndzi>it will likely help to determine WHICH program is exiting with code 135
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14:21:57  <d0lph1n98>yes it is not a bug in ghost
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14:22:50  <myndzi>i suppose it's hard to verify that if you have no idea what's going on
14:22:52  <d0lph1n98>perhaps the standard Debian/Ubuntu packages is broken
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14:23:07  <d0lph1n98>why do you say so?
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14:23:35  <myndzi>why do you say it's not a bug, when you don't know what's wrong?
14:23:36  <d0lph1n98>are you saying i don't know shit what is happening now? and trying to outsmart you
14:23:44  <myndzi>...
14:23:56  <myndzi>no, i'm trying to help you solve the problem, but it's very hard to do that when you won't respond with any information
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14:24:25  <myndzi>one important part about solving a problem is not making assumptions
14:24:36  <d0lph1n98>i said, the problem is not from that ghost. Perhaps, from my npm setup in my machine environment
14:24:53  <myndzi>you get error 135 when executing 'npm start', correct?
14:25:00  <d0lph1n98>i don't make assumptions without further research and reading
14:25:21  <d0lph1n98>yes, as you said error 135 is sigbus error
14:25:30  <myndzi>'npm start' runs ghost directly
14:25:39  <myndzi>so ghost, or some part or dependency of it, is crashing node
14:25:40  <d0lph1n98>locally
14:25:52  <myndzi>i would certainly consider that a possible bug
14:25:57  <myndzi>until the cause is determined
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14:26:53  <myndzi>one comment on one search result for a generic error that had no actual resolution does not rule it out
14:27:06  <d0lph1n98>i read from the issue in ghost github repo, the developer claimed that is not ghost problem
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14:27:22  <myndzi>yes, i saw the same issue. the problem was also not actually discovered in that issue.
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14:27:38  <d0lph1n98>https://ghost.org/forum/installation/1129-npm-err-weird-error-137/
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14:28:05  <myndzi>wrong error :)
14:28:27  <d0lph1n98>i should create a proper solution explaination about this problem once solved
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14:28:44  <myndzi>it's neither here nor there really, can you at least verify that dependencies are installed? (npm install has been run, in the ghost folder)
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14:29:13  <d0lph1n98>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24458797/npm-weird-error-135-on-using-npm-start
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14:29:55  <myndzi>believe it or not, i can use google too; when you find a link that actually points to a specific cause of this error that was determined and resolved, you should not make any assumptions
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14:30:39  <myndzi>in fact, that very SO post is why i'm trying to get you to verify a correct installation
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14:31:14  <myndzi>but i'm about to give up, because i can't help an unresponsive, argumentative user
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14:31:43  <d0lph1n98>okay then, it's up to you
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14:32:19  <myndzi>much the reverse really.
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14:33:19  <d0lph1n98>okay now, things never seem to working out to you and the main problem is me
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14:34:36  <myndzi>good luck with that, genuinely, but i'm done here
14:34:47  <d0lph1n98>bla bla bla and then everyone is pointing at me for me such a jerk
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14:35:00  <d0lph1n98>well done
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14:35:57  <d0lph1n98>i already responsed to you, saying that i already did all that..even npm install and you keep asking me to verify it
14:36:08  <d0lph1n98>how many times do i have to convince you that i already did that
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14:37:45  <Aria>This is where I make sure I'm running a current node (and not one built by a distro who's hacked it up into more shared libraries than normal) and try it; then if that doesn't work, wipe node_modules, then npm install, and see if it works. If not, then it's time to get out gdb.
14:37:52  <Aria>Or whatever debugger.
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14:38:18  <Aria>But seeing that you're running an ancient version of node, and an even more ancient npm? Fix that.
14:38:31  <Aria>There have been 14 bug-fix releases to 0.10, plus the 0.12 series is out.
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14:38:51  <Aria>And npm 1.x is known buggy, too.
14:39:07  <Aria>So your 'bus error' is very, very likely a long-fixed bug.
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14:39:24  <Aria>Good luck, d0lph1n98.
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14:40:29  <d0lph1n98>there you go, thanks a lot Aria
14:41:05  <Aria>You are welcome.
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14:41:17  <Aria>You may have the easiest luck using the nodesource repos for ubuntu
14:41:21  <Aria>That'll get you at least current 0.10
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14:41:35  <Aria>And not in broken form like ubuntu ships, separating npm and node like that.
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14:42:28  <d0lph1n98>the one that is included in ubuntu's repo is broken?
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14:43:10  <d0lph1n98>aaahah, no wonder why
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14:43:21  <hung>hello
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14:45:57  <iChatter>hi
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14:46:01  <iChatter>Aria: \o
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14:46:09  <Aria>o/
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14:46:30  <iChatter>So I want to create two tables in a knex migration and then after both have been created, a third one (which needs the two to be successfully created).
14:46:35  <Aria>d0lph1n98: Yeah. Ubuntu has always shipped old versions of runtimes. Sufiicient for things that they also package, but not generally useful.
14:46:36  <iChatter>To achieve this I use Promises (bluebird)
14:46:43  <iChatter>The issue is that the third table is never created.
14:46:45  <iChatter>http://pastebin.com/SF0KgGA8
14:46:51  <iChatter>What is wrong? Is join(...) the right way?
14:46:51  <myndzi>(note that knex transactions are promise-y by default)
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14:47:03  <myndzi>the right way would be to write three migration files i think
14:47:07  <iChatter>myndzi: oh, someone told me the opposite some days ago :-O
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14:47:21  <iChatter>myndzi: ok, so three migration files, one for each table and order them using the file name
14:47:23  <iChatter>alrighty
14:47:25  <myndzi>no, i believe i told you they were promise-like and someone else confused you with the specifics :P
14:47:25  <iChatter>sounds easier, yes
14:47:29  <iChatter>hehe
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14:47:36  <myndzi>just be sure to return the knex.schema.createTable
14:47:38  <iChatter>myndzi: so having separate, ordered files is best then?
14:47:42  <myndzi>(essentially, return the promise)
14:47:49  <myndzi>i find it to be so
14:47:54  <iChatter>ok, thanks
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14:47:58  <myndzi>migrations should be small discrete changes
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14:48:02  <d0lph1n98>i knew it, the problem must be from that binary. No wonder why. Ubuntu's repo always outdated.
14:48:05  <iChatter>}), knex.schema.createTableIfNotExists('product', function(table) {
14:48:10  <iChatter>is the return missing here?
14:48:12  <myndzi>knex will order them by default by timestamping things
14:48:18  <d0lph1n98>thanks again Aria
14:48:19  <myndzi>well, you're returning Promise.join
14:48:25  <Aria>Sure thing.
14:48:46  <myndzi>but when you make them separate files, i'm just reminding you to be sure and return the "promise"
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14:48:53  <iChatter>alright
14:48:55  <myndzi>since that's what knex will use to determine when it's done and prevent the next ones from running
14:49:01  <myndzi>(until completion)
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14:49:16  <myndzi>also, for migrations, you probably don't want or need to be using 'createTableIfNotExists'
14:49:27  <myndzi>you should be able to build your schema from a known state at all points
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14:49:53  <myndzi>and since it's a "setup" task, not a runtime task, you don't really need to worry about parallelization and such
14:49:53  <iChatter>myndzi: but now the kicker: What is with the down(...) routines? I would have to ensure the proper order of destroying tables, too.
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14:50:12  <myndzi>that is done naturally by making discrete migration files
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14:50:32  <myndzi>i have a test that migrates from 0 to current, back to 0, back to current, to test my up/down migrations, on a clean database
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14:50:54  <iChatter>myndzi: ok, so for table 'category' I would make a separate migrations file and in that file I would create that table in up() and destroy the table in down(), right?
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14:51:04  <myndzi>i recommend doing it on the same database as you're actually using, not using sqlite for convenience
14:51:08  <iChatter>yes
14:51:10  <iChatter>I use the same
14:51:12  <myndzi>iChatter: exactly so
14:51:12  <iChatter>I use a docker container
14:51:14  <iChatter>thanks
14:51:19  <iChatter>this is easier than using promises stuff
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14:51:25  <iChatter>What about createTableIfNotExists vs just createTable?
14:51:30  <myndzi>just createTable
14:51:33  <iChatter>ah
14:51:35  <myndzi>if you're starting from scratch
14:51:36  <iChatter>when it fails something is wrong anyway then
14:51:38  <myndzi>you WANT it to fail
14:51:40  <myndzi>yes
14:52:09  <myndzi>the up/down/up dance is because if you fail to remove something in 'down', it will cause an error in the next 'up'
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14:52:23  <myndzi>it won't catch all problems you might have, but it will catch many schema problems
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14:52:38  <myndzi>if a migration involves converting some data, it would take more work to verify that the data was converted back and forth correctly
14:52:58  <myndzi>it's important to ensure your 'down' migrations work though, because if they don't, you're SOL if you hit a problem and have to roll back
14:53:05  <myndzi>which sort of eliminates half the utility of using this system
14:53:09  <iChatter>thank you! this makes things easier for me
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14:55:30  <myndzi>for clarity, you can indeed use Bluebird's stuff to parallelize knex queries and otherwise manage them, but knex actually returns (mostly) bluebird promises, so there's no need to wrap
14:56:30  <myndzi>the flow you wrote wouldn't work as intended because you didn't wrap your stuff in functions though
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14:56:44  <myndzi>(all three queries would run synchronously)
14:56:47  <myndzi>you would need to do
14:56:52  <myndzi>.then(function () { return knex.schema.... })
14:56:56  <myndzi>for it to work as intended
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15:09:43  <bucaran>you can write your build tasks in es6/es7/coffee/etc with Fly now. Flyfiles can be written in ES6 out of the box, promises, generators and co-routines
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15:10:19  <bucaran>https://git.io/fly
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15:13:39  <iChatter>fly like gulp but with more native es features?
15:13:44  <iChatter>oh god, another build system :/
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15:21:06  <bucaran>iChatter: not like gulp *at all*
15:21:10  <bucaran>:P
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15:21:42  <bucaran>it's written in es6 and the implementation is based in tj/co coroutines, es6 generators and a promise-sequences.
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15:24:18  <iChatter>what is with streams then?
15:24:19  <iChatter>and vinyl?
15:24:22  <iChatter>file in memory stuff?
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15:32:39  <bucaran>Fly uses no virtual abstractions or any of that
15:33:09  <bucaran>I find making gulp plugins insanely hard
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15:33:43  <bucaran>most fly plugins are written in 5 loc
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15:34:22  <bucaran>well, maybe not insanely hard :D, but they are difficult to read, there is a lot of state, mutation, and hacks
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15:35:09  <bucaran>the point with fly is to avoid that, if that can't be avoided then fly would make no sense really
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16:16:17  <xissburg>in one of my files I have this `var Error = require("cloud/error.js");` and that is fine for my code to run. However, to run my tests using Mocha I am required to write `var Error = require("../cloud/error.js");`.. can I specify the base directory where mocha should load other files from via `require`?
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16:44:52  <cole_phelps>hi people, hi ljharb and god bless linus torvalds
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16:57:19  <bucaran>fly@0.1.0 was released, now it supports your tasks written in es6/7 earl, coffee, up to you
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16:58:00  <bucaran>this is how a task can look like => https://github.com/flyjs/fly#flyfile
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17:06:58  <anhnhoktvn>hello
17:07:24  <anhnhoktvn>are there any problems in this promise? --> http://pastebin.com/xXqKLRxK
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17:08:02  <anhnhoktvn>it doesn't run
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17:10:51  <mxbtty>anhnhoktvn: there's a lot hidden in those exec calls. would be nice to see what's inside. that's most likely the culprit
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17:11:40  <anhnhoktvn>that's all. I'd like to clean the mongodb database
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17:11:49  <anhnhoktvn>in the promise way :D
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17:13:18  <mxbtty>is exec a promise?
17:13:39  <ljharb>cole_phelps: not sure why, he's a huge asshole
17:15:18  <anhnhoktvn>yes, exec return a promise
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17:15:39  <anhnhoktvn>it's from mongoose lib
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17:17:04  <Sorella>anhnhoktvn: you're not handling errors.
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17:17:59  <anhnhoktvn>i think the last parameter is for handling errors. ( , done)
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17:18:34  <anhnhoktvn>it works with this: User.remove({}).exec().then(function() {
17:18:34  <anhnhoktvn> done();
17:18:34  <anhnhoktvn> }, done);
17:19:05  <Sorella>anhnhoktvn: hm, right. Depending on how `done` works. It might be that one of those .exec() things never finishes though
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17:19:25  <Sorella>anhnhoktvn: but what exactly do you mean by "doesn't run"?
17:19:27  <ljharb>anhnhoktvn: please don't paste code into irc
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17:19:46  <anhnhoktvn>ljharb: okay
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17:19:58  <ljharb>anhnhoktvn: your problem is that `new Promise()` is incorrect
17:20:04  <ljharb>that creates a promise that never resolves.
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17:20:16  <ljharb>also `Promise.all` is a static method, not an instance method of promises.
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17:20:39  <ljharb>i'm not sure what promise implementation you're using, that should have thrown at least 2 synchronous exceptions
17:20:53  <ljharb>well, not sync, but in the before.
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17:21:42  <ljharb>anhnhoktvn: `Promise.all([…]).then(done).catch(done)` is what you want.
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17:22:21  <anhnhoktvn>thanks alot
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17:22:27  <anhnhoktvn>i'm using mpromise
17:22:34  <anhnhoktvn>a promise lib for mongoose
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17:24:21  <anhnhoktvn>ljharb: however, from the test of the mpromise. i got this --> http://pastebin.com/vX9ek2HN <-- and it passed the test
17:25:00  <anhnhoktvn>link : https://github.com/aheckmann/mpromise/blob/master/test/promise.test.js
17:25:10  <ljharb>yeah that's gnarly.
17:25:20  <ljharb>i wouldn't use mpromise as the global `Promise`.
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17:25:36  <ljharb>by spec, `new Promise()` should throw, and `new Promise(function () {})` should never resolve.
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17:28:56  <anhnhoktvn>well, it's really weird. I'm trying to use this mPromise just because it's available inside the mongoose
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17:31:41  <xchat>hi people
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17:32:08  <xchat>what is best pratice about connecting pgadmin to the server group ?
17:32:15  <xchat>using root or new user ?
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17:32:56  <xchat>by default on xubuntu, my pgadmin doesn't have any server group configured
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17:34:35  <x0rs>I'm having the hardest time figuring out how to write a simple webserver in node.js.
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17:35:17  <xchat>ho sorry i'm not on the right channel - sorry for disturbing :)
17:35:18  <Chunk2>x0rs: in what way?
17:35:31  <thaniel>are you trying to do it from scratch
17:35:42  <sergiocrisostomo>x0rs: make a example for us to see at https://c9.io/
17:35:48  <sergiocrisostomo>so we can comment/help
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17:37:05  <x0rs>I'm sorry guys, I was actually kidding. It seems like the only tutorials that are available for node.js are how to write a webserver. It's getting ridiculous how many people are publishing tutorials about how to make a webserver in node.js as if it was unique content.
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17:38:33  <thaniel>I just read one about how to make an irc bot
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17:40:01  <Chunk2>x0rs: that's what most people want to do in node.js, and everyone thinks they have a unique take
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17:40:35  <Chunk2>to be fair though, a lot of them are just instructing you how to set one up in a particular framework
17:40:44  <Chunk2>come to think of it
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17:41:29  <x0rs>thx, Chuck2
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17:49:26  <Chunk2>So do you all see a lot of people writing bad code in node.js?
17:49:55  <Chunk2>Like is there anything about node that prevents that?
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17:52:30  <Chunk2>I'm greatly enjoying programming in node.js because of its free-form nature, but I worry that it's going to eventually turn into a this web generation's PHP
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17:58:28  <MonkehJS>Uhm, hi.
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18:00:07  <MonkehJS>Is this room dead? :/
18:00:15  <MonkehJS>Can I ask a question?
18:00:34  <MonkehJS>I don't mean to sound like a noob.
18:00:39  <MonkehJS>https://gist.github.com/ishan-marikar/5ae1d874bf71117f9e02
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18:00:47  <MonkehJS>Is there anything wrong with that?
18:00:56  <MonkehJS>It doesn't seem to return anything.
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18:01:41  <MonkehJS>*sigh*
18:01:47  <MonkehJS>oh well.
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18:05:00  <Exadyne>It's not dead, it's just on life-support!
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18:06:27  <MonkehJS>Exadyne: Could you help me? :/
18:06:36  <MonkehJS>I'm sorry if I sound like noob.
18:06:44  <MonkehJS>https://gist.github.com/ishan-marikar/5ae1d874bf71117f9e02
18:06:54  <MonkehJS>It doesn't seem to want to return anything.
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18:07:29  <Exadyne>MonkehJS: Yeah, so what's happening is that you have asynchronous code.
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18:08:01  <MonkehJS>Exadyne: I was aware of that.
18:08:13  <Exadyne>MonkehJS: The anonymous function that pass in to request(), the one after url, is a callback that gets fired when the request is completed
18:08:24  <Exadyne>MonkehJS: but your geoIP function wants to return immediately
18:08:28  <MonkehJS>.. is there any way I can get it to return the data?
18:08:36  <Exadyne>MonkehJS: so you have a race condition where result is being returned before the callback function fires
18:08:44  <MonkehJS>Oh :c
18:09:08  <MonkehJS>Also sorry, chat client isn't scrolling on new messages.
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18:09:21  <Exadyne>MonkehJS: Don't worry about it.
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18:09:50  <MonkehJS>Exadyne: what if I return within the anonymous function?
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18:11:21  <deltab>MonkehJS: there's nowhere for it to return to, because that's called by the browser
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18:11:49  <deltab>or whatever environment it's running in
18:11:52  <MonkehJS>MonkehJS: This is a node.js app
18:11:59  <deltab>which I guess would be node :-)
18:12:07  <MonkehJS>deltab: This is a node.js app
18:12:22  <Exadyne>MonkehJS: No amount of returning is going to help. What you should do is, within the anonymous function, pass result into another function that does whatever you need to do with the result.
18:12:39  <MonkehJS>This IRC client is a pain in the rectum >.>
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18:17:39  <deltab>MonkehJS: if you have half an hour, watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aGhZQkoFbQ
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18:17:52  <MonkehParade>.. back.
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18:19:35  <deltab>he's describing what happens in a browser but the same concepts apply in node
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18:27:01  <plentybinary>Does anybody here have one of those click free auto backup hdd's??
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18:27:47  <deltab>plentybinary: that's done by software on your computer, not the drive
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18:28:25  <deltab>(not by the drive; the drive might include the installer for the backup program though)
18:28:45  <plentybinary>deltab: No theres a specific company that makes a device called click free backup hdd http://www.clickfree.com/
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18:28:53  <plentybinary>I need the factory image
18:28:59  <plentybinary>i def fucked up
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18:30:00  <Exadyne>I don't see how that's applicable to a Node.JS channel
18:30:11  <Exadyne>Or are you just desperate and trying everywhere you can?
18:30:19  <plentybinary>Exadyne: Its not i am sorry just desparate
18:30:20  <asteele>plentybinary which is a combined drive + software solution
18:31:05  <deltab>tried http://www.clickfree.com/product_attribute_selector/show/id/Software/lang/1 ? http://www.clickfree.com/page/support-main ?
18:31:09  <asteele>much rather use an ssd from amazon and time machine
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18:33:48  <Exadyne>I just keep my drives in a RAID 1 array
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18:35:54  <asteele>;)
18:36:08  <asteele>and no backups? :P
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18:36:43  <plentybinary>asteele: Yea....i backed up the folders but not the mbr or partitions, i really should have just grabbed an image
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18:37:17  <plentybinary>deltab: I checked the links but they are just giving files i need the mbr, ideally an image of a working drive
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18:38:53  <plentybinary>asteele: I wish i could just use time machine or keep it how it is in a clean state but i don't think the client would be to happy
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18:39:19  <alasi>umm i feel really stupid right now
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18:39:43  <alasi>one of the dependencies i has is 93 mb but there's a /dist/ with the actual code and it's 100kb
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18:39:53  <alasi>how do i make sure my build is 100kb not 93mb
18:40:21  <asteele>whats the point in backing up the entire website with a client website? You back up the databases, and any potentially stored documents - the code is backed up in repos, backing up a website and your pc are very different
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18:40:40  <asteele>alasi you serve/use the files in dist ?
18:41:18  <alasi>asteele: no like i'm already require()ing it all, does npm give a way to build and only use the dist things? so bloated o_O
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18:43:53  <alasi>Like some of the dependencies have their entire docs inside of their folders
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18:44:00  <alasi>this can't be what people use in production can it?
18:44:10  <deltab>alasi: there's probably a build script that makes the dist version
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18:45:20  <alasi>deltab: you might be right, so is there a unified command i can just run and it'll do all dist if the package has one?
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19:00:42  <peey>What do devs like to refer to their node projects as? package sounds like it belongs on npm, app sounds too front-endy
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19:01:17  <Bone9375>module?
19:01:38  <peey>module sounds like it should be part of a whole
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19:04:35  <peey>I guess app is most suitable "whole" from the names I listed, express uses app
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19:11:11  <s3shs>Howdy node folk. I'd like to copy the last 5 bytes of buffer1 to the first 5 bytes of buffer2. It's not working. Here's the code. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. http://pastebin.com/eF1RwrjZ Any ideas?
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19:18:30  <peey>s3shs: https://nodejs.org/api/buffer.html#buffer_buf_copy_targetbuffer_targetstart_sourcestart_sourceend looks like the last argument to .copy should be 10
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19:19:47  <s3shs>You know how you stare at something and the obvious thing slips right past? ;-) Thank you.
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19:20:37  <s3shs>peey, do you know if that copy is native or done in JS?
19:20:46  <s3shs>In v8?
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19:22:15  <peey>s3shs: nope
19:22:23  <s3shs>Thx. :-)
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19:27:19  <NullEntity_>how can I selectively preload folders with node-inspector? I want to ignore everything in node_modules except for "keystone".
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20:23:18  <Kamuela>if you're trying to write a front-end web app to utilize a JSON api app to shuttle data, how do you deliver your front-end app?
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20:27:08  <RLa>Kamuela, usually as initial html page+javascript bundle
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20:28:07  <Kamuela>RLa, I was thinking that, but my thoughts could not really take me beyond the complexity of delivering different routes
20:29:02  <RLa>you use a client-side router, like crossroads.js
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20:29:38  <RLa>and load/render parts of ui when user visits other routes of the app
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20:29:52  <RLa>hash router is simples, then you can use normal links
20:30:08  <RLa>like <a href="#some/route">A link</a>
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20:38:05  <therealklanni>If I want to publish my npm module under a new name, how would that work? Is there an easy way to make the old name point/forward to the new name?
20:38:20  <therealklanni>Or would I need to publish under both names for a while to transition?
20:38:30  <therealklanni>Or can the new name just alias the old name?
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20:44:50  <ivan>what's the module that has a terrible hack for tricking V8 into using compact object representations?
20:44:54  <ivan>it's about 10 lines
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20:50:56  <Guest92>ivan: This stackoverflow post has a bunch of info about the hack: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/24987896/how-does-bluebirds-util-tofastproperties-function-make-an-objects-properties
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20:51:11  <ivan>Guest92: ah yes thank you
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20:53:03  <iojs_stein>Hi! It's my first time here.
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21:25:30  <rand0m>hello peeps
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21:28:32  <rand0m>joepie91 you here mate?
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21:31:22  <rand0m>can anyone tell me what would be an issue if Im getting a ENOENT on mkdir on ubuntu ?
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21:33:20  <ningu>rand0m: maybe you are making a directory inside a directory that doesn't exist
21:33:32  <ningu>rand0m: there is mkdirp if you want to make a hierarchy
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21:33:54  <rand0m>hey ningu
21:33:55  <rand0m>I've heard about mkdirp haven't used it
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21:34:09  <ningu>it's a simple module
21:34:10  <rand0m>I am trying to create a folder under ~/.config dir
21:34:17  <ningu>ok, but does ~/.config exist?
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21:34:24  <ningu>you can't use ~ in the path
21:34:26  <rand0m>obviously it does in ubuntu
21:34:28  <ningu>that is a shell thing
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21:34:31  <rand0m>oic
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21:38:56  <rand0m>ningu
21:39:00  <rand0m>tell me this is shitty: http://pastebin.com/ujfuUGDj
21:39:07  <rand0m>i feel that its messy
21:39:35  <rand0m>but it works
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21:40:46  <rand0m>is there a cleaner way to do that?
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21:43:31  <ningu>you should use path.join()
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21:43:55  <rand0m>ah right, havent used path as well
21:43:57  <rand0m>will do
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21:44:14  <ningu>also, config_root is never used
21:44:37  <deltab>there are xdg libs in npm
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21:46:06  <rand0m>wow deltab, the xdg solution is much better!
21:46:14  <rand0m>https://github.com/mwilliamson/node-xdg
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21:47:45  <rand0m>but wait! is this windows friendly?
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21:54:58  <deltab>mayb appdirectory then
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