00:03:07  <Dev0n>then increasing complexity but this is defo good know how for future
00:03:14  <Dev0n>but your example is perfect for me for the time being :D
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00:03:16  <Dev0n>baby steps :D
00:03:33  <Dev0n>thanks
00:03:36  <pomke>no worries :)
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00:23:14  <uipoet>Was 0.11.13 on May 2nd the last "unstable" release on the road to 0.12?
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00:25:10  <uipoet>If so, what has blocked it from progressing since?
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00:31:14  <Guest76819>im looking for an app that allow me to monitor the performance of my nodejs app
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00:31:20  <Guest76819>any suggestion?
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00:35:31  <uipoet>In production? New Relic is a great general service. Also check out Concurix.
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00:36:07  <uipoet>Concurix is more advanced, but may be overkill for what you're after.
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00:55:02  <antons>I need somebody who knows node for 1 hour
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00:55:33  <CaffeineAddict>1 hour?
00:55:39  <antons>or less )
00:55:43  <CaffeineAddict>sup
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00:56:20  <antons>CaffeineAddict, i got this video conference site going )) but not really strong on node portion - need somebody to evaluate code
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00:57:13  <CaffeineAddict>evaluate it how exactly?
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00:57:49  <smudkavi>Hi all, I have a question regarding the mysql node package. Could anyone tell me what the stuff after password does (as in all of the parameters)? https://gist.github.com/Sankarshan-Mudkavi/ff417629f5d43233859b
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00:59:36  <boutell>smudkavi: never seen that extra crap, I’m sure you can make a connection without it
01:00:03  <GreenJello>database is probably required though
01:00:20  <smudkavi>boutell: Yes we can, however this is code in production that I have to deal with, and I don't understand what this stuff does
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01:00:24  <GreenJello>(or maybe it has a default)
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01:00:42  <boutell>smudkavi: I see. Is it documented in the mysql npm module’s docs?
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01:01:14  <smudkavi>boutell: Nope, I couldn't find any such thing which is why I'm here
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01:04:12  <CaffeineAddict>@smudkavi it might be specific to the code you are using rather than the mysql code itself. I know that in express people tack extra information on to req and res objects all the time for passing information to different parts of the code
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01:05:01  <boutell>smudkavi: the mysql docs cover many options for createPool, but not any of this underscore-separated jazz you have here. All the official options seem to be intercap. I would not be surprised if someone was just counting on this to attach these extra properties to a con.options object or something, for convenience later, taking advantage of how the implementation works to carry options to their own code. I would also not be surprised if it’s just cargo
01:05:01  <boutell>nonsense that does nothing.
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01:05:47  <smudkavi>boutell: Oh, I see, that does make sense thank you very much.
01:06:11  <boutell>sure enough it all winds up in pool.config (determined by peeking at source)
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01:06:14  <boutell>sure, good luck
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01:08:17  <CaffeineAddict>Is anyone here familiar with node's crypto lib, specificly the DiffieHellman class? I am attempting to save a private key and the load it for use later, but am not having much luck
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01:10:33  <GreenJello>CaffeineAddict, show some code, explain the problem, etc. :-)
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01:13:21  <CaffeineAddict>@GreenJello http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25883082/node-crypto-diffiehellman-setprivatekey
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01:20:06  <KingDragon>hey, looking for felixge or anyone else who uses the mysql connector
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01:30:40  <tylerbre>hi, I'm having issues connect to an aws elastic cache redis node via connect-redis
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01:31:04  <tylerbre>I keep getting Redis connection to localhost:6379 failed - connect ECONNREFUSED
01:31:18  <tylerbre>even though I'm NOT specifying localhost as the host
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01:31:37  <tylerbre>but the elastic cache DNS name
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01:31:52  <tylerbre>has anyone had success using connect-redis with a remote host?
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01:34:13  <KingDragon>tylerbre: I'm not familiar with it personally, but it seems pretty certain that it's still trying to connect to localhost and not a specified connection server.
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01:34:47  <Dev0n>wow
01:34:48  <KingDragon>I'd check your host directive.
01:34:52  <Dev0n>what kind of data type is this: [ 'aGx1MwWZNiXU1-BDAAAA': true ]
01:34:54  <KingDragon>in the config for it
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01:35:08  <KingDragon>Dev0n: socketio?
01:35:09  <Dev0n>the socket.io object has that type
01:35:10  <Dev0n>yea
01:35:21  <KingDragon>yeah, thats a unique socket session identifier
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01:35:22  <Dev0n>not even valid js :/
01:35:25  <Dev0n>ahh
01:35:29  <topwobble>Is there a node.js offtopic channel?
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01:35:45  <Dev0n>KingDragon, so puzzled
01:35:47  <Dev0n>how is that even possible
01:35:55  <Dev0n>how can you get the length from something like: [ 'aGx1MwWZNiXU1-BDAAAA': true, WJzyAtVR_SLHlidSAAAB: true ]
01:35:57  <KingDragon>Dev0n: how and why it's in that format, I have no idea ... but I'd recognize that socket session identifier anywhere.
01:36:06  <Dev0n>heh
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01:36:18  <KingDragon>um, well, what's that stored in?
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01:36:52  <KingDragon>best bet is to store it in an object like array = [what you just printed] and then do array.length
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01:37:06  <KingDragon>it will give you the number of 'asdlkanweafsd' objects
01:37:13  <tylerbre>KingDragon: yes it does..
01:37:14  <Dev0n>KingDragon, yea you're right
01:37:19  <tylerbre>it's really frustrating
01:37:19  <Dev0n>Object.keys(...).length
01:37:21  <Dev0n>fixed it
01:37:24  <KingDragon>^_^
01:37:28  <tylerbre>going to try a version back, see if it still persists
01:37:37  <tylerbre>then going to hit the github issues section...
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01:37:58  <Dev0n>I'm intrigued :D
01:38:13  <KingDragon>Dev0n: it's just a string name if that's what you mean.
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01:38:29  <KingDragon>Dev0n: where are you pulling that data from?
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01:38:44  <Dev0n>console.log(io.nsps....)
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01:39:03  <Dev0n>ahh, console loging may have shown it differently
01:39:49  <KingDragon>only thing I can figure as to why each one is labelled as 'true' is boolean for connected or not connected.
01:40:18  <KingDragon>are you using .17 or the 1.0 branch?
01:40:45  <Dev0n>1.0
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01:41:18  <KingDragon>I had some issues getting all the functionality and behaviors I wanted to work in 1.0
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01:41:25  <KingDragon>I'm waiting for it to be more stable.
01:41:45  <KingDragon>That might not affect you.
01:41:48  <Dev0n>damn so many rewrites in that version
01:41:53  <Dev0n>it doesn't since I'm starting out new
01:41:54  <KingDragon>lol, YES.
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01:42:02  <Dev0n>but all the SO questions ref to old branch :(
01:42:05  <Dev0n>most*
01:42:06  <KingDragon>Dev0n: are you planning on using SSL?
01:42:10  <Dev0n>yea
01:42:13  <KingDragon>use .17
01:42:16  <Dev0n>oh
01:42:20  <Dev0n>1.0 buggy for SSL?
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01:42:39  <KingDragon>I can't even get a damn conection using unsigned certs for testing
01:42:50  <KingDragon>granted I'm busy doing other things, and if you get it to work, awesome! let me know.
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01:43:12  <KingDragon>But I spent a while on it when it was on 1.0.4 or something, no idea what it's on now.
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01:43:52  <Dev0n>ahh, I'll see how I get on when I venture into SSL and let you know
01:44:09  <Dev0n>you mean self-signed certs?
01:44:13  <Dev0n>then can be a pain sometimes
01:44:18  <Dev0n>they*
01:44:22  <KingDragon>self, yes
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01:47:42  <mdev>npm WARN package.json socket.io-redis@0.1.3 No repository field.
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01:47:47  <mdev>what does that mean
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01:49:23  <b1lly>that means, POOP
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01:50:11  <tinklebear>Anyone know why I'm getting "handler is not defined" with this: http://pastebin.com/eJdRqQjC
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01:50:59  <CaffeineAddict>because handler is not defined
01:51:30  <CaffeineAddict>in line 1 you use it as an argument
01:51:32  <CaffeineAddict>but you dont define it anywhere
01:51:45  <tinklebear>function handler
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01:52:16  <CaffeineAddict>try splitting the command
01:52:20  <CaffeineAddict>saving lines is killing you
01:52:35  <CaffeineAddict>do `var app = require('http')
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01:52:40  <CaffeineAddict>then do your function
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01:53:02  <CaffeineAddict>then below the function do `app.createServer(handler)`
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01:53:14  <mdev>b1lly that's not helpful
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01:53:25  <mdev>if you can't provide a helpful response, feel free to not respond at all
01:53:26  <tinklebear>I'm just trying to learn. I copied this directly from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN6gFQMr3yU
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01:53:35  <mdev>I don't come in here to hear your non-sense, just saying
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01:54:03  <tinklebear>Still not sure what the problem is. Shouldn't that function be hoisted?
01:54:06  <KingDragon>mdev: it's the package itself not having enough details in it
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01:54:27  <KingDragon>mdev: probably official repo directive
01:54:35  <mdev>thanks KingDragon
01:54:38  <KingDragon>np
01:55:00  <tinklebear>Maybe node parses differently or something?
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01:55:45  <KingDragon>tinklebear: nope, JS is JS
01:55:54  <tinklebear>welp...this should work
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01:57:10  <tinklebear>Thanks Caffeine. I'm going to give it a shot. NOt sure why it works for that guy
01:57:15  <tinklebear>Maybe he has the magic node
01:57:15  <tinklebear>lol
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01:57:37  <CaffeineAddict>Yah, not sure ... im actualy testing the code right now myself
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01:59:06  <taternuts>in the snippet you posted, you have `_dirname`, it needs two underscores `__dirname`
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01:59:32  <tinklebear>shit
01:59:34  <tinklebear>shoot
01:59:37  <tinklebear>bet that's it
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01:59:49  <taternuts>might be
02:00:01  <KingDragon>^ always the little things
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02:00:48  <tinklebear>dang
02:00:54  <tinklebear>nope
02:01:10  <KingDragon>let me take a look
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02:01:59  <KingDragon>What error gets thrown?
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02:02:01  <CaffeineAddict>I actualy loaded up the script as is
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02:02:06  <CaffeineAddict>cept for the __ instead of _
02:02:15  <CaffeineAddict>its not throwing errors
02:02:25  <tinklebear>it throws the error when i do a node
02:02:31  <tinklebear>then .load ./server.js
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02:02:44  <tinklebear>maybe that's different?
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02:03:06  <KingDragon>yeah, I don't see where you're declaring _dirname
02:03:24  <tinklebear> took that out
02:03:28  <tinklebear>still have the same issue
02:03:37  <taternuts>http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/globals.html#globals_dirname
02:03:40  <CaffeineAddict>thought __dirname was a global for current path of the script
02:03:49  <tinklebear>that's what i thought looking at it
02:03:53  <tinklebear>but i took it out anyhow
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02:04:00  <KingDragon>CaffeineAddict: no idea actually
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02:04:12  <KingDragon>could always do a console.log()
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02:05:04  <KingDragon>tinklebear: what error
02:05:14  <taternuts>tinklebear: have you tried debugging it via node-inspector or have you not heard of that yet
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02:06:38  <taternuts>tinklebear: https://c9.io/ is probably a good place for you to learn in, it's got first class node support and debugging
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02:06:47  <tinklebear>thanks
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02:06:49  <KingDragon>tinklebear: I'd also try commenting out 8-11 and just do a res.end("hello"); to see if it's a problem in the file or somewhere else
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02:07:18  <KingDragon>it's hard to debug without seeing the actual error message
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02:07:50  <tinklebear>I tried caffeines suggestion and it worked except now i get app.listen(4000);
02:07:50  <tinklebear>TypeError: Object #<Object> has no method 'listen'
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02:08:00  <taternuts>well you can set breakpoints and step through until it dies, and look at the stack values it had before
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02:08:45  <KingDragon>I don't like using the , and I put items on each line. so in your case line 1 and 2 end with ; instead
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02:08:55  <taternuts>that might entail putting a breakpoint on every damned line because of the callbacks, but it works :X
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02:09:17  <KingDragon>maybe someone else can speak to it better, but perhaps it's order of execution
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02:14:10  <KingDragon>tinklebear: it worked perfectly for me when I replaced the , on line 1&2 with ; instead
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02:14:28  <uptownhr>anyone have experience with mongoose?
02:14:38  <KingDragon>uptownhr: yes
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02:15:00  <uptownhr>KingDragon: when you add a new field to an orm, ie: testarr: []
02:15:13  <uptownhr>KingDragon: can you push to it ?
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02:15:46  <uptownhr>KingDragon: since the field doesn't exist for pre-existing documents, i'm getting an undefined (push) method error
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02:16:18  <KingDragon>uptownhr: I'm trying to think back, it's been a while since I did nested arrays, I think I ran into a problem trying to replace existing objects in it, like it wants to replace the whole array...
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02:17:03  <tinklebear>man this is just crazy
02:17:11  <uptownhr>hmm
02:17:14  <uptownhr>http://pastebin.com/1wq4jQP6
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02:17:18  <tinklebear>seems so simple. I think this guys examples may just be wrong.
02:17:19  <KingDragon>uptownhr: I don't think I've run into your situation before. :/
02:17:25  <KingDragon>tinklebear: did yo usee my last?
02:17:27  <uptownhr>that's what i'm trying to do
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02:17:39  <KingDragon>tinklebear: it's working fine for me after making that change
02:17:44  <tinklebear>yeah it still fails. You don't see that just running node then the file name
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02:17:58  <tinklebear>run node
02:18:04  <tinklebear>then type .load ./filename.js
02:18:10  <tinklebear>you'll see the errors
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02:19:30  <KingDragon>tinklebear: do this http://pastebin.com/SYpKJxGz
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02:19:50  <KingDragon>I run it with: node whatever.js where whatever.js = the file storing this data
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02:21:40  <uptownhr>anyone have experience using mongoose and populate?
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02:22:30  <uptownhr>should i be using mongoose?
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02:24:21  <tinklebear>KingDragon you wont' see the errors that way
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02:24:33  <tinklebear>here's what i got pasting exactly what you have: http://pastebin.com/VeZgQxzL
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02:25:49  <taternuts>the handler function should be hoisted
02:26:05  <taternuts>there's probably an error in the handler function causing it to resolve to undefined
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02:26:29  <taternuts>or something
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02:27:08  <tinklebear>that's what i thought taternuts
02:27:27  <tinklebear>well after i put it above the reference
02:27:28  <tinklebear>itworks
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02:27:38  <Dev0n>they*
02:27:45  <taternuts>interesting
02:27:49  <tinklebear>then i get a app.listen(4000);
02:27:49  <tinklebear>TypeError: Object #<Object> has no method 'listen'
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02:28:01  <tinklebear>so now the http server has no listen method
02:28:02  <tinklebear>lol
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02:28:37  <Silne30>Hello, all.
02:28:54  <Silne30>I am having a hard time since I upgraded Nginx.
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02:29:30  <Silne30>I think I might have accidentally overwritten some kind of configuration with a new configuration. At any rate, I am using Jenkins to deploy a node.js application and start it.
02:29:45  <joelteon>can the "https" module use client certificates?
02:29:51  <Silne30>When I access my site, all of my resources fail to load with a 502 Bad Gateway error.
02:29:58  <Silne30>All except the HTMl.
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02:30:49  <Silne30>I have been all over google about 502 errors but the answers seem to be for much older versions of Express/Nginx.
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02:30:58  <Silne30>So I am at a loss.
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02:31:39  <KingDragon>tinklebear: please pay attention to how the guy executes his code in the demo @9:20, what/where are you getting this .load concept?
02:31:52  <tinklebear>lol
02:31:55  <tinklebear>that's build into node
02:32:08  <KingDragon>ok... well, I'm doing it my way and it's working fine
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02:33:07  <tinklebear>no its not
02:33:13  <tinklebear>you're just not seeing the error messages
02:33:20  <KingDragon>right, because it executes fine
02:33:24  <tinklebear>sure
02:33:26  <tinklebear>does it work
02:33:32  <KingDragon>yes, want screenshots?
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02:33:41  <tinklebear>so you're getting a socket connection
02:33:44  <tinklebear>and your page loads
02:33:55  <tinklebear>you're seeing the socket data in the console
02:33:55  <KingDragon>my page loads yes, you can't even get THAT far
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02:34:13  <tinklebear>well got me then brotha
02:34:17  <KingDragon>:/
02:34:36  <Silne30>Anyone think they know what's going on with my situation?
02:34:41  <tinklebear>what version of node are you running
02:34:46  <KingDragon>That's why I recommended use the code I sent you, store it in a file and do it from command line as node file.js
02:34:50  <tinklebear>i did
02:34:51  <tinklebear>i did
02:34:52  <tinklebear>jesuse
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02:35:04  <KingDragon>v0.11.14-pre
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02:35:12  <tinklebear>maybe that's it
02:35:12  <tinklebear>then
02:35:16  <tinklebear>i'm using the stable version
02:35:18  <tinklebear>i dunno
02:35:24  <tinklebear>i can upgrade and try i suppose
02:35:27  <taternuts>it's probably not it
02:35:50  <KingDragon>^
02:35:56  <tinklebear>the funny thing is i got this to work with socket-client and and socket server
02:36:01  <taternuts>you're probably missing something really small and you're just too frustrated to see it right now
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02:36:28  <KingDragon>I have to agree with taternuts.
02:36:32  <tinklebear>lol
02:36:55  <tinklebear>well I've tried EXACTLY what KingDragon and everyone else has suggested
02:37:11  <tinklebear>I got further with Caffeines suggestion
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02:37:28  <tinklebear>but now there literally is not listen method on the http server
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02:37:32  <diegoaguilar>So if who is myself says diegoaguilar is logged in as diegoaguilar
02:37:33  <KingDragon>tinklebear: some things to consider as well, did you create a package.json and make sure the right versions are installed through npm?
02:37:49  <tinklebear>when you run node in that interactive way you can type app. and it will show you all the methods
02:37:52  <tinklebear>listen isn't even there
02:37:53  <tinklebear>so odd
02:38:24  <tinklebear>the only think i did with npm is npm install socket.io
02:38:30  <tinklebear>should i need to do anything else
02:38:46  <KingDragon>yes
02:38:57  <tinklebear>what
02:38:57  <KingDragon>I think ... *checks*
02:39:22  <crescend1>ahhh, how I wish I could `require('module', { with: 'params' })`...
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02:39:45  <taternuts>nah socket.io should be it
02:39:49  <KingDragon>tinklebear: ah, sorry to get your hopes up, I forgot fs and http were built in.
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02:41:30  <KingDragon>taternuts: well, I'm stumped.
02:41:30  <tinklebear>welp i'm done for tonight
02:41:35  <tinklebear>never seen this before
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02:41:48  <tinklebear>literally there is no .listen method
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02:42:30  <taternuts>there's no .listen method probably because the server wasn't instantiated properly
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02:42:54  <taternuts>but I'd just look at it tomorrow
02:43:16  <tinklebear>I copied it verbatim
02:43:20  <tinklebear>not sure how I could fuck that up
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02:44:11  <taternuts>you'd be surprised how easy it is to do that
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02:46:10  <tinklebear>well after I saw it not hoist a function and then work after i put it in order
02:46:17  <tinklebear>i have my doubts
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02:47:59  <tilleps>Is there a way to catch exceptions from a forked process?
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02:48:35  <tinklebear>This is what I'm working with now. See if it works for you guys: http://pastebin.com/7wwCL6nG
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02:50:33  <GreenJello>tillbaks, .on('error') ?
02:50:40  <GreenJello>tilleps*
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02:53:00  <tilleps>GreenJello: doesn't appear to work http://pastebin.com/w5y7Terg
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02:54:11  <tilleps>I've also tried child.stderr.on('data') also
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02:58:07  <GreenJello>tillbaks, you could try using .on('message') and having the child manually send errors to the parent
02:58:20  <GreenJello>tilleps*
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03:00:03  <tinklebear>For anyone interested, this stupid hack works: http://pastebin.com/dnqp2bB5
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03:00:43  <tilleps>GreenJello: I wasn't aware you could send a message to the parent
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03:07:32  <tinklebear>Of course now the socket.io shit isn't working
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03:13:02  <tilleps>tinklebear: you running socketio 1.0+?
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03:14:08  <tinklebear>I found a better example. I'm just going to use that guys. I think this guys shit is just busted. I dunno. I'm going with this. http://socket.io/docs/ See what happens. If I fuck that up, I quit for the night.
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03:14:19  <tinklebear>thanks guys, sorry for the whining
03:14:37  <tinklebear>tilleps i'm not sure whatever comes with the newest version of .10 node
03:14:41  <tinklebear>and npm install socket.io
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03:15:33  <taternuts>hehe, godspeed tinklebear
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03:16:00  <tilleps>your line 9 looks wrong
03:16:17  <tilleps>I think it should be something like: var io = require('socket.io')(app);
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03:16:54  <tilleps>actually: var io = require('socket.io')(o);
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03:22:41  <Dev0n>is it possible to have node.js app listen only on a specific subdomain or would I have to go along the route of configuring a load balancer for that?
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03:23:20  <CaffeineAddict>@Devon possible, yes ... but I think most people use a reverse proxy for that
03:23:22  <tinklebear>tilleps you are right
03:23:27  <tinklebear>ok here's what i've discovered
03:23:55  <tinklebear>I think what tilleps just said would have allowed the previous app to work
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03:24:27  <tinklebear>also like KingDragon tried to tell my dumb butt...just running node file.js fixed the not hoisting problem
03:24:45  <tinklebear>something is odd about running it in "interactive" mode or whatever that is
03:25:04  <tinklebear>with firing up node and then doing a .load ./file.js
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03:25:19  <tinklebear>functions didnt' hoist is suppose...it threw that error
03:25:21  <CaffeineAddict>@Dev0n https://gist.github.com/joemccann/644282 is a decent nginx setup guide for node.js
03:25:23  <tinklebear>anyhow...working now
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03:25:43  <tinklebear>thanks guys and sorry for being a dick...tater was right...frustrated
03:25:45  <tinklebear>night
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03:27:11  <Dev0n>thanks CaffeineAddict, how is the socket socket with nginx as the front man?
03:27:16  <Dev0n>socket.io support I mean
03:28:28  <CaffeineAddict> sorry, that Gist was changed big time since compared to the version i have in my evernote
03:28:31  <CaffeineAddict>try https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-host-multiple-node-js-applications-on-a-single-vps-with-nginx-forever-and-crontab
03:28:49  <CaffeineAddict>"how is the socket socket with nginx as the front man?" dont understand
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03:30:14  <Dev0n>CaffeineAddict, I've had issues with getting socket connections to work with nginx before
03:30:27  <Dev0n>I know the latest version has fixed this issue but not sure if it's stable enough
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03:30:44  <CaffeineAddict>I dont know, I havnt had any trouble sofar
03:31:01  <Dev0n>cool
03:31:05  <CaffeineAddict>I dont do anything crazy, but I have 3 diff subdomains pointed at my server
03:31:08  <Dev0n>I'll check out out, thanks
03:31:32  <CaffeineAddict>the two I was looking into when I set it up where nginx and lighttpd
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03:31:55  <CaffeineAddict>and nginx seemd to be better at the time, though I cant remember why I came to that conclusion
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03:38:21  <BladeSling>Noob question. When do I need to clone an object? I recently ran into an issue where I had to clone an object. It appears to also affect arrays..
03:39:22  <CaffeineAddict>@BladeSling not exactly sure what your asking
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03:40:12  <BladeSling>var array = [1,2,3,4]; var newArray = array; newArray.push(5); console.log(array) 1,2,3,4,5
03:40:40  <CaffeineAddict>yes
03:40:50  <CaffeineAddict>are you saying that you dont want that to happen?
03:41:11  <BladeSling>Correct, but I'm curious in what other cases it happens. Arrays, objects? Maybe dates too?
03:41:47  <CaffeineAddict>I believe it happens to anything that is classified as an object
03:41:55  <CaffeineAddict>in other words, anything that is not a primitive
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03:42:13  <CaffeineAddict>not (int, bool, float)
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03:42:33  <CaffeineAddict>oh and string
03:43:04  <BladeSling>Hmmm. Interesting. K. Is there a function in node yet to clone? I was reading this stack and it is suggesting a module.
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03:44:29  <CaffeineAddict>well, one way to do it (a dirty but effective way) is to use eval()
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03:44:39  <ljharb>BladeSling: https://www.npmjs.org/package/object.assign
03:44:41  <ljharb>it's in ES6
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03:44:56  <ljharb>generally needing to clone things tho is kind of a code smell
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03:45:54  <CaffeineAddict>yah, if you find that you need to clone an object ... you might want to re-think how you are doing things
03:45:58  <BladeSling>I'm building an ODM, like mongoose, to support NEDB. I seem to have to work with lotsa objects...
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03:46:18  <CaffeineAddict>have you considered building a class?
03:46:35  <BladeSling>What do you mean?
03:47:18  <BladeSling>You mean like a javascript class? Or...
03:47:25  <CaffeineAddict>yah
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03:48:07  <CaffeineAddict>as in a function that acts as a constructor with prototype functions added to it
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03:48:46  <BladeSling>Yeah, doing modules. I have schema, module, and I'll probably have schema types. The class doesn't help though to my knowledge. For this case at least.
03:48:53  <CaffeineAddict>im use to coding in coffeescript because its more pythonic
03:49:11  <CaffeineAddict>if you go to coffeescript.org and do ctrl+f "class Animal"
03:49:28  <CaffeineAddict>on the left it shows a class as im use to dealing w/ it ... and on the right is the javascript version
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03:51:03  <drag0nius>hello, how can i load local copy of Dojo Toolkit into nodejs?
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03:51:15  <drag0nius>i'm getting "Error: require.paths is removed. Use node_modules folders, or the NODE_PATH environment variable instead."
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03:52:33  <BladeSling>CaffeineAddict: That is... different... very short in comparison. Weird looking almost.
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03:54:32  <CaffeineAddict>BladeSling: different, yes ... I like it because its very much like python and makes building classes alot easier than it is in native js.
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03:55:48  <CaffeineAddict>but the point I was making is that if you are working with lots of objects, you could build a class out of the object and then when you call `new classname(args)` it would give you a unique version of the class
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03:57:21  <CaffeineAddict>BladeSling: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/122102/what-is-the-most-efficient-way-to-clone-an-object
03:57:35  <BladeSling>Ah. Yeah, well I'm building objects. But since I'm creating an ODM, the entire point is to handle incoming objects and translate them into the database
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03:57:46  <CaffeineAddict>has a good answer on the topic
03:57:59  <BladeSling>But I don't want to fondle the incoming objects, just clone them and then fondle them.
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03:58:57  <BladeSling>For this case, I'm doing recursion, sending an array through the loop and I want to modify it and continue the rest of the function while sending it through the loop again.
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04:00:38  <BladeSling>Thanks CaffeineAddict :D
04:00:44  <CaffeineAddict>np
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04:15:16  <drag0nius>how can i break inside html file that throws exception?
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04:16:08  <CaffeineAddict>like try to figure out what line is throwing the error?
04:16:21  <drag0nius>i know where it is
04:16:28  <drag0nius>i want to browse 'this' object inside call
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04:16:42  <drag0nius>cos i'm pretty sure it's not what i would expect
04:16:48  <CaffeineAddict>console.log(this)?
04:17:22  <drag0nius>isnt it possible to just put a breakpoint there?
04:17:26  <CaffeineAddict>if your using chrome you can open up the console and it actualy shows you the value of all the vars in the dom
04:17:27  <drag0nius>oh wait
04:17:32  <CaffeineAddict>even after an error
04:17:39  <drag0nius>i forgot im not on node-webkit ;d
04:18:02  <drag0nius>hmm but still
04:18:06  <drag0nius>it's nodejs error i think
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04:18:18  <CaffeineAddict>in the browser?
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04:19:35  <prospective_user>I'm thinking about getting into node.js (haven't built anything on it yet), but I'm wondering if there's any good tool on top of it that'd let me build a desktop application and then move that to the web later if needed
04:19:37  <drag0nius>basically (function(){this}) inside global scope
04:20:18  <CaffeineAddict>drag0nius: you mean inside of a javascript closure?
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04:21:00  <CaffeineAddict>prospective_user: best way to learn any programing lang is to build something ... what do you want to build
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04:21:25  <drag0nius>well maybe it would be the easiest if i just gave u the link to source
04:21:43  <drag0nius>http://dojo.drag0nius.net/dojo/dojo.js line 1963
04:21:53  <styol>prospective_user: was about to suggest node-webkit, but the problem is that the logic and functionality available will not seamlessly migrate to a browser (depending on what you end up doing). It might be easier to go the other way around since you won't have certain functionality that is most commonly not available in the browser
04:22:08  <drag0nius>the variable 'dojoConfig' is defined before requiring this script
04:22:18  <drag0nius>in a global scope
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04:22:28  <styol>prospective_user: that plus or minus browserify
04:22:29  <drag0nius>when im calling this in browser
04:22:31  <prospective_user>CaffeineAddict: thanks, I want to build a desktop app, but I'm thinking I'll want to port it to the web later, potentially.
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04:22:42  <drag0nius>"this" is a window, and "this.dojoConfig" is what i would expect
04:22:48  <drag0nius>but i've no clue what "this" is in nodejs
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04:23:18  <styol>prospective_user: if you use node-webkit and keep the client and server decoupled, it will mostly seamlessly migrate to the web.. but the temptation will be there to do things you simply can't do in a browser (like CORS)
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04:23:34  <prospective_user>styol: thanks, I'll check it out. The other way around seems easier, but I don't think I want to involve the overhead of servers 'n stuff
04:24:05  <CaffeineAddict>prospective_user: desktop app, yes ... but to do what?
04:24:10  <prospective_user>styol: I see, so it's mostly about restricting what I use.
04:24:57  <prospective_user>CaffeineAddict: task management stuff, all I really need beyond basic html/css/etcc is a database.
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04:25:49  <prospective_user>CaffeineAddict: I'm really just looking for a light GUI that I can customize/change/work with fast
04:25:51  <drag0nius>"Error: require.paths is removed. Use node_modules folders, or the NODE_PATH environment variable instead"
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04:26:00  <styol>prospective_user: you could always build the web version first and then throw it in web-kit as a wrapper for menu actions, close button, and things of that nature.. that way it is inherently just a web site
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04:26:02  <drag0nius>the message is
04:26:07  <drag0nius>because that function returns this.require
04:26:11  <drag0nius>instead of this.dojoConfig
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04:26:41  <styol>*node-webkit
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04:27:11  <prospective_user>styol: hmm, yeah that seems like pretty solid advice. I kind of wanted to avoid developing using the browser, but the node local server is much nicer than the one on my last framework I was using
04:27:26  <CaffeineAddict>drag0nius: I would try `console.log(JSON.stringify(this));`
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04:28:10  <prospective_user>CaffeineAddict: thanks for the advice, I was thinking sqlite3 would do the job nicely too
04:28:20  <styol>prospective_user: developing using an application approach will probably be more slow and painful than just the browser, but also check out yeoman generators which can get you started quick and commonly includes watch / live reload functionality and boiler plate stuff like that
04:29:10  <drag0nius>converting cirular structure to JSON
04:29:14  <styol>depends I guess, you could almost just as easily simply refresh an iframe or something to a local server running node-webkit.. i think there might also be a guide for something of the sort as well
04:29:14  <prospective_user>styol: thanks so much I definitely will. I haven't done a lot of desktop stuff, so you're probably right that it would be slower, now that I think about it.
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04:31:09  <CaffeineAddict>prospective_user: node.js is more of a server backend type of a thing so you can build things with it but it is less of a front end and more of a server framework. If you plan on using sqlite3 and are on windows, I would use http://sqliteadmin.orbmu2k.de/ in terms of the front end web design I would look into Macaw http://macaw.co/
04:32:07  <CaffeineAddict>drag0nius: nuts ... yah that would be a problem
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04:32:53  <CaffeineAddict>drag0nius: can you add a variable to the object before you get to that part of the code and then check for it before that line?
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04:34:33  <CaffeineAddict>the other thing you could do is at the end of the closure pass it the object you want it to be using as an argument ... aka `(function () {} )(that)`
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04:37:50  <drag0nius>hmm
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04:37:58  <drag0nius>looks like nodejs by itself resolves this correctly
04:38:04  <drag0nius>but when i run it inside node-webkit
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04:38:25  <drag0nius>it doesnt
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04:43:49  <drag0nius>ok
04:43:55  <drag0nius>looks like this is some weird object
04:43:57  <drag0nius>really weird object ;d
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04:44:31  <drag0nius>http://wklej.org/hash/d3a4220ed66/
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04:46:34  <CaffeineAddict>thats the object it returned?
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04:47:07  <drag0nius>yeah
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04:47:11  <drag0nius>thats this ;D
04:47:23  <drag0nius>i just printed for (var p in this)
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04:47:47  <drag0nius>hmm... isn't it global?
04:47:51  <vexadecimal>Out of curiosity, has anyone here used Node.JS for a web-based game? Any thoughts on your experiences?
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04:50:24  <CaffeineAddict>vexadecimal: I havnt personaly, but I have seen it done before. I works great for a server backend, and if you pair that with client side JS & Canvas you can do some pretty cool things
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04:51:30  <FreefallGeek>Im in the process of trying to use it to handle the backend, with threejs and cannonjs for client-side rendering
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04:52:44  <drag0nius>.. yeah, "this.global.dojoConfig =" instead of "Var dojoConfig ="
04:53:13  <drag0nius>and i didn't even have to modify dojo sources ;d
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04:55:29  <CaffeineAddict>FreefallGeek: Never really played with threejs but I have heard good things about it. I usualy use kinetic.js but then again, im usualy making graphs or widgits
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04:55:48  <CaffeineAddict>drag0nius: lol
04:56:03  <drag0nius>actually global.dojoConfig is sufficient
04:56:07  <CaffeineAddict>didnt even know `this.global.` was a thing
04:56:30  <CaffeineAddict>oh, that makes a bit more sence
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04:57:22  <drag0nius>funny thing
04:57:28  <drag0nius>simple dojoConfig = doesnt work
04:57:37  <drag0nius>it doesn't land in global
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04:58:12  <vexadecimal>CaffeineAddict: that's what I was figuring. I thought with the non-blocking IO you could do some cool stuff with multiplayer functionality.
04:58:17  <drag0nius>time to report a bug i think
04:58:34  <CaffeineAddict>drag0nius: well not landing in global is the entire point of using a closure ... but yah
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04:59:04  <drag0nius>the thing is, i am calling it inside <script> tag
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04:59:34  <drag0nius>so it is global
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04:59:56  <Absorben1>hello
05:00:03  <CaffeineAddict>vexadecimal: yes, and on top of that you could actualy create a cluster of servers and do load balancing between them ... all within node.js
05:00:04  <Absorben1>anyone worked with koa and mongoose?
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05:00:40  <vexadecimal>CaffeineAddict: I didn't realize that! Beautiful. Thanks!
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05:04:19  <CaffeineAddict>vexadecimal: my work is focused on dealing with large sensor networks in which I have a bunch of small small node.js servers running on arm processors communicating with hardware via serial IO and then relaying the data back to a database via TCP/IP where all the data is turned into graphs, logs, and user interfaces
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05:04:36  <CaffeineAddict>the same concept would easily translate to a mmo
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05:07:44  <vexadecimal>CaffeineAddict: I can definitely see that. Like you said, really well-suited for load balancing. Awesome.
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05:09:50  <ladekjaer>I am running an http server (an API) in Node.js. How do I log the responses I send out, including the body?
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05:11:32  <CaffeineAddict>depends on how you did the http server ... if its just the node.http lib then you could write a function to save data to a log and then call that function before each responce
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05:12:43  <CaffeineAddict>kinda odd though ... usualy people know what they are sending and are more interested in logging the requests
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05:15:04  <ladekjaer>CaffeineAddict: Ok, I am using the http lib native to node, and am doing as you suggest. I was just hoping it could be done prettier.
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05:15:25  <Aria>ladekjaer: The simplest way I can think of is to write a proxy specifically to do that. It'd stay entirely disentangled from the main implementation.
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05:15:46  <ladekjaer>CaffeineAddict: Yeah, it is kinda odd, however, I have been asked to do so.
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05:16:05  <Aria>ladekjaer: You could do it in the request, though, by piping writes to res through a stream that logs. It would depend on how you built your server.
05:16:57  <ladekjaer>Aria: Thanks, I really like both you suggestions.
05:17:36  <ladekjaer>Aria: I guess the first one (proxy) is the simplest to maintain.
05:17:54  <Aria>Glad to help. The piping into something into res is interesting, but res is not just a writable stream, but a more specific class in the http module. If you want to make something transparent, it'll be a bit of work. So I'd prefer the proxy.
05:18:07  <Aria>(I like tools that do only one thing, and do it well, so a proxy satisfies me particularly)
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05:18:51  <Aria>You do get an interesting problem with a proxy, though, if your log is slower than your requests. You'll have to buffer somewhere, rate limit, or otherwise be careful.
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05:19:18  <Aria>In general this is a worry when you're sending the same data to two places, and you approach the line rate of either.
05:19:31  <Aria>This may not affect your scale, but it's worth considering.
05:20:29  <CaffeineAddict>Aria: both the responce and the log of the responce should be async ... so with the exception of the log getting supper behind I dont think it should cause that big of an issue
05:20:59  <Aria>Yeah -- it really matters when you continuously run over the rate of the slower.
05:21:04  <Aria>Depends on your scale!
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05:21:20  <Aria>(I'm definitely in a 'paypal scale' mindset today ;-))
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05:21:45  <ladekjaer>I am very found of the single purpose programs.
05:22:43  <CaffeineAddict>well even still, you could add a function to the responce object so that instead of calling responce.write(something) you would call responce.__send() which inturn calls responce.write() after logging
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05:23:45  <ladekjaer>That might be the rather pretty solution and very simple.
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05:24:25  <ladekjaer>Using a proxy, I guess I would have some trouble pairing up the request/reponse in the log.
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05:25:19  <ladekjaer>Keeping the logging with the server logic that would not be a problem.
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05:26:36  <Aria>A proxy can keep them together. Most are implemented in node's http module as it is anyway.
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05:28:37  <ladekjaer> If I write a proxy to set up in front of the api server, how do I pair up the request and responses?
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05:30:39  <crocket>How do I manipulate DOM easily in nodejs?
05:30:45  <ladekjaer>Oh, maybe I am just tired now. Then the proxy gets a request the response is maked by requesting the API. Yeah, no problem pairing request/response.
05:30:48  <crocket>I just want to log in an HTML form in nodejs
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05:30:51  <Aria>Hehe. Yep.
05:30:51  <crocket>I want to get login cookie
05:31:07  <Aria>crocket: The DOM is generally in the browser, not inside a process running node.
05:31:10  <ladekjaer>Thanks you both :)
05:31:28  <Aria>crocket: Are you trying to drive a browser? Or automate http requests?
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05:31:35  <Aria>Any time, ladekjaer
05:31:41  <crocket>Aria, automate http requests
05:31:48  <ladekjaer>Thaks.
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05:31:53  <crocket>Aria, I just want to get a login cookie from an HTML form.
05:31:53  <ladekjaer>*Thanks
05:32:25  <Aria>crocket: Aah! Okay, that makes sense. You'll want a tool like zombie or cheerio or something like that. There's a bunch of them. Scraping frameworks and other tools.
05:32:39  <crocket>Isn't zombie somewhat heavy?
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05:32:47  <Aria>crocket: though if the system is simple enough, you can ignore the form, send the data directly over HTTP, and read the response.
05:32:52  <crocket>I'm sure zombiejs alone would be sufficient.
05:33:01  <Aria>Not sure how you'd measure 'heavy'.
05:33:13  <Aria>Zombie uses an HTML parser, and a DOM implementation, and it can actually run scripts.
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05:33:36  <Aria>That's definitely not trivial, but it's also not extremely large. It's not like a browser, with a render tree and all that.
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05:34:50  <crocket>Aria, The login process is very complicated.
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05:35:03  <crocket>The HTML form makes it simple.
05:35:09  <crocket>It is combined with javascript.
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05:35:26  <crocket>Can cheerio handle HTML forms associated with javascript codes?
05:35:33  <Aria>Oh lovely. So you really may need a DOM, the ability to execute scripts in the 'page', all that.
05:35:42  <crocket>Aria, zombie?
05:35:44  <Aria>Not sure. I've not used cheerio deeply. I've heard it's faster, it seemed a little simpler.
05:35:46  <Aria>Zombie can.
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05:36:12  <crocket>Aria, cheerio is jquery on nodejs
05:36:20  <Aria>Not exactly.
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05:37:08  <Aria>Hm. Perhaps I'm thinking of the wrong project. Darn my memory.
05:37:23  <Aria>Oh, no, that was it.
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05:37:38  <Aria>Yeah, looks like it doesn't run scripts, since it doesn't use a full DOM
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05:40:54  <Aria>I'd bet so, if it really is that complex.
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05:41:08  <crocket>AAArrrrgggh!!
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05:46:42  <arg>My application needs support of real time bidding. Do we have any existing modules? OR any open source to get an idea. Any inputs?
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05:49:17  <Aria>arg: What kind of time is real time?
05:49:31  <Aria>(over what kind of application?)
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05:52:34  <CaffeineAddict>arg: real time as in ajax request real time ... or real time as in websocket real time?
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05:54:20  <crocket>HELLo
05:54:21  <Aria>... Or as in TCP socket over controlled network realtime?
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05:54:55  <CaffeineAddict>Aria: can you even do that from a browser?
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05:55:52  <Aria>Not most, but nobody mentioned browser ;-)
05:56:05  <spronk>can anyone recommend a DI container lib/framework ?
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05:56:15  <CaffeineAddict>Aria: true enough
05:56:38  <CaffeineAddict>DI?
05:56:42  <Aria>Dependency injection.
05:56:43  <spronk>dependency injection
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05:56:51  <CaffeineAddict>wow, thats a new one
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05:57:11  <Aria>I've so rarely felt the need for dependency injection tools to be anything other than 'pass a parameter to something' in javascript.
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05:57:26  <spronk>hmm, yeah
05:57:29  <gurke_>good morning. :)
05:57:31  <spronk>i think i've kinda outgrown that
05:57:55  <Aria>In less flexible languages, they're needed to do the equivalent of something like module.exports = function (foo) { return function () { use foo as dependency } }
05:57:58  <Aria>W
05:58:03  <spronk>currently passing a database service, amqp service, and an API service to a function
05:58:16  <spronk>its a bit hairy
05:58:21  <Aria>So you can parameterize dependencies.
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05:58:24  <crapwagon>yeah that's how i code everything
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05:58:36  <crapwagon>with closures explicitly indicating dependencies
05:58:44  <crapwagon>otherwise it's a fucking pain in the ass
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05:58:45  <spronk>well
05:58:50  <spronk>they're also there to decouple
05:58:57  <Aria>function (config) { return stuff that uses config.db, config.amqp, config.apiservice }
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05:59:23  <spronk>yeah
05:59:30  <spronk>it falls apart when i need those services in multiple locations though
05:59:34  <spronk>across multiple modules
05:59:42  <Aria>Yeah? Can't pass the same config around?
05:59:45  <spronk>well
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05:59:50  <spronk>i could probably find a way
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06:00:03  <spronk>but it'd be interfering with the design of the code
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06:00:17  <Aria>How does this application get reconfigured?
06:00:52  <Aria>most of my apps have ended up not needing the configurability of injected dependencies, in javascript.
06:00:54  <spronk>i have a models module that is getting used across two different apps
06:01:01  <crapwagon>so you end up with a service locator pattern eh
06:01:06  <Aria>Ah, fun.
06:01:23  <spronk>i don't want to couple both to the same config system as they are currently quite different
06:01:24  <Aria>So a shared 'model', but different db or something like that.
06:01:37  <Aria>How about plain parameterization?
06:01:41  <spronk>one's behind express
06:01:49  <spronk>one isn't
06:01:51  <Aria>module.exports = function (db, amqp) { ... } ?
06:01:54  <spronk>hmm
06:02:24  <spronk>i could do that
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06:02:55  <Aria>Some of my thinking on this comes from my general disuse of inheritance, and relatively seldom use of class orientation at all. A lot of the heavier DI patterns end up being heavily class-orientation-dependent.
06:03:22  <crapwagon>i like the way Aria thinks
06:03:29  <spronk><3 classes :P
06:03:36  <spronk>actually i don't
06:03:42  <spronk>i love interfaces, and wish javascript had them, but yknow
06:03:49  <Aria>But with pure functions available in the language, independent of making classes, and with a dynamic type system, I think a lot of the need for a DI framework goes away.
06:03:56  <crapwagon>sounds like you need to dejava your brainium
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06:04:12  <Aria>Hehe. I'm starting to find that I'm loving Rust style traits.
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06:04:17  <Aria>The class model turned upside down.
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06:05:08  <Aria>A kind of perfect unification of interfaces and actual implementation.
06:05:11  <haywire>hi there,
06:05:26  <Aria>I keep trying to think how those concepts would be used in Javascript.
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06:06:11  <arg>@Aria: real time bidding module
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06:06:47  <Aria>arg: Yeah, but browser-based? Custom client? Automated bidding in some niche network?
06:06:47  <arg>@CaffeineAddict: I am looking for real time bidding module from my application.
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06:07:02  <haywire>I wanted to know when is require('myModule') fired off? after a client has connected or nodejs requires and keeps the objects of myModule in memory beforehand only??
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06:07:37  <Aria>haywire: require is a regular javascript function. It's called as that line is executed; if it's at the top of your file, it'll be executed as it loads that module.
06:07:55  <Aria>haywire: The results of require are cached, though, so calling it again won't re-load the module, you'll get the result it gave last time.
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06:08:35  <Aria>haywire: So generally, it's "before", getting your whole application into memory first, but you can in fact do require later in your application's lifecycle.
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06:08:42  <spronk>is it *always* cached?
06:08:46  <Aria>Yes.
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06:09:05  <Aria>(Cached not based on the name passed to require, but based on what file that looks up to relative to the calling module)
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06:09:29  <arg>@Aria: I want to implement in browser based. Is it safe?
06:09:47  <Aria>so a/foo.js requiring('./bar') will have a separate cache entry than b/foo.js requiring('./bar') does.
06:09:57  <Aria>arg: Well, "safe" meaning what?
06:10:16  <Aria>arg: The internet is kinda hostile, and not the most reliable network. But of course, people have been using it for 'good enough!' for years ;-)
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06:10:50  <Aria>arg: It's certainly possible; some clients will have a terrible experience (you can't control their network latency and reliability), but you can make general use quite good.
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06:11:32  <Aria>arg: How fast is 'real time' for you? When it gets down to network latency, of course, the people with the least latent connections win. When the 'real time' speed is a little looser, it's not so bad.
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06:13:50  <arg>@Aria: We are planning 'real time' for 10 seconds.
06:14:05  <Aria>arg: I've not seen any bidding modules; in general, bidding tends to be a simple process, and what makes it real time is often more about the constraints of the system than the implementation of bidding itself.
06:14:20  <Aria>arg: Nice. Ten seconds sounds doable with 95+% of the clients.
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06:15:51  <arg>@Aria: Tx. I just got one module in google. Can you give inputs.. if any.. link: https://github.com/rtbkit/rtbkit/wiki/Nodejs-bidding-agents
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06:16:12  <Aria>Wow, zookeeper.
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06:16:35  <Aria>Lots of infrastructure you may or may not need in there.
06:16:43  <Aria>That's a pretty ... I dunno. Big module.
06:16:50  <Aria>That's a lot of API surface area.
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06:18:04  <Aria>Alright. I'm off to bed. My travel just caught up with me.
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06:24:44  <haywire>@Aria : http://pastebin.com/34S814Gc please have a look at this pseudo code..
06:24:46  <haywire>How may times would alpha be required once the server has started? Is it required everytime a client requests for /api/foo ?
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06:44:00  <Ulrik12>Hey, I'm at the start of a project that will use node. One of the things that we will do is generate pdfs. We have a "server" that takes json data and generates the pdf and returns it and what we need to do in node is to send the data and then serve the pdf to the user. Is it best to send the json and serve the pdf as soon as I get it or should I save the pdf to disc and generate a url for
06:44:00  <Ulrik12>the user to get the pdf?
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06:48:44  <juuso>Ulrik12: cannot really say by only that amount of information. if you don't need the pdf's for record-keeping, i think you could send the PDF by streaming it to the user's browser as file download
06:49:18  <juuso>i don't know what you mean by sending the json and the PDF to the client
06:50:01  <juuso>but file download would probably be the most simple way of dealing with it, unless you believe the user wants to preview the PDF before downloading it
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06:51:15  <juuso>alternatively you could also write the PDF to disk, send it to the client and remove the file after the sending is done.
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06:52:14  <juuso>but depending on your traffic load that may not be viable, plus it introduces a lot of problems like checking when the client has received their file and when to actually remove it etc...
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07:14:22  <staar2>hello
07:14:31  <staar2>active users here ?
07:14:48  <gurke_>no 1283 users are just afk
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07:25:53  <irc_smirk>hello
07:25:59  <irc_smirk>i am new to node
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07:26:22  <irc_smirk>i am confused if i want to just use socket.io
07:26:28  <irc_smirk>do i need to run express, jade, etc?
07:26:45  <irc_smirk>all i need is to pipe one message string from one client to another through a server
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07:50:29  <thomastuts>hi guys, does anyone happen to have any experience with tweaking webstorm/phpstorm performance? i find that my autocomplete behaves a little sluggish.. any pointers? i don't think memory is the problem since it's only at 300/740mb.
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07:54:42  <oomshroom>anyone know how to increase the stacksize in nodejs
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07:56:24  <nightfly>the answer is in the man page
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07:57:01  <nightfly>but I'd guess that you should probably be deferring to the event loop more rather than growing the stack
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08:08:10  <WebSpiri_>thomastuts: I think there 's a setting where you can change the delay before the dropdown appears
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08:14:01  <kevireilly>irc_smirk: you can use just the core http module http://socket.io/docs/
08:14:49  <kevireilly>it is the first example on the docs page
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08:21:37  <iliakan>Does any one knows if isaacs allows to replicate from skimdb.npmjs.com/registry ?
08:21:50  <iliakan>I try curl -X POST http://admin:password@127.0.0.1:5984/_replicate -d '{"source":"https://skimdb.npmjs.com/registry", "target":"registry", "continuous":true, "create_target":true}' -H "Content-Type: application/json"
08:21:55  <iliakan>and get {"error":"timeout"}
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08:24:34  <Sanyoh>hey, i have a problem with node reloading a route. do you know how i can regulate this?
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08:45:20  <kevireilly>Sanyoh: node reloads a route how?
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08:48:48  <Sanyoh>@kevireilly: I have the problem that i have in a route a asynchronous request and data arrives. when all data arrives the page should add the new data to the view. this works perfectly fine. but when the asynchronous request take too long the app.get method of this route is called again.
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08:54:31  <kevireilly>Sanyoh: interesting. Almost sounds like a timeout, but do you have any sample code by chance?
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09:04:38  <cobrabubbles>I just installed nodejs using the community packages of http://packages.synocommunity.com/ but now I need to edit PATH but i don't know where, can't find a readme or doc
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09:05:24  <ljharb>cobrabubbles: node should be installed from an official source, not a package manager
09:05:38  <ljharb>cobrabubbles: install from source, use a binary on nodejs.org, or use something like nvm or n
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09:06:12  <cobrabubbles>tried before, but it required me to mess quite a lot of libraries from the linux environment
09:06:31  <ljharb>installing from source is `./configure && make && sudo make install` - you shouldn't need to mess with anything
09:06:36  <ljharb>cobrabubbles: try http://nvm.sh
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09:07:20  <cobrabubbles>make was giving me troubles, some libs were missing functions
09:07:25  <ljharb>odd
09:07:28  <ljharb>what os?
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09:09:09  <cobrabubbles>Linux version 3.2.40 (root@build5) (gcc version 4.7.3 20130102 (prerelease) (crosstool-NG 1.18.0) ) #4493 SMP Thu Aug 21 21:46:06 CST 2014
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09:10:56  <cobrabubbles>synocommunity do the whole crosscompiling thing, quite usefull, saved me a lot of trouble
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09:23:51  <Glenjamin>hi everyone, I'm seeing my process steadily increase in RSS usage, but when i take a heap dump it shows no increase in the object graph - can anyone suggest what i should look into next?
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09:24:19  <Glenjamin>the memory use doesn't drop after the snapshot, so it's not just the forced GC kicking in
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09:51:27  <lenswipe>I'm using gulp withg gulp-css-url-adjuster (https://www.npmjs.org/package/gulp-css-url-adjuster)
09:52:00  <lenswipe>The problem I have is that I'm getting Object function rework has no method url
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10:50:54  <Monkeyget>Hello
10:51:00  <Monkeyget>I have a stream of arrays [1, 2] | [3, 4] | ... and I want to turn it into a stream of the individual values 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | ...
10:51:29  <Monkeyget>How can I achieve that? I have a feeling there is a very simple solution that I am missing
10:51:43  <timetocode>I'm using node to make a game server (woooooo), and I was experimenting with using an EventEmitter for collisions of game entities. Is it ridiculously hackish to emit an event such as { name: 'collision' + entity.id, data: otherEntityThatColliided }, and then each entity itself wires into the eventEmitter.on('collision' + this.id, function(entity) { // handl collision w/ entity } ?? I'm not very familiar with using the eventem
10:51:43  <timetocode>itter manually nor do i know if having dynamically named events is a no-no.
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10:53:34  <anandthakker>Monkeyget: through2.obj()?
10:53:51  <anandthakker>https://www.npmjs.org/package/through2
10:55:06  <pehlert>Hey folks. Is anyone using pm2 for process management?
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10:55:17  <anandthakker>pehlert: yep, a little bit, but just started
10:55:34  <pehlert>I am wondering if it is possible to automatically monitor (and stop) child processes with the parent process
10:55:39  <pehlert>I know forever does that
10:55:46  <pehlert>pm2 seems to leave the children untouched
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10:57:19  <anandthakker>pehlert: it would be a surprising omission, though, if it couldn’t do that...
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10:58:36  <thibauts>Are there alternatives to ORMs like Bookshelf to query data from SQL ? Maybe in a less stateful and more functional way
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10:59:57  <pehlert>anandthakker: I'm surprised it doesn't support it tbh
11:00:17  <pehlert>Then again, you can use the pm2 lib to start processes and insert them into the process manager
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11:00:34  <pehlert>As opposed to using good old fork
11:00:34  <whyhankee>thibauts: there's Waterline, Sequelize, Jugglindb, Node-orm and maybe more. Never used them buy maybe they work for you
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11:04:50  <thibauts>whyhankee: thanks
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11:07:39  <whyhankee>do we mind a mongo question here? The #mongodb channel is not really responsive at the moment :(
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11:20:37  <lenswipe>wycats, neither is node.js unfortunately
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11:20:48  <lenswipe>whyhankee, even
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11:21:26  <whyhankee>lenswipe: ?
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12:14:06  <Aswebb>Hello guys, does some people have issue with bcrypt 0.7.8 version?
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12:28:38  <grkblood13>I have a VERY large object in a node application that I would like to figure out how much memory its consuming because I had a fatal error occur. How can I do this?
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12:34:20  <RLa>grkblood13, heapdump package
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12:37:28  <grkblood13>thanks RLa, i'll give it a shot
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12:45:10  <grkblood13>RLa: their package appears to be broken in npm :(
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12:45:52  <RLa>really?
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12:46:19  <grkblood13>npm install heapdump is reporting it is, atleast for me
12:46:42  <RLa>which node version you use?
12:47:11  <RLa>if 0.12 then maybe that's it
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12:47:45  <grkblood13>0.10.28
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12:48:28  <RLa>on which platform you are?
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12:48:39  <grkblood13>Centos 6 64bit
12:48:42  <grkblood13>ls
12:48:51  <grkblood13>minus the ls :)
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12:49:28  <RLa>hm, everything looks ok
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12:49:55  <RLa>paste your install log somewhere
12:50:24  <grkblood13>yesterday I downloaded nvm to revert to an older version of node than what the epel repos installed
12:50:28  <grkblood13>maybe that caused something
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12:53:44  <Ulrik12>is 0.12 out now? :o
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12:55:19  <grkblood13>RLa: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c1d1ea2db65eba8fa0dc
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12:55:59  <RLa>0.12 not out yet? i guess i live too much in the future
12:56:25  <pehlert>I have a problem with a nodejs app that spawns several child processes. They appear in the same process group in "ps auxf", but when I send a SIGTERM signal to the parent, the child processes are not terminated with it. I don't think that's expected behaviour, or am I seeing things wrong?
12:56:27  <RLa>grkblood13, using pythin 3.x?
12:56:35  <RLa>python*
12:56:47  <RLa>try python -version
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12:57:10  <grkblood13>RLa: 2.6.6
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12:57:19  <RLa>hm
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12:57:32  <RLa>2.7 is the actual standard version everyone else uses?
12:57:47  <bberry>RLa i believe this is true
12:57:49  <RLa>oh wth, your kernel is 2.x too
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12:58:12  <grkblood13>so I need to update python?
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12:58:32  <RLa>looks most probably option
12:58:37  <RLa>probable*
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12:58:54  <RLa>the error seems to be from python code (node-gyp)
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12:59:54  <RLa>grkblood13, https://github.com/TooTallNate/node-gyp/issues/363
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13:00:15  <RLa>grkblood13, if you installed node from package then re-install it from source
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13:00:28  <RLa>if toolchain allows it
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13:00:49  <bberry>do you all store your client side code along side your server side code?
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13:01:09  <RLa>grkblood13, or read those other solutions from the issue
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13:01:12  <icebox>pehlert: like this: http://nodejs.org/api/child_process.html#child_process_child_kill_signal
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13:01:33  <grkblood13>so nvm was a bad choice yesterday apparently
13:01:38  <RLa>bberry, i put it into separate directory
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13:01:51  <RLa>bberry, usually directly in public
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13:02:20  <RLa>grkblood13, if you need to test newer/older stuff, i would recommend docker
13:02:24  <pehlert>icebox: Yes, but do I need to do that manually? Shouldn't all processes in a process group terminate when a SIGTERM is sent to the parent?
13:02:26  <bberry>RLa: gotcha. so you ahve like /mainfolder/app.js and all your node stuff. and then you have /mainfolder/public/clientstuff ?
13:02:34  <icebox>pehlert: read also http://krasimirtsonev.com/blog/article/Nodejs-managing-child-processes-starting-stopping-exec-spawn
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13:02:46  <pehlert>icebox: Also, I tried that in a process.on('exit') in the parent and it didn't work
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13:03:25  <RLa>server in /app.js, /lib/*.js and client in /public/js/app.js and /public/js/lib/*.js
13:03:35  <icebox>pehlert: it depends on you are launching... if you have any test case, you may share it
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13:03:57  <RLa>bberry, i share very little code, usually i18n and error codes only
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13:05:06  <RLa>bberry, and i put shared code into /public always since require from server side directory might include sensitive data
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13:05:23  <bberry>pehlert, maybe the child process are catching the SIGHUP and ignoring it? hard to say :/
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13:06:02  <grkblood13>RLa: fixed it :)
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13:06:43  <pehlert>icebox: It's deeply buried in our software, I haven't found the time to build an easier test case, yet
13:06:49  <RLa>grkblood13, very good :)
13:06:54  <pehlert>bberry: They shouldn't, no
13:06:59  <icebox>pehlert: I found this one: https://www.npmjs.org/package/tree-kill
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13:08:45  <bberry>RLa, yeah. sounds good
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13:09:19  <grkblood13>now i just have to figure out what im looking at
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13:10:44  <pehlert>icebox: Thanks, but I thought there was a cleaner way.. I'm a bit confused because Wikipedia says about process groups that signals should be delivered to all members of a group, when sent to the parent
13:10:49  <pehlert>And that's what I expected
13:11:06  <pehlert>So I shouldn't be required to take care of the killing myself, imo
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13:13:42  <pehlert>icebox: Sorry, I got that wrong
13:13:49  <pehlert>Shells are doing that themselves
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13:13:57  <pehlert>It's not done by the kernel
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13:14:39  <icebox>pehlert: np... :)
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13:24:24  <grkblood13>RLa: you mind helping me figure out what I'm looking at?
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13:25:44  <grkblood13>:(
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13:26:47  <mihok>whats the problem?
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13:27:24  <grkblood13>im running node-heapdump to try to figure out how much memory an object is taking up
13:28:01  <grkblood13>I have a test script that makes a simple object and runs heapdump and i can load the headsnapshot in chrome but i dont know what im looking at
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13:28:34  <grkblood13>do you have any experience with this?
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13:29:39  <mihok>unfortunatly I dont, im assuming your using https://github.com/bnoordhuis/node-heapdump ?
13:29:45  <grkblood13>yep
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13:30:05  <thedonut_>Anyone here able to help me npm working behind a corp proxy with domain? I can't see to get anything going and using CNTLM is against policies.
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13:30:14  <grkblood13>it seems to work fine, I just dont know what im looking at in the results
13:30:28  <grkblood13>im running this test script https://gist.github.com/anonymous/cb5e6c61efb57320a9d7
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13:31:04  <mihok>grkblood13, im just loading up an example now
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13:31:18  <grkblood13>thanks
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13:33:23  <sybarite>anyone know a sane way to add express-namespace into meanio.org boilerplate?
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13:35:05  <mihok>grkblood13, have you loaded it up in the chrome dev tools profile tab?
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13:36:02  <grkblood13>mihok: yes
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13:37:04  <grkblood13>mihok: this is what i get https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxvNEAXpm_XzVm14TDVtckJHbGM/edit?usp=sharing
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13:37:37  <mihok>yep thats what I get too
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13:38:01  <grkblood13>so how do i find the size of object 'obj' from that information
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13:38:14  <grkblood13>well memory consumption
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13:40:15  <mihok>did you check out the containment option in the top dropdown
13:40:21  <mihok>where it says summary?
13:41:17  <Absorben1>hey
13:41:20  <grkblood13>ok, i see that
13:41:28  <Absorben1>do you guys usually override mongo's default _id?
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13:44:29  <grkblood13>i see 1, [2] :: (GC roots), [3] :: Buffer
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13:49:37  <mihok>grkblood13, sorry im not sure, and i have a meeting, check out this blog post, hopefully it will help
13:49:39  <mihok>http://rein.pk/using-the-heap-profiler-in-chrome-dev-tools/
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13:49:57  <grkblood13>k, thnkas
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13:51:53  <mihok>grkblood13, before I go, try assigning global.obj the obj I think it will show up in the containment view
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13:52:50  <mihok>this is what I see http://imgur.com/FsAmTmI
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13:53:47  <grkblood13>work blocks imgur for me
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13:55:16  <grkblood13>mihok: i PMed you my email addy
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13:57:43  <mscdex>node.js rules!
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13:59:37  <drag0nius>is anyone successfully using Dojo Toolkit inside recent node.js?
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14:01:04  <drag0nius>im constantly geting undefinedModule
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14:03:15  <Sharaal>is dojo not clientside?
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14:03:53  <toddself>Sharaal it is supposed to support node
14:04:02  <toddself>drag0nius how are you using it?
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14:04:24  <drag0nius>im just trying to run it,
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14:04:32  <toddself>but now?
14:04:35  <toddself>er how
14:04:44  <drag0nius>through index/standalone file
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14:07:04  <drag0nius>http://wklej.org/hash/d936e693103/
14:07:04  <tinklebear>Is there any way to reliably interact with node once you've run a file?
14:07:08  <drag0nius>and it cannot find 'dojo/on'
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14:07:31  <tinklebear>I was just firing up node and then doing a .load ./filename.js but apparently that fucks up hoisting.
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14:07:34  <toddself>drag0nius did you install doho with npm?
14:07:45  <drag0nius>nope, i've it in same folder as index.js
14:07:56  <toddself>oh, it cant' find `dojo/on`
14:07:58  <jacargentina>anybody has used grunt-ripple-emulator in a cordova project, to launch ripple on the app ?
14:08:06  <toddself>becaue you forgot hte `./'` in front
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14:08:25  <toddself>if you don't make the path relative in your require statement, it assumes it is installed under node_modules
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14:08:36  <drag0nius>u mean baseUrl?
14:08:39  <toddself>no
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14:08:42  <toddself>I mean the requre statement
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14:08:53  <toddself>you need to change line 14 to be "require('./dojo/on');
14:08:55  <drag0nius>dojo toolkit replaces node require
14:08:58  <toddself>oh
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14:09:06  <drag0nius>with AMD loader
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14:09:09  <toddself>um
14:09:11  <toddself>i have no clue then :)
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14:09:23  <toddself>sorry
14:09:50  <toddself>i have never really used amd (not a fan of the massive configuration overhead )
14:09:51  <drag0nius>or rather moves node's require to another path and then can reference it with require('dojo/node!fs') instead of plain node: require('fs')
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14:10:08  <myndzi>you don't really have to use the configuration stuff
14:10:21  <myndzi>without it it's no worse than node re: specifying paths to things
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14:11:59  <jacargentina>when i launch "grunt ripple" i get "INFO: Could not find cordova as a local module. Expecting to find it installed globally."
14:12:02  <jacargentina>any advice ?
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14:12:10  <jacargentina>where is it "finding" cordova?
14:12:12  <toddself>myndzi unless your stuff isn't AMD wrapped
14:12:15  <toddself>and then like fuck all
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14:12:22  <mihok>jacargentina, node_modules folder?
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14:12:55  <jacargentina>each node_module/X module has its own dependant node_module inside X right ?
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14:13:00  <jacargentina>so i have
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14:13:53  <jacargentina>project/node_modules/grunt-ripple-emulator
14:13:57  <jacargentina>and then also inside it
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14:14:44  <jacargentina>then i have also
14:14:55  <jacargentina>project/node_modules/grunt-ripple-emulator/node_modules/ripple-emulator/node_modules/....
14:15:19  <jacargentina>but inside that last level, i dont see the "cordova" module installed there
14:15:22  <jacargentina>may be that is the problem ?
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14:16:08  <mihok>it could be, try going into that folder and do npm install>
14:16:08  <mihok>?
14:16:09  <BaNzounet>Hey, using bluebird you can wait all promise in a object to be resolved with .props() but this only works with { foo: promise, bar: promise } is there something for this kind of structure : https://gist.github.com/AlexGaspar/742c10aee92ec651f0bc ?
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14:16:17  <mihok>a quick fix could also be to just install it globally
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14:16:25  <jacargentina>i have it globally!
14:16:31  <jacargentina>but it is not working
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14:16:45  <jacargentina>i'm thinking now that maybe i must specify the path to my app as an absolute path
14:16:51  <jacargentina>in the gruntfile
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14:20:34  <choop>is there a default listener i can add to watch an emitter do whatever it's doing, like emitter.on('emit', console.dir )
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14:21:28  <choop>my mssql driver (tedious) is failing silently and exiting the node process
14:21:37  <choop>i have no idea what's going on under the hood
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14:21:55  <Sharaal>choop: perhaps this will help you http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5178869/listen-to-all-emitted-events-in-node-js
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14:22:49  <prometh>if i have an array of paths, some files and some dirs... is there a module available that will fs.stat() each of them and glob() each dir thereby expanding its contents? it should also splice() any new entries in place of the dir it expanded
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14:23:43  <choop>thanks Sharaal i'll look into that
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14:31:04  <danstever>Stumped with a db connection issue — anyone up for a quick question?
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14:31:17  <toddself>danstever just ask if someone can help they will :)
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14:32:16  <danstever>Have an Express project, not sure when this started happening, but my in my routes files req.getConnection is coming back undefined.
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14:33:46  <Ess4_>can you post on pastebin danstever ? :)
14:34:07  <danstever>I am requireing ‘mysql’ and ‘express-connect’ in my app.js, have app.use(connection()); — in my routes req.getConnection.
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14:34:24  <danstever>Ess4_: Sure
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14:35:17  <jacargentina>its solved: i was missing the "keepAlive: true" on the ripple grunt task
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14:37:50  <danstever>Ess4_: http://pastebin.com/kRyN5b81
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14:38:58  <danstever>in the paste — line 28:9 “TypeError: undefined is not a function”
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14:47:52  <Ess4_>there isn't method named getConnection danstever in express
14:48:04  <prometh>is there a expandDirs(array) module ?
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14:48:25  <Ess4_>look at this example: http://outof.me/tag/express-myconnection/
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14:51:05  <prometh>node-walk vs glob ?
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14:54:45  <prometh>errr... walk vs glob
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14:56:17  <danstever>Ess4_: there is in node-express
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15:01:15  <danstever>Ess4_: The only difference in the example that you shared, and what I have is the ‘single-routes-index’ being wrapped in the exports.index function. But in my example it is being passed through the router of Express. Err… Should be, I must say.
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15:04:17  <prometh>guys... walk vs glob.... i want to expand all dirs to a list of only files
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15:08:11  <Sharaal>good thats not morning and I can go home in few minutes :)
15:08:21  <WeeJeWel>Hey all. Can I create another variable like global, so it's accesible to every require() module?
15:08:32  <WeeJeWel>So I don't have to use global.foo, just foo
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15:08:57  <Sharaal>WeeJeWel: why someone should want to use global variables?
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15:09:44  <WeeJeWel>Sharaal, I'm building a large framework, and some variables are better stored globally, such as configs
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15:10:49  <Sharaal>WeeJeWel: I would never use a framework if I see it use global variables… imo no there is no option. And perhaps you want to find a saver solution like give the modules the needed parameter instead of hoping the globals exists
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15:11:30  <prometh>WeeJeWel: use one global variable
15:11:41  <prometh>being the name of the framework
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15:12:06  <prometh>window.framework = { globalvar:asdf, staticMethod:function(){} }
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15:12:22  <prometh>and use closures
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15:12:35  <prometh>err wait... this is #nodejs
15:12:37  <Sharaal>window exists in node.js?
15:12:39  <prometh>>_<
15:12:52  <prometh>it does in node-webkit, btu i had everything mixed up
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15:12:59  <WeeJeWel>Alright.. I just want to prevent typing global.framework everytime
15:12:59  <Sharaal>hehe ok
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15:13:18  <prometh>i would avoid global vars in nodejs
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15:13:34  <Sharaal>yes, not use globals is the preferred solution
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15:13:54  <Sharaal>but do global.something works in node.js? ^^
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15:14:11  <prometh>yep
15:14:19  <WeeJeWel>Alright. Then what's the best practice for 'sharing' config files etc. amongst sub-applications inside the core app? E.g. a socket manager, hardware manager etc.
15:14:20  <Sharaal>terrible thing
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15:15:05  <Sharaal>WeeJeWel: I developed a little framework which supports modular configurations and service container to share services between modules
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15:15:59  <Sharaal>WeeJeWel: perhaps you want to have something like that, a service container giving every module to share things and independet configuration objects for every module
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15:17:03  <WeeJeWel>Sound familiar. For example, my app should connect multiple modules together. I figured the easiest way would be something like Framework.module('socket').on('foo', ..);
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15:17:36  <WeeJeWel>they just should be able to talk to eachother, and inherit some basic settings like configs and a database manager
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15:18:40  <Sharaal>in my case is something like that: one module share a io service: module.exports = function (moduleconfig, services) { services.io = …; }
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15:18:48  <Sharaal>and another module use it: module.exports = function (moduleconfig, services) { services.io.on(…); }
15:19:16  <WeeJeWel>How has it access to services?
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15:19:28  <WeeJeWel>or do you pass that variable on init?
15:19:41  <WeeJeWel>new Module(config, services)
15:19:51  <Sharaal>have a moduleloader which loads all modules and give them the service container and his configurationobject
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15:20:33  <Sharaal>WeeJeWel: if you want details: https://github.com/dragonnodejs/skeleton
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15:20:54  <WeeJeWel>alright. and for my own reference, if you pass that variable services for example, it's dynamic, so it doesn't make a copy, right?
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15:21:04  <WeeJeWel>or, 'pointer-style'
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15:21:27  <Sharaal>services is a object, so the values get not copied
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15:22:18  <Sharaal>if you mean that
15:22:19  <WeeJeWel>awesome, thank you so much
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15:22:52  <Sharaal>np :)
15:22:54  <WeeJeWel>I still think making another global variable is easier though :p
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15:23:10  <WeeJeWel>But it's not so... logical from many perspectives, i see that
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15:23:45  <Sharaal>easier yes, but have much disadvantages like harder to unit test
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15:24:07  <Sharaal>and globals are fast overritten, own scope for this things is much saver
15:24:22  <WeeJeWel>How is that different from passing an object then?
15:24:45  <WeeJeWel>e.g., in the module, services.foo = 'bar'; will overwrite foo for all modules, right?
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15:25:24  <Sharaal>yes, but the control of the services object is in the modules
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15:25:50  <Sharaal>or more or less yes, you can protect services and throw error if try to override a service
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15:26:31  <Sharaal>so you can improve the handling of the service to avoid this problems if its needed
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15:26:41  <prometh>art piece of teh day:
15:26:41  <prometh>http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/tip-of-the-iceberg-carl-braun.jpg
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15:27:20  <WeeJeWel>ahh, thanks
15:27:24  <WeeJeWel>learned a lot :D
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15:28:31  <snapwich>if I have an array of streams, how would I call a callback once they've all emitted "end"?
15:28:32  <Sharaal>np, I love discussions about my concepts :) or better say I portet the service container concept of symfony
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15:29:10  <prometh>snapwich: could use Promise.all()
15:29:16  <mihok>snapwich, you could keep a counter and check if the counter == array.length, if so, emit ('endAll')
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15:29:25  <snapwich>does Promise.all work with streams?
15:29:26  <prometh>or a counter
15:29:38  <prometh>streams are promise based, aren't they? (not too sure)
15:29:43  <snapwich>i don't think so
15:29:47  <prometh>aye
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15:30:16  <snapwich>mihok: I'll try that counter approach. thanks
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15:30:52  <prometh>bluebird has promisify()
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15:31:13  <prometh>i often just use counters, though
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15:31:26  <snapwich>primitive but effective :)
15:31:32  <mihok>:D
15:31:38  <mihok>KISS!
15:31:39  <prometh>people keep suggesting promises to me.. so i try to use them, hehe
15:31:42  <mihok>keep it simple stupid!
15:31:43  <prometh>:)
15:31:58  <snapwich>solid advice
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15:32:17  <ljharb>grkblood13: did you get your nvm/node-gyp issue resolved?
15:32:22  <mihok>i like the idea of promises, but I tend to not use them usually though
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15:32:29  <grkblood13>ljharb: yep
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15:32:40  <snapwich>it's hard to not try and find an npm library to solve every little problem in node, since there's so many
15:32:50  <ljharb>good
15:32:52  <snapwich>so many libraries that is… not problems :)
15:32:58  <prometh>one day when everything is promise based, promises will be nicer
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15:33:15  <mihok>prometh, agreed
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15:33:33  <prometh>snapwich: fewer dependencies is always great
15:33:45  <mihok>snapwich, I know, its easy to get trapped in dependancy hell
15:33:51  <ljharb>eh - more dependencies is better imo
15:33:58  <snapwich>it depends though. it's also great to have a lot of tried and tested code
15:33:58  <ljharb>the more deps you have, the less code you're writing yourself
15:33:59  <prometh>i use dependencies, of course
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15:34:02  <prometh>but i try to limit them
15:34:14  <mihok>ljharb, theres an argument for overhead to be made here
15:34:20  <snapwich>the more dependencies i use, the less tests I need to write :)
15:34:23  <ljharb>mihok: what kind of overhead?
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15:34:31  <substack>promises are just a different flavor of hell
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15:34:44  <ljharb>a much more delicious one
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15:35:01  <mihok>if your doing something memory sensitive, and including deps that solve a problem but could have just as easily been solved via a single variable
15:35:03  <phpnode>so tasty
15:35:05  <chiper>I try to limit dependencies when I'm writing packages for others to use, but in applications I go wild
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15:35:24  <prometh>ljharb: longer install time, longer init, more memory used, longer package.json ... it's just not "better
15:35:32  <mihok>^^^
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15:35:40  <ljharb>the only overhead that matters is cognitive, in the devs mind. memory etc don't really matter most of the time
15:35:41  <prometh>sure it'll work.. but writing crappy code will work too
15:35:43  <chiper>like ljharb said, more dependencies, the less I'm writing myself and the cleaner my code can be... assuming I find packages that work the way I need
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15:36:13  <prometh>often times, dependencies are used when they are not necessary
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15:36:30  <prometh>core modules can accomplish a lot, even with minimal code
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15:36:52  <prometh>sometimes not... but looking for dependencies first is not a solution
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15:36:57  <prometh>not a good one, that is
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15:37:13  <prometh>fs is well tested
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15:37:19  <prometh>you don't always need fs-extra, etc
15:37:22  <ljharb>oh sure
15:37:26  <ljharb>but fs is a dependency
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15:37:32  <prometh>a core one
15:37:35  <ljharb>true
15:37:35  <desperate>hi guys, maybe some could help
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15:37:55  <ljharb>prometh: but you can't know if you need fs-extra until you go looking for it. so i think looking for deps is a pretty important first step
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15:38:03  <ljharb>prometh: ie, seeing if your problem is solved already
15:38:05  <chiper>prometh: those are all very subjective metrics. install time is irrelevant for the vast majority of applications (you're the only one I've heard complain about it). init time is measured in nanoseconds. memory usage would be the same if you had written the modules yourself. who the fuck cares about package.json length?
15:38:07  <Blazedd>http://nodejs.org/api/net.html#net_socket_setnodelay_nodelay Seems to contradict itself. It says it defaults to using Nagle algorithm and setting it to true will result in an immediate send. It then says is defaults to true. Am I abeing dense?
15:38:13  <prometh>ljharb: oh, definitely
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15:38:32  <RAvE2014>when i run npm install on a folder it works perfect, but if i run npm install <folder> it only install some packages. Any idea how? Linux centos 6.5 and npm 1.4.7
15:38:34  <prometh>but first check if it can be accomplished with core deps
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15:38:50  <chiper>well of course you're gonna use what's built in
15:38:58  <prometh>if it's 5 lines of code, does it need a third party dependency
15:39:09  <prometh>if it's 10 lines and only used once
15:39:09  <prometh>etc
15:39:13  <snapwich>i've seen some pretty silly npm libraries that are literally a few lines of code
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15:39:32  <Blazedd>I've found that most are really small
15:39:32  <chiper>RAvE2014: that's because the first argument of install isn't a folder, it's a package name
15:39:35  <prometh>snapwich: students trying to fatten up their npmjs.org profile pages, likely
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15:39:48  <snapwich>3 lines of code, 20 lines of meta data describing my package! :)
15:40:00  <RAvE2014>chiper: it seems to. How i can fix it?
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15:40:14  <chiper>snapwich: https://www.npmjs.org/package/true
15:40:17  <prometh>haha, yeah.. there's a lot of pretentiousness out there
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15:40:36  <snapwich>lol
15:40:48  <prometh>chiper: awesome
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15:40:59  <prometh>it has a CLI
15:41:00  <prometh>lol
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15:41:14  <chenghiz>function aJavaScriptPortOfTheUnixUtilityTrueReturnsTheBooleanValueTrue ()
15:41:15  <chenghiz>ahaha
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15:41:52  <prometh>nice :)
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15:41:55  <chiper>RAvE2014: It doesn't look like there's a way to change what npm sees as the current working directory. you could try asking in #npm
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