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00:00:43  <jaawerth>Sleepy_Coder: yeah, transducers basically make libraries like lodash and underscore unnecessary
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00:01:14  <jaawerth>plus it obscures less implementation details from you, can be lighter (transducers-js is kinda big but transducers.js is pretty small) and doesn't have potentially-iffy optimizations
00:01:38  <jaawerth>works well with the style of "small, specific modules over large utility kits"
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00:03:00  <jaawerth>if you like streams and you like utility belts, highland.js is basically lodash for streams. I'm trying to move away from utility belts, though..
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00:04:02  <jaawerth>(lodash you've probably run into, but it's underscore, but better written, more cross-browser, and optimized)
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00:05:14  <Sorella>Sleepy_Coder: well, people haven't been vehemently OOP'ing it up either :P
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00:05:31  <Sorella>prometh: each function has its own package
00:05:44  <prometh>Sorella: it does? i looked into it in the past and that was not the case
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00:05:57  <Sleepy_Coder>Sorella: I "grew up" around a lot of C++ coders :3 "Home life" is less functional :p
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00:06:05  <Sorella>It's a not-so-recent change
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00:06:11  <prometh>https://www.npmjs.com/package/lodash dependencies:none
00:06:40  <Sleepy_Coder>each function is a module is a little ridiculous...
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00:07:05  <jaawerth>it's a popular approach
00:07:16  <jaawerth>makes testing and refactoring a cinch
00:07:27  <prometh>ah, here we go: https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/lodash-modularized
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00:07:40  <prometh>Sleepy_Coder: not ridiculous at all.. you import only what you need
00:07:43  <jaawerth>still doesn't help the fact that lodash's arguments are backwards though
00:07:44  <prometh>not the whole toolbox
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00:07:53  <jaawerth>(as was poionted out to me by.. someone a while back)
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00:08:14  <Sleepy_Coder>I was mostly thinking about memory concerns - like, if you have all the functions in one file and you require() them they live in memory for the amount of time between require and when you unreference them to get them collected. For most things this is probably okay, but I could see a few instances where if you're running a standalone app you wouldn't want to load in many unnecessary functions (into
00:08:14  <Sleepy_Coder> and out of memory)
00:08:28  <Sorella>It's actually ridiculous if you break them in a way that doesn't make sense if you were to logically group them.
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00:08:37  <prometh>Sleepy_Coder: lazy load
00:08:38  <Sorella>Not all functions are standalone
00:08:54  <Sleepy_Coder>If it's really a concern you might as well just track what you reference in your application and use some preprocessor to strip what you don't use from a pre-require()'d file
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00:09:03  <Sorella>Loading objects in memory isn't that concerning
00:09:06  <jaawerth>Sleepy_Coder: well, the memory concerns are more of an issue if you're using browserify or another bundler to get them into a browser. big library = bigger download size, which is not great if you only want particular methods
00:09:19  <Sorella>v8 does great with lots of objects in the heap
00:09:20  <Sleepy_Coder>hmm.
00:09:21  <prometh>Sleepy_Coder: yeah, load the packages as you need them... if memory is that much of a concern
00:09:27  <Sorella>(Even though v8's GC isn't that good)
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00:09:44  <Sleepy_Coder>I have an unrelated topic: I wish I could Object.observe() a weakmap or weakset
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00:10:03  <Sleepy_Coder>So I could register finalizers/destructors for when objects are unreferenced.
00:10:04  <prometh>Sleepy_Coder: use immutable data, then
00:10:11  <Sleepy_Coder>Problem is this doesn't work :p
00:10:18  <Sorella>Sleepy_Coder: awful :)
00:10:21  <jaawerth>if it's weak it can't really be immutable, can it?
00:10:22  <Sorella>Both of those ideas
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00:11:04  <Sleepy_Coder>WeakMap/Set hide their references so you can't observe the dumby object it gives you when you create it :(
00:11:06  <Sorella>I actually wonder if v8's WeakMap implementation scales well to billions of entries.
00:11:18  <Sorella>My entire language's runtime depends on that :x
00:11:25  <jaawerth>lol
00:11:29  <jaawerth>you should probably check then
00:11:47  <Sleepy_Coder>In Lua if you want to have a finalizer on when something gets collected you setmetatable(that_object, { __gc = your_finalizing_function })
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00:11:53  <Sorella>I'll write some benchmarks against Ruby 1.8. If it's slower, I'll try optimising it up
00:11:57  <Sleepy_Coder>I had tried to recreate that behavior in node with observe + weak*
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00:12:11  <prometh>Sorella: js against ruby? ruby will surely lose
00:12:38  <jaawerth>prometh: WeakMaps may not be all that well-optimized yet in v8
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00:13:11  <prometh>http://jsperf.com/to-weakmap-or-not-to-weakmap/4
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00:13:40  <prometh>http://jsperf.com/property-access-object-array-map-weakmap
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00:15:09  <Sorella>prometh: it's not really JS. It's compiled to this monstruosity here: https://gist.github.com/robotlolita/f82ef83d4a044d7a93eb#file-100doors-js
00:15:45  <Sorella>(And going to be uglier once I add some optimisation passes to the compiler)
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00:16:38  <Sorella>Basically, it has to use weakmaps because message resolution is lexically scoped =/
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00:24:50  <jaawerth>Sorella: yeah, I've only used WeakMaps for scoping tricks so far (and maybe a little memoization here, a little faking private variables there...)
00:24:59  <jaawerth>not used 'em a ton
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00:26:47  <Sorella>Right now everything is pretty much unoptimised, so weakmaps are the least of my problems :P Once I add the soft typing layer and ICs, it's probably going to start hurting for megamorphic methods, but we'll see...
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00:27:24  <jaawerth>this is Purr?
00:27:27  <jaawerth>or one of the other ones?
00:27:31  <Sorella>Mermaid.
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00:27:37  <jaawerth>ahaa
00:27:46  <jaawerth>oh yeah I think you mentioned that one is super slow right now
00:27:49  <Sorella>I want to finish it by the end of June, so I can use it to teach introductory courses to programming :3
00:28:11  <jaawerth>are you a teacher/in academia?
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00:28:37  <Sorella>Nope. Just a regular software engineer.
00:28:46  <jaawerth>hehe, with aspirations of teaching courses
00:28:52  <Sorella>(Being a teacher/in academia would probably be interesting though)
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01:19:43  <lswart>does anyone know if there is an npm module or javascript library that I can use to parse my html input form body into a json object with inner objects? I have an example of my form here: http://codepad.org/h7E1x1nC
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01:20:29  <lswart>I've been looking at the npm module `body`, but I don't know what I am missing...
01:20:37  <Seventoes>lswart: are you using express?
01:20:51  <lswart>No, I am using `routes-router`
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01:20:53  <zumba_ad_>is this a good one folks? https://www.npmjs.com/package/serialport2
01:21:18  <zumba_ad_>i want to use nodejs to connect to my home automation system via serial
01:21:45  <zumba_ad_>then I'll setup serial module and express module and make a rest api so I can control my home automation
01:22:39  <zumba_ad_>does a raspberry pi have a serial port?
01:23:00  <Seventoes>lswart: routes-router is deprecated
01:23:07  <zumba_ad_>but first, can we run NodeJS on raspberry pi? Do you have other suggestion?
01:23:08  <Seventoes>there's a big warning on the repo
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01:28:29  <dodobrain>Seventoes, 30 downloads in the last day! surprising that it is still being used
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01:29:22  <MacWinner>i know this is a matter of preference, but looking for suggestions on a html templateing engine.. planning on trying swing and jade.. another other suggestions or strong opinions on one? just looking for something extremely simple and intuitive for a relative beginner to use.
01:29:50  <MacWinner>also i'm using koajs if that has any bearing
01:29:59  <Seventoes>MacWinner: i like jade personally
01:30:14  <dodobrain>mac-mini, handlebars if you want to give it a try
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01:30:39  <MacWinner>cool, i'll add that to the list
01:30:51  <MacWinner>does handlebars interfere with angularjs by default?
01:30:58  <MacWinner>it's syntax i mean..
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01:33:48  <dodobrain>MacWinner, no idea.. i haven't used angular
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01:44:01  <lswart>Seventoes: I listed our old router; we are no longer using `routes-router`, but using `match-routes`
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01:45:32  <Seventoes>yeah you'll have to find a framework agnostic body parser then
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01:45:42  <Seventoes>if you're already using one you should explain the problems you're having
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01:53:16  <lswart>Seventoes: I'm using the npm module `body`, specifically `formBody` within that module. It works for my typical body parsing needs, but when I try to parse my request body, I get something like this: http://codepad.org/TvZt5fRY
01:53:57  <lswart>but I want to parse the body to have the form like this: `{ login: {}, value: {} }`
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01:54:23  <deltab>that's php-style
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01:56:04  <lswart>deltab: Is there something wrong with my approach? Can you explain? I was going for a "smart client, dumb server" approach by having the client's request deliver a body that is more easily saved as an account on the server
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01:57:20  <deltab>lswart: you need something that understands that format, such as https://www.npmjs.com/package/qs
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01:57:41  <Seventoes>lswart: yeah, that's all up to your bodyparser.
01:57:50  <Seventoes>pretty sure that's exactly what i told you when you asked this earlier :x
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02:01:12  <lswart>Seventoes: Yes, but I was looking for help about how to get my bodyparser to properly parse my string. deltab's suggestion to pass a querystring into my bodyparser seems like the right approach.
02:01:20  <lswart>Thanks for all the help :-)
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02:06:26  <beaky>hello
02:06:32  <beaky>how do i implement acl in node
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02:11:53  <jaawerth>beaky: what do you mean? depends on what you're trying to put ACLs on. You pretty much just write a container for possible permissions (an Object, or a Map, or something), a list of rules (users, groups, etc - whatever you need), a map of roles-->permissions for each of your "things" on which you want to set ACLs, and pick a storage medium
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02:16:03  <beaky>btw how do i profile nodejs apps? my stuff is very slow
02:16:28  <Seventoes>node-inspector, or just manually time things you think might be slow
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02:17:38  <felixjet>is const foo = require('foo').bar; equivalent to import { bar as foo } from 'foo'; ?
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02:22:12  <beaky>hmm node-inspector doesnt seem to suport profiling yet :(
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02:23:15  <Seventoes>wut
02:24:02  <beaky>Profiler is not implemented yet. Have a look at node-webkit-agent in the meantime.
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02:33:44  <woah>hey, does the 'scripts' field in the package.json go up one level to look for modules if there is no node_modules in the current folder?
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02:40:54  <imZEH>hello . i need help to handle FTP in nodejs as API . what do i need ?
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02:41:11  <Seventoes>imZEH: don't use FTP
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02:41:36  <Seventoes>i mean FTP is insecure and you shouldn't be using it anywhere
02:42:10  <imZEH>Seventoes: but my app needs an FTP.
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02:42:50  <Seventoes>why?
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02:43:15  <GreenJello>imZEH, what have you tried?
02:43:26  <imZEH>Seventoes: i have a End user that download a certain file on what he/she desire.
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02:43:32  <Seventoes>use SFTP
02:43:35  <Seventoes>it's better in every situation
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02:44:29  <imZEH>Seventoes: is this good ? https://www.npmjs.com/package/ftps
02:44:44  <Seventoes>that's a client
02:44:45  <Seventoes>not a server
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02:45:12  <Seventoes>or is that what you want?
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02:45:24  <Seventoes>are you trying to download a file inyour node app? or is the user going to download a file frmo your node app?
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02:45:28  <mscdex>ssh2 does sftp client and server ;-)
02:45:40  <imZEH>nope . i want on server side .
02:45:57  <Seventoes>sounds like ssh2 is what you want then
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02:46:38  <imZEH>hmmm. ok. thanks everyone (Y) .
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02:47:36  <imZEH>Seventoes: user are going to download a file from my app .
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02:48:49  <imZEH>Seventoes: what is the flow on that ? does the user need to install like filezilla or something . or just send to her/his email the link .
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02:49:40  <Seventoes>i mean
02:49:45  <Seventoes>it depends on how you want to deliver the file
02:49:52  <Seventoes>if you just want to email them a link that'd be fine
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02:50:03  <imZEH>ok thank you Seventoes :)
02:50:05  <Seventoes>it'd just be a link to a file on your server
02:50:11  <Seventoes>that'd be worlds simpler than using SFTP
02:50:12  <GreenJello>you don't need ftp to allow downloads
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02:50:48  <GreenJello>http/https is much simpler, and sftp if you need to push files to some other server
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02:54:26  <Razerglass>how would i wait for after a for loop to complete without using a timer?
02:54:29  <sgronblo>What options do I have for adding timestamps to console.error messages?
02:54:32  <imZEH>GreenJello: Seventoes mscdex thank you
02:54:35  <Razerglass>is there a way to do a for loop inside of a callback?
02:54:36  <Seventoes>Razerglass: eventemitter
02:54:43  <Seventoes>er wait
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02:54:53  <Seventoes>you should post a code sample i think
02:55:12  <Seventoes>sgronblo: console.log(new Date() + "your message")
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02:56:39  <mscdex>sgronblo: you can write a simple wrapper for `console.error()`, that's typically what i do
02:58:13  <Razerglass><Seventoes> http://pastebin.com/UP1qeHQR
02:58:25  <Seventoes>Razerglass: that'll work fine.
02:58:28  <Razerglass>this function grabs some data, and i have a for loop to format it
02:58:36  <Razerglass>but AFTER the for loop is done i need something to happen
02:58:42  <Seventoes>so just do something after the for loop then?
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02:58:56  <Razerglass>yeah but it will execute before the for loop is done
02:59:00  <Seventoes>no it won't
02:59:03  <Seventoes>for loops aren't asyncronous
02:59:23  <Seventoes>unless you're doing something asyncronous inside the for loop, which you aren't
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03:00:26  <Razerglass>whaaaat. haah thanks seventoes
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03:00:32  <Seventoes>:P
03:00:35  <Razerglass>i swear before it was executing before the loop was done
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03:00:46  <Razerglass>something dumb im sure miss the little things
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03:00:54  <Seventoes>you probably had it outside of the callback
03:01:15  <Razerglass>thanksthough! gotit
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03:31:25  <Assassin>Hi, Anyone here ?
03:31:59  <Seventoes>don't ask to ask, just ask ;)
03:32:13  <Assassin>Ask ask ask ? :D
03:32:17  <Seventoes>:D
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03:32:40  <Assassin>Hey Seventoes, do you use node in production ?
03:32:52  <Seventoes>yup
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03:33:14  <Assassin>How do you manage your configurations ?
03:33:21  <Assassin>Env variables ?
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03:34:00  <Seventoes>yup
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03:34:17  <Assassin>How do you set it ?
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03:34:35  <Assassin>I am kind of new to node in production :D
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03:35:01  <Seventoes>with your startup script
03:35:06  <Seventoes>or your process manager
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03:35:16  <Assassin>I am using forever
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03:36:05  <Assassin>So do i need a shell script which sets the env variables then run 'forever' command ?
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03:38:12  <Seventoes>or see if forever has a way to supply environemnt variables
03:38:31  <Assassin>which startup script / process manager you use ?
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03:43:29  <Seventoes>a script
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03:44:38  <Assassin>Bash script ?
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03:49:05  <Assassin>Thanks a lot Seventoes
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03:53:55  <Assassin>I am going to try a combination of bash script and forever.
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03:54:59  <Seventoes>first check to see if forever supports a way to load in environment variables
03:55:02  <Seventoes>that'd be much cleaner
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03:55:49  <tejasmanohar>sorry i forgot the /
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03:55:58  <Seventoes>you can't tell me what to do! :P
03:56:12  <Assassin>It's only via command line. But multiple args get's messy that way rright ?
03:56:20  <tejasmanohar>Seventoes: :P
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05:10:16  <raj_>any express junkies here?
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05:10:50  <raj_>i have a quick question ... my express api server is not responding. how to debug it? is peppering it with console.log the only sane way?
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05:17:29  <fooey>there are debuggers you can hook up if you really want
05:17:36  <fooey>logs are my go to though
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05:23:14  <raj_>i am using webstorm and have gotten familiar with its debugger, as well as node-debug
05:23:24  <raj_>however, how to you debug a route?
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05:23:51  <raj_>the route loads correctly
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05:24:02  <raj_>but doesn't respond
05:24:36  <raj_> router.route('/loc')
05:24:36  <raj_> .get(function(req, res, next){
05:24:36  <raj_> Locations.find({}, 'shortName longName',
05:24:38  <raj_> ok(next, function(results){
05:24:40  <raj_> res.send(results)
05:24:40  <dodobrain>raj_, ummm.. and you have mounted it correctly?
05:24:42  <raj_> }))
05:24:44  <raj_> })
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05:27:00  <raj_>hmm, i may be messing up my mongo access
05:27:24  <raj_>another route that loads lookup values from a json file on server is working
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05:30:30  <boingolov>speaking of debuggers, I have yet to see a good use case for one in an aync environment
05:30:36  <boingolov>but I haven't played with node's debugger
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05:31:19  <konobi>raj_: please use a gist or a paste service.
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05:32:47  <raj_>@konobi : thanks
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05:46:16  <raj_>so here's my Schema def for the /loc route http://pastie.org/10201597
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06:05:01  <mscdex>anyone know the name of that online service that's a jenkins like thing but for Windows only?
06:05:06  <mscdex>it was free
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06:05:57  <mscdex>nvm found it... appveyor
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06:51:43  <himanshu_>what is the difference between nodejs and node.js? I installed apt-get install nodejs and apt-get install node.js
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06:55:45  <himanshu_>I m new to debian as well as node
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06:57:26  <j3n>i think the correct one is apt-get install nodejs
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06:58:05  <ljharb>himanshu_: don't use apt to install node.
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06:58:20  <ljharb>the answer is that "node" on apt is a ham radio program, so they had to rename to nodejs there
06:58:26  <ljharb>but, apt is one of the worst ways to install node.
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06:59:37  <HardeL>Why is that, I am a rh fan, I always use yum? Why should apt be so bad
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07:00:34  <ljharb>in general, installing software via a non-official distribution channel is a poor idea imo.
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07:00:51  <ljharb>but also i think the apt recipe/formula/whatever for node specifically does a bunch of weird things
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07:00:57  <himanshu_>ljharb:I am about to create my first Node.js app..how shall I proceed?
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07:01:16  <himanshu_>I should purge both node.js and nodejs that I installed using apt first..
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07:01:44  <ljharb>himanshu_: imo, you should install node from source, or with something like http://nvm.sh (disclosure, i maintain nvm)
07:01:53  <ljharb>alternatives are nave and n
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07:02:46  <HardeL>I do know n
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07:03:02  <himanshu_>they say #debian wont support installations not done via apt
07:03:11  <ljharb>basically, nvm is for per-user/per-shell node versions, nave is for per-user/per-subshell node versions, and n is for a single systemwide node version.
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07:03:19  <HardeL>n is less bad, but I do install node and npm from package manager, then update nodejs using n
07:03:28  <ljharb>so, n mirrors a standard node install most closely, but if you switch often, and don't want to use sudo, nvm is great
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07:27:23  <Dallas>Hello, I'm trying to modify a json file yet I keep getting undefined when I try to access a grandchild array. Here is my source: http://paste.ee/p/7DJKy and http://paste.ee/p/SX49B Any help would be much appreciated :)
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07:28:09  <ljharb>Dallas: make a jsfiddle?
07:28:20  <ljharb>`controller` is probably an array, not the object itself.
07:28:27  <ljharb>since .filter is an array method that returns an array.
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07:29:19  <p15>you want like underscore _findwhere or something
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07:29:41  <ljharb>or the built-in Array#find.
07:29:43  <Dallas>omfg...fixed it...lol I was using the whole array instead of selection[0]
07:29:56  <ljharb>Dallas: yep. altho you generally want to avoid using [0]
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07:30:49  <Dallas>is there a .first?
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07:31:13  <ljharb>no
07:31:21  <ljharb>what i mean is, it's a code smell to be indexing into an array.
07:31:38  <ljharb>an array is a list, either operate on it as a whole, or use "find" to pull out the first matching item
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07:46:27  <p15>ljharb how do you like to get the first element of an array
07:47:40  <ljharb>p15: when do you think you need to get that?
07:47:58  <p15>just in some arbitrary situation
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07:48:28  <ljharb>p15: i can't think of any situation where i'd just need the first element
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07:48:38  <greves>blah, bookshelf was working fine two days ago and now its not, but i'm not sure what i did.
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07:48:54  <ljharb>p15: altho arr.find(Boolean) works in a pinch
07:49:02  <p15>ok
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07:49:27  <greves>and now it works again after npm install bookshelf. weird.
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07:58:24  <Mentioum>Hey guys, I'm having some trouble making an https request using the default https module. For some reason even though I'm passing a 'https://....' path to https.get(url, function(){}) the actual request being made with 'http://' and therefore is rejected by the API endpoint. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. If I use JQuery's get etc then there are no issues.
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08:00:30  <Mentioum>I'm using the following npm module -> https://github.com/claudiowilson/LeagueJS/blob/master/lib/lolapi.js and calling the League.Summoner.getByName on line 63.
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08:01:50  <Rantanen>ljharb: Your array is a queue and you want to peek on the first element to see whether you can process that.
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08:02:06  <stanford_drone>Does anyone know C/C++, Computer Vision/Image Processing, Machine Learning, AI, linux systems programming, or electronics? I'm looking for a programmer to join my Startup. We're going to China (manufacturing is there) from July to November. We're a team of 4. We're building a flying computer. A drone that you can play games with and install apps on.
08:02:07  <Rantanen>Or whether you need to wait for the processing queue to clear before you can operate on it.
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08:02:30  <ljharb>Rantanen: that's a pretty primitive queue.
08:02:43  <Rantanen>Huh?
08:02:44  <ljharb>Rantanen: a better queue has a callback function that's called when it's ready, not before.
08:02:55  <ljharb>"needing to peek" is polling.
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08:04:07  <Rantanen>Say you are sending Protobuf messages over UDP. Your protocol allows combining different protobuf messages in one datagram as long as the whole size of the datagram won't exceed 1024 bytes.
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08:05:13  <Rantanen>All of your protobuf messages get queued up in an array until a third party tells your application that "Now we are ready to accept stuff. Our datagram header is N bytes so you got X free bytes to use. Give us what you can"
08:05:24  <inimino>[0]
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08:06:13  <ljharb>lots of ways. .shift() until it's too big, then .unshift it back
08:06:18  <ljharb>you don't need indexing.
08:06:31  <inimino>sometimes you have an API that returns an array but you know it will only have one element
08:06:38  <Rantanen>So you'll do while( nowWritten + queue[0].length < maxWritten ) { var b = queue.shift(); b.copy( out, nowWritten ); nowWritten += b.length; }
08:06:49  <Rantanen>I'd prefer [0] vs shift+unshift personally.
08:06:49  <inimino>well, you don't *need* it but why not use it if it's what you mean?
08:07:41  <Rantanen>[1], [2], [3], etc. I agree is a codesmell or a mark of using arrays when you should be really using objects, but [0] has valid use cases.
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08:11:28  <Mentioum>Anyone have any idea why this is happening to me? Do I need to set some global variables or something?
08:11:36  <Mentioum>global*
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08:19:42  <greves>anyone here familiar with restify? i get a huge long error when i try to use restify in a project, basically that it cannot find any dependencies
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08:20:01  <greves>Module not found: Error: Cannot resolve module '...'
08:20:04  <greves>there's a ton of them
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08:22:08  <greves>https://bpaste.net/show/c2614893c43e
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08:24:02  <Rantanen>greves: What's the command you're running that returns that error?
08:24:17  <greves>Rantanen, webpack
08:24:35  <Rantanen>That bundles it for the browser, no?
08:24:38  <Rantanen>Does restify support browser environments?
08:24:54  <Rantanen>I see it's searching for stuff like 'fs' which is the filesystem API. Doubt that works in browsers? :)
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08:25:08  <greves>Rantanen, well, it comes with an API client that's presumably for browser-side
08:25:23  <timini>Hey whats the standard way to listen for an error when using promises?
08:25:33  <greves>http://mcavage.me/node-restify/#client-api
08:25:36  <timini>.on('error' function(err) ??
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08:25:49  <timini>or .error(function(err){})
08:26:03  <Rantanen>timini: .catch?
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08:26:48  <Rantanen>Promise.resolve(null).then( value => {..}).catch( err => {..})
08:27:52  <Rantanen>greves: I think even that is meant for node?
08:28:10  <Rantanen>greves: I mean.. there are several use cases for calling REST services from server processes.
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08:28:30  <greves>oh, yeah i guess that makes sense
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08:28:45  <greves>alright, well then i need another client. any suggestions? i was using restful.js before but not really happy with it
08:29:21  <Rantanen>Heh
08:29:38  <Rantanen>I was just checking what I'm using... jquery. :)
08:29:44  <greves>bleeegh
08:29:51  <greves>yeah i'm not going down that road
08:29:55  <Rantanen>I think I've got some jquery-free projects somewhere but can't remember what I used there.
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08:30:19  <Rantanen>Yeah. I wouldn't recommend that for just REST clients.
08:30:37  <greves>what i really want to use is Restangular
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08:30:39  <Rantanen>I don't even like the REST APIs in jquery. There are better alternatives. :p
08:30:43  <greves>but, i'm not making an angular app right now
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08:33:15  <Mentioum>FYI is anyone was having the issue I was having - It was because when using gulp-connect I wasn't passing the 'https: true' option to run my local server with https. Now theres just all the Cross Origin stuff to solve.
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09:19:24  <himanshu_>Im not able to send messages on #mongodb
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09:20:46  <himanshu_>how to register on chanserv
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10:55:43  <PEG>Hi, I've installed adapt with node.js as default port 5000, how could I change this to be run on port 80?
10:56:00  <PEG>I'm running it on Ubuntu
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11:08:49  <PEG>adapt learning, I found the /config/config.json it was there plain and simple.. didn't even had to reboot the service. ^_^
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11:31:39  <step1ste_>anyone exp with this plugin? https://github.com/yeoman/update-notifier#comprehensive-example
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11:41:00  <step1ste_>http://kopy.io/QOg0s Result: undefined [Function]
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11:41:15  <RLa>this looks interesting: https://mariadb.com/kb/en/mariadb/dynamic-columns/
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11:41:30  <RLa>and you can nest them!
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11:42:59  <RLa>schemaless (sort-of) sql
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11:45:46  <beaky>hello
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11:46:11  <beaky>when will iojs and nodejs become one
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11:47:18  <RLa>i'm not sure why everyone wants it
11:47:46  <RLa>i do not see exactly how it benefits iojs
11:48:20  <beaky>it benefits the comunity
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11:48:56  <RLa>really?
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11:49:30  <beaky>yes having nodejs and iojs is like having two different countries with the same peoples
11:49:33  <RLa>i only see it benefits node as it gets contributors back
11:49:36  <beaky>with one nodejs we are all united in harmony
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11:49:54  <RLa>lol, like the "harmony" we had before split?
11:49:56  <beaky>like united states of america
11:50:19  <beaky>idk what was it like before the fork?
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11:50:58  <RLa>the state before fork was exactly what led to fork
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11:51:56  <RLa>i'm not sure exactly how "management" starts working after join but i can see it a bit as a chance to kill iojs
11:52:09  <RLa>so i'm all pessimistic
11:52:21  <beaky>wasnt it decided the iojs ppl will take over the official node post merge
11:52:38  <RLa>if that happens it's good
11:53:08  <beaky>https://github.com/nodejs/io.js/issues/978
11:53:49  <RLa>already read that
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11:55:39  <joepie91>RLa: there is to be a merge back, more or less on io.js' terms
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11:57:55  <Jahm_>How do I write JSON format using Fs.writeFile?
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11:58:20  <RLa>Jahm_, use JSON.stringify before writing
11:58:40  <RLa>and set output encoding utf8
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11:59:48  <Jahm_>Fs.writeFile(Directory, JSON.stringify(object), 'utf-8', function (error) {}
12:00:02  <Jahm_>I have that, but it's not in JSON format
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12:00:42  <Jahm_>It is `{key:value}, {key:value}` but not [{key:value},{key:value}]
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12:01:09  <RLa>really?
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12:01:29  <Jahm_>Yep
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12:02:06  <RLa>paste whole code somewhere
12:02:17  <Jahm_>For awhile
12:02:19  <RLa>and it should be utf8
12:02:24  <RLa>not utf-8
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12:03:05  <step1ste_>joepie91: do you know what im doing wrong? https://gist.github.com/step1step2/49262b121bb5fb0f141e im getting undefined [Function]
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12:03:22  <RLa>btw, you can use JSON.stringify(object, null, 2) to get formatted output
12:03:39  <joepie91>RLa: doesn't util.inspect give you nicer colorization?
12:03:50  <joepie91>step1ste_: will look later, finishing some work first
12:03:51  <joepie91>:p
12:03:52  <RLa>step1ste_, that code does not even look syntactically correct
12:04:06  <RLa>joepie91, he writes to file
12:04:24  <RLa>i really hate color codes in files
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12:04:38  <RLa>got enough of that in app logs
12:04:57  <RLa>it's interesting that cat file_with_color_codes does not show colors tho
12:05:01  <step1ste_>RLa: what do you mean?
12:05:16  <RLa>step1ste_, line 11
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12:05:39  <Jahm_>RLa: http://pastebin.com/J2m5v8gm
12:05:55  <step1ste_>ok whats wrong there?
12:06:01  <RLa>step1ste_, and afaik, console.log does not take callback
12:06:11  <RLa>on line 15
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12:06:46  <Jahm_>step1ste_: it outputs `{key:value}, {key:value}` but not `[{key:value}, {key:value}]
12:07:01  <RLa>Jahm_, why do you name file a directory?
12:07:10  <Jahm_>Oh sorry step1ste_, I thought you were talking to me
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12:07:37  <RLa>and what the heck is this: Fs.appendFile(Directory, ',' + JSON.stringify(object)
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12:07:48  <step1ste_>hmmm
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12:07:57  <Jahm_>RLa: it's just a variable. Somewhere in my code, it's a file name
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12:08:19  <RLa>step1ste_, do you know javascript at all or work on code you get from somewhere else?
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12:08:28  <step1ste_>when i use err callback in console log i get [Function]
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12:08:49  <Jahm_>RLa: So, every time I append something, the output will always be `{key:value} {key:value}` which is nowhere near being a JSON file
12:08:56  <RLa>Jahm_, i think that append call gets you that weird file contents
12:09:02  <RLa>Jahm_, of course
12:09:07  <RLa>what do you expect
12:09:23  <RLa>it appends strings/bytes and does not care about JSON
12:09:32  <Jahm_>So I added `',' + JSON.stringify(object)` to output something like `{key:value},{key:value}`
12:10:07  <joepie91>Jahm_: are you trying to do delimited JSON objects?
12:10:26  <RLa>it's like when you burn your hand in fire and complain that doing so hurts
12:10:39  <Jahm_>Okay
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12:10:48  <Jahm_>joepie91: no
12:11:04  <joepie91>Jahm_: then what *are* you trying to accomplish?
12:11:08  <RLa>Jahm_, if you want something useful with JSON and append, then append single-line JSON strings
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12:11:32  <Jahm_>joepie91: sorry. It's yes.
12:11:34  <RLa>and later when reading the file in, you parse each line separatedly
12:11:46  <joepie91>Jahm_: okay. perhaps this will solve your problem better:
12:11:48  <joepie91>!npm JSONStream
12:11:49  <npmbot>joepie91: JSONStream (1.0.4) - rawStream.pipe(JSONStream.parse()).pipe(streamOfObjects) -> https://npmjs.org/package/JSONStream
12:11:50  <Jahm_>I'm trying to write a json format file using Fs
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12:12:11  <RLa>Jahm_, but you cant write whole file at once?
12:12:13  <Jahm_>Okay, lemme check
12:12:22  <joepie91>Jahm_: also, you should really call it 'fs', not 'Fs'
12:12:26  <Jahm_>RLa: no. sorry
12:12:34  <Jahm_>Okay, got it
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12:12:43  <RLa>step1ste_, console.log is sync, you do not need callback for it
12:13:00  <Jahm_>Thanks joepie91 RLa
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12:15:21  <step1ste_>RLa: ok
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12:16:19  <step1ste_>i still dont understand why it's not working, i mean i did it exactly like in the docs
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12:18:24  <RLa>what is it supposed to do?
12:18:30  <RLa>and paste your latest code too
12:18:47  <step1ste_>https://gist.github.com/step1step2/49262b121bb5fb0f141e
12:19:15  <RLa>and what is it supposed to do?
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12:19:58  <step1ste_>tell me if an update is available
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12:20:22  <RLa>this line looks still wrong: notifier.notify(), function (err) {
12:20:36  <step1ste_>its not wrong
12:20:41  <RLa>maybe supposed to be notifier.notify(function (err) { ?
12:20:52  <step1ste_>its not working in any case
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12:29:44  <joepie91>step1ste_: if something looks wrong,you should fix it, regardless of whether you think it is causing your current issue
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12:29:55  <joepie91>step1ste_: because if it doesn't cause this issue, it'll cause the next one
12:30:16  <joepie91>"that's not the problem" in response to something looking/being wrong, is never the right answer ;)
12:30:41  <step1ste_>yeah true
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12:33:19  <WakiMiko>whats the best way to make a native nodejs addon aware of a function defined in a js module? can i require the module from c++? or should the addon provide a setter, e.g. registerFunction(theFunction) that gets from the JS code
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12:34:54  <WakiMiko>*gets called
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12:35:42  <step1ste_>well this is the first plugin that doesnt seem to work with the default syntax
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12:45:58  <_rgn>good opportunity for you to learn how to debug 3rd party code
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12:46:21  <_rgn>open up the lib under node_modules and see what it's doing
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12:46:31  <_rgn>insert debug logging etc.
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