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00:03:39  <ljharb>"Using Things Incorrectly" isn't a small problem :-)
00:03:45  <ljharb>always best to not do that
00:04:02  <drd>hmm
00:04:20  <drd>so modifying prefix is essentially choosing to install globally into a specific directory
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00:04:57  <ljharb>modifying the prefix might work for npm installs, but the node module resolution algorithm can't be changed
00:05:00  <ljharb>and that's what browserify uses
00:05:03  <drd>yeah
00:05:05  <drd>bummers.
00:05:08  <ljharb>so if node_modules isn't in the proper place, you're in a world of hurt.
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00:05:28  <ljharb>alternatively, you could put a package.json inside lib.
00:05:36  <ljharb>then "lib" is the root wrt any node/npm stuff
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00:05:54  <ljharb>that's really weird (to not have package.json in the root of a repo), but it's one way.
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00:06:43  <nedbat>I'm trying to understand why node tries to chown the .npmrc file, and find out if there are ways to prevent it from doing so
00:06:45  <nedbat>does anyone have any insight into that, or have a pointer to more information?
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00:08:16  <ljharb>npm should be able to modify npm configuration files
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00:09:38  <ljharb>drd: the package.json in lib should have all the dependencies listed. and all your npm commands would need to be run with lib/ as the current working dir
00:09:41  <nedbat>ljharb: this topic has an example: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/openedx-ops/qpsHXs4okHs/discussion
00:09:45  <drd>ahh
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00:09:57  <ljharb>drd: i'm saying basically *move* package.json into lib
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00:10:16  <ljharb>nedbat: right - why can't npm modify that file?
00:10:20  <drd>ah. hmmm
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00:10:34  <ljharb>nedbat: the permissions on an npm config file should be such that npm can modify it at will
00:10:39  <drd>ljharb: thanks! this may help.. or we'll just have to change the silly way we're doing htings
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00:10:57  <nedbat>ljharb: it's something about examining the current process, seeing it's sudo, and trying to use that user?
00:11:10  <nedbat>ljharb: why does it even try to chown the file? Why not just leave it as it is?
00:11:11  <ljharb>i think when npm runs as sudo, it drops the user to "nobody"
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00:11:14  <ljharb>for safety
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00:11:23  <ljharb>nedbat: if it can't edit the file, it can't proceed
00:11:34  <ljharb>nedbat: that's what i assume anyways. there's no reason to ever lock down an npmrc file
00:11:38  <MI6>joyent/node: Jackson Tian v0.12 * 1781c8b : http: Improve _addHeaderLines method - http://git.io/oFYbLA
00:11:50  <ljharb>nedbat: since npm is a development tool, not a production tool
00:11:52  <nedbat>ljharb: is there any way to ask it to not try to do that?
00:12:06  <ljharb>i have no idea, but i'd think it's easier to just fix the file's permissions
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00:12:32  <ljharb>lol, k
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00:19:46  <Mia>Hello channel, I'm new to node.js (coming from js frontend based stuff, no backend information previously) and I now need to setup a droplet on DigitalOcean.
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00:20:05  <Mia>My question is: would it be possible to run ghost and multiple node applications on a single droplet?
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00:20:47  <Mia>If so, what's the logic behind this? Keywords for google search is also more than enough. (I'm not entirely sure where to start looking)
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00:21:07  <sehrope>Mia: If you're adventurous and want to learn a ton of fun stuff check out dokku.
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00:21:36  <sehrope>It'll let you run multiple apps PaaS-style on a server. If you're new to all of this though it might be a lot to take in at once.
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00:22:25  <sehrope>You can also look at PaaS offerings like Heroku. They have a free tier and it's probably the easiest way to get a basic app deployed.
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00:24:10  <Mia>sehrope, thank you very much
00:24:22  <Mia>I have my app running on my pc right now (an irc bot connected to a twitter bot)
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00:24:48  <Mia>I want to deploy it, and I will possibly be running ghost on the same droplet
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00:25:18  <sehrope>Heroku (and running your own PaaS) you'd consider each to be completely separate.
00:25:22  <Mia>playing with ghost for quite some time, I'm happy with it so far, will be converting my main blog from WP to ghost
00:25:39  <Mia>what do yu mean seperate? each on its own droplet?
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00:25:58  <sehrope>As in they will have nothing to do with each other.
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00:26:43  <Mia>sehrope, I'm not sure I understand the concept; do you mean I need seperate droplet for everything I need to run (because I imagivne this can be very expensive for eperimental pipelines like mine)
00:26:44  <sehrope>If you want the two apps to somehow communicate locally you shouldn't rely on that if you're going the PaaS route (or really in general if you ask me)
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00:27:06  <Mia>I don't want two apps to communicate
00:27:12  <sehrope>No not at all ... you can run lots of apps on the same droplet. I have a bunch on a DO droplet myself.
00:27:17  <Mia>they will all be seperate, experimental, apps (mainly bots)
00:27:17  <sehrope>Yeah then you're fine.
00:27:37  <sehrope>Check out Heroku ... it's probably what you want and will be quite a deal easier than setting it up yourself.
00:27:49  <Mia>Let me check -
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00:28:14  <sehrope>gtg
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00:29:05  <raypulver>has anyone used the imap module?
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00:29:46  <raypulver>ive figured out how to search for messages and get the headers from them but i cant see how to actually fetch the content of a given email
00:30:01  <raypulver>only the subject, date, etc
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00:32:58  <mscdex>raypulver: what are you looking for content-wise? text/plain and/or text/html parts, the whole raw email message, or something else?
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00:36:49  <raypulver>i am making a script to auto-confirm craigslist posts via their confirmation email that arrives in your inbox
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00:37:08  <raypulver>the parts i need are text/plain
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00:38:06  <raypulver>do I have to .fetch those parts specifically?
00:38:49  <mscdex>to do that it'll basically consist of two fetches, once to get the message structure and the second to fetch the actual part
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00:39:38  <Loda>hi
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00:40:19  <mscdex>raypulver: there's an example here that you can tweak for your usage: https://github.com/mscdex/node-imap/issues/398#issuecomment-47406538
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00:42:06  <raypulver>thanks, checkin it out now
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00:47:38  <spronk>does anyone have a good guide to using module.exports?
00:47:50  <spronk>like... common patterns, where you would use each type of export, pros/cons etc?
00:48:06  <substack>spronk: the most common pattern is just to export a single function
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00:48:20  <substack>but sometimes it makes sense to export multiple functions or an object
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00:48:45  <spronk>yeah... i've seen a lot of different techniques though and want to get an understanding of why people use them
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00:50:13  <spronk>most common two seem to be single function or module.exports = ObjectName; function ObjectName() {} ObjectName.prototype.method = {};
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00:51:44  <spronk>some seem to do crazy stuff like SEFs
00:51:47  <spronk>like sinon
00:52:09  <ljharb>single functions ftw
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00:52:51  <spronk>then there's like... lodash, which does ;().call(this)
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00:53:39  <spronk>istanbul just exports a plain object
00:53:42  <spronk>so many options
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01:36:26  <ima_Hat>hey all
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01:38:10  <ima_Hat>I have this module and I dont understand why it wont return anything
01:38:11  <ima_Hat>http://hastebin.com/dovafiyadu.js
01:38:12  <zamio>Whats a recommended ORM in node.js for postgres?
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01:39:16  <ima_Hat>zamio: I read about http://bookshelfjs.org/ on HN a while back
01:39:28  <ima_Hat>it looks nice
01:39:28  <zamio>ima_Hat: have your used?
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01:39:40  <ima_Hat>no I'm using mongo
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01:40:35  <gorelative>question: https://gist.github.com/mikedevita/7ed53baf9e388198e03e given the following two files i am trying to be able to call configs via config.database.host... not config.config.database.host
01:40:42  <gorelative>how can I achieve this?
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01:41:06  <kevireillly>ima_Hat: `return res;` on line 56 is likely happening before your async tasks complete. You likely need to add a callback to your export that is called with the result after the tasks complete
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01:41:45  <kevireillly>ima_Hat: and `return res;` on line 23 is returning the result to the anonymous function (callback) passed to .exec
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01:42:19  <kevireillly>ima_Hat: one more, 39 no need to return the output of console.log to the anonymous function of .save
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01:42:49  <ima_Hat>kevireillly: not going to lie I started putting reterns everwhere in a terible attempt to get it to return the value
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01:43:20  <kevireillly>ima_Hat: guess the first question I would have is where are you trying to return a value to? I assumed to the caller of exports.append
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01:43:43  <ima_Hat>kevireillly: yep
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01:44:17  <kevireillly>ima_Hat: excellent, so you probably need to make that exports.append = function(req, user, callback) and conceptually replace `return res;` with `callback(null, res);` reserving the first argument for errors potentially handled by the caller
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01:45:23  <kevireillly>ima_Hat: regarding the error, for instance doing callback('hit no zone name return');
01:45:24  <ima_Hat>kevireillly: as I was going to sleep lastnight I was thinking something allong those lines, thanks for your time
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01:45:43  <kevireillly>ima_Hat: no problem at all, let me know if you have any issues
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01:46:01  <ima_Hat>No zone isnt an error, but I get the gist
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01:46:46  <kevireillly>ima_Hat: oh and just to finish the callback thought, an example caller: var append = require('./append'); append({ /* req */ }, { /* user */ }, function(err, result){});
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01:51:06  <kevireillly>gorelative: drop `config` off `module.exports.config`
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01:58:03  <kevireillly>err `.config`
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02:00:36  <ima_Hat>kevireillly: thanks for the help, it worked like a charm; old code vs new http://hastebin.com/doximoguhu.js
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02:01:59  <kevireillly>ima_Hat: happy to help, glad you got it figured
02:02:17  <ima_Hat>and that was not what I used :P my bad '
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02:03:00  <kevireillly>I was a lil confused but figured you had a handle ;)
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02:03:51  <ima_Hat>I can post the real stuff if you want to see
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02:08:55  <ima_Hat>kevireillly: here you go
02:08:57  <ima_Hat>http://hastebin.com/alikuvacut.js
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02:11:38  <kevireillly>ima_Hat: sweetness. I personally prefer the if (err){ } else { } pattern in this scenario, but same shizzle. I used to do if (err) return console.error(); // but meh
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02:14:03  <ima_Hat>Do you prefer the if{} else{} because of readability or because there is no chance of the second statement from exciting if you forget the return
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02:18:36  <kevireillly>ima_Hat: both yeah, otherwise you end up reading someones 100 line function with some arbitrary case at the top (not necessarily error related) that completely negates everything you just finished mentally parsing ;)
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02:19:35  <kevireillly>probably just my fault and a reflection on recent fun without breakpoints and stuff.. i think i'd rather eat rocks than work on what i'm working on
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02:21:40  <kevireillly>but then again, I love me some rocks
02:21:40  <ima_Hat>kevireillly: I might just follow your example.
02:21:40  <ima_Hat>hahah, are you parsing PHP
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02:22:22  <kevireillly>ima_Hat: negatory, I might actually prefer that at this point ;)
02:22:39  <ima_Hat>kevireillly: DAMN!
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02:24:02  <kevireillly>I know it is time to go home when something (I'm assuming it is a grunt task) is somehow deciding to replace a `function` definition with `functi1on`
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02:25:04  <CaffeineAddict>now that sounds like an epic bug
02:25:13  <CaffeineAddict>... or a coworker that hates you
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02:26:51  <kevireillly>haha that would be a pretty funny prank, I'd actually appreciate that
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02:27:33  <mmalecki>kevireillly: grep the code for 'functi1on', hope that leaves you somewhere meaningful :P ?
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02:29:30  <kevireillly>mmalecki: yeah seems to only be in the resulting file.. i suspect magic, surely its my fault somewhere somehow
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02:32:59  <kevireillly>otays, I'm out this beast... <3 you all
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02:34:31  <mmalecki>night kevireillly
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02:36:34  <ima_Hat>night kevireillly
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02:45:31  <Phrogz>Never used Node before, trying to help fix a module. How can I 'build' https://github.com/Phrogz/svg-path-parser ?
02:45:44  <Phrogz>(I'm hoping the original author is following a well-accepted pattern.)
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02:48:20  <Phrogz>And then install it so that I can require() it inside node for testing?
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02:49:06  <ogd>Phrogz: usually it's just `npm install` in the directory
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02:49:40  <ogd>Phrogz: also looks like you can do this command to 'build' it https://github.com/hughsk/svg-path-parser/blob/master/package.json#L7
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02:49:58  <Sorella>ima_Hat, parsing PHP is not that bad, actually. There are worse languages out there (cofcofRubycofcof)
02:50:06  <Phrogz>ogd: That looks like the magic I needed, thanks!
02:50:19  <katlogic>Phrogz: you can also boycott the whole build stuff and just require("./svg-path-parser")
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02:50:46  <katlogic>everyone obsessed with grun/bower for every silly thing gets tiresome fast when making minute changes to 20 bitrotten modules to make things fall in place again.
02:50:51  <Phrogz>katlogic: I can't in this case, bc the author compiles a PEG grammar from the source to a .js, and it is that which is needed for the install.
02:51:04  <ima_Hat>I have used ruby and PHP and I would prefer to eat razor blades than use PHP again
02:51:07  <Phrogz>But perhaps I can do that after I do the build command.
02:51:27  <ima_Hat>but I think I may have started a war
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02:52:06  <katlogic>ima_Hat: i dont really get why people get zealous over this shit
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02:52:26  <katlogic>i mean php/ruby/python/node all have its place.
02:52:38  <Sorella>ima_Hat, oh, I'm not talking about the language semantics, just how awful is to parse one or the other. Ruby is much more awful to parse. Though then Pi is also pretty bad to parse. As is Wyvern, since there you need to have the type checker/parser/evaluator talking between each other during parsing itself.
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02:52:50  <katlogic>its a fucking chore to do basic CRUD with literally 2 post fields using megaframework in node when it can be 20 line php script
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02:52:55  <Sorella>In the case of Ruby you should be a-okay-ish as long as you don't use a tokenizer I guess
02:53:02  <Phrogz>One more question: is there an equivalent to require() that force reloads the file?
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02:53:37  <ima_Hat>ketlogic: I have my own opinion on PHP but I have friends that use it and love it so I get that I'm not the arbiter of good programming languages
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02:54:05  <ima_Hat>Sorella: ohhh my bad
02:54:18  <Sorella>Phrogz, nope. You can bust the cache before doing the require... with `require.cache = {}` I think?
02:54:23  <Phrogz>Sorella: Thanks.
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02:54:37  <Sorella>Though that will bust the ENTIRE require cache, so everything gets reloaded.
02:54:37  <katlogic>ima_Hat: its mostly about the right too for the job. usually using any sort of php framework tends to be waste of time, compared to options offered by python/ruby/js
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02:54:59  <Sorella>PHP itself tends to be a waste of time :)
02:55:01  <katlogic>but vanilla php, ie used as it was originally meant to be used (very basic html templating) is golden
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02:55:21  <katlogic>as it cuts throught the boilerplate and gets straight to the business
02:55:22  <Sorella>Though the workflow in PHP is still better for web apps than the ones in Node/Ruby/Python/etc. Which is what I'm trying to fix with Purr.
02:55:39  <ima_Hat>katlogic: you can make some coll stuff with any language its just that PHP makes me want to blow my brains out
02:56:11  <Sorella>So you'd get the best of Node, with the worthy things of PHP, with the best of Erlang, and with the best of Newspeak/TypedRacket/recent-ish PL research
02:56:34  <katlogic>world hunger
02:56:37  <Sorella>(Once I actually get the time to work on the compiler, that is ;~;)
02:56:42  <ima_Hat>Sorella: do you have a repo?
02:56:50  <ima_Hat>ohh
02:56:52  <katlogic>seriously, i hate web stuff, so i'd like to see some trivial for a change
02:56:59  <katlogic>and i dont mean web.py and its clones (express..)
02:57:07  <Sorella>ima_Hat, https://github.com/robotlolita/purr
02:57:13  <katlogic>those are awesome, but kinda very specific, and usually too much low level.
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02:57:38  <Sorella>Just a prototype compiler for now, while I play around with the semantics. I'll only get time to work on it (and hopefully rewrite the compiler either in Haskell or Purr itself) mid October
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02:58:32  <katlogic>Sorella: > wtf syntax > not bootstrapping
02:58:33  <katlogic>next :)
02:58:35  <Sorella>I also want to work on a Squeak-like IDE for the language, which will require the compiler to be self hosted.
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02:59:08  <overflow>katlogic doing CRUD is always going to be difficult, i have a deep theory on why. i like your quote "gets straight to business", that's what i'm about.
02:59:08  <Sorella>katlogic, well, you can't write the compiler in the language itself before you have a prototype compiler :P
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02:59:17  <katlogic>Also, i think JS squarely wins as the most targeted VM for transpilers (read: source-to-source translator if you feel to be sperging about the term)
02:59:19  <Sorella>And the syntax is inspired by Smalltalk/Haskell.
02:59:23  <overflow>i have a product that is 90% built, getting close to private beta.
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03:00:17  <overflow>katlogic i keep feeling compulsive about "jumping in" and getting my "cool" product out there, but PHP was just about the technology and people earned a lot more money in the freelance and FOSS world because of it.
03:00:26  <ima_Hat>overflow: whats the idea?
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03:00:51  <overflow>ima_Hat it's an IDE in a browser, for the most part.
03:01:12  <katlogic>overflow: wrt web ides, i think you should attend http://notepadconf.com
03:01:20  <katlogic>you're like 10th in row
03:01:33  <overflow>wrt??
03:01:43  <katlogic>with relation to
03:01:43  <ima_Hat>overflow: so its the web based workflow people were wanting on HN a month back
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03:01:52  <overflow>what the heck?
03:02:10  <katlogic>overflow: there are simply too many in that bandwagon.
03:02:12  <overflow>katlogic awessome!
03:02:13  <katlogic>no market hole to fill.
03:02:22  <overflow>katlogic there are ~15 or so cottage industry players
03:02:30  <katlogic>indeed
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03:02:45  <Sorella>Considering that 99.9% of all IDEs suck, and 100% of the web IDEs do, I'd say there are plenty of market holes to fill
03:03:06  <katlogic>i personaly just use codepen as they have catchy name
03:03:06  <ima_Hat>^100X this
03:03:19  <katlogic>my gripe with most of em tho is how clunky they are tho
03:03:22  <Sorella>Like, really, it's 2014 and people think Eclipse or WebStorm are good IDEs
03:03:30  <Sorella>They're not even IDEs =/
03:03:30  <overflow>guys i get load times under 2.5s
03:03:32  <katlogic>perfect web ide would be like, fuck dom, do everything in canvas
03:03:49  <katlogic>so it is actually viable to load 400kb file without crashing the tab
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03:03:54  <overflow>your page complete w IDE will load right now under 2.5s
03:04:11  <ima_Hat>wow nice
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03:04:35  <katlogic>overflow: vs 20ms compared to desktop editor. this is why web ides is waiting for a winner who will do it right :)
03:04:55  <ima_Hat>how is it that githubs text editor was so slow and crashed so often with large files
03:04:56  <overflow>yea like i said, everyone wants to be sexy and it's tough to not "jump in" to it
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03:05:08  <overflow>i have tried -- presented at meetups and w/e.. most ppl don't know how to market
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03:05:18  <katlogic>ima_Hat: it still is horrible
03:05:19  <overflow>"have you put it on github [so it can rot there and die]" is what most say
03:05:22  <katlogic>i think its just stock ACE iirc
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03:05:34  <katlogic>there was this guy writing canvas editor dunno his name
03:05:40  <ima_Hat>katlogic: I havent used it recently
03:05:41  <katlogic>even had moderately successful kickstarter for it
03:05:53  <katlogic>kinda curious if that ever panned out
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03:06:12  <overflow>katlogic mccaw?
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03:06:20  <overflow>there are ~15
03:06:40  <ima_Hat>or get perchased by atlassian
03:06:40  <overflow>webflo, breezi are two others (they suffer from speed problems)
03:06:48  <ima_Hat>they dont have a web IDE
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03:07:22  <katlogic>overflow: naah, i think it was some longer name, fairly unknown person
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03:07:45  <katlogic>also he just kept blogging about it with screenshots, with no github repo, might've been just elaborate scam.
03:07:56  <overflow>that sounds like me ha
03:08:01  <overflow>my kickstarter did horribly.
03:08:08  <overflow>not a canvas editor, though.
03:08:41  <katlogic>overflow: Well, having *fast* stuff would be the most welcome competetive edge.
03:09:00  <overflow>katlogic it stems from browser technology being legitimately complex and the sheer R&D time most ppl don't wanna put in
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03:09:06  <katlogic>As everyone simply slaps ACE on some behemoth in angular or extjs and the whole needs 1gb ram to run.
03:09:11  <overflow>you got it.
03:09:29  <overflow>i'd guess a few of the angular guys probably don't get this stuff as well as i do
03:09:44  <overflow>that's a conservative claim too :P
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03:10:17  <overflow>but yea i mean it's not why i do it i've coded most of my life.
03:10:18  <katlogic>overflow: Well, canvas indeed seems like one of the viable approaches. Reasoning is that DOM updates are simply too slow for things like syntax hilites, especially on higher resolutions.
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03:10:32  <overflow>i really want to see a canvas library for charting bc it can add interaction
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03:10:37  <overflow>interaction w SVG sucks.
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03:10:57  <sector_0>hey guys
03:11:03  <sector_0>quick question
03:11:20  <sector_0>is it wise to access a database from the main loop?
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03:11:30  <katlogic>sector_0: why not? :)
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03:11:37  <katlogic>ACCESS ALL THE DATABASES
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03:11:49  <overflow>katlogic when you say syntax highlights are you referring to a code editor??
03:12:16  <katlogic>overflow: of course, thats what web ides are all about after all. fancy text + diff editor.
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03:12:38  <overflow>adobe is working on one that looks really good
03:12:43  <culthero>access all the databases, but if you can get all the data in one call and iterate over it versus making N requests in a loop, that is usually better
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03:12:48  <sector_0>katlogic, well I'm thinking it might cause the main loop to hang for a short while, and many short whiles is a long while...
03:12:50  <overflow>adobe would really like to enter this space i think
03:13:05  <sector_0>or am I overestimating the time taken to access the database?
03:13:17  <overflow>http://brackets.io/?lang=en
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03:13:49  <katlogic>overflow: brackets, atom ... nah. those are even worse than ACE in terms of speed, though they intend it to be rather feature packed, something like notepad++
03:13:51  <culthero>sector_0, a wonderful way to get a feeling for it is to test it. :)
03:13:55  <overflow>the reason that these libraries don't take off is that they all stem from corporations and everyone knows it
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03:14:21  <overflow>katlogic really i thought brackets looked good
03:14:27  <katlogic>overflow: Just try it out.
03:14:35  <katlogic>Just getting it running is immense chore.
03:14:44  <overflow>katlogic sure will, what i currently do which may interest you is i allow a point and click function to open your code editor
03:14:54  <overflow>you click on the element you want to edit
03:14:58  <overflow>and it opens sublime
03:15:01  <sector_0>culthero, well it'll be slightly difficult to test, since I'd need high traffic
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03:15:16  <sector_0>but I'm asking more from a general standpoint...
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03:15:32  <sector_0>is it generally the norm to do database access from the main thread/
03:15:33  <sector_0>?
03:15:40  <sector_0>s/thread/loop
03:15:44  <katlogic>overflow: I'm fairly positive it wont work here.
03:15:50  <katlogic>overflow: Linux desktop ...
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03:16:17  <katlogic>overflow: Depending on host features is surefire doom way and I'll simply use local workflow if I wanted that ...
03:16:29  <overflow>katlogic i bundle for windows right now.
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03:16:39  <overflow>when i can afford an apple i'll port to osx
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03:16:57  <culthero>sector_0: it's the norm to do database access when you need to. Sometimes inside a loop if the call is expensive or the loop is large you will cause problems, but it really depends on the scenario. However I am curious as to what main loop you're referring to; why not do database calls when an event happens?
03:17:16  <AlexZan>whats the best way to auto run mocha with a watcher, grunt/gulp?
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03:18:06  <katlogic>sector_0: There are really no "forbidden" places to access something, as long you dont abuse per-tick callback in process.* and such, that tends to be way too hacky and fragile
03:18:09  <katlogic>(and undocumented)
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03:19:04  <sector_0>well I thought when the server is called (for a GET request for example) the response gets handled in the main loop
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03:19:26  <katlogic>overflow: Honestly, all I want is to move whole JS workflow to browser window. Dont want to install anything. I'd gladly throw cash for you to host the node instance for me.
03:19:39  <katlogic>overflow: Its a sound business model imo, its just that current market is a joke.
03:19:48  <sector_0>so if I access the database in the response handler isn't it being accessed from the main loop?
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03:19:58  <sector_0>or is my understanding a bit off?
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03:20:10  <katlogic>overflow: Chromebooks are simply vastly underpowered for that, and using it for production is a timewaster....
03:20:43  <culthero>sector_0: if you are writing a restful API, how else are you supposed to know what to return to the client if you don't have the query string or request.body? It's totally acceptable to query and respond, you need only to pass the response object to query callback so it can send out information
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03:21:36  <katlogic>overflow: Somehow I get the impression all the web ides is written by guys who test it only on their i5 macbook pros.
03:21:50  <mmalecki>what katlogic said.
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03:22:11  <mmalecki>I couldn't take my fan spinning while editing files
03:22:35  <culthero>I have the 13" haswell one and it's wonderful, rarely gets hot, I have photoshop / 10 applications open
03:22:45  <overflow>katlogic we sound like we think alike
03:22:56  <culthero>but I didn't pay for it. >_>
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03:23:11  <gorelative>anyone tell me why this line returns undefined? https://gist.github.com/mikedevita/c866d12f0bfd916637d3#file-index-js-L9
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03:23:17  <overflow>what's the commonality we can work along? i'm definitely a huge GUI nut, so linux is out of my comfort zone.. but i'd like more simple business to be achieveable here
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03:23:47  <overflow>i just was able to scale test my servers these last few days -- i think i reasonably could get 2000 requests per second going through
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03:23:55  <katlogic>overflow: OS is irrelevant, simply make it run in browser :) Hence web ide (and bake node-webkit for those who really insist on having desktop app or whatever).
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03:24:22  <overflow>katlogic what are your feelings on cloud? i don't like cloud apps whatsoever.. you'd run desktop software that sync's to a specific website deployment you pay for separately
03:24:25  <mmalecki>oh man, those tiny Chromebooks are seriously awesome
03:24:28  <katlogic>overflow: The whole web thing is the seller - i can log in to my ide from anywhere, instead of using html5 rdesktop client as i do now.
03:24:32  <overflow>katlogic node-webkit, exactly!
03:24:54  <mmalecki>(after you put actual Linux on them, that is.)
03:25:12  <katlogic>overflow: Well, what i advocate is super cloud :)
03:25:20  <overflow>katlogic i call it web 3.0
03:25:29  <culthero>gorelative: logger.debug('Adding Sensor undefined To the database as it doesn\'t exist!'); is what yo uget back?
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03:25:43  <gorelative>yes
03:25:50  <katlogic>overflow: Conversely, i have very low opinion of node-webkitish thing. Imo its just a hack to reuse things optimised for web on desktop. While bringing vast amount of unnecessary overhead.
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03:25:53  <culthero>pass sensors + i to your .success function it's out of scope
03:26:01  <gorelative>ah ok
03:26:09  <culthero>i think
03:26:27  <overflow>btw, i'd love to be a speaker at an event such as the notepad conf.. i was going to submit my library to the js conference in NL for their prize money as well.. point is i'm pretty poor right now from all the r&d costs and i gotta just take on what isn't risky
03:26:29  <mmalecki>katlogic: it came with an outdated webkit too, last time I checked
03:26:33  <katlogic>aka, emacs / sublimetext / gvim will be magnitude faster and more extensible than anything node-webkit would ever aspire to be.
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03:26:45  <overflow>katlogic node-webkit seems difficult to use, but a free browser alternative to chrome is going to be the play
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03:27:08  <katlogic>overflow: Seriously, use it only just alternative platform for people who insist on local "app".
03:27:23  <overflow>katlogic i've heard ppl suggest just rewriting web standards since Google is throwing piss at the wind with it
03:27:30  <katlogic>If you marry to it and ignore browser, you cut yourself from large market...
03:27:34  <overflow>hm, katlogic the point is that enterprise companies still are gonna be stuck with this system
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03:27:53  <katlogic>overflow: Yes, no problem there. Just give them their .exe if thats what their want.
03:27:54  <overflow>innovation is cool, but there's a lot of big companies that would benefit from a more effective solution
03:27:59  <katlogic>just dont hard marry it.
03:28:04  <overflow>ah right on
03:28:10  <overflow>same boat again :)
03:28:14  <overflow>so are you a console guy?
03:28:26  <katlogic>archetypal neckbear linux user yeah :)
03:28:27  <overflow>i see we agree on how we've been divided, what do we have in common?
03:28:35  <culthero>neck bear?!
03:28:35  <overflow>i like quake 3, not mario kart :P
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03:28:46  <katlogic>culthero: yeah, beard in shape of a bear!
03:28:46  <overflow>i'm a windows user tho
03:28:57  <overflow>hehehe
03:29:03  <culthero>read more like a neck in the shape of a bear
03:29:07  <culthero>scrot*
03:29:29  <overflow>most of what i want to build resembles all the cool shit we did in games in the 00's
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03:30:07  <katlogic>overflow: Also i generally hate web, but its everywhere and can appreciate well done web apps :) From my POV there are very few, as everyone focuses on time-to-market, rather than some added value beyond cobbling up components.
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03:30:38  <katlogic>While TTM is important, web is interesting only from the mobile perspective. Mobile = not i5 macbook.
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03:31:09  <overflow>katlogic so like me you don't demerit the value of waterfall PM
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03:31:42  <overflow>you like any legitimately assembled technology
03:31:54  <overflow>most linux users hate microsoft bc of the bullying tactics they had
03:32:02  <overflow>i was too young and i liked my games too much
03:32:15  <overflow>how do i navigate that one?
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03:32:32  <katlogic>As odd it sounds, i use windows on my tablet :)
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03:33:03  <katlogic>2gb ram, puny atom device, attachable keyboard, the poster child of not-i5-macbook :)
03:33:15  <overflow>linux also to me is too much package management
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03:33:19  <overflow>so is github
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03:33:38  <overflow>i just like getting to it quicker, is that an issue for linux users?
03:33:47  <katlogic>overflow: on desktop its mostly about the steep curve. once one gets past it theres no coming bad.
03:34:08  <overflow>so linux users feel like they make a knowledge investment and they hate anything that infringes..??
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03:34:13  <LouisT>wait, what do you mean getting to it quicker?
03:34:13  <overflow>or is hate too strong a word for it
03:34:14  <katlogic>but it works only in desktop setting, on mobile, everything has to be vastly simplified as you generally cant be that focused on tasks anyway.
03:34:28  <overflow>LouisT i think by "it" i mean "business"
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03:34:40  <overflow>rather than on a mac they would have branded for "art's sake" or something hippie dippy
03:34:51  <LouisT>i <3 linux, i've used it on my desktop for the past 6 years or so
03:34:53  <katlogic>overflow: No, its just we suck at gui because we're married to console too much.
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03:35:04  <overflow>katlogic what if i abstracted enough to give people an ability to get *really* technical with how social the web has become?
03:35:11  <katlogic>overflow: Its weird, because i've seen people being really good with visual studio/eclipse.
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03:35:57  <LouisT>overflow: your "complaint" about package management really has to do with whatever distro you're using
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03:36:13  <katlogic>overflow: social web? im not sure i follow ...
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03:37:02  <katlogic>LouisT: Its the usual newbie hurdle. Unfortunately linux has a quite a few of those for new users ...
03:37:06  <overflow>katlogic that's gonna take me too long to build nm that part :P
03:37:34  <overflow>but i guess i just want ppl to have "enough" in the way of tools that they can create and most importantly be able to trade the work they've put in for money
03:38:00  <overflow>it would probably have to follow in the same tradition of the microsoft/linux dichotemy
03:38:04  <LouisT>see, i started off with gentoo like 7 or more years ago... THAT (at the time) was a mistake, but i think it's now made me ever so slightly better heh
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03:38:15  <overflow>except no .exe's or anything, it would be almost fully portable
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03:38:28  <overflow>except when you get down to the server level of the stack, things i've learned become pretty OS -specific
03:38:38  <katlogic>overflow: Bear in mind, hipsteresque macbook users will be your major target demo anyway.
03:38:38  <gorelative>culthero:im not sure how to pass i to success().. success() is from sequelize..
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03:39:00  <overflow>katlogic argh!
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03:39:13  <katlogic>overflow: 40% win32 / 40% mac / 20% linux
03:39:19  <katlogic>about this users split i'm told for node
03:39:23  <overflow>katlogic mostly there are workaround strategies
03:39:32  <overflow>i don't have the money or resources save a lottery win to hit anything big
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03:39:55  <overflow>in node i think there's 70% ruby/python users and 20-25% PHP users
03:40:07  <overflow>lotta hipsters :P
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03:40:23  <katlogic>cant really say
03:40:24  <overflow>enterprise creeping in too but i think they're still testing given i worked on a pilot project using node
03:40:29  <overflow>at a f100
03:40:41  <katlogic>the 2/2/1 split was measured empirically about one nodejs focused access.log ...
03:40:44  <overflow>we weren't doing anything significant w it when i left
03:40:45  <culthero>gorelative: .success(s, sensors, i) ?
03:40:53  <overflow>haha awesome :)
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03:41:43  <katlogic>overflow: I'm not really sure true enterprise will ever step into node.
03:41:44  <LouisT>i've asked this a couple days ago, but any of you going to nodevember?
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03:42:23  <katlogic>overflow: The best one can do there is grails, scala, clojure :)
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03:42:50  <katlogic>As long one just ships .jars, they dont need to really know whats behind..
03:43:08  <Mia>is there any easy/better altearnative than dokku for multiple nodejs apps on a single vps
03:43:14  <Mia>(digitalcean)
03:43:20  <overflow>katlogic scala was in use at the f100 i was at
03:43:25  <overflow>scala did the heavy lifting in other words
03:43:55  <katlogic>overflow: Yeah, I cant see JVM dying anytime soon. The ecosystem is vast and robust.
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03:44:14  <overflow>we were a very hipster team within the f100
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03:44:22  <overflow>bigups to the architect :P
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03:45:09  <culthero>gorelative: Sorry you may not be able to pass additional arguments to the success function with sequelize can you try and log either i or sensors to see if sensors exist but not i?
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03:45:33  <katlogic>overflow: Nah, there are quite couple of enlightened megacorps. Those who use modern JVM stuff have my deepest respect.
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03:47:25  <Moogly2012>the JVM is fine, the JDK on the other hand...
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03:47:58  <katlogic>its kinda like, C++ is fina, but stl/boost on the other hand ...
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03:48:43  <Moogly2012>a closer comparison would be it's illegitimate stepchild C#
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03:50:05  <ljharb>:-( ugh jvm
03:50:09  <Moogly2012>for example, JSP vs. ASP , people don't really use JSP as much anymore, they prefer Play! or Spring
03:50:23  <Moogly2012>yet in C# land people usually just stick to the defaults
03:50:42  <Moogly2012>Java is good ole grandpa who needs to stop driving around in his old truck, and drive a new tesla instead
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03:51:07  <overflow>yea i figure most ppl normally use hipster software in the evenings as a way to cope with their day-jobs
03:51:18  <Moogly2012>haha
03:51:19  <katlogic>Moogly2012: whats the hipster thing for c#?
03:51:22  <overflow>i figure why not just give ppl something they can use at work :P
03:51:25  <jeffreylevesque>i use python
03:51:29  <katlogic>Moogly2012: jvm has grails, and its fairly decent clone of ror
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03:51:36  <jeffreylevesque>I'd like to do some C++
03:51:57  <Moogly2012>well C# does have Nancy which is like Sinatra from Ruby
03:52:02  <jeffreylevesque>trying to learn machine learning
03:52:07  <culthero>gorelative: at worst, you could select the value of sensors[i] and i as static variables (sorry I've never used sequelize)
03:52:16  <Moogly2012>I've used it in some of my pet projects to ember web based UI's to server applications
03:52:20  <Moogly2012>embed*
03:52:40  <katlogic>Moogly2012: well, sinatra/web.py is just very basic web server, i'm looking for something more like ror/django ...
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03:53:00  <ForSpareParts>I’m working with the IRC library, whose callbacks don’t conform to the (error, succesValue) pattern, and the rest of my app is all on promises. Is there a good way to promisify the contents of that library?
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03:53:08  <irc_smirk>i just discovered node-red. awesomeness
03:53:12  <Moogly2012>everyone just uses ASP.NET or builds on top of it, believe it or not... ASP.NET is quite amazing
03:53:18  <Moogly2012>MVC4 is really nice
03:53:51  <ForSpareParts>I can’t use bluebird’s promisifyAll, because it reads successful resolutions as errors (since they put the value in the first argument).
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03:54:21  <Moogly2012>Oh there is MonoRail, guessing it's for people who want to develop through Mono
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03:54:44  <katlogic>Moogly2012: Yeah, Mono is my target indeed.
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03:54:51  <Moogly2012>but it's still a wrapper around ASP.NET
03:55:05  <katlogic>its the recent fetish of mine after finding out its a very competent runtime
03:55:12  <katlogic>often seemingly even better than jvm apparently
03:55:13  <Moogly2012>to my understanding ASP.NET works on Mono, just not "fully"
03:55:30  <Moogly2012>Mono is great, till you design a GUI, then all hell breaks lose
03:55:38  <jeffreylevesque>my friend who works at Tesla said to me, 'ironically, east coast is .NET, west coast is 8% .NET'
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03:55:48  <katlogic>Moogly2012: Nah, just on the server stuff :)
03:55:50  <Moogly2012>MonoDevelop is so buggy when it comes to designing a form, something so trivial in other IDE's
03:56:08  <Moogly2012>then I think you should be able to get away with a lot using mono, it's great for that
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03:56:29  <katlogic>Moogly2012: boo + mono, to be precise
03:56:46  <katlogic>Moogly2012: atm just pure .asp net, but looking for dat ror-esque hipster feel
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03:57:07  <Moogly2012>now that I've dived into Python / Ruby... Boo doesn't look as ugly all of a sudden
03:57:37  <Moogly2012>but is Boo even still maintained?
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03:57:44  <katlogic>yeah, its this like coffescript is to js
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03:57:56  <katlogic>Moogly2012: mostly just maintainance, no real development :(
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03:58:01  <Moogly2012>=[
03:58:03  <jeffreylevesque>Tesla web portal / billing stuff are in .NET
03:58:15  <Moogly2012>haha
03:58:26  <Moogly2012>StackOverflow is ASP.NET tooo
03:58:36  <Moogly2012>didn't know that about Tesla though
03:58:54  <spronk>i envy .net devs
03:58:55  <jeffreylevesque>their software is a different language, most likely
03:58:57  <Moogly2012>like I said, Grandpa Java isn't driving a new tesla, he fell back in time
03:59:01  <culthero>gorelative: why not use findOrCreate() http://sequelizejs.com/docs/1.7.8/models#block-26-line-1 you get an object passed to success no matter what
03:59:07  <spronk>but you just can't build software like i want to in a cost effective manner with .net
03:59:26  <gorelative>culthero: because findorcreate matches all of the params you pass, i only want to match one.
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03:59:36  <spronk>visual studio is a dream
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03:59:51  <Moogly2012>I get it for free as a student so I get to enjoy it when I'm on my laptop
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04:00:24  <spronk>best thing about the ms platform is the way it just gets out of the way
04:00:32  <spronk>but you have to fully buy in
04:00:33  <Moogly2012>but on my desktop, I'm on Ubuntu, so I challenge myself to try other languages and platforms
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04:01:21  <Moogly2012>even the Python Tools for Visual Studio plugin made me stop using PyCharm, it's just really well done
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04:02:42  <jeffreylevesque>I'm kind of funky
04:03:00  <jeffreylevesque>i use a console windows / git
04:03:10  <culthero>db.Sensor.findOrCreate({sensorId: sensors[i]}, {name: sensors[i]}).success(function(sensor, created) { console.log(sensor) }); wouldn't work? ?
04:03:21  <crapwagon>that's not funky jeffreylevesque
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04:03:25  <crapwagon>that's being an actual adult programmer
04:03:43  <katlogic>jeffreylevesque: Self-inflicted harm.
04:03:50  <overflow>whoa but being an "adult" can be fun
04:03:52  <katlogic>git is really painful :(
04:04:00  <Havvy>git is a breeze to use.
04:04:06  <katlogic>Havvy: on windows.
04:04:06  <overflow>git is not simple lol
04:04:12  <overflow>no version control is simple.
04:04:16  <Havvy>Use the Node.js shell
04:04:18  <culthero>most of it is
04:04:22  <crapwagon>vim fugitive + Gblame has made my life a lot less painful recently
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04:04:32  <overflow>version control and package management are hard engineering problems
04:04:36  <culthero>...
04:04:42  <jeffreylevesque>git is cool, in it's own way
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04:04:51  <jeffreylevesque>GitHub is cool
04:04:58  <Moogly2012>GitHub for Windows / Mac
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04:05:03  <jeffreylevesque>i feel like many .NET programmers use SVN
04:05:05  <Moogly2012>who needs to know git anymore?
04:05:06  <overflow>guys i'm gonna duck out
04:05:09  * katlogiclikes the touchy feely UI of github for windows
04:05:14  <katlogic>wish it was not that sluggish but hey
04:05:15  <overflow>gotta get this server shutdown real quick
04:05:18  <Moogly2012>.NET has it's own github, which uses git or TFS
04:05:23  <Moogly2012>codeplex
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04:05:52  <Moogly2012>Visual Studio comes with git out of the box now
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04:06:09  <katlogic>Moogly2012: codeplex reminds me of the early days of codeproject :)
04:06:36  <Moogly2012>I never went on code project back in the day, I used to visit pscode a lot though
04:06:38  <katlogic>though i kinda hate it how ms tries to shove it down my throat
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04:07:11  <Moogly2012>I was shocked when I saw nuget inside of Visual Studio out of the box, considering it's not their product
04:07:20  <katlogic>i mean, i kinda dont own any ms product, mono is this cheap chinese knockoff :)
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04:07:56  <Moogly2012>one thing that annoyed me was when they dropped Moonlight (the Linux derivative of Silverlight)
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04:08:21  <Havvy>Isn't Silverlight dead?
04:08:23  <Moogly2012>it actually worked more stable than Flash for me
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04:08:30  <katlogic>well, they pretty much screwed up the whole .net thing in browser
04:08:31  <Moogly2012>they're trying to kill it off
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04:08:53  <katlogic>there was a path we speculated would work - basically pull of Dart with .net
04:08:54  <Moogly2012>so Netflix has about 8 years or so to figure out what they're going to do
04:09:07  <katlogic>eg, compile typescript to .net (silverlight) and js
04:09:10  <katlogic>voila
04:09:14  <Moogly2012>I'm surprised they don't just do what mega did and force users to use a plugin
04:09:22  <Moogly2012>people will install anything to get netflix to work
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04:09:28  <katlogic>but no, they make this ivory tower and then act super butthurt when nobody uses it. well, duh.
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04:09:37  <katlogic>what happened to embrace, extend, extuinguish my dear ms.
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04:09:52  <spronk>doing your normal everyday git via a CLI is archaic
04:09:55  <spronk>save so much time by just using a gui
04:09:59  <Moogly2012>that's old MS
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04:10:05  <Moogly2012>I hope...
04:10:15  <katlogic>Moogly2012: but google uses this tactic now ...
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04:10:21  <Moogly2012>indeed
04:10:21  <katlogic>so yeah, the roles switched
04:10:25  <Moogly2012>"Do all evil"
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04:10:37  <katlogic>ms is to be cheered on as they're the well-natured underdog now :)
04:10:42  <Moogly2012>except nobody uses Bing
04:10:56  <Moogly2012>unless you use duckduckgo
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04:11:21  <katlogic>Moogly2012: I'm kinda hoping they're waiting for the right 1984 google moment and people will start seriously considering alternatives
04:11:37  <katlogic>and they'll drive up r&d on it so it will become competetive with google
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04:11:59  <katlogic>especially by cooping with local dbs like foursquare, cue the recent drama of google steamrolling over those in eu
04:12:01  <Mia>Anyone got any experience with nodejs and dokku
04:12:08  <Mia>on digitalocean
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04:12:28  <Mia>I'm trying to deploy this hello world app
04:12:34  <Mia>(to get the basics)
04:12:56  <overflow>Mia if it were 6 months from now (i think you asked about hosting, right?) i'd be able to help
04:13:08  <katlogic>Mia: Why not just run vanilla?
04:13:26  <Mia>katlogic, what do you mean
04:13:36  <Mia>I want to be able to deploy multiple apps on a single vps
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04:13:44  <Mia>someone here told that dokku is the easiest option
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04:13:47  <Mia>so I'm playing with it
04:14:01  <katlogic>Just personal opinion, docker ended up being more trouble than its worth in the end for me.
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04:14:13  <Mia>hm
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04:14:27  <katlogic>Mia: Simply ssh in, run node. That means vanilla.
04:14:50  <katlogic>git push to deploy into the folder where node runs in with watcher, so things reload automagically
04:14:55  <Mia>katlogic I can do that, but I can't see it s a web-app
04:15:01  <Mia>it runs... locally?
04:15:02  <katlogic>its the dead easiest setup, the advantage is full transparency
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04:15:30  <katlogic>Mia: what do you mean?
04:15:37  <katlogic>you obviously run node on the server
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04:15:54  <Mia>right now I have sent the index.js, which is simply the app that's on the index page of nodejs homepage
04:15:58  <Mia>the one that says "hello world"
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04:16:07  <Mia>I'm trying to deploy/host it now
04:16:08  <katlogic>Mia: yes
04:16:13  <Mia>unsuccessful so far
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04:16:25  <Mia>I can run it through remote, but I can't "visit" it through browser
04:16:36  <Moogly2012>you can use SFTP to upload files, then SSH to run them
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04:16:49  <Mia>Moogly2012, that's what I did
04:16:55  <katlogic>Mia: i simply ssh in, screen, coffee -w main.coffee
04:17:00  <katlogic>and git push from desktop
04:17:07  <Moogly2012>maybe that's why
04:17:14  <Moogly2012>Mia are you closing SSH after you run the script?
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04:17:22  <Mia>Moogly2012, no
04:17:25  <Moogly2012>oh
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04:18:04  <Moogly2012>you tried going to http://whatevertheip:1337/
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04:18:32  <[muttox]>Mia: firewall issue? in the ssh session can you open the port on localhost with curl or links or something?
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04:19:05  <Mia>[muttox], I wish I knew what you're talking about
04:19:08  <katlogic>Now i see why things like docker and nodejitsu are so popular.
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04:19:53  <katlogic>The necessity of basic necessity of knowing your way with networking/unix might be a burden for new users ...
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04:20:21  <overra>kind of obscure but has anyone run into an issue with the cluster module when using node's eval (node -e)? here's an example of what i'm running into https://gist.github.com/overra/80149efda83738f62582
04:20:42  <katlogic>Mia: Seriously, if you dont want to waste on time, perhaps seek some ready made option, instead of trial erroring custom solution ...
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04:21:07  <overflow>katlogic i'm really good at programming and linux is too much for me..
04:21:09  <[muttox]>sorry late to the conversation so might have missed important details to your setup, are you running a node server with "node script.js" or trying to deploy to dokku?
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04:21:54  <overflow>guys what kinds of apps are you normally deploying with this dokku?
04:21:55  <Mia>katlogic, that might be true
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04:22:05  <overflow>are you just building websites?
04:22:06  <Mia>I'm a designer with a huge interest in creativecoding
04:22:12  <Mia>but right now it's jibberish to me
04:22:14  <katlogic>overflow: Yeah, i can see why its often not for everyone ... thats why SaaS/PaaS are probably a good thing after all :)
04:22:47  <overflow>katlogic you'd be amazed, these code schools (one of which just went to the White House) are teaching MBA's tech's like this
04:22:59  <overflow>i'm amazed frankly.
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04:23:16  <overflow>Mia that's crazy talk, when i worked in games i made sure none of the artists touched SVN
04:23:26  <katlogic>:))
04:23:32  <overflow>that says a lot about me as a nerd, one guy i worked with strongly suggested, "they'll figure it out"
04:23:39  <Mia>overflow, I'm not purely an artist
04:23:42  <Mia>I do coding as well
04:23:48  <Mia>mainly for visual purposes.
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04:23:58  <overflow>aye, i know a few that are really talented and ya'll are touching grunt and all these package systems
04:23:59  <Mia>But social apps are my new hobby, well, I want them to be
04:24:19  <Mia>Learned ruby with an overloaded crashcourse in the last 2 days, now I got myself into nodejs, trying to learn the basics
04:24:24  <Mia>just to make a fair pick
04:24:32  <katlogic>overflow: Its both encouraging and scary at the same time. Basically just things transgressing from scripting excel sheets in vba into doing the same with web, crud and a database ...
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04:24:35  <Mia>But no experience with servers or vps's so far
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04:24:42  <overflow>i think maybe what we're discussing here is that there are MUCH saner ways to go about building technology
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04:25:11  <overflow>i think this type of nerd like me, we get that it's become real sexy and cool, but you have yet to see the stuff you actually get when you diligently and SANELy can build for 6 months to a couple years
04:25:21  <Moogly2012>Mia I sent you my solution via pm
04:25:32  <overflow>and we also need to flush out the business types that work nerds like literal slaves, importing them from various parts of the globe and so on (and not as individuals)
04:25:43  <Mia>Moogly2012, checking now
04:25:51  <overflow>katlogic i'd venture a lot of these guys are doing adderall
04:26:00  <overflow>katlogic they are the law school type A types..
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04:26:53  <katlogic>overflow: I take it from the perspective that apart from services, most people are simply not employable. No job for half of population. Making development super easy accessible to the masses is the only way.
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04:27:19  <katlogic>Literally like in startrek "computer, write me a program, here is roughly how. when someone writes a holodeck sim :)"
04:27:34  <overflow>katlogic right on, and there are ways i can think to cmpensate ppl for the things they already do online, e.g. maintain a pretty profile, help network indivduals together, etc.
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04:27:58  <overflow>hehe, like writing a holodeck sim is real easy? like that you mean? :P
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04:28:32  <katlogic>well, like 200 years down the line :)
04:28:33  <overflow>i was tutoring someone recent, and i said, "if i agree to teach you, you have to limit your consumption of Fast company, HN, etc. like you would any sweet"
04:28:37  <overflow>hehe
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04:29:42  <overflow>can you believe Mark Z. is pressing hard on politics to basically get more immigrants?
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04:29:59  <overflow>the politician slammed Mark since he's not employing existing unemployed
04:30:04  <Mia>Moogly2012's trick worked, at least I can conenct through my vpsip:port right now
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04:30:17  <overflow>basically i think it's become like any bad work situation where they just want to throw more fresh minds at the fire until they burn out
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04:30:24  <Mia>so, if dokku is not the best option, what should I learn to deploy multiple apps to subdomains and keep them running?
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04:31:17  <katlogic>overflow: Being from (almost) 3rd world country, I sincerely hope that f100 megacorps will lobby that thing thru.
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04:31:45  <overflow>the counter argument is to simply develop every other nation
04:31:45  <crapwagon>being from a second world country doesn't mean you should avoid mastering things like git and vim
04:31:52  <overflow>america is just a conglomerate country
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04:32:03  <katlogic>overflow: Most aggresive was MS tho, Lay off N people. Then "Please gubbermint, gief N*2 H3Bs because shortage of slaves".
04:32:13  <overflow>yea that's what the politician was saying
04:32:20  <overflow>"Facebook, why not employ these MS engineers"
04:32:50  <overflow>Huh, hm wow
04:33:09  <overflow>i don't know what this front line would look like..
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04:33:28  <overflow>i can say after years and years i feel much more in a global society
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04:33:44  <katlogic>http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/09/25/1248215/microsoft-on-us-immigration-its-our-way-or-the-canadian-highway
04:33:46  <L8D>why do people hate MS now?
04:34:00  <crapwagon>people hating anything are mostly not worth listening to
04:34:02  <katlogic>H1B, sorry
04:34:07  <L8D>like, what have they done to continue their legacy?
04:34:11  <crapwagon>everythings basically shit when you use it a lot
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04:34:22  <crapwagon>metro UI on servers
04:34:29  <katlogic>:))
04:34:31  <crapwagon>the driver hacks they used to make Charms work on win 8
04:34:37  <katlogic>servers with tiny touchscreen metro ui panels!
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04:34:45  <overra>lol
04:34:46  <katlogic>now that could be handy actually
04:35:12  <overflow>Bill Gates has become very weird in recent years. i'm guessing the politician slanderd Mark Z. because he's much less appealing than Bill Gates (and much younger)
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04:35:21  <overflow>most US companies are stashing money overseas and don't give a fuck about America
04:35:39  <overflow>so what is the peril to use that money to simply develop other countries?
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04:35:52  <overflow>is this view accurate??
04:35:54  <katlogic>overflow: Nah, they behave rationally. Its impossible to regulate on multinational level.
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04:36:19  <crapwagon>there have already been a number of ideas floated about creating a non-US national enclave somewhere like panama to deal with visa constraints and legality / victimization by NSA etc
04:36:25  <crapwagon>silicon valley has the money
04:36:29  <katlogic>overflow: Indian code monkey costs $4 a hour, in the us, $20 if you're lucky....
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04:36:46  <katlogic>hence the crapcode sweatshops in dhilli and china
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04:36:59  <overflow>guys this is the next bubble lol
04:37:11  <overflow>i keep telling ppl about it, i feel strongly though it will have social ramifications.
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04:37:29  <katlogic>(its ~$6 in here for a code monkey, thats what a burger flipper earns in the US!)
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04:37:42  <overflow>why do you guys from outside US want to come to US?
04:37:48  <katlogic>we dont
04:37:52  <katlogic>your country is horrible
04:37:52  <overflow>what would you need in order to develop in your homeland?
04:37:55  <crapwagon>that's mostly not true overflow
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04:38:07  <katlogic>Ideally, we want to steal your jobs, but stay in our shitty countries.
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04:38:16  <overflow>ok well let's not call it "shitty"
04:38:21  <crapwagon>but for those that do, mostly because of americas excellent marketing / global cultural hegemony
04:38:33  <katlogic>overflow: Ah, right, 3rd world :)
04:38:34  <crapwagon>i've seen poor kids in eastern europe dressed in american hiphop stylings
04:38:35  <overflow>Indians have been on IRC for years communicating with Americans until America is basically losing most of its luster
04:38:44  <crapwagon>cultural hegemony counts for a lot of FUD
04:38:54  <overflow>crapwagon eastern euro has a thing for that gangsterism
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04:39:02  <katlogic>overflow: Thats the general idea how to turn 1st world into 2rld, and the respective 3rd world into 2nd world too.
04:39:15  <overflow>ok, but i'm an American and i am beginning to dislike how confusing it is to do simple tasks
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04:39:20  <crapwagon>overflow: shrug, so does everywhere i've been (SEA, EU, Easter EU, NA)
04:39:35  <overflow>and there's a lot of ppl more unhappy and less off than me
04:39:50  <crapwagon>maybe
04:39:51  <overflow>so with regard to the mega corps who clearly are pulling the strings
04:40:00  <overflow>what can be done to stimulate small businesses in other countries not US
04:40:08  <overflow>bc that's what i want to happen in America
04:40:15  <overflow>and if you guys keep feeding big business it's harder for me
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04:40:25  <crapwagon>there's a strong inward facing marketing illusion in the US that encourages your citizens insular views and discourages realising a lot of other places are great
04:40:31  <overflow>that's just a thought experiment, nothing serious
04:40:33  <crapwagon>the whole thing is pretty complicated and messed up
04:40:43  <overflow>crapwagon it is becoming like that, you're right.
04:40:52  <overflow>i watch international news all the time
04:40:52  <crapwagon>it always has been
04:40:56  <crapwagon>just look at what went on before ww2
04:41:02  <overflow>did you know China has a much nicer looking version of the Statue of Liberty?
04:41:12  <overflow>it's a Buddhist shrine, but i wouldn't have known that until yesterday :P
04:41:29  <katlogic>overflow: Its really easy. America gets poorer. China and India gets richer. I'm talking tangible goods, class divide such as your skyrocketing gini index is separate problem from that.
04:41:29  <crapwagon>most americans don't realise the french made her
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04:42:12  <overflow>do you guys value diversity?
04:42:20  <overflow>or are you more after economic wellbeing?
04:42:24  <crapwagon>the problem is, as nerds on the internet (especially in #node.js) this doesn't help anyone really to discuss
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04:42:46  <crapwagon>and marketing, systemic racism, and limited time to understand new things will always hinder a clear view of the world
04:42:46  <overflow>hm, i think if ww3 broke out tomorrow IRC would be really important.
04:42:55  <overflow>that's interesting.
04:43:08  <overflow>bc i started noticing in 2008 that every country was developing its own internet anyway
04:43:11  <crapwagon>more like twitter, or firechat (used in HK right now)
04:43:14  <overflow>new zealand has a separate version of facebook, etc.
04:43:17  * katlogicvividly remembers gulf war on irc
04:43:21  <overflow>bingo -- it's economic, and it's social.
04:43:27  <crapwagon>we have a separate version of ebay, not trademe
04:43:28  <katlogic>overflow: internet split not gonna happen. networking laws forbid it.
04:43:33  <crapwagon>er not facebook
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04:43:49  <katlogic>any "private isolated internet" is simply not viable. filtered, at best.
04:43:54  <overflow>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statues_by_height#mediaviewer/File:Guan_Yin_of_the_South_Sea_of_Sanya.JPG
04:44:00  <overflow>Chinese version of statue of liberty ^^
04:44:01  <overflow>:)
04:44:14  <overflow>katlogic but i'm saying i interact with far less internationals today than i did 7 yaers ago
04:44:18  <crapwagon>if you've read Cryptonomicon it discusses the geopolitics of networks
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04:44:23  <crapwagon>pretty good stuff
04:44:27  <overflow>i used to know a guy in South Africa, China, Australia, Ukraine, Brazil, it goes on and on..
04:44:27  <Moogly2012>so is there a particular web framework for node that's recommended?
04:44:28  <Mia>how will I close screen apps
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04:45:20  <katlogic>overflow: Its true that net is kinda swamped by a lot of white americans recently. For example IRC in the 90s was mostly non-american thing.
04:45:28  <katlogic>You guys kept to your aol chatrooms, we had irc and so on :)
04:45:42  <overflow>ha! wow
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04:45:44  <Moogly2012>that's true, I was in the AOL Chatrooms, awks
04:45:48  <overflow>i never saw it like that.
04:46:00  <overflow>i started out in the games ethosphere
04:46:01  <Moogly2012>and MSN Messenger
04:46:02  <crapwagon>yeah it was the late 90s / early 00s that it became a pop culture thing (Basshunter botten anna etc)
04:46:11  <overflow>i just really liked that everyone in games was an artist
04:46:13  <crapwagon>but it's mostly back to nerds now, unfortunately too many web devs though
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04:46:18  <Moogly2012>heck MSN has MSN chat back then too, and Comic Chat...
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04:46:31  <overflow>katlogic the white americans thing is due to the code schools getting ppl on IRC i think.
04:46:34  <Moogly2012>had
04:46:38  <overflow>they're the MBA types, basically.
04:47:09  <crapwagon>freenode has grown from the rise in OSS importance in the world and is one of the larger networks now as undernet/dalnet/quakenet/efnet have collapsed slowly
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04:47:13  <katlogic>overflow: From my experience, coding (freenode) and most importantly gaming (quakenet)
04:47:17  <crapwagon>i don't think code schools have much to do with it
04:47:37  <katlogic>traditional irc networks (efnet, ircnet) has comparably much smaller "american ratio"
04:47:43  <overflow>hm, so what blockers exist for building out more small businesses/local freelance in your respective countries?
04:47:56  <overflow>efnet and dalnet definitely do, yea
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04:48:07  <crapwagon>i'm from new zealand, small business is alive and well
04:48:24  <Moogly2012>I think maybe with the rise of Linux distributions like Ubuntu which push their support channels
04:48:25  <crapwagon>lack of programmers that aren't shit hurts me directly though (had my own business 4 years)
04:48:35  <rakm>I'm using geddy and npm start script is `node_modules/geddy/bin/cli.js --environment=staging --port=4001 &`. As far as I understand, that & at the end should detach the process and when I close my terminal session, the process should live on. However, it seems to be closing. Am I wrong about the &, or is there something about node or geddy I am missing?
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04:48:39  <Moogly2012>might have something to do with the rise of IRC lately maybe?
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04:48:44  <katlogic>I'm from czech republic, we basically still are one foot practicising communism, like rest of ex-soviet countries.
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04:49:04  <crapwagon>Moogly2012: i don't know, mozilla, debian, both went and made their own irc networks but that was a long time ago
04:49:22  <crapwagon>i stayed in prague for a month or so when i was only gonna go for a few days
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04:49:28  <crapwagon>was pretty good
04:49:40  <crapwagon>was a hobo in eastern europe coding on the net for 11 months
04:49:40  <Moogly2012>I had no idea debian did that
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04:50:01  <crapwagon>Moogly2012: oftc political drama years ago
04:50:04  <Moogly2012>I guess someone wanted total power
04:50:05  <katlogic>crapwagon: Prague is mostly tourist attraction, yeah.
04:50:12  <Moogly2012>yeah, usually what it is heh
04:50:20  <crapwagon>katlogic: sure, but i was from new zealand, cut me some slack
04:50:28  <crapwagon>katlogic: i went camping for a month with a romanian family too
04:50:31  <crapwagon>katlogic: so it wasn't all tourist crap
04:50:43  <katlogic>crapwagon: Yeah, i actually had guy like you as a roomie.
04:50:48  <crapwagon>i didn't see almost any tourist sites in 11 months
04:50:58  <katlogic>He was the usual american redneck from nebraska or somewhere.
04:50:58  <crapwagon>i jsut went from back packers to back packers and spent a lot of time walking and reading
04:51:25  <katlogic>crapwagon: Pumped welfare in the us, and spent it on cheap living in cz.
04:51:35  <crapwagon>ahh i just worked on the net
04:51:36  <katlogic>Eventually he had to find a job, but it went for years :)
04:51:40  <crapwagon>i've been self employed for years
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04:52:28  <crapwagon>but yeah eastern europe was pretty shit in winter but okay in summer
04:52:33  <crapwagon>the food was pretty bad mostly
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04:52:38  <overflow>katlogic sounds like my friend from Texas who lived in Prague :D
04:52:50  <overflow>he was a designer/artist type of guy
04:53:01  <katlogic>nah, this one was java dev
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04:53:36  <katlogic>kinda hippy, most hilarious thing was he was afraid to speak czech, even though he knew it fairly weird
04:53:57  <crapwagon>sounds mentally less than ideal
04:54:00  <katlogic>he probably well realised that it sounds very similiar how retards speak in here
04:54:14  <CaffeineAddict>if you have a forked child process w/ a setTimeout that gets cleared and reset by a keepAlive function ... is it wrong to name the function that calls process.exit() seppuku
04:54:28  <katlogic>crapwagon: Nah, czechs tend to ridicule foreigners trying to speak czech :(
04:54:37  <katlogic>we're kinda assholes in that, like say japanese
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04:55:18  <katlogic>Ultimately its a win-win with guys like that, he speaks english all the time, i speak czech all the time and we both get very good at code-switching :)
04:55:33  <crapwagon>katlogic: same with the dutch
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04:56:43  <katlogic>CaffeineAddict: exterminate()!
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04:57:25  <CaffeineAddict>katlogic: naw, that has skynet writen all over it
04:57:39  <katlogic>CaffeineAddict: my favourite is mqueue construct where messages are pumped from various other places into single place. cant resist to call it bukkake()
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04:57:55  <doug_>CaffeineAddict: culturally sensitive terminology isnot allowed in source code right? right? :)
04:58:19  <CaffeineAddict>lol @ katlogic & doug_
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04:59:34  <nexxy>katlogic: extremely inappropriate
04:59:37  <rakm>anybody?
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05:00:11  <CaffeineAddict>nexxy: you regret googling that dont you
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05:00:28  <nexxy>CaffeineAddict: I'm quite aware
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05:01:07  <nexxy>and I'm amazed that anyone would think it's anywhere near appropriate to bring up in a community support channel for a web technology
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05:02:57  <katlogic>I know this does not excuse my juvenile behaviour ...
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05:03:03  <katlogic>node]$ egrep -R -i "(fuck|shit|cunt)" | wc -l
05:03:03  <katlogic>66
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05:08:15  <CaffeineAddict>http://xkcd.com/322/
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05:10:14  <CaffeineAddict>@ rakm never used geddy before ... but I know forever does that
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05:10:49  <nexxy>CaffeineAddict: if only!
05:10:53  <nexxy>haha
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05:10:57  <CaffeineAddict>;p
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05:11:35  <nexxy>lol @ the alt text too
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05:22:56  <Moogly2012>hmm I think I've reached my limit for using xmonad
05:23:12  <Moogly2012>missing my old DE already
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05:24:03  <Moogly2012>duno if I wana jump around DE's
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05:24:27  <crapwagon>you'll be using them until you get bored of computers, which could be a long time
05:24:30  <crapwagon>may as well get it right
05:24:34  <Moogly2012>haha
05:24:51  <Moogly2012>Gnome does it for me, love xmonad for a distraction free scenario
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05:25:49  <Moogly2012>too lazy to switch
05:26:01  <nexxy>Moogly2012: xmonad is the only thing I miss from linux
05:26:10  <Moogly2012>xmonad also forces me to get into haskell
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05:26:46  <Moogly2012>people've made everything in JS, except a DE
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05:27:01  <Moogly2012>er they probably have haven't they
05:27:05  <nexxy>Moogly2012: https://github.com/mixu/nwm
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05:27:15  <Moogly2012>LOL
05:27:18  <nexxy>yup.
05:27:27  <nexxy>IDK if you can call it a DE
05:27:29  <nexxy>but close?
05:27:39  <Moogly2012>oh a WM
05:27:46  <nexxy>I mean, most of a DE
05:27:48  <Moogly2012>people use WM's as DE's
05:27:53  <nexxy>IDK if it handles DBUS and shit
05:27:57  <nexxy>but close enough
05:28:02  <Moogly2012>xmonad is just a WM, but people use it like a DE
05:28:04  <nexxy>d-bus
05:28:06  <nexxy>w/e
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05:28:54  <nexxy>Moogly2012: have you seen http://node-os.com/?
05:28:58  <Moogly2012>yeah
05:29:06  <Moogly2012>there's another one too
05:29:15  <Moogly2012>I forgot it's name
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05:29:47  <Moogly2012>oh I remember, I'm irritated that my audio is coming out through my speakers, no idea how to fix that with xmonad
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05:30:13  <nexxy>Moogly2012: use amixer!
05:30:15  <nexxy>it's great :D
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05:30:30  <Moogly2012>I liked whatever gnome had
05:30:34  <Moogly2012>it actually worked for me
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05:30:44  <nexxy>Moogly2012: I forget if that's the actual name, but there is a curses-like mixer/audio pref manager
05:30:45  <Moogly2012>but no idea how to launch it from dmenu
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05:31:05  <Moogly2012>so is nwm just a xmonad in js?
05:31:06  <nexxy>Moogly2012: oh, alsamixer
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05:31:38  <Moogly2012>no idea how to use alsamixer
05:31:40  <Moogly2012>sec
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05:31:46  <nexxy>Moogly2012: http://askubuntu.com/questions/371970/how-to-switch-between-headphones-and-speakers-manually-from-command-line
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05:31:58  <nexxy>I used to use alsamixer, but it's been a while
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05:32:06  <Moogly2012>uh...
05:32:11  <Moogly2012>I hate using alsamixer
05:32:13  <nexxy>I think combinations of tab and random keyboard combinations
05:32:16  <Moogly2012>I always end up breaking all my audio
05:32:17  <nexxy>yeah lol
05:32:20  <Moogly2012>cause nothing makes any sense
05:32:26  <Moogly2012>yeah
05:32:31  <Moogly2012>screw that
05:32:35  <nexxy>:P
05:32:38  <Moogly2012>software shouldn't get in my way
05:32:42  <Moogly2012>it should solve my problems
05:32:44  <Moogly2012>not create them
05:32:46  <Moogly2012>:(!
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05:33:12  <nexxy>Moogly2012: at one point I did all of my music via beagleboard & command-line interface to pandora radio
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05:33:28  <Moogly2012>nice
05:33:40  <nexxy>http://6xq.net/projects/pianobar/ + beagleboard + small speaker set = little jukebox!
05:33:42  <Moogly2012>my raspberry pi is sitting doormant inside of a cigar box
05:33:43  <Moogly2012>LOL
05:33:48  <nexxy>do it! :D
05:34:11  <Moogly2012>I don't want a radio, I want to reconfigure my sound!
05:34:12  <Moogly2012>LOL
05:34:17  <nexxy>oh
05:34:23  <nexxy>well this just circumvents that problem entirely!
05:34:28  <Moogly2012>I use atraci for "radio" though
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05:34:52  <Moogly2012>http://atraci.github.io/Atraci-website/
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05:35:51  <nexxy>Moogly2012: gah that UI
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05:36:20  <CaffeineAddict>https://github.com/Anesidora/Anesidora
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05:36:38  <nexxy>Moogly2012: that's really interesting though!
05:36:43  <nexxy>I had no clue such a thing existed, but it makes sense
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05:37:07  <nexxy>http://www.node-spotify.com/ is pretty cool too
05:37:10  <nexxy>slightly related
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05:37:15  <Moogly2012>ooh
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05:37:41  <Moogly2012>Atraci basically grabs the songs off youtube
05:37:45  <Moogly2012>and picks the best quality one
05:37:50  <nexxy>yeah, that was my first question
05:37:58  <Moogly2012>works really well
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05:38:00  <Moogly2012>and since it's youtube
05:38:05  <Moogly2012>you could probably go to work and use it
05:38:13  <nexxy>I'm curious to know how it selects the 'best'
05:38:21  <CaffeineAddict>so its legal in the grey sence of legal
05:38:23  <nexxy>but not curious enough to dig through ruby source
05:38:24  <Moogly2012>I think it bases it on "HD"
05:38:30  <Moogly2012>it's not ruby
05:38:32  <Moogly2012>it's JS
05:38:38  <nexxy>OH
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05:38:42  <nexxy>I thought I saw a few .rb
05:38:47  <nexxy>crazy
05:38:57  <Moogly2012>it's built on node-webkit
05:38:57  <Moogly2012>:)
05:39:00  <nexxy>ohhh
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05:39:03  <nexxy>impressive
05:39:13  <Moogly2012>the only thing that's questionably illegal is how they remove youtube adverts
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05:39:22  <Moogly2012>including the ones that show up before a video loads
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05:39:43  <nexxy>my only complaint so far
05:39:47  <Moogly2012>so they may end up being sued later haha
05:39:48  <CaffeineAddict>well that and im sure the songs posted on youtube are of questionable legality ... but thats for the people uploading them
05:39:52  <nexxy>is that they've put jason derulo as a featured artist
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05:40:07  <Moogly2012>I think it's based off whatever youtube puts as featured
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05:40:14  <Moogly2012>I don't think they host anything themselves
05:40:39  <nexxy>yeah
05:40:42  <Moogly2012>everytime I load it, I get recommended plenty of artists I don't like so it is a downside
05:40:47  <nexxy>and we've seen how well that worked out for torrent trackers
05:40:48  <nexxy>:(
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05:40:58  <Moogly2012>pretty much
05:41:08  <Moogly2012>the bay is still up and going though
05:41:13  <Moogly2012>despite the prison time and all
05:41:20  <nexxy>dedication
05:41:41  <Moogly2012>they have other services... so I suspect the people running those other services keep the bay going
05:41:56  <Moogly2012>like pastebay (pastebin alternative)'
05:42:14  <Moogly2012>and their version of rapidshare
05:42:16  <nexxy>we demand free access to data
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05:42:37  <Moogly2012>the day 3d printers become more affordable though
05:42:39  <nexxy>a wake up call for the Nintendo generation
05:42:49  <Moogly2012>nintendo generation?
05:42:51  <Moogly2012>:)
05:42:53  <nexxy>UGH, my PM made me cancel a print today
05:42:54  <CaffeineAddict>Moogly2012: well that and the fact that the ads posted on the bay net millions of $$$
05:42:58  <nexxy>because it was making too much noise
05:43:03  <Moogly2012>oh I forget about those
05:43:08  <Moogly2012>(adblock plus)
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05:43:22  <Moogly2012>well now I use bluhell firewall (adblock plus stripped down)
05:43:22  <CaffeineAddict>ditto, but they are there ... and they do bring in money
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05:43:40  <Moogly2012>everytime I have my adblocked disabled though
05:43:45  <Moogly2012>it seems they only advertise porn
05:43:48  <CaffeineAddict>yah, adblock kinda sold out ... been meaning to write my own version
05:43:58  <Moogly2012>bluhell is a rewrite
05:44:17  <CaffeineAddict>lol, they advertize based on the person browsing's history
05:44:25  <CaffeineAddict>wonder what you have been doing online
05:44:28  <Moogly2012>that's what I'm afraid of, I have no history
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05:45:01  <Moogly2012>NSA must be using my computer again
05:45:03  <Moogly2012>bastards
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05:45:50  <Moogly2012>either way, the adverts are kind of bad when you're going on the website with family around you
05:45:53  <CaffeineAddict>what did you have printing that was making noise?
05:46:10  <Moogly2012>LOL
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05:46:40  <Moogly2012>I wonder if at the NSA they have a collection of funniest things they've logged
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05:46:45  <CaffeineAddict>picturing an old dot matrix going to town in the back room
05:46:59  <Moogly2012>like imagine the most awkward conversation you've had
05:47:07  <gurke_>good morning. :)
05:47:17  <Moogly2012>is being laughed at by someone somewhere
05:47:21  <CaffeineAddict>morning
05:47:50  <Moogly2012>good morning
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05:48:11  <Moogly2012>still trying to figure out how alsamixer works
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05:48:21  <Moogly2012>last time I used it, I screwed up all sound on my computer
05:48:37  <crapwagon>Frans_Amsterdam: did u enable mod rewrite
05:48:45  <crapwagon>woops
05:48:54  <CaffeineAddict>meh, im betting the the stuff the NSA has logged is more to the tune of "The most disappointing thing about learning telepathy is finding out how boring people really are"
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05:49:16  <Moogly2012>haha
05:49:35  <Moogly2012>or how perverted they really are
05:49:42  <crapwagon>the problem is without guns (not saying guns should be a thing) the only way to correct the government is through being able to organise in private
05:49:53  <Moogly2012>wasn't it the senators who were pissed when they found out they were being monitored too? or something like that
05:49:58  <crapwagon>that's the primary threat of survelence, democracy itself is threatened
05:50:19  <Moogly2012>democracy?
05:50:25  <Moogly2012>aren't we a republic?
05:50:26  <CaffeineAddict>thats kinda dumb though ... because senators are monitored anyway cause its the law
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05:50:50  <CaffeineAddict>all government officials sign there rights away to that stuff when they take office
05:50:52  <Moogly2012>so someone somewhere knows how many prostitutes they solicit
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05:51:07  <Moogly2012>they just turn a blind eye
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05:51:41  <CaffeineAddict>well, the information is out there ... just that most people dont care enough to find it
05:51:50  <Moogly2012>suppose
05:52:08  <crapwagon>i'm not from america Moogly2012
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05:52:17  <crapwagon>but the exact same NSA concerns exist here thanks to five eyes
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05:52:28  <CaffeineAddict>scary part is now that datamining by computers is becoming more and more popular ... its not a matter of if the data will be found in the massive pile of nothingness ... bur rather when it will be found
05:52:31  <crapwagon>the issue is about private organisation and discussion
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05:52:54  <crapwagon>if you look at what happened leading up to the spanish inquisition, we explicitly have a human case for analysis where data and inability to organise caused massive harm
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05:53:08  <crapwagon>to a lesser extent the communist witch trials in the US
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05:53:31  <crapwagon>that's what privacy is, ensuring we can organise to regulate government and facilitate democratic action
05:53:40  <crapwagon>yada yada 1984 (shit book, but)
05:53:44  <Moogly2012>haha
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05:53:54  <Moogly2012>never read it
05:53:58  <crapwagon>it's shit literature
05:54:01  <crapwagon>but topical obv
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05:54:14  <Moogly2012>everyone brags about it, but I can live life without knowing it exists just fine
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05:54:28  <Moogly2012>I'll wait for a movie remake or something
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05:54:41  <JBreit>think it was more about the stuff left unsaid than what was said in 1984 as it did alright at painting the picture despite the storyline being shit
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05:54:55  <JBreit>Moogly2012, i doubt the movie would get any better than the original
05:54:56  <JBreit>heh
05:55:06  <JBreit>they would probably stress the love story even more these days
05:55:17  <Moogly2012>they would probably have to redo it based on today's "facts"
05:55:20  <Moogly2012>and give it a new name
05:55:28  <JBreit>oh in that case
05:55:30  <Moogly2012>but everyone would attribute it to 1984
05:55:31  <crapwagon>anyway, more eloquent people than i have argued for the right to private communication in the defense of democracy for decades now
05:55:31  <JBreit>V for Vendetta
05:55:33  <JBreit>xD
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05:55:44  <Moogly2012>but was V for Vendetta really about surveillance?
05:56:01  <JBreit>the underlying social structure is Facist like in 1984
05:56:01  <crapwagon>if anyone brags about 1984, know that it's a shit bit of literature, but a fair and salient idea
05:56:03  <Moogly2012>I mean it was their "weapon", but the movie didn't make me feel paranoid about surveillance anyway
05:56:13  <crapwagon>v for vendetta is about anarchy: which is self responsibility at it's purist form
05:56:25  <crapwagon>anaonymous, the movies, etc, have just muddied alan moores vision
05:56:32  <Moogly2012>yeah I know
05:56:35  <JBreit>but the system in place was the facist regime
05:56:38  <JBreit>modernized
05:56:41  <JBreit>but still facist
05:56:47  <Moogly2012>Anonymous was just a concept back in the day, now it's a "group of hackers"
05:56:51  <Moogly2012>I hate the media sometimes
05:56:51  <crapwagon>the system in place is centralised authority regardless of the era
05:56:58  <crapwagon>it's a love letter to anarchism
05:57:02  <JBreit>moore wrote that long before current society standards when the movie was made
05:57:07  <JBreit>think he wrote that in like the 80s
05:57:27  <crapwagon>his book from hell is amazing and made me realise that graphic novels aren't for barely literate peasants
05:57:34  <JBreit>man when I read anonymous i still think 4chan /b/ lulz
05:57:40  <Moogly2012>same
05:57:55  <Moogly2012>I left all that behind in 2008 though, it got really bad
05:57:56  <crapwagon>hey, bash is a virus now too!
05:57:57  <JBreit>"oh there goes some pedos again"
05:57:58  <JBreit>lol
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05:58:08  <Moogly2012>unless you're on windows 98 it's not
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05:58:29  <Moogly2012>4chan really irritated me with all the murder videos and stuff
05:58:30  <JBreit>as for something more topical
05:58:36  <Moogly2012>I don't want to see any of that, it's disturbing
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05:58:40  <JBreit>can't wait until I get better with angularjs
05:58:44  <Moogly2012>along with worse things
05:58:47  <JBreit>going to have so much fun with it on my node stack
05:58:48  <JBreit>:D
05:59:11  <Moogly2012>luckily they ban the perverts and report them etc
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05:59:19  <Moogly2012>so I never bumped into those nasty threads
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05:59:35  <JBreit>i found out about it cause of some younger computer geek i know
05:59:43  <Moogly2012>why would someone prefer angular over ember?
05:59:44  <JBreit>before he posted memes I never heard of it lol
05:59:52  <JBreit>i haven't worked with ember much
05:59:56  <JBreit>more used to backbone
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06:00:05  <Moogly2012>I tried ember first and loved it, no idea how angular is
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06:01:05  <CaffeineAddict>i have heard both good and bad about angular
06:01:22  <stephen>Angular is awesome
06:01:31  <CaffeineAddict>why
06:01:32  <stephen>I develop in it on a daily basis.
06:02:08  <Moogly2012>I'm only just diving into web development from server development, so I'm just "going all in" and trying whatever I can
06:02:11  <stephen>Because of how it scopes data, it's reliance on promises, and data-binding
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06:02:44  <stephen>CaffeineAddict, it has a bit of a learning curve, but once directives/services/controllers clicks, it's dirt simple
06:02:45  <CaffeineAddict>meh, last night people where pretty much saying the exact opposite
06:03:01  <stephen>I'm not trying to be fan boi, I use it daily
06:03:09  <CaffeineAddict>they said angular is googles attempt to allow java programers to write javascript
06:03:10  <stephen>It's a matter of how it's used I suppose
06:03:15  <stephen>HAHAHA
06:03:18  <stephen>Not at all
06:03:21  <stephen>I hate Java
06:03:33  <Moogly2012>I remember hearing something similar in ##javascript
06:03:40  <Moogly2012>"if you like java, you'll love angular.js"
06:03:45  <Moogly2012>I hate java though
06:03:45  <stephen>Earnestly, I'm a .Net developer server side, and I write Javascript front end code
06:03:56  <Moogly2012>C# and Java are cousins
06:03:56  <stephen>Been writing javascript for 15 years
06:04:07  <stephen>been writing C# 8
06:04:17  <stephen>PHP for 15
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06:04:26  <Moogly2012>hmm
06:04:33  <stephen>If you are a fan of MVC, Angular is really well done
06:04:49  <CaffeineAddict>yah, i looked at php and gagged hard
06:04:50  <stephen>It places a lot of structure on Javascript. Some people like that, others dont.
06:04:55  <Moogly2012>LOL
06:05:19  <Moogly2012>that's how Ember.js is
06:05:22  <Moogly2012>I love it
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06:05:25  <CaffeineAddict>i love python, and am slowly learning node.js via coffeescript
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06:05:41  <Moogly2012>instead of relying on the server-side to manage your templates, the front-end handles that
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06:05:50  <Moogly2012>the server-side just has to send in the JSON etc
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06:06:22  <stephen>ergh
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06:06:25  <stephen>CoffeeScript
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06:06:33  <stephen>Though, if you're coming from python, I get it
06:06:37  <Moogly2012>I used to hate JavaScript, but trying out Ember.js made me like it
06:06:40  <stephen>They give well together
06:06:46  <stephen>jive^
06:07:01  <CaffeineAddict>yah
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06:07:19  <CaffeineAddict>{ } ; be damned
06:07:20  <Moogly2012>duno, I was learning Python before I considered JS, still am, but I don't want to learn coffeescript, at least not yet
06:07:37  <Moogly2012>I come from a background of c-like languages though, so that is part of it
06:07:40  <choop>how's it go? "CoffeeScript: code in one language, debug in another"
06:07:45  <JBreit>I don't know anyone that really uses coffeescript
06:07:47  <Havvy>Moogly2012: Never learn Coffeescript. ;)
06:07:47  <Moogly2012>haha
06:07:53  <CaffeineAddict>meh, i can still debug javascript ... but coffeescript keeps me from making stupid errors
06:08:01  <CaffeineAddict>and makes building classes alot easier
06:08:03  <Moogly2012>unless I have to learn coffeescript I don't think I'll bother much with it
06:08:08  <Havvy>Coffeescript also causes you to create entire new classes of errors.
06:08:19  <CaffeineAddict>oh buddy, here we go again
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06:08:25  <Moogly2012>although Atom seems to love coffeescript
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06:08:40  <stephen>If you can stand debugging with it, enjoy.
06:08:44  <arkie>quick question
06:08:47  <arkie>im running this https://github.com/edsu/anon
06:08:53  <stephen>I personally don't like the process
06:08:56  <arkie>when i do ./anon.coffee to run the config its all good
06:09:04  <stephen>It's all about what fits your team's workflow
06:09:07  <arkie>but if i close my ssh session, it seems the script no longer works
06:09:09  <stephen>No right or wrong here really
06:09:18  <arkie>what do i need to do to have it running all the time?
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06:09:33  <Mia>Oh dang, I can't get arund this and find a solution
06:09:33  <stephen>arkie, run "screen"
06:09:43  <stephen>then execute it in a second screen
06:09:54  <stephen>arkie, then Ctrl+A, D
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06:10:08  <arkie>oh ok
06:10:18  <stephen>arkie, second option, run "./anon.coffee &"
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06:10:40  <stephen>Remind me: Will that remain running folks?
06:10:44  <awaterma>I like forever
06:10:46  <arkie>so that 1 command ./anon.coffee & will keep it running when i exit the ssh session stephen ?
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06:10:59  <Moogly2012>if you use screen yes
06:11:00  <Mia>Actually arkie you're askng the question I want to find answer to!
06:11:02  <Mia>for the last few hours
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06:11:07  <stephen>arkie, I forget if & will, running screen and running it definitely will
06:11:15  <awaterma>arkie, that will background the process for you. If it has an unrecoverable error, it won't respond anymore.
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06:11:43  <Mia>stephan what does screen do, I mean I get that it runs the thing at the backgroun (? maybe technically incorrect)
06:11:46  <stephen>arkie, http://www.rackaid.com/blog/linux-screen-tutorial-and-how-to/
06:11:52  <awaterma>Yea
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06:12:13  <Mia>so in the case of a server restart,
06:12:17  <Mia>does screen auto run the things
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06:12:21  <stephen>Nope
06:12:23  <Mia>hm
06:12:39  <stephen>Screen is simply access to multiple consoles
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06:12:43  <Mia>I'm trying to find the easiest and most solid way to make multiple apps work on a single vps
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06:12:53  <arkie>so within kitty, i just did
06:12:54  <arkie>cd anon
06:12:55  <stephen>Think of it like Virtual Desktops for the console
06:12:55  <Mia>prefferably with their own subdomains
06:12:58  <arkie>screen
06:12:58  <jglover>could somebody explain what the node-generic does, and is used for ?https://github.com/coopernurse/node-pool
06:13:00  <Moogly2012>you wouldn't usually restart your server unless you update the kernel
06:13:03  <arkie>and then ./anon.coffee
06:13:07  <jglover>node-ppol rather
06:13:07  <arkie>and thats all i gotta do?
06:13:10  <arkie>then close the window?
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06:13:34  <stephen>Mia: https://github.com/nodejitsu/forever
06:13:35  <arkie>oh, the ctrl+a, d part
06:13:58  <stephen>arkie, yeah, that switches back to your main console
06:14:07  <stephen>then close
06:14:09  <arkie>can i close the main console though?
06:14:11  <arkie>okay cool
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06:14:23  <Mia>stephen, this is a port only solution as well, right?
06:14:34  <arkie>when i type 'screen' nothing seems to happen stephen
06:14:35  <stephen>when you open a new ssh session, use screen -R to get the screen back
06:14:42  <Mia>I mean, what's the most solid way of doing this, normally. Let's say, for the "production" or the "product"
06:14:47  <stephen>arkie: what distro you running?
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06:14:57  <arkie>how do i find that out again?
06:14:58  <arkie>what command
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06:15:02  <arkie>its a server i rent
06:15:05  <stephen>uname -a
06:15:13  <stephen>cat /etc/lsb-release
06:15:24  <arkie>3.15.2-hardened-whatbox #1 SMP Wed Jul 2 05:37:50 UTC 2014 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5620 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
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06:15:34  <Moogly2012>o.o
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06:16:25  <stephen>arkie, Gentoo?
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06:16:39  <Moogly2012>looks like it
06:16:45  <arkie>yeah i think it is
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06:17:43  <stephen>arkie, try "emerge screen"
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06:17:59  <arkie>~/anon $ emerge screen
06:17:59  <arkie>Permission denied: '/usr/local/portage/eclass'
06:18:02  <arkie>i dont have root access
06:18:05  <stephen>arkie, try "sudo emerge screen"
06:18:07  <stephen>hah
06:18:11  <Moogly2012>oh boy
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06:18:14  <stephen>arkie, that could be a problem
06:18:18  <arkie>really?
06:18:21  <Moogly2012>yes
06:18:22  <arkie>fuck
06:18:28  <Moogly2012>haha
06:18:29  <arkie>is there any way around it?
06:18:37  <Moogly2012>it's called Windows
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06:18:51  <stephen>arkie: https://github.com/nodejitsu/forever
06:18:56  <Moogly2012>or that
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06:20:18  <arkie>you need root to install that is seems stephen
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06:20:48  <stephen>arkie, You're going to need some service to run to keep it going
06:21:11  <CaffeineAddict>you should only need root to install it globaly
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06:21:21  <stephen>If you don't have the access to install things, then you won't be able to keep a process running when you end your session
06:21:31  <arkie>oh i can install that
06:21:34  <arkie>ok so ill install it
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06:22:14  <stephen>arkie, But earnestly, if you don't have root access to the box, contact your administrator in regards to how they intend you to run services.
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06:22:25  <diegoaguilar>Hello, are thre any linux packages which node.js may require in order to be properly installed, I'm asking as ruby has got some like lib1g-dev build-essential libssl-dev libreadline-dev libyaml-dev libsqlite3-dev sqlite3 libxml2-dev libxslt1-dev libcurl4-openssl-dev python-software-properties
06:22:33  <stephen>Not that it can't be done, but the admin likely has a very specific avenue in mind
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06:22:48  <stephen>diegoaguilar, quite a few
06:22:52  <arkie>stephen, http://pastebin.com/iRx75k6S
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06:23:03  <Moogly2012>diegoaguilar, what OS are you trying to install it from?
06:23:13  <arkie>did it work?
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06:23:27  <diegoaguilar>Moogly2012, stephen at a bits Ubuntu
06:23:28  <CaffeineAddict>diegoaguilar: install or build from source?
06:23:37  <diegoaguilar>build from source
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06:23:43  <Moogly2012>ah
06:23:57  <diegoaguilar>actually any 64 bits debian like OS
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06:24:16  <stephen>arkie, yes, but 0.13?
06:24:40  <stephen>arkie, I think someone has installed note from the master branch on github
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06:24:56  <arkie>i installed node
06:24:56  <stephen>which is wrong
06:25:03  <stephen>arkie: How did you install it?
06:25:06  <CaffeineAddict>diegoaguilar: https://github.com/joyent/node
06:25:13  <CaffeineAddict>* GCC 4.2 or newer
06:25:13  <CaffeineAddict>* G++ 4.2 or newer
06:25:13  <CaffeineAddict>* Python 2.6 or 2.7
06:25:13  <CaffeineAddict>* GNU Make 3.81 or newer
06:25:13  <CaffeineAddict>* libexecinfo (FreeBSD and OpenBSD only)
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06:25:19  <arkie>yep
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06:25:21  <arkie>used joyent
06:25:22  <arkie>https://github.com/joyent/node
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06:25:39  <diegoaguilar>that's it ... they're pretty ... standard actually
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06:25:44  <stephen>arkie, ok, you forgot to check out a tag
06:25:45  <diegoaguilar>I install build-essential
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06:25:48  <CaffeineAddict>yah, its not that bad to install
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06:26:11  <Moogly2012>on CentOS it's just: yum install gcc gcc-c++ automake autoconf libtoolize make
06:26:23  <CaffeineAddict>im a windows nub ... and I have installed it on 3 nix boxes .. and one was even a ras pi
06:26:38  <Moogly2012>pretty sure yum could be replaced with apt-get, maybe one package might have a different name if anything
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06:26:44  <stephen>arkie, after doing your git clone, you needed to do "git checkout v0.10.32"
06:26:54  <CaffeineAddict>yah, but if yum is like apt-get ... the versions on it are OLD
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06:26:57  <arkie>what difference does it make?
06:26:59  <diegoaguilar>actually I already did, but Im tuning my system
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06:27:10  <arkie>and can i still do it/should i?
06:27:11  <diegoaguilar>I wanted to make sure I got it all right
06:27:22  <stephen>arkie, the master branch has code that isn't completed yet. There is no 0.13.x
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06:27:26  <diegoaguilar>somtimes I download source and comple
06:27:31  <diegoaguilar>sometimes I use chris lea ppa
06:27:31  <Moogly2012>yeah yum tends to lag behind, and in some cases so does ubuntu
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06:27:36  <diegoaguilar>as I guess its really up to date
06:27:42  <Moogly2012>that's where people usually end up using a ppa
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06:27:47  <CaffeineAddict>diegoaguilar: what do you get when you type `node --version`
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06:27:48  <arkie>should i still run that command now stephen ?
06:27:51  <stephen>arkie, you should remove and reinstall it
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06:28:12  <diegoaguilar>0.10.32
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06:28:18  <CaffeineAddict>yep, your good
06:28:18  <stephen>arkie, I'm sorry to say, you're going to have to recompile it all over again if your intent is to build from source
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06:28:26  <CaffeineAddict>and how about `npm --version`
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06:28:43  <diegoaguilar>1.4.28
06:28:48  <CaffeineAddict>welcome to node
06:28:52  <Moogly2012>haha
06:28:55  <diegoaguilar>lol
06:29:01  <arkie>stephen, the network admin just told me screen is already installed and available for use
06:29:03  <diegoaguilar>ive been using node for over 6 months
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06:29:32  <diegoaguilar>I really like it, some stuff wish was simpler BUT i guess i must learn more stuff ... like admin modules and even grunt or similar
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06:29:56  <diegoaguilar>btw I have a very silly ... but curiosity worth question
06:30:01  <CaffeineAddict>i heard gulp was the replacement for grunt
06:30:03  <stephen>arkie, you still need to recompile node with 0.10.32
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06:30:05  <CaffeineAddict>havnt played w/ it yet though
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06:30:13  <diegoaguilar>maybe I should have googled roadmap first ...
06:30:22  <diegoaguilar>but what would node offer at a 1.0 version
06:30:24  <stephen>arkie Get that done first. The master branch WILL fail
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06:30:37  <diegoaguilar>OR why do they stick to this versioning
06:30:46  <arkie>ok stephen
06:30:54  <Moogly2012>probably because everything is still considered experimental is my guess
06:30:54  <arkie>first how do i remove this forever thing seeing as i dont need it now
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06:31:16  <stephen>arkie, did you install it with npm?
06:31:20  <arkie>yes
06:31:27  <Moogly2012>although different projects use different versioning standards
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06:31:37  <stephen>arkie: "npm remove forever"
06:31:46  <diegoaguilar>that's my main question ... I live in Mexico in Puebla city (trust me Mexico is not like they picture in movies) we're not that bad
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06:31:59  <Moogly2012>I've been to mexico
06:32:01  <diegoaguilar>but I guess at production, quite "anyone" heard of node :(
06:32:06  <arkie>~ $ npm remove forever
06:32:06  <arkie>npm WARN uninstall not installed in /mnt/sdh1/arkie/node_modules: "forever"
06:32:07  <stephen>arkie: next, you probably still have the node source cloned somewhere, yeah?
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06:32:19  <diegoaguilar>at least not in this city where I live for 4 years
06:32:24  <Moogly2012>people still think node is just a new trend that will fade away
06:32:28  <stephen>arkie: "npm remove forever -g"
06:32:30  <stephen>sorry
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06:32:54  <arkie>stephen, this is the guide i followed https://whatbox.ca/wiki/nodejs
06:32:56  <arkie>to install
06:33:00  <diegoaguilar>but Ive googled and seen at StackOverflow and I guess at least in Europe it's pretty a strong trend
06:33:16  <diegoaguilar>used as main production technology for serious projects
06:33:21  <Moogly2012>yeah it seems to be picking up momentum
06:33:37  <Moogly2012>I know Walmart is using it and MySpace is powered fully by it
06:33:44  <Moogly2012>even though MySpace is a lost cause by now
06:33:48  <diegoaguilar>hehe
06:34:07  <diegoaguilar>Walmart at .... his website ... his backend admin web apps?
06:34:10  <JBreit>linkedin uses it for their mobile platform iirc
06:34:25  <Moogly2012>not sure I saw a video of it on the nodejs website somewhere
06:34:37  <stephen>arkie, Yeah, it seems to have skipped the step
06:34:44  <CaffeineAddict>diegoaguilar: ever heard of the tiny little company called paypal ...
06:34:47  <CaffeineAddict>they use it
06:34:55  <Moogly2012>tiny?
06:34:59  <CaffeineAddict>;p
06:35:00  <diegoaguilar>lol CaffeineAddict
06:35:04  <stephen>arkie, cd to your node directory
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06:35:11  <Moogly2012>which reminds me, I owe them money still
06:35:13  <diegoaguilar>yes, heard of this tiny company
06:35:16  <diegoaguilar>and heard they use it
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06:35:32  <arkie>yep, done that stephen
06:35:40  <diegoaguilar>I just wonder what's node lacking of?
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06:36:07  <Moogly2012>not sure, you can even develop desktop applications with it through node-webkit
06:36:08  <stephen>arkie: "git checkout v0.10.32"
06:36:16  <stephen>arkie: "git pull"
06:36:27  <arkie>am i gonna have to re do the script?
06:36:28  <Moogly2012>so it's not just limited to server-side development
06:36:31  <arkie>or is this just a nodejs thing
06:36:46  <stephen>you will have to rebuild, yes
06:36:49  <diegoaguilar>and how can I convice people to migrate to node when they're sometimes using Java frameworks which even good, they're used at a 10% ... they even buy software or tutoring just because any employee might have learned Java at uni
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06:37:13  <stephen>basically, after the "git pull", follow the directions on your tutorial from step 5
06:37:17  <Moogly2012>well there's the whole, one language in the front-end and the back-end argument and such
06:37:31  <arkie>stephen still need to recompile node with 0.10.32
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06:37:44  <arkie>~/.config/nodejs $ git checkout v0.10.32
06:37:44  <arkie>fatal: Not a git repository (or any parent up to mount point /mnt/sdh1)
06:37:44  <arkie>Stopping at filesystem boundary (GIT_DISCOVERY_ACROSS_FILESYSTEM not set).
06:37:44  <diegoaguilar>yes, I find that as main con
06:38:10  <stephen>arkie: wrong directory
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06:38:30  <stephen>arkie, the node directory where you downloaded the original code, not /.config/nodejs
06:38:37  <stephen>Did you remove the source after compiling?
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06:38:57  <diegoaguilar>I love Node
06:39:17  <Moogly2012>so think of all the things you love about it
06:39:18  <Moogly2012>and sell it
06:39:27  <diegoaguilar>:)
06:39:34  <Moogly2012>find java alternatives on node to things they use
06:39:37  <stephen>arkie, if you used "https://whatbox.ca/wiki/nodejs", then you need to be in the directory you were in on step 4
06:39:41  <Moogly2012>and sell it
06:39:45  <stephen>arkie, then do the checkout and the pull
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06:40:01  <diegoaguilar>I only think Hibernate to be really great
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06:40:20  <Moogly2012>there's probably an alternative on node
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06:41:33  <Moogly2012>there's different ORM's on node though
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06:42:23  <diegoaguilar>Moogly2012, do you use node at work?
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06:42:33  <Moogly2012>diegoaguilar, http://nodejs.org/video/ <- what I was talking about, he talks about migrating from Java to Node I believe
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06:42:49  <diegoaguilar>great, thanks Moogly2012
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06:42:58  <Moogly2012>diegoaguilar, not really, I work as a programming tutor at my college
06:43:14  <diegoaguilar>in USA?
06:43:16  <Moogly2012>yeah
06:43:20  <arkie>stephen, so after step 4 i should add in the steps git checkout v0.10.32 and git pull?
06:43:27  <arkie>would that be all that needs to be added to the wiki?
06:43:37  <diegoaguilar>btw, are "college" and "university" the same there?
06:43:51  <Moogly2012>sort of
06:44:04  <Moogly2012>university is more expensive, college is usually for less time
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06:44:31  <diegoaguilar>like college gives essential knowledge and u will end it faster after all
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06:44:53  <Moogly2012>college saves you money, and what you study there gets transfered when you go to university
06:45:19  <Moogly2012>I'm glad I didn't go straight to a university, I would of ripped my hair out by now
06:45:28  <diegoaguilar>lol
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06:45:36  <arkie>stephen, i also cant get to the folder where i intially downloaded (using cd node) i removed the steup files in step 9
06:45:42  <diegoaguilar>so like UCLA MIT Harvard are universities
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06:46:21  <Moogly2012>yes
06:46:30  <diegoaguilar>famous colleges are..
06:46:40  <Moogly2012>no idea
06:46:45  <Moogly2012>haha
06:46:52  <diegoaguilar>lol
06:46:54  <Moogly2012>college is only usually a 2 year school
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06:47:10  <diegoaguilar>awesome
06:47:13  <diegoaguilar>:P
06:47:15  <stephen>arkie, Then start from step 1
06:47:19  <Moogly2012>all I know is my college was considered "#1" in the country when I started going there
06:47:20  <nightfly>Also, universities are made up of many "colleges" which can be groups of different related departments
06:47:25  <diegoaguilar>well I study CS at a public university
06:47:26  <Moogly2012>but I doubt anyone outside of Florida has heard of it
06:47:41  <stephen>arkie, between step 4 & 5, add "git checkout v0.10.32" and "git pull"
06:47:45  <stephen>That will do you
06:47:54  <ljharb>git fetch - no need for pull
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06:48:07  <ljharb>pull is destructive, and is just a macro for "fetch and merge"
06:48:17  <Moogly2012>didn't know that
06:48:21  <ljharb>and you can't merge a tag anyways
06:48:26  <ljharb>`git fetch && git checkout v0.10.32` is better
06:48:35  <ljharb>also `git pull --rebase` is always better, because merge commits suck
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06:50:33  <stephen>ljharb, fair enough
06:50:37  <arkie>ok stephen, so do the whole thing over again from step 1
06:50:40  <arkie>with those additional steps
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06:50:49  <arkie>then re do the script that i deployed before as well
06:51:08  <diegoaguilar>I cant believe git is relatively young
06:51:17  <Moogly2012>is it?
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06:51:33  <Moogly2012>oh wow '05
06:51:44  <diegoaguilar>yep
06:51:45  <ljharb>i can't imagine a life without git
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06:51:59  <ljharb>lol, nearly every system i build ends up becoming git anyways :-p
06:52:00  <diegoaguilar>I really really thought it was like 15 years at least
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06:52:07  <Moogly2012>it took Linus getting irritated with the version control software he was using
06:52:14  <diegoaguilar>yep
06:52:24  <diegoaguilar>I guess they changed the license
06:52:24  <irc_smirk>the linux guy made git?
06:52:27  <Moogly2012>I think he was using something that was proprietary
06:52:27  <diegoaguilar>yep
06:52:31  <Moogly2012>yeah
06:52:33  <irc_smirk>all by himself?
06:52:34  <diegoaguilar>the first commit made using git
06:52:41  <Moogly2012>pretty sure at first he did
06:52:42  <diegoaguilar>was the whole linux kernel
06:52:46  <Moogly2012>but I mean... he coded a Kernel...
06:52:54  <irc_smirk>i feel like a sub par loser
06:52:57  <Moogly2012>coding your own version control software is nothing after that
06:53:05  <Zak>irc_smirk: at least you only feel like a sub par one
06:53:07  <diegoaguilar>lol, yes
06:53:12  <Moogly2012>haha
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06:53:30  <irc_smirk>idea
06:53:32  <ljharb>http://tom.preston-werner.com/2009/05/19/the-git-parable.html is a good read
06:53:36  <Moogly2012>that also explains why git is the way it is
06:53:37  <diegoaguilar>I think coding a kernel requires 95% of CS topics
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06:54:00  <Moogly2012>you're bound to write Assembly code when working on a kernel
06:54:06  <Moogly2012>so it's a pain
06:54:11  <LouisT>is the .js in node.js usually capitalized? like "Node.JS"?
06:54:12  <diegoaguilar>yep
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06:54:39  <diegoaguilar>that yep wasnt for u LouisT
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06:54:53  <LouisT>yea i assumed so, i can follow other convos =P
06:54:57  <Moogly2012>I don't think the js is capitalized
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06:55:08  <LouisT>yea, i didn't either.. hm
06:55:11  <Moogly2012>it's a file extension
06:55:17  <Moogly2012>and people don't usually capitalize them
06:55:25  <Moogly2012>I know it's part of the name, but I think of it that way
06:55:37  <CaffeineAddict>cept for the logo nodejs.org refers to itself as Node.js
06:55:53  <Moogly2012>yeah the node is capitalize, not the extension
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06:56:20  <Moogly2012>Node.js looks fine, and reads fine
06:56:20  <LouisT>also, another dumb naming convention question, with JS vars is it usually "camelCase" or "CamelCase"? i assume the former
06:56:34  <Moogly2012>it's usually the former
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06:56:36  <CaffeineAddict>personal pref
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06:56:49  <ggreer>CamelCase for classes, camelCase for variables
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06:56:51  <Moogly2012>the latter I think is only used for classes or similar cases
06:57:03  <LouisT>ah ok, thought so
06:57:11  <diegoaguilar>LouisT, Id dare to say that no matter which language
06:57:16  <ggreer>although I come from C so I often use under_scores
06:57:20  <diegoaguilar>if you speak about camel case
06:57:30  <Moogly2012>except Pascal
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06:57:35  <diegoaguilar>is camelCase for variables and CamelCase for classes or POO stuff
06:57:36  <Moogly2012>but that's for dinosaurs
06:57:56  <Moogly2012>underscores is more of a ruby thing I think
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06:58:40  <CaffeineAddict>never understood why c and python people hate _
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06:59:03  <ggreer>what? I love _. I use it in all my C and python
06:59:15  <Moogly2012>I guess it depends on who is doing what
06:59:16  <CaffeineAddict>I remember the first time I posted a piece of code in #python ... and it had _variables
06:59:20  <CaffeineAddict>people freaked out
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06:59:33  <Moogly2012>python does have it's own standards though
06:59:38  <Moogly2012>pip8 or whatever it's called
06:59:57  <ggreer>pep8
07:00:10  <ggreer>pip is the package manager for pypi
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07:00:22  <CaffeineAddict>naw, package manager for python
07:00:29  <CaffeineAddict>if pip uses it ... its cause can
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07:00:48  <CaffeineAddict>rather if pypi uses it ... its cause can
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07:01:21  <Moogly2012>no pip8 is what the standardization is called
07:01:29  <Moogly2012>idk why they call it the same as the tool
07:01:30  <irc_smirk>you guys think there would be any demand for an irc client that displays mesages in large font
07:01:39  <Moogly2012>tbh I never understood any of it haha
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07:01:42  <ggreer>Moogly2012: you mean pep8?
07:01:45  <Moogly2012>oh right
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07:01:48  <Moogly2012>it's pep
07:01:50  <Moogly2012>LOL
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07:02:01  <Moogly2012>I feel so stupid
07:02:03  <ggreer>there are many peps: http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/
07:02:09  <ggreer>aka Python Enhancement Proposals
07:02:29  <Moogly2012>yeah
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07:03:15  <Moogly2012>I guess my memory is bad
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07:03:52  <Moogly2012>PEP8 though is what I was on about
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07:04:38  <diegoaguilar>hey if u speak about python ... is there any ... package.js equivalent
07:04:41  <ljharb>LouisT: it's node.js
07:04:42  <diegoaguilar>to python projects
07:04:42  <Moogly2012>wait Python still uses SVN?
07:04:47  <ljharb>lulz
07:04:52  <CaffeineAddict>isnt pep8 a ASM simulator
07:04:58  <diegoaguilar>using either pip or something
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07:05:15  <Moogly2012>no idea on that one
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07:06:15  <Moogly2012>setup.py?
07:06:15  <LouisT>ljharb: are you sure? I see "Node.js" on the site often
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07:06:33  <LouisT>such as "Copyright 2014 Joyent, Inc, Node.js is a trademark of Joyent, Inc. View license."
07:06:36  <ljharb>hm, yeah you're right
07:06:38  <ljharb>Node.js then
07:06:43  <ljharb>capitals are silly tho
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07:06:56  <LouisT>trying to stick to naming conventions heh
07:06:59  <diegoaguilar>btw how joyent's node is
07:07:03  <diegoaguilar>did it being there?
07:07:15  <LouisT>uhhh what
07:07:16  <diegoaguilar>or joyent just took it and gave support
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07:08:10  <Moogly2012>I think they just provide sponsorship / support probably
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07:08:56  <ljharb>iirc, joyent hired the original creators, and provided sponsorship and support, and also took ownership of the IP rights
07:09:26  <ljharb>not 100% certain tho
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07:11:15  <Moogly2012>possibly
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07:12:02  <diegoaguilar>look at what i just found at joyent's site
07:12:04  <diegoaguilar>http://readwrite.com/2014/08/22/nodejs-node-js-tj-fontaine-version-10
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07:14:46  <CaffeineAddict>?
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07:14:54  <irc_smirk>sorry guys
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07:15:02  <irc_smirk>that is my node-red script
07:15:06  <diegoaguilar>lol
07:15:11  <irc_smirk>im trying to kill it
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07:15:21  <irc_smirk>ill test it in its own room. sorry
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07:15:25  <diegoaguilar>turn off the energy power
07:15:32  <diegoaguilar>:P
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07:15:43  <irc_smirk>is there a way to read irc messages?
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07:16:13  <CaffeineAddict>im sure there is
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07:16:21  <CaffeineAddict>i remember doing it in python a few years ago
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07:16:46  <irc_smirk>not out of the box it seems. surely you can wrap some other node code
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07:17:26  <irc_smirk>caffeineaddict - have you checked out node-red?
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07:19:39  <CaffeineAddict>naw, too busy playing w/ my own stuff
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07:22:03  <irc_smirk>what kind of projects are you doing?
07:22:22  <CaffeineAddict>http://ca.ffeineaddiction.com/bluehouse.html
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07:23:41  <CaffeineAddict>thats the only project I can actualy show off atm
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07:23:52  <diegoaguilar>domotics?
07:23:58  <MI6>joyent/libuv: Saúl Ibarra Corretgé v1.x * e4dc4aa : doc: add documentation for missing functions and structures - http://git.io/eXK42Q
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07:24:10  <CaffeineAddict>domotics?
07:24:11  <scc>CaffeineAddict: Home monitoring/automation?
07:24:50  <scc>CaffeineAddict: I had to look it up also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_automation ("Domotic" redirects here.")
07:24:51  <CaffeineAddict>scc: yah ... my dad set up a solar array in hawaii (his retirement home)
07:24:57  <irc_smirk>sweet
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07:25:02  <CaffeineAddict>wanted me to build a controll system for it
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07:25:38  <scc>CaffeineAddict: Nice. I swear this stuff is like crack for coders/it people
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07:25:54  <CaffeineAddict>lol, yah
07:26:04  <irc_smirk>node-red would be perfect for home automation dude
07:26:13  <CaffeineAddict>I wrote him the initial version in python while I was over there on vacation
07:26:24  <CaffeineAddict>and now 2 years later he gave me a laundry list of things he wanted added
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07:27:52  <diegoaguilar>CaffeineAddict, that's a solar powered place?
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07:27:58  <diegoaguilar>in Hawaii?
07:28:02  <CaffeineAddict>yah
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07:28:20  <diegoaguilar>nice :)
07:28:34  <CaffeineAddict>the diff relays control various things around the house
07:28:41  <diegoaguilar>how expensive is it to setup one there? (i guess stuff was all bought at hawai)
07:28:52  <CaffeineAddict>one charges his car ... another powers his fridge
07:29:09  <CaffeineAddict>naw, he purchased most of the equiptment in chicago
07:29:14  <CaffeineAddict>and shipped it there
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07:29:19  <diegoaguilar>nice :)
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07:29:35  <CaffeineAddict>he is an electrical eng
07:29:35  <diegoaguilar>over 2000 USD
07:29:36  <diegoaguilar>?
07:29:59  <irc_smirk>in hawaii milk is $10
07:30:00  <CaffeineAddict>not 100% sure ... think it was more than 1k less than 6k
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07:30:13  <CaffeineAddict>alot of it is custom though
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07:30:45  <diegoaguilar>well if you're building a new house
07:30:51  <CaffeineAddict>yah
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07:31:01  <diegoaguilar>I guess investing 5k usd is really worthy
07:31:05  <CaffeineAddict>growing up we had a solar array on the shed
07:31:15  <CaffeineAddict>so when he went to hawaii to build his dream home
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07:31:32  <CaffeineAddict>he was like i want what I had in illinos ... plus this and that and this new thing
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07:31:38  <CaffeineAddict>its his pet project
07:31:47  <diegoaguilar>I wish I could use my laptop and monitors 24/365 with out guilt
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07:32:13  <diegoaguilar>and coffee machine
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08:02:01  <CaffeineAddict>lol
08:02:02  <CaffeineAddict>found it
08:02:04  <CaffeineAddict>https://www.google.com/maps/@22.0875315,-159.3640481,143m/data=!3m1!1e3
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08:02:14  <CaffeineAddict>there is the house i light on fire if I mess up my code
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08:05:42  <node4js435>Hi
08:06:10  <node4js435>I need some help. How can I use the parameters passed by url in jquery with res.render?
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08:06:45  <scc>Got a newly bought/made look to it
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08:07:32  <scc>off to work now
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08:08:14  <CaffeineAddict><node4js435> not sure i understand
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08:09:12  <CaffeineAddict>what are you using for rendering
08:09:17  <CaffeineAddict>express?
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08:10:46  <node4js435>Yes
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08:10:53  <node4js435>For example
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08:11:09  <node4js435>I have http://example.com/sometoken
08:11:10  <CaffeineAddict>ok, lets back up a sec, what are you trying to do
08:11:18  <node4js435>and I have a route
08:11:27  <node4js435>app.get('/:token')
08:11:32  <CaffeineAddict>ok
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08:11:46  <node4js435>app.get('/:token', function() { ... } )
08:11:46  <CaffeineAddict>and what are you wanted to do w/ token
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08:11:58  <node4js435>inside the function I calll rs.render to render a view
08:12:11  <node4js435>in that view there's a form and a method post (using jquery)
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08:12:15  <node4js435>i want to use post with that token
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08:13:02  <node4js435>How can I get that token inside jquery?
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08:13:17  <CaffeineAddict>req.params['token']
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08:14:06  <node4js435>req?
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08:14:23  <node4js435>but how do I send it to the view?
08:14:30  <CaffeineAddict>well your function should be app.get('/:token', function(req,res) { ... } )
08:14:35  <CaffeineAddict>req is the request object
08:14:39  <node4js435>yes
08:14:39  <CaffeineAddict>res is the responce object
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08:15:04  <mightyiam>Hi and thank you for helping out here.
08:15:05  <node4js435>res.render('view', {token: req.params['token']})?
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08:15:21  <CaffeineAddict>something like that
08:15:29  <mightyiam>What do you use for creating simple DOM in the browser?
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08:15:51  <CaffeineAddict>req.params['token'] is how you get access to the var you passed in via URL
08:15:59  <node4js435>yes
08:15:59  <CaffeineAddict>how you render it is a whole diff topic
08:16:06  <CaffeineAddict>and that depends on what you are using to render
08:16:11  <CaffeineAddict>but that should get you started
08:16:20  <node4js435>swig
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08:16:31  <CaffeineAddict>mightyiam: simple DOM?
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08:16:41  <node4js435>(is there a simpler way?)
08:17:07  <CaffeineAddict>mightyiam: explain what your trying to do please
08:17:21  <CaffeineAddict>node4js435: simpler way to do what?
08:17:49  <mightyiam>CaffeineAddict, yea, some helper for producing DOM. I would like to refrain from writing HTML manually
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08:18:22  <mightyiam>Like, there's https://github.com/dominictarr/hyperscript
08:18:42  <CaffeineAddict>mightyiam: oh, templating
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08:19:02  <CaffeineAddict>you could also try angular
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08:19:06  <mightyiam>Well, I'm not actually going to use any data
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08:19:51  <CaffeineAddict>so you just want to make html w/ out writing html?
08:19:57  <mightyiam>So it shouldn't be overkill. But I don't mind it to be a beefier library, only that it would be just a `require` away
08:19:58  <CaffeineAddict>for like a static page?
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08:20:15  <mightyiam>Yes, that pretty much describes it
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08:20:34  <CaffeineAddict>yah, you want a templating engine
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08:20:57  <CaffeineAddict>http://jade-lang.com/
08:21:04  <mightyiam>Thank you CaffeineAddict
08:21:15  <CaffeineAddict>np
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08:42:52  <Gilgameshkun>I know that for the past year or two, node.js won't compile on cygwin. But are there any workarounds to make it run interact smoothly with cygwin?
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08:43:07  <Gilgameshkun>I keep getting conflicting information.
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08:43:50  <CaffeineAddict>um, why would you want it on cygwin?
08:43:58  <CaffeineAddict>it runs just fine in windows
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08:46:48  <Gilgameshkun>Because I use cygwin for lots of things, and it would be nice to at least be able to interface with node.js in a civilized fashion in my cygwin shell.
08:46:59  <Gilgameshkun>I never use the Windows command shell.
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08:50:50  <CaffeineAddict>you could use cygwin to telnet into a repl
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08:52:31  <CaffeineAddict>http://opensourcepack.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/nodejs-with-posix-path-support.html
08:52:50  <CaffeineAddict>some people have had success building Node.js 0.10 on MinGW+MSYS
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08:53:19  <Gilgameshkun>Okay. What is MSYS?
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08:54:14  <CaffeineAddict>hell if I know, i just googled "using node.js in cygwin" and came up w/ https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Building-node.js-on-cygwin-%28windows%29
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08:59:38  <diegoaguilar>CaffeineAddict, do you know about mongodb?
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08:59:50  <diegoaguilar>I really need help about settings :(
09:00:11  <CaffeineAddict>sorry, I know of mongodb ... but thats about it
09:00:21  <CaffeineAddict>I usualy use sqlite3 for most of my projects
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09:02:07  <diegoaguilar>ok
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09:05:33  <Mandy23> Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://is.gd/GHJqQj
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09:10:55  <scc>Yep. Surprise surprise. Thats porn.
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09:11:07  <CaffeineAddict>thank you noscript
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09:16:33  <Gilgameshkun>I suppose googling sensible searches has always been a weak point with me. Related to my stilted manner of speech.
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09:17:59  <CaffeineAddict>meh, google foo it takes time
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09:23:08  <Gilgameshkun>So, what is MSYS?
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09:24:49  <Gilgameshkun>Need water, afk.
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09:25:42  <CaffeineAddict>http://www.mingw.org/wiki/msys
09:25:52  <TyrfingMjolnir>Is version 0.10.25 reasonably new?
09:25:59  <RWOverdijk>Is it possible to detect if a string is a bcrypted string?
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09:26:20  <mrcloud>hello. Newby question. I have 2 days to learn nodejs and create an application. Is not to big but... enough. Im a Java developer with some experience in javascript. What do you think is the best resource to learn nodejs?
09:26:48  <CaffeineAddict>TyrfingMjolnir: Bleeding edge ... no ... newer than what most of the industry is using ... yes
09:26:50  <TyrfingMjolnir>I see current is: v0.10.32
09:27:11  <TyrfingMjolnir>OK, so following Ubuntu to repo could be OK?
09:27:24  <ljharb>TyrfingMjolnir: please don't use apt/yum to install node :-)
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09:27:31  <ljharb>install from source or use something like nvm.sh
09:27:33  <CaffeineAddict>RWOverdijk: not to my knowledge ... it will just be random data
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09:27:52  <TyrfingMjolnir>ljharb: curl <<what>> ?
09:27:57  <ljharb>TyrfingMjolnir: also anything not "latest" is too old; you should upgrade immediately
09:28:10  <CaffeineAddict>mrcloud: do you know javascript?
09:28:13  <RWOverdijk>CaffeineAddict, I know the string length is the same, and I can check if it starts with $2$, $2a$ or $2y$ but I doubt that's enough
09:28:16  * TyrfingMjolnirthings ljharb has a version fetish
09:28:20  <ljharb>TyrfingMjolnir: if you mean the nvm install script, `curl https://raw.githubusercontent.com/creationix/nvm/v0.17.2/install.sh | bash` ?
09:28:35  <ljharb>TyrfingMjolnir: the farther you are from the edge, the more you'll be cut ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
09:28:35  <Gilgameshkun>CaffeineAddict: Thank you for the link.
09:28:41  <CaffeineAddict>np
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09:29:31  <mrcloud>CaffeineAddict: yeah, I have experience with js and jquery. Not too much, but enough
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09:29:57  <TyrfingMjolnir>ljharb: and the next step?
09:30:16  <ljharb>after installing nvm? `nvm install 0.10 && nvm alias default 0.10`
09:30:32  <ljharb>then to upgrade later, `nvm install 0.10 --copy-packages-from=0.10`
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09:30:35  <TyrfingMjolnir>Where did this put nvm?
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09:30:37  <CaffeineAddict>mrcloud: can do hello world? can do OOP w/ classes and methods? understand callbacks?
09:30:40  <ljharb>in your user directory.
09:30:48  <ljharb>(in upcoming nvm versions, you'll be able to specify "stable" or "unstable" as well)
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09:31:05  <TyrfingMjolnir>Should I install as root?
09:31:06  <ljharb>CaffeineAddict: JS doesn't have classes :-) and OOP isn't often the best way to code it
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09:31:10  <ljharb>TyrfingMjolnir: no, that's the point
09:31:16  <CaffeineAddict>JS does have classes
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09:31:38  <ljharb>it most certainly does not
09:31:42  <hareth>that does not mean that you should use it =)
09:31:45  <TyrfingMjolnir>CaffeineAddict: What do you mean by understand callbacks?
09:31:48  <scc>RWOverdijk: Have you seen this link: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20629917/bcrypt-check-if-already-crypted Seems like it can be figured out via the prefix. But it can be spoofed...
09:31:58  <mrcloud>CaffeineAddict: I don't know too much about oop in javascript but I have no problems with callbacks, functions, etc
09:32:00  <TyrfingMjolnir>Every way a callback is used can trigger a different headache
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09:32:31  <CaffeineAddict>mrcloud: what are you trying to build w/ node? server? http / tcp / other
09:32:47  <RWOverdijk>scc, That was my idea precisely. Still feels wrong so I'll fix my code so I won't need the check. Thanks!
09:33:12  <mrcloud>CaffeineAddict: an small server to deliver xml&xslt/json files to the client
09:33:18  <hareth>heya!
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09:33:42  <CaffeineAddict>mrcloud: so a small restful api server?
09:33:48  <mrcloud>CaffeineAddict: the user request the file in the uri. For example /maths/4/xml
09:33:53  <mrcloud>CaffeineAddict: yep
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09:34:49  <CaffeineAddict>mrcloud: first check out this http://howtonode.org/hello-node
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09:35:20  <CaffeineAddict>after you look that over and install node / try some of the code out ... next stop would most likly be express
09:35:38  <mrcloud>CaffeineAddict: express framework?
09:35:39  <CaffeineAddict>http://expressjs.com/
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09:35:52  <TyrfingMjolnir>ljharb: It made me ~/.nvm but there is no nvm command
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09:36:08  <mrcloud>CaffeineAddict: ok. I was reading about total.js but Ill read about express.js instead
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09:36:18  <CaffeineAddict>mrcloud: there are other frameworks out there ... and express is a lil overkill for what your wanting to do
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09:36:28  <CaffeineAddict>but it has the best support w/ the most examples out there
09:36:42  <CaffeineAddict>so its a good place to start ... and then you can back off to something else if needed
09:36:44  <ljharb>TyrfingMjolnir: what OS and shell are you using?
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09:36:49  <mrcloud>CaffeineAddict: there is optional task to use database, auth, etc so maybe not too voerkill
09:36:54  <TyrfingMjolnir>bash ubuntu 14.04
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09:37:15  <ljharb>TyrfingMjolnir: ah, right, ubuntu. https://github.com/creationix/nvm/issues/394#issuecomment-44398368 has instructions to fix that
09:37:21  <CaffeineAddict>mrcloud: express has session support, nodejs has a crypto lib built in
09:37:31  <ljharb>essentially you just have to manually make your profile source nvm.sh
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09:37:43  <ljharb>still haven't figured out how to fix that without special-casing for ubuntu :-/
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09:37:55  <mrcloud>CaffeineAddict: perfect ;)
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09:38:05  <CaffeineAddict>mrcloud: there are lots of DBs to choose from ... for small projects I would use sqlite3 for medium to large projects posgre or mongodb would be the way to go
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09:38:21  <reuf>any recent node.js book you found valubae - please recommend?
09:38:37  <mrcloud>CaffeineAddict: I have experience with all of them so no problem with that
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09:39:58  <CaffeineAddict>mrcloud: npm is your friend ... there are TONS of mods out there ... for now I would stick w/ just the ones I outlined to keep on schedule ... but there are lots and lots of diff options to investigate once you have time
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09:40:29  <TyrfingMjolnir>ljharb: I do not have any lines in .bashrc stating source
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09:40:46  <mrcloud>CaffeineAddict: yeah, Im reading about that. Thanks. For now I have enought. Ill read about express and passport to add auth
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09:40:55  <ljharb>TyrfingMjolnir: add `[[ -s ~/.nvm/nvm.sh ]] && . ~/.nvm/nvm.sh` to it and you should be good
09:41:08  <CaffeineAddict>mrcloud: passport is good oauth is also good
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09:41:50  <TyrfingMjolnir>I just copy pasted the 2 last lines from .bashrc in bash
09:41:58  <TyrfingMjolnir>and now nvm works at least
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09:42:07  <ljharb>yay
09:42:15  <ljharb>sorry for that, it's seamless on every other OS :-)
09:42:19  <ljharb>but now you're good
09:42:40  <TyrfingMjolnir>nvm install 0.10 && nvm alias default 0.10
09:42:42  <ljharb>you can add a .nvmrc file to any directory, and a new shell (or `nvm use`) will pick it up as well
09:42:47  <ljharb>yup
09:42:48  <mrcloud>CaffeineAddict: too much to read. Ill stop by here later if I have any question. Thank you for your help :)
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09:43:03  <CaffeineAddict>ljharb: i stand corrected `Although JavaScript is object-oriented language, it isn't a class-based language�it's a prototype-based language. There are differences between these two approaches, but since it is possible to use JavaScript like a class-based language, many people (including myself) often simply refer to the constructor functions as "classes".`
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09:43:14  <CaffeineAddict>mrcloud: np
09:43:34  <ljharb>CaffeineAddict: right - if you use the term "class", there's a chance you do know the difference in JS, but most people think of "class" like a java class, so i avoid the term wrt JS.
09:44:08  <CaffeineAddict>k
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09:48:58  <TyrfingMjolnir>ljharb: Now what?
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09:49:05  <TyrfingMjolnir>But nvm install 0.10 --copy-packages-from=0.10
09:49:18  <TyrfingMjolnir>Put "nvm install 0.10 --copy-packages-from=0.10" in crontab every friday?
09:49:31  <ljharb>lol
09:49:33  <ljharb>i suppose you could
09:49:41  <ljharb>it would just error out harmlessly if there wasn't a new node
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09:49:52  <TyrfingMjolnir>I m a bit scared of the copy
09:49:54  <ljharb>but i'd recommend instead just keeping tabs on the software you use, and upgrading when needed
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09:50:08  <TyrfingMjolnir>does that mean I would get redundant copies of node?
09:50:11  <ljharb>?
09:50:12  <ljharb>no
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09:50:19  <ljharb>and it's really just reinstalling them on the new version
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09:50:34  <TyrfingMjolnir>What if my scripts does not work on the new version?
09:50:35  <ljharb>you'd definitely keep older copies of node until you manually uninstalled them
09:50:48  <ljharb>then you can use `nvm use` to switch versions until you've figured out the problem
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10:41:23  <samgoody>Hi. A bower question, since no-one in the bower channel seems to be active. How do I add more than one item to the bower.json file? Can someone point me to a orking example for, say, jquery and require.js?
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10:45:20  <inukshuk>samgoody: tried bower init?
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10:46:09  <samgoody>yes, it created a file with require.js being a dependency of jquery, which is not correct
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10:47:04  <samgoody>If I tried more complex packages that would create quite a mess. What if I want jquery, mootools, and prototype - one is clearly not a dependency of the others
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10:48:32  <inukshuk>samgoody: "dependencies": { "jquery": ~2.0", "requirejs": "" }
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10:50:53  <samgoody>So, {name:"prototype", "dependencies": { "jquery": ~2.0", "mootools": "1.5.1" }}
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10:51:13  <samgoody>That doesn't make sense, though it would work. Is that the way bower is supposed to be structured?
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10:52:27  <inukshuk>why does it not make sense?
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10:52:47  <samgoody>because they are not dependencies, they are competing unrelated projects
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10:57:01  <inukshuk>i doubt there is a dependency manager that would catch the semantics of that. if you define them as dependencies, they are dependencies of your project. as long as the projects do not themselves have conflicting dependencies that should work, right?
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10:57:52  <inukshuk>say you project compares the performance of jquery vs mootools or something like that.
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10:59:19  <guy>I don't understand how to use the debugger (after reading all the docs and some tutorials). This is the code I am trying to debug (stripped down to bones). https://gist.github.com/gajus/5150297962fe36438e57 Somewhere in the stream.on('data', cb); an error occurs thats reported in stream.on(), where I have the debugger in place.
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10:59:41  <guy>Finally, I catch the error with the debugger, but neither list or backtrace provide any valuable information
10:59:42  <guy>https://gist.github.com/gajus/930ef8ed37629c81c41d
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11:00:02  <guy>ie, I want to know what caused the actual error
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11:00:32  <guy>stepping out, just gets me to node internals
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11:00:49  <guy>stepping forward just continues the executio
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11:02:05  <inukshuk>does the error object have a stacktrace?
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11:02:59  <inukshuk>try `repl` followed by `data.stack`
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11:03:02  <inukshuk>does that work?
11:03:03  <guy>No, just a useless message
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11:04:11  <guy>Ok, I lied
11:04:17  <guy>That gives 'TypeError: string is not a function\n at safeTweet (/var/www/dev/gajus kuizina... (length: 835)'
11:04:44  <guy>inukshuk: That gets me on the right way. I will just read up how to properly output the stuff
11:04:47  <guy>.Thnaks
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11:04:51  <guy>Thanks*
11:04:51  <inukshuk>cool
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11:07:45  <guy>https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Error/Stack
11:07:52  <guy>Has this existed for a long time.. ?
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11:08:51  <guy>This is really useful to know
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11:11:34  <clarkk>with node inspector, how do you jump over parts of a chained statement (ie jump to the next line, when execution returns to current file, rather than iterating all through the modules necessary to fulfil one part of the chain)?
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11:12:38  <inukshuk>i think you have to set a breakpoint
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11:13:08  <clarkk>inukshuk: you can't set a breakpoint in the middle of a command
11:13:17  <guy>Just use "next" (n)
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11:13:25  <guy>instead of a step (s)
11:13:41  <guy>or setup a breakpoint and continue until you are there.
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11:13:44  <clarkk>guy why isn't there a button for that?
11:14:14  <guy>I just said that there is .. (n)
11:14:25  <clarkk>guy on mine, there isn't
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11:14:32  <guy> ?
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11:14:39  <clarkk>there is no button, so I had to ask here
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11:18:21  <clarkk>guy, the buttons are: resume script (F8) | Step over (F10) | Step into next function call (F11) | Step out of current function (Shift+F11) | Deactivate Breakpoints
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11:18:54  <guy>I am not familiar with that implementation, clarkk
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11:19:09  <clarkk>ok, thanks for your response, guy
11:19:20  <clarkk>is anyone here familiar with node-inspector?
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11:28:31  <Guest73926>Does node.js garbage collector know how maximum amount of memory that it can allocate?
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11:29:28  <hipsterslapfight>v8 has a memory limit if that helps
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11:29:40  <hipsterslapfight>512 and 1GB on 32bit and 64bit respectively
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11:33:16  <Guest73926>Because my app is allocating memory all the time when it is busy (it is a web server) and it release memory only when it is idle...
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11:33:40  <Aeneas>Hey guys. I habe a question, and Perhaps you could help me. I have two node servers talking to each other via socket.io. How can I set that the node servers only talk to other node servers if they have a specific certificate?
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11:52:12  <Couto>Does anyone know how to build nodejs from source on a system with 128mb of ram only?
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12:07:05  <TyrfingMjolnir>I need to run in NodeJS something along the lines of variable=$( "ls -lAh" )
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12:08:43  <TyrfingMjolnir>or perhaps better execute from command line: ls -lAh | nodescript.js
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12:09:39  <icebox>TyrfingMjolnir: https://github.com/arturadib/shelljs
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12:10:19  <TyrfingMjolnir>I use sed, but also custom built tools
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12:11:33  <crised>Hello, in Linux I see the console.log, right after doing "node server.js &"
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12:11:46  <crised>How could I see stored logs?
12:11:50  <crised>Aria: ^
12:11:53  <TyrfingMjolnir>stored logs?
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12:12:09  <crised>TyrfingMjolnir: console logs, when I was not logged in
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12:12:44  <TyrfingMjolnir>cat /var/log/syslog
12:12:45  <TyrfingMjolnir>?
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12:13:10  <TyrfingMjolnir>or?
12:13:11  <TyrfingMjolnir>cat /var/log/auth.log
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12:13:53  <TyrfingMjolnir>Or which console are you thinking about?
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12:14:21  <TyrfingMjolnir>cat /etc/issue
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12:14:42  <crised>CentOS release 6.5 (Final)
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12:14:59  <TyrfingMjolnir>ls -1 /var/log/
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12:16:13  <crised>TyrfingMjolnir: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/62861a7417bc1c333dfd
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12:16:54  <crised>/var/log/messasges work for stdout, but not for console.log
12:17:09  <TyrfingMjolnir>what do you mean by console?
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12:17:16  <icebox>crised: you need to redirect your output
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12:17:17  <TyrfingMjolnir>cat ~/.bash_history
12:17:29  <crised>TyrfingMjolnir: sighs... console.log
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12:17:41  <TyrfingMjolnir>console.log is syslog on BSD
12:17:45  <TyrfingMjolnir>To my knowledge
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12:18:03  <crised>icebox: how?
12:18:22  <TyrfingMjolnir>cat /var/log/secure
12:18:29  <TyrfingMjolnir>To see your logins
12:18:36  <icebox>crised: node server.js > mylog.txt 2>&1
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12:18:58  <icebox>crised: in bash... otherwise check your shell for proper syntax
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12:22:46  <crised>icebox: mm, it seems to work
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12:23:00  <crised>node server.js > mylog.txt 2>&1 &
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12:23:24  <icebox>crised: that is standard unix redirection :)
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12:23:39  <icebox>crised: it works also with nohup
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12:25:06  <crised>icebox: but without nohup I cannot continue on bash
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12:25:54  <icebox>crised: I don't understand the double negation :)
12:26:27  <crised>icebox: If I don't put & at the end, I cannot continue in bash writing commands
12:26:51  <icebox>icebox: nohup node server.js > mylog.txt 2>&1 & and you can logout
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12:28:30  <icebox>crised: without nohup, your app might terminate if you disconnect... it depends on how it manages the hangup signal
12:28:51  <crised>icebox: nope, it does not, it just shows process idf
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12:29:08  <crised>sudo node server.js > mylog.txt 2>&1 &
12:29:09  <crised>[1] 18319
12:29:21  <icebox>crised: sure... because your app ignores that signal
12:29:30  <inukshuk>clarkk: did you figure it out? what about F11 followed by shift+F11?
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12:30:25  <clarkk>hi inukshuk: my concern with those is that I don't want to miss/skip any calls
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12:34:19  <inukshuk>can you elaborate what you mean exactly? i thought you specifically want to skip the next function call in the chain :)
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12:34:28  <inukshuk>*skip to
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12:34:45  <clarkk>inukshuk: no, I just want to get to the next line of the code
12:34:50  <clarkk>inukshuk: in the same file
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12:36:20  <inukshuk>but how can you get there without skipping the call (or calls) on the current line?
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12:37:44  <clarkk>inukshuk: this is what I'm struggling with (3rd day on this) https://gist.github.com/anonymous/078060b4044c671b8b82
12:38:07  <clarkk>inukshuk: the index.js file (in a module) used with grunt
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12:38:56  <clarkk>inukshuk: an empty tmp file is created, but it is not populated and it is not used to overwrite the original file or deleted afterwards
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12:40:25  <clarkk>inukshuk: I think the problem is that it's chained. So I've rewritten that part of the code like this: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/11fbc8b430984c38a425 Does this look ok to you?
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12:40:50  <clarkk>inukshuk: I think the finish event is never triggered, although it works fine without grunt
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12:41:30  <inukshuk>clarkk: give me a few minutes to digest this :)
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12:46:11  <clarkk>ok, thank you inukshuk
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12:46:27  <Hedja>@clarkk, are you sure "finish" is the right event?
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12:46:37  <Hedja>http://nodejs.org/api/stream.html#stream_class_stream_readable
12:46:38  <clarkk>Hedja: it works when not using grunt
12:47:01  <clarkk>why would it be different when using grunt Hedja?
12:47:18  <Hedja>shouldn't be
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12:49:00  <clarkk>Hedja: I just added an end event, and the same thing happens
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12:49:20  <inukshuk>so removeAndMove in grunt? (but it is called outside of grunt)
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12:49:30  <clarkk>do events need to be defined before other actions?
12:49:31  <inukshuk>*is never called i meant to say
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12:50:35  <clarkk>inukshuk: it is never called when using grunt. It works fine without grunt
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12:51:49  <Hedja>well, I'm stumped
12:51:51  <Hedja>try adding an on 'error' to the pipe chain and see if it triggers
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12:54:46  <clarkk>Hedja: inukshuk - ok, this is my code. Does that look ok to you? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5b7c0c7ff4b6cec68afe
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13:04:36  <inukshuk>i think the problem is that the end event is triggered when there is no more input to read (not after you've finished writing)
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13:07:44  <clearing>if you want to get hacky you can use _writeableState.length to tell if you still have writing going on in the stream
13:07:59  <Hedja>@clarkk you're adding events to the readstream, the writestream is what you want your finish callback on
13:08:25  <Hedja>create the writestream and add listeners to it before piping it
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13:08:45  <inukshuk>that sounds good
13:08:49  <clearing>but my solution is only relevant if you get errors like "cannot write to stream after pushing null" errors or something
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