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00:00:07  <NotMyself>hey guys how can i set my timezone? I tried setting a TZ env var but no luck
00:01:20  <AvianFlu>NotMyself, we haven't really configured anything for that
00:02:11  <NotMyself>weird.. i could have sworn it was working prior to flipping over the the new hosting env
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00:03:01  <AvianFlu>NotMyself, in the rackspace env, we had ntp running
00:03:18  <NotMyself>ahh ok well at least i am not insane
00:03:29  <AvianFlu>I don't see it on the smartOS drones, or in pkgin
00:03:37  <AvianFlu>I'll look into getting it back, if it works on sunOS
00:03:47  <AvianFlu>or into another way to get that kind of functionality
00:04:31  <NotMyself>ok sounds good
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01:13:07  <pawn>What's a drone?
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01:17:53  <jesusabdullah>oh man I have like 400 foods coming I am JAZZED
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01:18:19  <jesusabdullah>samholmes: http://jit.su/#/paas/faq
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01:22:12  <Shaun_>anyone having issues connecting to mongohq?'
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01:23:14  <samholmes>jesusabdullah: thank you. :)
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01:24:05  <samholmes>Will no.de's services be identical to nodejitsu's services in the future; that is to say, will my nodejitsu account be a no.de account and visa versa?
01:24:20  <jesusabdullah>hmm
01:24:20  <jesusabdullah>well
01:24:43  <jesusabdullah>no.de is intended to be shut down at some point. I don't know if we'll be able to use the no.de domain or not.
01:25:05  <jesusabdullah>AvianFlu: That'd be cool if we could get the no.de domain once the service is deprecated, yeah?
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01:26:12  <samholmes>jesusabdullah: Why wouldn't you use no.de domain? It's a nice domain.
01:27:45  <jesusabdullah>samholmes: it doesn't belong to us?
01:27:57  <jesusabdullah>presumably joyent owns the no.de domain
01:28:09  <samholmes>Oh I see what you mean.
01:28:53  <samholmes>What I meant: will joyent still be using the no.de domain? My general question is, how will the partnership between nodejitsu and joyent effect the services?
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01:29:51  <jesusabdullah>samholmes: eventually no.de will be decommissioned. Users are expected to migrate to our service.
01:30:03  <jesusabdullah>I mean, we're not really in a rush but that's the idea
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01:30:36  <samholmes>So, no.de accounts will eventually become jitsu accounds?
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01:33:54  <samholmes>Whatever, I'm wasting time asking these questions. :P
01:35:28  <jesusabdullah>samholmes: no, the idea is, you get a nodejitsu account, you get your apps running on nodejitsu, and the servers on no.de get shut down.
01:35:43  <samholmes>Ah, I see.
01:35:49  <jesusabdullah>samholmes: so, no transfer, just an invitation to migrate and an offer of help/assistance
01:36:02  <samholmes>So, it would be pointless for me to invest any time into no.de
01:36:16  <jesusabdullah>I mean, unless you already have things on there
01:36:29  <jesusabdullah>in which case it would be worth investing enough effort to keep them going
01:36:39  <jesusabdullah>I'm not even sure no.de is supporting newer versions of node.
01:37:02  <samholmes>Why has joyent given up their hosting service to nodejitsu?
01:37:31  <samholmes>I'm assuming they're getting a commission or some sort through the partnership?
01:38:30  <jesusabdullah>actually, it's simpler than that
01:38:54  <samholmes>Oh?
01:38:55  <jesusabdullah>we realized that we both like node, and that joyent really wanted to concentrate on having a rock-solid iaas, not a paas
01:39:00  <jesusabdullah>so it was like
01:39:05  <jesusabdullah>we use their machines
01:39:27  <jesusabdullah>they get to benefit from having a paas run on their hardware without having to run the paas themselves
01:39:44  <jesusabdullah>and we get the benefits of sunOS :)
01:39:51  <samholmes>sunOS?
01:39:56  * samholmesgoogles
01:39:58  <jesusabdullah>er
01:39:59  <jesusabdullah>smartOS
01:40:02  <jesusabdullah>it's smartOS
01:40:12  <jesusabdullah>that was me derping samholmes
01:40:13  * samholmesgoogles again
01:40:25  <samholmes>no worries jesus.
01:40:42  <samholmes>jesusabdullah*
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01:41:02  <AvianFlu>jesusabdullah, you're not derping, it's a sunOS derivative
01:41:10  <AvianFlu>and the system stuff will all say "SunOS 5.11"
01:41:17  <samholmes>So, does jistu pay for the iaas from joyent?
01:42:02  <jesusabdullah>yes indeedy, the servers are not free
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01:42:20  <samholmes>So that's how they make their money. ;P
01:42:27  <jesusabdullah>beyond that I don't know the deets
01:42:28  <Init--WithStyle->Hello all, i have a question about nodejitsu in regards to multicore/server scaling of a node.js app
01:42:36  <samholmes>The reason why I'm interested in all of this is because I'm currently using a VPS to host my node application, but manually restarting it and running it on screen can become a pain when I update the app. So, I'm looking for other server solutions for my application. What sort of open-source technologies does nodejitsu use to enable the application to automatically manage itself?
01:42:42  <jesusabdullah>Init--WithStyle-: Shoot
01:42:43  <kohai>Init has -2 beers
01:42:48  <jesusabdullah>olololo
01:43:04  <jesusabdullah>Init--WithStyle- is going to have so few beers by the end of this conversation
01:43:05  <kohai>Init has -3 beers
01:43:09  <Init--WithStyle->Currently the game i'm building is running on a local server, however, because node runs singled threaded i'm going to bump into scaling problems if I just use a single app running by itself
01:43:30  <jesusabdullah>I mean, maybe
01:43:41  <Init--WithStyle->So what I want to do is have a load balanced node.js app that handles and can spool up an infinite number of instances of the game's engine that each hold their own portion of the overall game world
01:43:53  <Init--WithStyle->*load balancer node.js app
01:44:15  <jesusabdullah>how far are you into making this game, Init--WithStyle- ?
01:44:22  <Init--WithStyle->Prototyping stage
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01:44:38  <jesusabdullah>samholmes: we use forever, haibu, flatiron, basically everything we open source is used
01:44:46  <jesusabdullah>samholmes: https://github.com/nodejitsu
01:45:06  <Init--WithStyle->I want to build on the cloud.. i really don't have enough time or resources to deal with server maintence etc.. headaches honestly
01:45:35  <jesusabdullah>Init--WithStyle-: We'll have the capabilities to auto-scale
01:45:35  <Init--WithStyle->however, my worry is that because I need to be running multiple node.js processes that work in tandem, unless I can keep them on the same physical machine, i'm going to run into large network latency costs
01:45:37  <kohai>Init has -4 beers
01:45:53  <jesusabdullah>Init--WithStyle-: sounds like you want to spawn worker children?
01:45:54  <kohai>Init has -5 beers
01:46:00  <Init--WithStyle->pretty much yes
01:46:12  <jesusabdullah>Init--WithStyle-: tbh it sounds like you should just get your app running first, and THEN worry about scaling. Don't put the cart before the horse.
01:46:13  <kohai>Init has -6 beers
01:46:24  <Init--WithStyle->the load balancer app will spawn children that are each a full copy of the game engine basically, just handling a portion of the overall processing load
01:46:28  <jesusabdullah>Init--WithStyle-: But yes, you can spawn children on a box
01:46:28  <kohai>Init has -7 beers
01:46:41  <jesusabdullah>Init--WithStyle-: that you speak to over stdin/stdout (you can do this with, say, dnode)
01:46:43  <kohai>Init has -8 beers
01:46:51  <Init--WithStyle->Well jesusabdullah if i can't keep things local on the same physical machine with nodejitsu I wouldn't bother starting :)
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01:47:02  <samholmes>jesusabdullah: I'm paying 10 bucks for my VPS right now. If I were to give you the specs on the server, would you be able to compare it to a nodejitsu drone, or are these two separate beasts?
01:47:24  <Init--WithStyle->So with nodejitsu I can force multiples of my children to run on the same physical machine?
01:48:44  <Init--WithStyle->you see my worry right?
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01:50:45  <samholmes>Ram:
01:50:45  <samholmes>512MB
01:50:45  <samholmes>, HDD:
01:50:45  <samholmes>30GB,
01:50:45  <samholmes>Traffic:
01:50:46  <samholmes>500GB for $10 a month. How does this compare to plans @ nodejitsu?
01:51:13  <samholmes>Damn x-chat.. My appologize for the multi-lines.
01:51:15  <AvianFlu>samholmes, our current drones are half that size
01:51:32  <samholmes>AvianFlu: full specs?
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01:52:28  <AvianFlu>Init--WithStyle-, if you can gist benchmarks or profiling results detailing what your app's bottlenecks are, we can help you decide how best to scale
01:52:30  <kohai>Init has -9 beers
01:52:38  <AvianFlu>but short of that, it's a moot point
01:53:24  <AvianFlu>samholmes, I don't have them in front of me, but I know they're 256MB ram and about 7GB available hdd
01:53:37  <AvianFlu>bandwidth, we don't currently meter
01:53:44  <AvianFlu>at least not for pricing, at least not yet
01:54:29  <Init--WithStyle->AvianFlu: I'm only prototyping and scoping out what would be the best cloud solution to build on top of right now.... I know that clouds don't really have much of a care for geolocality, but as you can imagine if I have multiple children processes spawned working together, but spread over multiple continents I will run into massive latency issues..
01:54:55  <AvianFlu>Init--WithStyle-, all our servers are in the same datacenter with joyent
01:54:56  <Init--WithStyle->Is there any way for me to force multiple node.js processes to work together at the same location/same physical machines?
01:54:58  <kohai>Init has -10 beers
01:55:04  <AvianFlu>same datacenter, yes
01:55:07  <AvianFlu>same host, not now
01:55:19  <AvianFlu>the drones are too small for multi-process clustering to be anything but wasteful
01:55:30  <Init--WithStyle->Any idea what the inter-datacenter latency is?
01:55:47  <AvianFlu>2-10ms, depending
01:55:58  <jesusabdullah>Init--WithStyle-: Make it run on one machine. Then think about making it run on two, three, four, n machines
01:55:59  <kohai>Init has -11 beers
01:56:10  <samholmes>1 drone is 24 bucks though. It seem overly priced relative to my VPS.
01:56:34  <jesusabdullah>samholmes: How much stuff does your vps provider do for you?
01:56:36  <Init--WithStyle->Jesus, within one machine there are multiple cores, I want to utilize the multiple cores :)
01:56:41  <AvianFlu>samholmes, that's for the dedicated. That's not what our public cloud is running right now.
01:56:50  <AvianFlu>Init--WithStyle-, not within one small VPS there aren't
01:56:53  <kohai>Init has -12 beers
01:57:15  <AvianFlu>samholmes, the drone I was describing is the one in the micro plan
01:57:30  <samholmes>The personal?
01:57:30  <AvianFlu>if you deploy right now, that's the only size machine you'll get
01:57:33  <AvianFlu>yes.
01:57:36  <samholmes>Or individual. Ah
01:57:45  <AvianFlu>as far as our public cloud beta is concerned
01:57:49  <AvianFlu>they're all 256MB hosts
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01:58:14  <AvianFlu>the dedicated plan will not just be more money for the same thing :D
01:58:16  <Init--WithStyle->AvianFlu: do you folks have any plans to allow processes to specify where/what host they want to run on within the cloud?
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01:58:26  <Init--WithStyle->some way to keep things together as much as possible?
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01:58:44  <AvianFlu>we'll have support for that kind of thing eventually, yes.
01:58:45  <jesusabdullah>Init--WithStyle-: You get within the same DC
01:58:47  <kohai>Init has -13 beers
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01:58:53  <jesusabdullah>They're all in us-east-1
01:59:21  <Init--WithStyle->ok, thanks for answering my questions - it's been really helpful :)
02:00:07  <samholmes>AvianFlu: what would it be?
02:01:11  <Init--WithStyle->Oh jesusabdullah one thing.. on your main page you have a blurb about "Orchestrion" putting the app closer, geolocally, to where it is being requested... is this something that will happen when there are multiple data centers running or do you have some sort of partner/cdn network running?
02:01:57  <AvianFlu>samholmes, I don't know offhand - that kind of thing, I tend to find out about right before it's time to provision them
02:02:36  <samholmes>I see. So right now, I can't purchase a plan?
02:02:49  <AvianFlu>no, we're still just in public beta
02:03:26  <jesusabdullah>Init--WithStyle-: multiple DCs, possibly inter-DC
02:03:27  <kohai>Init has -14 beers
02:03:30  <AvianFlu>a month or so, probably, and we'll start taking money
02:03:41  <samholmes>So, the individual plans will be shared, does this mean no root access?
02:04:03  <Init--WithStyle->very cool jesusabdullah
02:04:26  <AvianFlu>samholmes, no root access, currently no ssh access
02:04:32  <Init--WithStyle->I am a dev working in Korea right now, if you guys start expanding internationally, I would love to help make it easy for you to get operations rolling over here.
02:04:53  <samholmes>AvianFlu: Does this mean I wont be able to install node modules?
02:04:53  <Init--WithStyle->You could use me as an info point
02:05:01  <jesusabdullah>We've had a few requests for getting boxes in a korean dc
02:05:06  <jesusabdullah>idk if joyent provides there or not
02:05:09  <Init--WithStyle->ah really? excellent
02:05:12  <AvianFlu>samholmes, we install them for you as part of the deploy process
02:05:16  <jesusabdullah>Yeah, not a ton but a few
02:05:21  <AvianFlu>this is a very different experience than running a VPS
02:05:30  <Init--WithStyle->I remember talking to someone from joyent awhile ago... don't think there are any hosts running over here yet
02:05:33  <jesusabdullah>samholmes: http://handbook.jit.su
02:05:56  <samholmes>A lot less control, but more taken care of for me.
02:05:58  <jesusabdullah>Is there like some localized iaas over there?
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02:06:35  <AvianFlu>samholmes, exactly
02:06:36  <jesusabdullah>samholmes: for you it's like, 1) put in cartridge; 2) turn on nintendo
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02:06:50  <jesusabdullah>y'know, except you get to write the cartridge. whatever.
02:06:54  <AvianFlu>if you like things a very specific way, the odds of something we do irritating you are gonna be pretty good
02:07:01  <AvianFlu>but if you want to do less admin work, we're great
02:07:31  <AvianFlu>like, if you decided to run a custom node build for obscure performance reasons, you probably belong with your own VPS
02:07:38  <AvianFlu>that kind of thing
02:08:56  <samholmes>I'm looking for a host that will scale rapidly. I'm not expecting a guarenteed growth like instagram, but I will want to be prepared for that sort of rapid growth. How far can jitsu scale?
02:09:21  * samholmesis wondering if it's okay to call nodejitsu just simply jitsu?
02:09:32  <Init--WithStyle->cloud hosting is awesome :)
02:09:36  <jesusabdullah>I mean, you can if you want
02:09:51  <jesusabdullah>though we might get confused due to our cli tool being called jitsu
02:10:08  <Init--WithStyle->jesusabdullah: should i keep in touch with Joyent to know when you will have hosts over in Korea?
02:10:38  <jesusabdullah>samholmes: we can probably meet your scaling needs. We can spawn up new boxes as fast as joyent can give them to us.
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02:11:01  <jesusabdullah>Init--WithStyle-: I mean, we don't have immediate plans for getting a korean dc or anything
02:11:02  <kohai>Init has -11 beers
02:11:20  <samholmes>How much bandwidth does 1 drone provide again, 7GB?
02:11:36  <Init--WithStyle->alright jesusabdullah thanks
02:11:37  <Init--WithStyle->:)
02:12:06  <jesusabdullah>you're welcome :)
02:12:32  <samholmes>If so, then the business plan for 240 bucks will give me 70GB data, vs my VPS for $10 with 500GB/month.
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02:12:48  <samholmes>s/data/bandwidth
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02:15:50  <Taneem>they haven't provided pricing on bandwidth yet. the 7GB is storage
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02:20:59  <tonylee>hi I heard I can get help with nodejitsu on here
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02:21:15  <tonylee>anyone know if we can have multiple users for one app
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02:25:10  <samholmes>Taneem: so bandwidth is unlimited?
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02:25:34  <Taneem>it's unmetered right now, they just haven't decided on the pricing yet I think.
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02:26:41  <greg__>any one else having problems deploying at the moment?
02:27:26  <samholmes>I see. Well, if I could leave a tip here, I recommend competing with http://intovps.com's pricing, but with the added scalability; that would be awesome! :)
02:29:28  <Taneem>greg__ deploy fails for me too
02:30:35  <AvianFlu>greg__, what are you seeing
02:31:22  <greg__>seeing, Nodejitsu Error (500): Internal Server Error, and then NPM Install failed, NPM failed to install dependencies ......
02:31:36  <Taneem>ya same
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02:43:14  <greg__>ok, now seems to deploy OK :)
02:43:50  <varblob>same here
02:46:49  <coderarity>tat
02:46:50  <coderarity>yay*
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02:56:55  <Nodejitsu-Github>[jitsu/master] [dist] Version bump, v0.9.5 - Charlie McConnell
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03:24:54  <BrandonGriggs>hi, I'm having some issues with handling file uploads that just popped up recently...I used to use fs.rename() to move the uploaded file from /tmp into public directory in my account without issue....
03:25:04  <BrandonGriggs>but now I'm seeing "Error: Error: EXDEV, rename '/tmp/d0e820ae128f31b2bd418969e6189d53"
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03:26:15  <BrandonGriggs>and still works fine on my local...did something change to the directory structure that I should be accomodating?
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03:31:06  <AvianFlu>BrandonGriggs, you probably don't have the right perms for /tmp anymore
03:31:13  <AvianFlu>try storing it somewhere relative
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03:32:40  <BrandonGriggs>hm, that was the default that Express was using for Filedata.path....I'll see if that's configurable
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03:47:28  <Nodejitsu-Github>[jitsu] jesusabdullah pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/fTJ3bA
03:47:28  <Nodejitsu-Github>[jitsu/master] [test] Update tests to match nodejitsu-api - Joshua Holbrook
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03:48:39  <jesusabdullah>goooo tests
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03:50:02  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] nodejitsu/jitsu#152 (master - 7bd85e8 : Joshua Holbrook): The build was fixed.
03:50:02  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/nodejitsu/jitsu/compare/5d096e20338c...7bd85e8f79d4
03:50:02  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/nodejitsu/jitsu/builds/1882576
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03:51:09  <jesusabdullah>awww yeah.
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03:59:54  <BrandonGriggs>@AvianFlue, got it sending to a relative tmp folder....does this look right? '/opt/haibu/apps/knack/Knack/package/tmp/7edac6fa1a8e2f58f27b1558d02e9008.png'
04:00:15  <BrandonGriggs>but getting an Error: ENOENT trying to open that
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04:11:05  <AvianFlu>BrandonGriggs, did you make the folder with fs.mkdir yourself?
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04:16:41  <BrandonGriggs>@AvianFlu: no, made the /tmp folder locally and deployed
04:17:11  <AvianFlu>yeah, I'd expect that to work
04:17:26  <AvianFlu>try a stat on the tmp folder from inside your app, maybe
04:17:36  <AvianFlu>see if you can get it to dump the stat data and the permissions and stuff
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04:26:30  <BrandonGriggs>@AvianFlu what should the perms be?
04:26:58  <AvianFlu>I dunno, writable?
04:27:09  <AvianFlu>it's strange that the write wouldn't error but the read would
04:27:25  <AvianFlu>note that the perms will likely be full long-form octal
04:27:27  <AvianFlu>and confusing
04:28:12  <BrandonGriggs>yeah, they were
04:28:37  <BrandonGriggs>but, did a fs.mkdir(__dirname + '/tmp', 0777)
04:28:41  <BrandonGriggs>and that seemed to work
04:28:48  <AvianFlu>well that's good
04:29:20  <AvianFlu>I would expect that a directory you create in your app root would get uploaded - maybe not if it's empty
04:29:20  <BrandonGriggs>indeed
04:29:37  <BrandonGriggs>yeah, i was pretty confused there for a minute
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04:50:38  <CTan>I'm having a problem with forgot password
04:50:50  <CTan>it straight up doesn't work for me
04:51:03  <CTan>can anyone help?
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04:59:31  <blakmatrix>CTan: I reset your password to the first one you gave me, sorry for all the trouble
05:00:53  <CTan>blakmatrix++
05:00:54  <kohai>blakmatrix has 16 Gold-Pressed Latinum bricks
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05:01:10  <CTan>thanks
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05:01:43  <CTan>blakmatrix: thanks a bunch, going home... u should sleep!
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05:06:33  <jesusabdullah>AvianFlu: +x I believe
05:06:46  <jesusabdullah>oh dang, way too late to catch griggs
05:06:48  <jesusabdullah>oh well
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05:08:10  <lefnire>hey guys, tried to revert to snapshot - activated previous snapshot (lefnire/habitrpg 0.0.0-52) and it said started in terminal, but it's not working & develop.nodejitsu.com shows as stopped
05:08:18  <lefnire>tried running "jitsu start", same results
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05:10:52  <jesusabdullah>username and appname, lefnire?
05:11:00  <lefnire>lefnire & habitrpg
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05:15:00  <nlognbob>I'm getting An error has occurred: {"code":"ECONNREFUSED","errno":"ECONNREFUSED","syscall":"connect"}
05:15:08  <nlognbob>in my browser
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05:19:52  <nlognbob>I can't deploy
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05:22:04  <nlognbob>my app won't start; can anybody help?
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05:23:29  <coderarity>nlognbob, what's happening exactly?
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05:24:24  <nlognbob>well, jitsu apps start nlognbob just hangs
05:25:15  <nlognbob>also deploy, when it gets to that point. other subdomains too; I just made up a random one and tried it
05:26:30  <nlognbob>I'm up.
05:28:13  <nlognbob>all is well now
05:29:21  <coderarity>okay
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05:39:39  <jamesw03>did anything just happen?
05:40:36  <coderarity>jamesw03, not afaik, why?
05:41:24  <jamesw03>looks like my application just restared and is now not correctly accesing its mongodb database
05:41:47  <jamesw03>im wondering if it has something to do with not updating anything for a while
05:42:48  <jamesw03>maybe something to do with node versions or npm or jitsu versions?
05:43:00  <coderarity>jamesw03, what node version are you using?
05:43:07  <coderarity>jamesw03, also definitely update jitsu if it's old
05:43:34  <coderarity>if it's been a while, a lot of things have changed, so staying up to date is a good idea
05:43:40  <jamesw03>v0.6.x
05:43:52  <coderarity>should be fine
05:43:55  <jamesw03>so what im doing is locally updating everything
05:45:02  <jamesw03>just remind me whats the command to update jitsu
05:45:20  <coderarity>jamesw03, `npm i jitsu -g`
05:45:34  <jamesw03>"i"?
05:45:46  <coderarity>jamesw03, i stands for install, also make sure to run that as root
05:45:55  <jamesw03>okay
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05:56:33  <jamesw03>back in 10 mins
06:02:54  <jamesw03>okay that fixed everything
06:02:57  <jamesw03>thanks
06:02:58  <jamesw03>cya
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06:21:01  <nlognbob>my app won't start again
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06:23:17  <nlognbob>deploy just hangs
06:24:16  <yawnt>morning
06:24:22  <jesusabdullah>morning yawnt
06:24:26  <yawnt>sup
06:25:26  <jesusabdullah>nlognbob: looking, I see one you're trying to deploy in the logs
06:26:49  <jesusabdullah>nlognbob: app started, it looks like from here
06:27:17  <nlognbob>hmmmm
06:27:29  <nlognbob>yes, here too.
06:28:02  <nlognbob>some sort of delay. very odd. the start/stop knowlege seems to be otu of sync, too.
06:28:59  <nlognbob>I think I understand why I get rogue drones. sometimes when I start 'jitsu list' says it is stopped, but in fact it has started (I know becuase it sends out info)
06:29:01  <yawnt>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zZU_WNmHZY&feature=relmfu
06:29:06  <yawnt>i'm dying
06:29:15  <yawnt>:D
06:29:17  <nlognbob>then the next start works, and I ahve 2
06:38:54  <nlognbob>All my "app start" efforts have resulted in 5 drones with the same name.
06:39:41  <jesusabdullah>yes, probably. Your app likely takes a long time to start and sometimes triggers timeout conditions but doesn't clean up properly.
06:41:08  <nlognbob>oh,how do I speed that up? what triggers the "its started" thing? listening on a socket?
06:41:42  <nlognbob>also, is "long time" like 500 milliseconds or 20 seconds?
06:43:17  <nlognbob>I'll change my code if it makes starting more reliable, or even to experiment to see if it helps
06:46:23  <jesusabdullah>it picks up on the socket connection, I believe timing starts at npm install but might be wrong
06:47:23  <jesusabdullah>so, one thing that helps is listening and then doing the rest of the startup dance
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06:48:17  <jesusabdullah>I mean, not that this is really your fault---like, I know they've been looking at the timeout/zombie nexus there
06:49:28  <jesusabdullah>now that I think about it though, I wonder how hard it would be to get them to implement a more sane error
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06:52:47  <nlognbob>sure, I understand new code and systems might have bugs at this stage. it is very frustrating, though, so if I can work around it easily, I will. I'll try a faster startup and keep track of my time-until-listen to see if there is anything under my control that I can speed up
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06:58:18  <jesusabdullah>yeah, sure
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09:05:06  <booyaa>spolu: hey dude nice one you got websense to reclassify you?
09:05:11  * booyaacan see dattss.com
09:06:35  <spolu>booyaa: yup :)
09:06:42  <spolu>booyaa: sent an email. They were very reactive!
09:07:13  <booyaa>excellent :)
09:07:25  <spolu>booyaa: glad you can see http://dattss.com ! hope it can be helpful
09:07:41  <booyaa>i've signed up, i'm a bit of a beta whore :D
09:07:54  <spolu>booyaa: really is a statsd + graphite replacement perfect for PaaS context :)
09:07:57  <booyaa>i will rig it up to my raspberry pi
09:07:59  <spolu>booyaa: awesome! kick it! :)
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09:27:14  <booyaa>dude, question about your lovely graphs
09:27:23  <booyaa>actually let me switch channels
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14:00:52  <lpin>AvianFlu, updates on node-gyp target_arch?
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14:08:23  <lefnire>is node 0.8.x avail on jitsu?
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14:11:56  <coderarity>lefnire, no
14:12:11  <lefnire>k, thanks
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14:13:26  <yawnt>does director support delete request?
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14:22:56  <lefnire>so i tried to revert lefnire/habitrpg to snapshot 0.0.0-52. in terminal, it says it started - but on dashboard, it still shows at 0.0.0-53 and shows as stopped
14:23:04  <lefnire>(and is indeed stopped)
14:26:43  <yawnt>yo coderarity :D
14:27:37  <coderarity>yawnt, hi
14:28:11  <coderarity>lefnire, hmmm
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14:30:03  <coderarity>lefnire, looks like there was an error
14:30:48  <yawnt>coderarity: do you know if/when the res.redirect is going to be merged?
14:30:56  <yawnt>otherwise i'll just use my fork temporarily
14:30:57  <coderarity>no
14:31:05  <yawnt>k, my branch ftw then
14:31:06  <yawnt>thx
14:31:16  <lefnire>the "TypeError: Object # has no method 'session'" bit i believe is an error of the latest attempted deploy (0.0.0-53), but 0.0.0-52 i think was without this error
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14:33:38  <coderarity>lefnire, can I see your package.json?
14:34:00  <lefnire>https://github.com/lefnire/habitrpg/blob/derby/package.json
14:34:14  <lefnire>this was the latest deploy, lemme find the 0.0.0-52 version
14:34:47  <lefnire>ah, not much different: https://github.com/lefnire/habitrpg/blob/08632bd17ab4e16a1419895d0b52170265a1286d/package.json
14:36:40  <coderarity>lefnire, can you try activating that snapshot again?
14:36:56  <lefnire>on it
14:38:51  <NotMyself>morning all
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14:44:50  <yawnt>question
14:44:51  <coderarity>lefnire, you're sure 0.0.0-52 runs fine locally?
14:44:58  <yawnt>how common is to use your own ids in couch?
14:45:16  <yawnt>i mean, is it considered good practice to set the _id to, let's say, a username to ensure uniqueness?
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14:49:36  <lefnire>coderarity: 52 seemed to be working fine locally, but i'm getting the 53 errors on 52 deploy now. will have to investigate, thanks
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15:00:07  <AvianFlu>yawnt, it's very common
15:00:19  <AvianFlu>you can set it to whatever you want
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15:08:22  <yawnt>AvianFlu: thanks, because in the sql world, well it ain't so.. :)
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15:09:17  <AvianFlu>yawnt, the id is the url, and couch is all http
15:09:25  <AvianFlu>so of course they let you make your own urls :D
15:10:58  <lpin>AvianFlu, dunno if you already answer, got disconnected, updates on node-gyp target arch?
15:12:47  <yawnt>AvianFlu: i know you could, i just didn't know if it was "good practice"
15:13:14  <yawnt>but now i can have my username set as id, which means no more problems with uniqueness
15:13:17  <yawnt>:D
15:13:30  <AvianFlu>lpin, we figured it out, we're rolling it out this morning
15:13:34  <AvianFlu>i.e. presently
15:13:45  <lpin>ok, thank you
15:14:04  <AvianFlu>we've got to recompile every node in the cloud� but it's cool, cause we're just gonna compile 0.8.2 while we're at it
15:14:10  <AvianFlu>:D
15:14:17  <lpin>eheh sounds good
15:14:44  <lpin>also better for debugging
15:15:42  <yawnt>lpin: ho mandato la mail al tizio
15:15:56  <lpin>si ho letto il pm, come è andata?
15:16:01  <yawnt>m'ha risposto ieri sera.. 25 pounds oppure 40$
15:16:02  <lpin>qualche bozzetto?
15:16:09  <yawnt>direi che va bene, gli ho risposto con l'idea stamattina
15:16:12  <yawnt>sto aspettando che risponda
15:16:30  <lefnire>:s
15:16:32  <lpin>capito, neh come prezzo è onesto per un logo
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15:16:44  <yawnt>il tuo mi è piaciuto
15:16:46  <yawnt>binb no?
15:16:48  <lpin>
15:16:59  <yawnt>suppongo logghi di notte al pc visto che risponde solo allroa :P
15:17:33  <lpin>è inglese, come me ha lavorato un paio di giorni dopo le 13
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15:17:44  <lpin>con*
15:17:59  <yawnt>k
15:19:58  <lpin>per me era azzeccato visto che la maggior parte dei suoi lavori sono legati alla musica
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15:20:23  <lpin>basta italiano, qua semmai usiamo il privato :)
15:20:50  <yawnt>y
15:21:05  <yawnt>he doesnt do ui/ux designing does he?
15:21:06  <yawnt>:(
15:21:26  <lpin>don't think so, but you can ask him
15:22:19  <lpin>but he will load for sure more bucks :)
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15:59:43  <hotch>heys
15:59:46  <hotch>ping jesusabdullah mmalecki
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16:03:56  <hotch>ping any nodejitsu employees ...
16:05:03  <AvianFlu>hotch, what's going on
16:07:37  <hotch>I feel as if I am in groundhog day the film. I spoke several months ago, had the guys file a ticket - then when the business offering came about with SSL etc it covered the remaining needs that we have except for a dns api, vs. package.json editing (not ideal for a client signing up to manually add an entry to a package then restart the application). As we approaching funding this needs to be nailed down (all of our providers, monthly ex
16:07:37  <hotch>mmalecki said that he would bring up the ticket and escalate it in a call (for monday?) . looking for an update.
16:08:29  <hotch>If it can't be done - ok fine that sucks. But we want to pay for nodejitsu right? But this is a feature that I am sure that people selling SaaS would want also - the ability to dynamically add domains or at least a static IP.
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16:17:39  <AvianFlu>hotch, I'll bring it up, and we'll see what can be done - but this is the first I've heard of someone requesting this
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16:17:51  <AvianFlu>I didn't realize someone had been asking for this for a long time
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16:23:31  <hotch>Yeah groundhog day :P
16:23:45  <hotch>I mentioned it ~2-3 months ago. a ticket was filed internally
16:23:54  <hotch>i spoke end of last week with mmalecki
16:24:28  <hotch>So I need this feature and either it can happen or can't, you know? Just a little frustrated :P
16:24:49  <AvianFlu>hotch, well, we aren't taking any money from anyone for at least a few weeks
16:25:17  <AvianFlu>I'll bring it up, and we can let you know
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18:06:45  <ferlores>hi guys, is it possible to run shell command from node in your cloud?
18:07:42  <AvianFlu>ferlores, generally, yes, but note that you're on SunOS and in a limited-permissions environment
18:07:50  <AvianFlu>so some things may or may not work, depending on what you're trying to do
18:08:22  <ferlores>i would like to excecute some git commands, is that possible?
18:08:31  <ferlores>probably git is not installes, right?
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18:09:40  <AvianFlu>what are you trying to do with git? I *think* it should work, but I haven't tested it much myself
18:10:41  <ferlores>I want to checkout a project, create a branch change some little things, and push them back
18:11:47  <blakmatrix>only issue yo umight have there is with git and working with ssh keys
18:12:00  <AvianFlu>yeah, you'll likely have troubles there
18:12:13  <AvianFlu>we're also best suited to http servers, still, for the time being
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18:12:59  <ferlores>i see, I was thinking to use http to avoid the ssh stuff
18:13:05  <ferlores>https*
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18:14:17  <ferlores>another question related to this one. When I deploy from a git repo, the ".git/" is not copied, right?
18:14:30  <ferlores>(using jitsu)
18:15:15  <blakmatrix>if you use http you wont be able to push, not to github at least
18:15:41  <blakmatrix>or https
18:16:09  <ferlores>blakmatrix, really? didn't know that
18:18:00  <blakmatrix>yeah its freaking annoying github changed it so you have to use ssh urls to push to it, I dont know how many times I had to edit .git/config to reflect the ssh url because i cloned with the wrong one
18:18:33  <blakmatrix>it used to ask for your username and password before they stopped it
18:18:46  <blakmatrix>which was annoying too
18:22:08  <ferlores>so, do see some work around to this? I do need to push to github form nodejs somehow...
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18:29:16  <AvianFlu>lpin, did I just see canvas work?
18:29:22  <lpin>you did :)
18:29:29  <lpin>was just writing it
18:29:39  <AvianFlu>lolnice
18:29:47  <AvianFlu>yeah, I love watching logs and making people think I'm psychic
18:29:50  <AvianFlu>:D
18:29:50  <lpin>aww yeah
18:30:43  <lpin>i'm gonna test it defaul conf to see if node-waf works aswell
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18:31:19  <blakmatrix>ferlores: with my https://github.com/blakmatrix/node-migrator-bot which does what you are talking about I run it on a linux box i have access to
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18:32:16  <blakmatrix>at one point jesusabdullah tried to jitsu-ify it with a http wrapper but it didnt work as jitsu didnt have ssh
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18:35:38  <lpin>AvianFlu works flawlessly with npm version aswell and no env variables in the package.json
18:36:00  <lpin>just awsome
18:37:58  <lpin>thank you for all the effort you invested in this
18:42:25  <AvianFlu>lpin, SWEET
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18:46:08  <ferlores>blakmatrix, got it, thanks for the help!
18:47:55  <blakmatrix>ferlores: heck you could run with my bot if you dont have your own code :) since it will do what you just said and I seperated out the settings in app.js, hopefully its not too hard to figure out... I need to update the docs one of these days
18:49:53  <ferlores>blakmatrix, that would be great. I'm doing a custom version of hubot that works in nodejitsu. And now I need that the bot is able to create a integration branch and run some tests
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18:54:27  <blakmatrix>I made mine with flatiron :), the migratorBot has been utilized for mainly migration tasks on npm to v0.8.0, about 10-15% of all npm-github bpackages have been notified of potential issues with ther modules
18:54:42  <blakmatrix>node to v0.8.0
18:54:44  <blakmatrix>*
18:57:24  <ferlores>blakmatrix, I know! I got a notification, sweet :D
18:59:05  <blakmatrix>ferlores: if you are insistant to run this on jitsu you could make a patch after you commit the changes, and then send that patch off somewhere instead of making a PR... `git format-patch master --stdout`
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18:59:53  <ferlores>that sounds good, although I always need a linux box somewhere to do what I cannot in the cloud
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19:09:03  <lpin>guys, got the evil An error has occurred: {"code":"ECONNREFUSED","errno":"ECONNREFUSED","syscall":"connect"}
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19:12:52  <blakmatrix>lpin: OMG what did you do?
19:12:55  <blakmatrix>:)
19:13:21  <lpin>activated a snapshot :)
19:13:46  <blakmatrix>did you try it a second time, same issue?
19:13:53  <lpin>trying it now
19:14:28  <lpin>yep same thing
19:14:48  <blakmatrix>can yo ugive me a gist of the output
19:14:52  <AvianFlu>lpin, try just running `jitsu apps start`
19:14:56  <AvianFlu>blakmatrix, this is in his browser
19:15:16  <blakmatrix>o
19:15:16  <AvianFlu>lpin, if you keep refresing, it's inconsistent, right?
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19:15:30  <lpin>AvianFlu that's what i did, stop/start
19:15:41  <lpin>permanent on refresh
19:15:49  <lpin>testing another browser
19:15:50  <lpin>sec
19:16:04  <lpin>same
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19:16:30  <AvianFlu>lpin, just run `start` again by itself
19:16:35  <lpin>ok
19:17:09  <lpin>did it without stopping
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19:19:07  <lpin>no way, start is like deploy right? so another deploy won't help i guess
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19:21:50  <AvianFlu>lpin, what jitsu version are you using?
19:22:07  <lpin>0.9.3
19:22:16  <AvianFlu>lpin, try 0.9.5
19:22:25  <lpin>on my way
19:22:25  <AvianFlu>it might have something to do with some fixes we've rolled out
19:22:45  <AvianFlu>try a new deploy afterwards
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19:24:17  <lpin>that makes sense since i used 0.9.4 in the smartos machine and worked
19:24:52  <AvianFlu>lpin, your app looks like it's started, but isn't actually listening on a port
19:24:57  <AvianFlu>on the last server you deployed to
19:25:34  <AvianFlu>also, there are lots of AWS connections I see in a TIME_WAIT state - db connections without socket pooling?
19:25:40  <AvianFlu>or s3 maybe?
19:25:49  <AvianFlu>that probably wouldn't affect htis
19:27:09  <lpin>mmm shoul be listening on port 8138
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19:28:39  <lpin>still no luck with new jitsu
19:28:52  <fomatin>hey jesusabdullah & AvianFlu, free today?
19:30:58  <AvianFlu>lpin, whatever is happening, I can't even curl the app from localhost
19:31:10  <AvianFlu>on the server, I mean
19:31:16  <AvianFlu>fomatin, meetings today :(
19:32:06  <lpin>gonna check on local enviroment
19:32:18  <fomatin>ah darn
19:32:28  <fomatin>ill be in the city tomorrow also
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19:35:57  <AvianFlu>lpin, try another snapshot, too, for sanity
19:36:14  <lpin>i'm thinking about connect
19:36:18  <lpin>sec
19:37:36  <lpin>works on localhost with updated modules, activating old snapshot now
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19:40:19  <lpin>weird, activated the old working snapshot
19:40:28  <lpin>same thing
19:40:31  <AvianFlu>lpin, it looks like a restart loop actually
19:40:37  <AvianFlu>a linker error with hiredis
19:40:40  <AvianFlu>gimme a minute
19:40:57  <AvianFlu>some undefined symbol stuff
19:41:08  <AvianFlu>doesn't crash till you call the method, so it looks like it's started
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19:45:29  <lpin>so it starts but as soon as i query the db it crash?
19:46:43  <AvianFlu>pretty much
19:46:47  <lpin>gotcha
19:46:47  <AvianFlu>we're looking at it now
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19:46:57  <lpin>thanks
19:46:58  <AvianFlu>you can try setting the -m64 yourself someplace, it would probably work
19:47:03  <AvianFlu>but we're seeing wtf happened now
19:54:26  <lpin>added CXX with -m64 but same issue
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20:15:54  <AvianFlu>lpin, any idea what method in JS is making it explode?
20:16:01  <AvianFlu>like, what do you call first?
20:16:40  <lpin>yep, sec
20:17:13  <lpin>the first method is scard
20:17:43  <lpin>than srandmember
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20:24:23  <AvianFlu>lpin, remove the env stuff from the package.json
20:24:29  <AvianFlu>and try it again
20:24:38  <lpin>on my way
20:24:56  <AvianFlu>I've got a guy with a test app too
20:25:05  <AvianFlu>he's trying out scard and srandmember now
20:25:19  <AvianFlu>so we'll track it down
20:27:08  <lpin>the issue again
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20:28:21  <AvianFlu>lpin, did you delete the whole "env" thing, or just the cpp stuff
20:28:27  <lpin>whole env
20:28:46  <AvianFlu>okay, you should add back the python part - when you remove a property completely, it doesn't update
20:28:49  <AvianFlu>I forgot about that part
20:29:00  <AvianFlu>so, it didn't actually change your env last deploy >.<
20:29:21  <lpin>so i should add env with python?
20:30:10  <AvianFlu>please
20:30:22  <lpin>sure
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20:33:52  <lpin>still crushing
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20:34:50  <lpin>i call hmget on the result of srandmember
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20:44:26  <nodeer>hi
20:45:12  <nodeer>does someone know if I can run a socket.io app on a free account
20:45:20  <coderarity>nodeer, should just work
20:45:46  <yawnt>and .. hai
20:45:55  <AvianFlu>lpin, is the compiled part of the hiredis parser optional?
20:46:05  <nodeer>okay, and can I connect from external clients
20:46:05  <AvianFlu>I thought I remembered a js parser being involved at some point
20:46:35  <lpin>don't really know
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20:47:14  <AvianFlu>lpin, we can fix this, but it will probably be a couple of hours
20:47:34  <lpin>i understand
20:47:37  <AvianFlu>there's no 'hiredis' package on the systems
20:47:54  <AvianFlu>so we'll have to compile it everywhere, most likely - or you could try to statically link it and bundle it
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20:51:49  <lpin>i can wait, i will restart it tomorrow in the morning, like 7 hours
20:52:19  <yawnt>lpin: if you are talking about node-redis
20:52:22  <yawnt>hiredis is optional
20:52:39  <yawnt>"If hiredis is installed, node_redis will use it by default. Otherwise, a pure JavaScript parser will be used."
20:53:03  <lpin>ok thanks yawnt i take a look
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20:53:27  <yawnt>np
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21:03:15  <yawnt>lpin: btw guy hasn't answered yet
21:03:16  <yawnt>:(
21:03:41  <lpin>mmm sounds bad
21:04:05  <yawnt>yep, it does..
21:04:09  <lpin>did you check you reddit account (if you have one)?
21:04:12  <yawnt>i don't
21:04:23  <lpin>he sent me the preview there as a pm
21:04:38  <mmalecki>yawnt: sup?
21:04:46  <yawnt>well i have one, but i contacted him via email
21:04:52  <yawnt>so he doesn't have my reddit account
21:04:59  <lpin>true that
21:05:11  <yawnt>mmalecki: yo.. email the hotel in lisbon
21:05:15  <yawnt>time to plan the trip
21:05:16  <yawnt>:D
21:05:27  <mmalecki>yawnt: dunno, I'm doing airbnb
21:05:33  <mmalecki>not caring much yet
21:05:34  <yawnt>no i mean
21:05:37  <yawnt>i've emailed
21:05:40  <yawnt>sry typo lol
21:05:43  <mmalecki>oh, okay
21:06:04  <lpin>well wait a little more and if you get no answer start searching for someone else :)
21:06:11  <yawnt>also trying to find a decent ui/ux designer
21:06:32  <yawnt>but it appears i'm too broke for that.. anyway i set up my new project with cloudflare and it's AMAZING
21:06:35  <yawnt>i'm lovin it
21:06:41  <yawnt>how bout you?
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21:06:54  <yawnt>lpin: yep that'll do
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21:11:11  <`3rdEden>cloudflare kills websockets, they suck :(
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21:11:32  <yawnt>i don't need websocket
21:11:34  <yawnt>**s
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21:12:01  <ebpanic>Hi everyone...
21:12:15  <coderarity>ebpanic, hey
21:12:27  <`3rdEden>yawnt well atleast now know you when you run in to that issue :p
21:12:32  <`3rdEden>I found it out the hard way
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21:13:08  <ebpanic>@coderarity is flatiron a good choice for a basic website?
21:13:16  <coderarity>yeah
21:13:28  <coderarity>it's a great choice :D
21:13:29  <ebpanic>I like the modular architecture and the plates template system...
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21:13:58  <yawnt>`3rdEden: lolthx
21:14:09  <ebpanic>but it seems to be lacking a view layer that I'm used to with other frameworks like Express...
21:15:04  <ebpanic>I want to keep my templates in .html files and read them in, but there doesn't seem to be a good way to do that yet without adding a custom view module or plugin
21:15:10  <ebpanic>Am I missing something?
21:15:47  <ebpanic>It looked like there was a View layer in the road map for Flatiron, is there a public repo that I could fork and maybe contribute to?
21:15:49  <coderarity>ebpanic, yeah, we're working on that :P
21:16:24  <coderarity>ebpanic, it doesn't take that long to write a quick plugin
21:16:58  <coderarity>ebpanic, here's one I wrote: https://github.com/coderarity/coderarity/blob/master/lib/coderarity/handlebars.js
21:17:04  <ebpanic>Is a plugin the best way to approach that, as opposed to a node module?
21:17:40  <coderarity>ebpanic, well, you can make a plugin, you can move that to a module if you want I suppose
21:18:05  <yawnt>ebpanic: i'm using consolidate.js til the flatiron plugin's ready
21:19:14  <ebpanic>what are the benefits of a Flatiron plugin versus a node module? It seems like the testing becomes a little more complicated with a plugin...
21:19:27  <coderarity>ebpanic, i mean, there doesn't have to be a difference
21:19:37  <yawnt>yeah a plugin can be a module :|
21:19:48  <coderarity>ebpanic, var module = require('module'); app.use(module);
21:19:50  <ebpanic>I'm trying to learn BDD using Mocha with Chai..
21:20:03  <ebpanic>Ahhh... I see
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21:20:45  <ebpanic>I'm a little new and still learning :D
21:22:21  <ebpanic>I also see that Nodejistu has written a lot of tests using Vows... do you guys prefer that over Mocha?
21:23:42  <ebpanic>I didn't check to see if Vows could be used for testing client-side code, is this possible?
21:24:12  <coderarity>i don't think you can use vows client-side
21:24:15  <coderarity>and we use it a lot
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21:25:03  <mmalecki>lol, I'm not gonna touch a test framework which fucks with my global scope
21:25:58  <yawnt>mmalecki: i was quite skeptical
21:26:03  <ebpanic>I wasn't aware that Mocha messes with global scope...
21:26:05  <yawnt>but i must say i like mocha more than vows
21:26:28  <yawnt>it must be because of its more "intuitive" bdd approach
21:26:36  <ebpanic>is it the should.js library that you are talking about or Mocha in general?
21:26:38  <mmalecki>ebpanic: well, you magically get `declare` and whatever is there
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21:26:49  <mmalecki>mocha in general
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21:28:07  <lpin>yawnt hiredis is an optionalDependencies of node_redis itself
21:28:16  <yawnt>lpin: yep
21:28:31  <yawnt>mmalecki: but after all they're just tests
21:28:38  <yawnt>i mean.. it's not production code or whatsoever
21:28:48  <lpin>so npm try to install it, but if it fails, ignore it and assume the package can work in its absence.
21:28:55  <lpin>but this is not the case
21:29:03  <ebpanic>yawnt: I was thinking the same thing... but I'm also new to testing and bdd
21:29:31  <ebpanic>yawnt: have you used mocha to test flatiron apps?
21:29:34  <yawnt>yep
21:29:36  <yawnt>no wait
21:29:45  <yawnt>not flatiron
21:29:49  <yawnt>other stuff
21:30:04  <ebpanic>is it something you would recommend?
21:30:20  <ebpanic>..for flatiron, I mean?
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21:32:11  <ebpanic>yawnt: I'm also looking for a way to test the restful interface, I guess using some type http test helper if there is one out there. Is there one that you would recommend using with mocha and chai?
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21:33:28  <coderarity>(we have one for vows https://github.com/flatiron/api-easy )
21:34:00  <ebpanic>coderarity: yeah I saw that and it was looking pretty good.. :D
21:34:26  <lpin>so node_redis readme is kinda outdated To use hiredis, do: npm install hiredis redis. No i will be used by default since it is an optionalDependencies of the package
21:34:29  <yawnt>i like api-easy for flatiron
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21:35:23  <ebpanic>yawnt: so is it correct to assume that you use vows + api-easy for flatiron server-side and mocha for client-side testing?
21:36:27  <ebpanic>yawnt: I was really hoping to be able to stick with one test framework that worked well for both client and server side
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21:36:58  <yawnt>ebpanic: i use mocha for libs
21:37:03  <yawnt>and api-easy for http stuff
21:37:25  <ebpanic>yawnt: ahhhh... cool thanks!
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21:38:20  <coderarity>is mocha the only isomorphic test framework? like something that works on both client and server?
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21:41:49  <mmalecki>well, assert module works on the client too
21:41:56  <mmalecki>and I use it in my projects
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21:45:05  <ebpanic>coderarity: mocha is the only isomorphic bdd framework that I know of...
21:45:34  <coderarity>i think jasmine might do it?
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21:53:56  <ebpanic>coderarity: thanks, I'm going to take another look at jasmine
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22:03:03  <ebpanic>Thanks everyone for the helpful answers!
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22:16:01  <lpin>AvianFlu have i any chance to hit a fixed now?
22:16:45  <lpin>*server
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22:19:03  <coderarity>lpin, might as well try
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22:20:42  <mmoulton>I seem to be having a problem with intermittent connectivity for a site I have deployed. Nothing showing in logs. Are there any outages right now?
22:20:57  <mmoulton>Sites at http://meltmedia.jit.su
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22:22:54  <coderarity>mmoulton, what do you mean intermittent connectivity? sometimes you can't connect? seems to work fine for me
22:23:36  <ebpanic>coderarity: I really like the projects that the Nodejitsu team has created... what's the best way to contribute? I'd like to help work on the view layer plugin for Flatiron, if that's possible
22:23:59  <coderarity>ebpanic, well for stuff that's out there, it's public and you can make pull requests
22:24:01  <mmoulton>It's as if it just locks up... Don't get the Nodejitsu 404 page, just a stalled connection, then eventualy this:
22:24:02  <mmoulton>Error 324 (net::ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE): The server closed the connection without sending any data.
22:24:19  <chilts>best way to constribute is to send patches, well pull requests in the GitHub economy :)
22:24:37  <coderarity>mmoulton, hmmm, and this is only occasionally?
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22:24:52  <lpin>not working yet, but got a proper erro now :)
22:24:57  <lpin>time to sleep
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22:24:59  <mmoulton>Yes. Happened just a bit ago. And again last night.
22:25:04  <lpin>cu later
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22:26:00  <mmoulton>I still haven't ruled out that it's our app, but I can't find anything telling in our logs.
22:26:23  <coderarity>mmoulton, i haven't heard of that happening before
22:27:04  <mmoulton>It seems to be happening again.
22:27:21  <coderarity>any specific page?
22:28:14  <mmoulton>`curl -I http://meltmedia.jit.su` is timing out. Haven't tried past home page.
22:28:30  <mmoulton>It usualy resolves itself if I stop the app, and restart
22:28:46  <ebpanic>coderarity: is there a way to know which issues are priority and have a high probability of being merged into the main project?...
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22:29:41  <coderarity>hmmm
22:29:52  <ebpanic>coderarity: meaning how often does nodejistu look at the open issues and prioritize to help guide potential contributors? Am I asking a ridiculous question?
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22:30:19  <coderarity>ebpanic, we try to keep up on github issues
22:31:04  <mmalecki>(gets hard with 6 or so organizations tho)
22:31:25  <coderarity>ebpanic, if you make a pull request it'll get reviewed eventually, probably based on how important of a fix it is and how much code there is to review
22:32:32  <coderarity>i usually try to keep pull requests small
22:33:46  <mmoulton>Okay, like last night, after a stop / start cycle, the app came back up without a problem.
22:33:54  <ebpanic>coderarity: so is looking at the open issues on github and submitting patches a good way to start? I don't have any feature ideas for the flatiron framework yet, as I'm still learning how to use it. But I don't want to wait for inspiration to strike before I contribute. you know? :D
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22:35:12  <coderarity>mmoulton, interesting, that should just tell haiku to restart your app, so i think it may be an app problem
22:35:15  <coderarity>haibu*
22:35:29  <coderarity>ebpanic, yes
22:35:50  <ebpanic>coderarity: Thanks!
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22:36:27  <mmalecki>mmoulton: you're doing `jitsu apps restart` or `jitsu apps start`?
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22:41:55  <mmoulton>@mmalecki: In this case, I used the web console.
22:42:33  <mmalecki>oh my.
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22:42:42  <mmalecki>ok, which button did you press? restart?
22:43:04  <mmoulton>Nope, first 'Stop', waited for it to succeed, then presses 'Start'
22:43:37  <coderarity>mmoulton, i got a 500 error when I ran that command you sent, btw
22:43:41  <mmoulton>That fixed the problem. Prior to that, nothing seemed to be routing to my app when requesting http://meltmedia.jit.su or http://meltmedia.nodejitsu.com
22:44:28  <coderarity>alright
22:45:05  <mmoulton>coderarity: anything in the body? or interesting headers? When I ran that when the app was not responding, I only got 'curl: (52) Empty reply from server'
22:45:18  <mmoulton>Now I get a proper 'HTTP/1.1 200 OK'
22:45:30  <coderarity>mmoulton, well, i did curl -I, and it's working fine now
22:45:41  <coderarity>so i don't really have much to show
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22:46:15  <coderarity>other than connection: keep-alive
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22:46:59  <mmoulton>Any ideas on troubleshooting to determine if the problem is in the nodejitsu infistructure, or my app itself? We are going to put in an endpoint to hit that will log dome debug info, that way if it happens again, we can be sure to know if the request is even getting to our code base.
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22:47:51  <coderarity>i mean, the request could be getting there and still be closed by the load balancer
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22:49:46  <coderarity>mmoulton, well, i gotta head home, but i'll keep an eye on it and wait for it to get in that state again, and see what i can figure out
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22:50:25  <mmoulton>Thanks. I'll hop back on IRC if it happens again. We can troubleshoot. I may know more then.
22:50:31  <mmoulton>Appreciate the help.
22:50:54  <coderarity>sweet
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23:54:48  <adollaroutof15c>It seems my app's logs are not working, I keep refreshing the logs but they look the same, I tried restarting the app too and I still get a list of old logs no new ones
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