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01:01:34  <Taneem>hey - any nodejitsu staff around?
01:03:16  <jesusabdullah>Taneem: What's up?
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01:04:12  <Taneem>member:jesusabdullah: I've been trying to jitsu deploy all day and it hasn't worked once ... I'm also getting bcrypt errors like I did a few weeks ago when you guys told me to put the python include in my package.json
01:04:28  <Taneem>this is my package file: https://gist.github.com/3382546
01:05:28  <jesusabdullah>what kind of bcrypt errors?
01:05:44  <Taneem>member:jesusabdullah: and this is the error i get https://gist.github.com/3383744
01:05:45  <jesusabdullah>and what does "hasn't worked" entail?
01:05:58  <Taneem>either I get socket hangup errors
01:06:03  <Taneem>or the error I just linked to
01:06:27  <jesusabdullah>socket hangups at which stage?
01:06:45  <jesusabdullah>blakmatrix: Can you investigate the bcrypt errors?
01:07:04  <Taneem>they happen after the system attempts to start the app
01:07:10  <jesusabdullah>show me
01:07:13  <jesusabdullah>you know the drill
01:07:17  <Taneem>one sec
01:07:57  <Taneem>https://gist.github.com/3383750
01:08:20  <Taneem>jesusabdullah: one thing I changed today is the node engine version from 0.6.x to 0.8.x
01:08:21  <jesusabdullah>username?
01:08:30  <Taneem>joylist
01:08:38  <Taneem>or joylister ... :\
01:09:00  <Taneem>nope, its joylist
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01:10:33  <jesusabdullah>it takes a long time before you get a socket hangup yeah?
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01:10:51  <Taneem>2-3 minutes maybe
01:11:00  <jesusabdullah>that's a long time
01:11:04  <Taneem>i go away and do other things
01:11:05  <Taneem>so ya
01:11:11  <jesusabdullah>How long does your app take to spawn locally?
01:11:25  <jesusabdullah>we have timeouts on this stuff y'know
01:11:44  <Taneem>I don't have haibu locally, so I don't know, but I've been deploying the app as recently as last night with no real probs
01:11:56  <jesusabdullah>but you do have node locally
01:12:05  <Taneem>yes, and there it takes basically no time
01:12:07  <jesusabdullah>try rm -rf node_modules && npm install && npm start
01:12:21  <Taneem>on my local machine?
01:12:24  <jesusabdullah>yes
01:12:40  <jesusabdullah>and remember, we consider "starting" the instant when you create an http listener
01:12:56  <Taneem>well thats what i was describing too
01:13:00  <Taneem>let me try your command
01:13:09  <jesusabdullah>yeah, just so you're aware of the time
01:14:24  <Taneem>hm so that failed: https://gist.github.com/3383766
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01:30:28  <Taneem>jesusabdullah: so, anything else I can do?
01:32:14  <ccowan>Does Nodejitsu offer a hosted database?
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01:38:05  <jesusabdullah>ccowan: type "jitsu databases"
01:38:09  <jesusabdullah>ccowan: not colocated
01:39:34  <jesusabdullah>Taneem: that particular problem can be fixed by making the scripts.start "node server.js" instead of "server.js"
01:40:03  <jesusabdullah>Taneem: I'm still working on dinner, when I've eaten I'll look more
01:40:12  <Taneem>alright
01:41:23  <Taneem>and that worked on my local machine .. took about 4 seconds
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02:19:03  <jesusabdullah>Taneem: it went up for me
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02:19:37  <Taneem>trying again then
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02:22:40  <Taneem>jesusabdullah: socket hang up error
02:22:58  <jesusabdullah>Yeah, I'm looking at the box now
02:23:09  <Taneem>ok thanks
02:23:52  <jesusabdullah>I'm gonna have to talk to the devops guys about this, I'm not really sure what's up here
02:24:05  <jesusabdullah>You know we have zero downtime deploys though right?
02:24:18  <jesusabdullah>Meaning when these deploys fail, your old deploy's still up
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02:33:48  <deoxxa>http://imgur.com/CmqnX so this is what `git rebase' feels like when you think you've completely killed your repo
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02:44:06  <Taneem>jesusabdullah: thanks, and yes I'm aware. Still want to be pushing out new builds though :)
02:44:22  <Taneem>I do love the zero downtime
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04:25:28  <tizzo>I'm having an issue with plates where I set up two mappings but only one will ever be respected, more than one explicit mapping should be possible, right?
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04:29:22  <tizzo>hrm, the order appears to be relevant?
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04:31:32  <jesusabdullah>tizzo: meaning if something fits two mappings it only hits the first?
04:32:18  <tizzo>jesusabdullah: meaning I'm mapping the text in a link and the href in a link and one ordering has it failing and one succeeding
04:32:28  <tizzo>I'll pastebin, one sec
04:32:32  <jesusabdullah>okay
04:35:00  <kmiyashiro>https://gist.github.com/bd99ac42f5b481af7af7
04:35:04  <kmiyashiro>I tried deploying and got this error
04:35:07  <kmiyashiro>just npm updated everything
04:35:23  <kmiyashiro>using 0.8
04:35:40  <tizzo>jesusabdullah: http://pastebin.com/TxHmpypP
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04:38:55  <tizzo>I'm running node v0.6.12, could that be it?
04:39:01  <tizzo>jesusabdullah: ^
04:39:10  <jesusabdullah>tizzo: yeah I can't imagine that being intentional. Can you make an issue at http://github.com/flatiron/plates/issues/new ?
04:39:18  <tizzo>sure thing
04:39:28  <jesusabdullah>tizzo: and I doubt 0.6 v. 0.6 makes much of a difference, it's mostly regexps
04:39:33  <jesusabdullah>it's like a baby html parser
04:40:00  <tizzo>I don't have a ton of node experience with node templating so I just assumed I was doing something wrong
04:40:04  <tizzo>jesusabdullah: thanks for looking
04:40:18  <jesusabdullah>kmiyashiro: Can you upgrade to 0.8.7 ?
04:40:25  <kmiyashiro>just did and tried again, same error
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04:41:31  <jesusabdullah>kmiyashiro: My guess is that something's got a stale version of npm, in one of the deps. Can you uninstall jitsu, nuke your npm cache, and try again?
04:41:48  <jesusabdullah>kmiyashiro: npm cache clean might work, rm -rf the cache folder otherwise
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04:46:32  <kmiyashiro>nope, same problem
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04:48:11  <jesusabdullah>Are you sure you deleted the npm cache? Like, with a straight up rm -rf?
04:48:15  <kmiyashiro>oh wait
04:48:15  <jesusabdullah>Also, what's your OS?
04:48:18  <kmiyashiro>now it's working
04:48:23  <kmiyashiro>I did everything again
04:48:37  <kmiyashiro>horay
04:48:37  <jesusabdullah>woot
04:48:53  <kmiyashiro>now it looks like my app is not starting
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04:50:13  <jesusabdullah>well, what's the error?
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04:52:09  <kmiyashiro>looks like it finally started
04:52:21  <kmiyashiro>but I reset my password and it won't let me log in to the website with the new password
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04:59:45  <kmiyashiro>humm
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05:31:54  <Raynos>time to deploy some code to nodejitsu!
05:32:13  <Raynos>not that I know my user or password
05:32:29  <Raynos>oh wow that worked
05:35:30  <AvianFlu>Raynos: ++
05:35:30  <kohai>Raynos has 5 beers
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06:02:59  <kmiyashiro>hmm
06:03:01  <kmiyashiro>I'm getting An error has occurred: {"code":"ECONNREFUSED","errno":"ECONNREFUSED","syscall":"connect"}
06:03:42  <AvianFlu>kmiyashiro: it probably means your app crashed in a way that didn't update properly - try running a `jitsu apps start`
06:03:56  <AvianFlu>it'll move it to a fresh drone server, an likely rectify the issue
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06:04:16  <kmiyashiro>error: Nodejitsu Error (500): Internal Server Error
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06:04:31  <AvianFlu>is that all you saw?
06:04:35  <kmiyashiro>error: Error: socket hang up
06:04:36  <AvianFlu>gist the terminal output, if there was more
06:05:06  <kmiyashiro>https://gist.github.com/1c921cb3813cc01caa1f
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06:06:07  <AvianFlu>kmiyashiro: your currently deployed app is in a crash loop
06:06:16  <kmiyashiro>hmm
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06:06:24  <AvianFlu>can you gist your package.json?
06:06:38  <AvianFlu>if you're using node_redis, you should try to disable the optional hiredis dep
06:06:49  <AvianFlu>they have a strange makefile that doesn't get along well with smartOS
06:07:12  <kmiyashiro> "connect-redis": ">=1.0.7",
06:07:12  <kmiyashiro> "redis": ">=0.6.7",
06:07:29  <AvianFlu>run `npm shrinkwrap`
06:07:35  <AvianFlu>see if you see hiredis in the resulting file
06:08:11  <kmiyashiro>yeah, hiredis
06:08:16  <kmiyashiro>how do I disable
06:10:02  <kmiyashiro>what's weird is that it was just working
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06:12:21  <Raynos>https://gist.github.com/68d894cc7ebe5a35a421
06:12:38  <AvianFlu>kmiyashiro: their makefile is really strange
06:12:47  <AvianFlu>just remove it from the shrinkwrap file
06:12:54  <AvianFlu>and then try to redeploy
06:13:18  <Raynos>did I make a bad assumption that nodejitsu supports 0.8.x already?
06:13:25  <AvianFlu>Raynos: we do
06:13:36  <Raynos>then why did I get a 500 from jitsu?
06:13:36  <kmiyashiro>where is the shrinkwrap file?
06:13:38  <AvianFlu>Raynos: you don't have "repository": "" in your package.json, do you?
06:13:47  <Raynos>oh lol
06:13:51  <Raynos>I do have it
06:13:55  <Raynos>but its not a public repo
06:14:01  <AvianFlu>Raynos: haibu hates that line in package.json
06:14:07  <AvianFlu>leads to really bizarre silent failures
06:14:35  <AvianFlu>I'm talking about having an empty string there
06:14:40  <AvianFlu>not just having the field
06:14:51  <AvianFlu>kmiyashiro: it gets generated by shrinkwrap
06:15:04  <AvianFlu>you can also just try using bundleDependencies
06:15:07  <AvianFlu>pacakge.json.jit.su
06:15:25  <AvianFlu>http://package.json.jit.su
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06:16:55  <kmiyashiro>shrinkwrap fails on connect and jade
06:18:11  <Raynos>http://discoverynetwork.co/
06:18:20  <Raynos>nodejitsu doesn't know how to handle my DNS CNAME
06:18:34  <Raynos>http://raynos.discovery-network-server.jit.su/ works
06:19:23  <Raynos>oh I see I have to use A records
06:21:12  <axefrog>what should I use for mocking? I can't seem to find a consensus on what is most effective.
06:22:26  <Raynos>axefrog: sinonjs
06:22:50  <Raynos>Launching this server was easy! Thanks #nodejitsu
06:23:24  <axefrog>Raynos - is that what you use?
06:23:33  <jesusabdullah>what kind of mocking
06:23:35  <Raynos>axefrog: yes
06:23:38  <jesusabdullah>I've used nock for gttp nocks
06:23:40  <jesusabdullah>er, mocks
06:23:44  <jesusabdullah>and, er, http
06:23:55  <axefrog>Raynos - thanks
06:24:03  <axefrog>jesus - do you work at nodejiitsu?
06:24:09  <axefrog>nodejitsu*
06:24:18  <jesusabdullah>yes
06:24:25  <axefrog>what do you guys mostly use internally?
06:24:45  <jesusabdullah>for what?
06:24:48  <axefrog>mocking\
06:24:53  <jesusabdullah>what kind of mocking?
06:26:03  <axefrog>ok, i guess i'm still getting my head around the way things work in node.js land. In the .Net world, everything is statically-typed, so there's no "what type of mocking" question. You either mock or you don't. I guess I need to mock modules and setup verifications and so forth...?
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06:27:30  <jesusabdullah>Oh, you don't need anything special for that
06:27:32  <jesusabdullah>you just make objects
06:27:51  <Raynos>I use sinon for spy functions
06:28:00  <Raynos>for when I want to mock functions because they are a pain to mock
06:28:08  <jesusabdullah>nock punches the http module so you can test api clients and the like
06:28:09  <Raynos>generally you don't need to mock
06:28:24  <jesusabdullah>yeah, oftentimes you don't need to do anything too crazy
06:28:48  <axefrog>jesus - you don't use verifications to ensure that specific signatures/argument combinations were used?
06:29:26  <axefrog>oh i guess you can do that easily too
06:29:32  <axefrog>i.e. in-function
06:30:01  <jesusabdullah>You mean asserts?
06:30:04  <jesusabdullah>require('assert')
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06:31:41  <axefrog>no, as in, for example i call a method on my class which calls into other modules, such as a repository or otherwise, and i want to test that a specific set of those calls were made, using certain arguments. But I guess with deepEquals and so forth, that's easy enough without using specific mocking frameworks
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06:32:24  <axefrog>one test might simply be "did this service method call the repository with a given value"
06:32:59  <axefrog>or, "i expected the repository to be called exactly 3 times, with each of these values"
06:33:24  <jesusabdullah>what is a service method and what is a repository in this context?
06:33:55  <axefrog>ah yeah, ok so a service method would be a business object and a repository would be a standard CRUD proxy in the data layer
06:34:09  <jesusabdullah>yessch
06:34:17  <axefrog>the repository would be referenced by the business object, which would in turn be referenced by an MVC controller
06:34:22  <jesusabdullah>.Net sounds terrible
06:34:56  <axefrog>it's not, it's just different. and what i just described is a pattern. you can do things however you want. what i described is a very standard three-tier setup.
06:35:00  <jesusabdullah>but yeah, I'd just write some code that had a stack of assert functions that popped them off whenever the object you make is called
06:36:15  <jesusabdullah>your mock object, I mean
06:36:24  <axefrog>right
06:36:27  <axefrog>i'm curious, what i described sounds very different to what you seem to be used to. how are you arranging a standard web application? if you don't separate your db calls into a separate class, it's hard to reuse them.
06:36:38  <Raynos>how does the nodejitsu free plan work?
06:36:58  <jesusabdullah>Raynos: no permanent free plan. The "dev sandbox" is for, like, farting around, trying it out
06:37:04  <jesusabdullah>Raynos: cheapest plan is $3.0 for a drone
06:37:05  <Raynos>I see
06:37:07  <jesusabdullah>$3.00
06:37:09  <jesusabdullah>a month
06:37:15  <Raynos>So I deployed something on jitsu
06:37:21  <Raynos>I dont think Im paying
06:37:24  <Raynos>when does it get taken down?
06:37:42  <jesusabdullah>I don't know the specific details, but it'll stay up until we implement billing
06:37:45  <jesusabdullah>at the very least
06:37:55  <jesusabdullah>and there should be mass emails about "the transition" so to speak
06:37:56  <Raynos>oh I cant pay you yet?
06:38:02  <axefrog>also, if you separate things out logically, they're easier to test, and easier to apply SRP to
06:38:03  <jesusabdullah>not yet! but SOON
06:38:07  <jesusabdullah>SRP?
06:38:10  <Raynos>billing is like one day :P
06:38:15  <Raynos>one day of code
06:38:18  <axefrog>single responsibility principle
06:39:43  <jesusabdullah>Don't get me wrong axefrog, I generally split my code up into a model (either an object that has the api calls and shit in it) and do some kinda service layer-y thing for routes, it just never struck me as something complicated enough to need such an overbuilt vocabulary
06:40:38  <axefrog>yeah, i just have three layers. one presents, one coordinates and one hits the database. the vocabulary is fairly standard stuff. i've found over my career that it's pretty normal jargon that people use.
06:40:39  <jesusabdullah>axefrog: I use broadway as a lightweight IoC container, and when it fits I use resourceful
06:40:46  <jesusabdullah>well
06:40:49  <jesusabdullah>your career's in .Net
06:40:54  <jesusabdullah>I mean
06:40:54  <axefrog>sure
06:41:18  <jesusabdullah>I guess the three layers in flatiron are resources, views, and presenters
06:41:18  <axefrog>you see the same thing in C++, Java, etc too
06:41:27  <axefrog>i think it's more statically-typed jargon than .Net-specific
06:41:40  <jesusabdullah>I'm a dynamic language kinda guy axefrog, all that stuff seems overbuilt to me
06:41:47  <jesusabdullah>Like, compare Spring to Broadway
06:41:52  <axefrog>I dunno, I think it's just different
06:41:55  <jesusabdullah>they're both implementing an IoC model
06:42:04  <jesusabdullah>but doing it in Spring involves, like, xml and shit
06:42:11  <axefrog>I haven't used spring. I'd heard it was a bit old and bloated
06:42:18  <jesusabdullah>I mean, probably
06:42:22  <jesusabdullah>it's java ;)
06:42:24  <axefrog>heh
06:42:33  <jesusabdullah>i came from python before node
06:42:35  <jesusabdullah>so, like
06:42:40  <jesusabdullah>I imagine that it's like java's twisted
06:42:44  <jesusabdullah>except not really "about" events
06:42:53  <jesusabdullah>but twisted's a clusterfuck man
06:42:57  <axefrog>well don't believe all of your first impressions, there are much nicer and more fluent/fluif ways of doing a lot of this stuff in popular static languages
06:43:01  <jesusabdullah>glad I was doing mostly science stuff
06:43:25  <axefrog>it's just that the frameworks and ways of getting things done evolve over time
06:43:38  <axefrog>i agree, having xml config files is a bit shit
06:43:51  <jesusabdullah>Sure axefrog, I've seen some well-written java code and I've seen some reasonably good webstuff in python
06:44:03  <jesusabdullah>more C than java though
06:44:14  <axefrog>*nod
06:44:29  <jesusabdullah>Have you fucked with bukkit at all?
06:44:34  <jesusabdullah>For minecraft server mods n' shit?
06:44:52  <axefrog>One of the reasons I'm writing a few web apps in node is (a) I wanted to see what all the fuss was about, but also (b) I want to have a broader knowledge of ways to get things done
06:44:56  <axefrog>nah
06:45:31  <jesusabdullah>It's the one java project that interests me right now
06:45:41  <jesusabdullah>I mean, there are other neat things done in java
06:45:44  <axefrog>but mainly because it's minecraft, right?
06:45:47  <jesusabdullah>but that's the particular one
06:45:48  <jesusabdullah>well, yeah
06:45:54  <jesusabdullah>but I mean, is that so bad?
06:46:00  <axefrog>nah java's fine
06:46:03  <jesusabdullah>I don't really choose not to get into something just cause of the language
06:46:04  <axefrog>I prefer C# myself
06:46:09  <axefrog>yeah for sure
06:46:11  <jesusabdullah>Hell, I've read up on mono a bit
06:46:20  <jesusabdullah>it's just that I have a certain set of things I want to code up
06:46:26  <jesusabdullah>and javascript's sufficient for a lot of it
06:46:31  <axefrog>yep
06:46:38  <jesusabdullah>python's sufficient for some of it, particularly things js isn't
06:46:43  <jesusabdullah>and C's kinda fast
06:47:07  <axefrog>my decision about whether I'll spend time on a language i'm not used to is whether I have to spend trial-and-erroring all the framework/API stuff surrounding it until I start to feel like I can be effective in that environment
06:47:08  <jesusabdullah>so then I look at what I can do with C# or java that I can't really do so well in those other choices...it's not a big field
06:47:21  <axefrog>whether I have ^time^ to
06:47:32  <jesusabdullah>same with ruby, I'd play with ruby if there was something cool I could do with it
06:47:38  <jesusabdullah>that I can't "just do in x"
06:47:50  <axefrog>yeh, i wouldn't mind learning some ruby, again to figure out why everyone loves it so much
06:47:58  <jesusabdullah>I suspect ruby as a language ain't bad
06:48:07  <jesusabdullah>I should use its awk mode
06:48:16  <axefrog>ah, not familiar with that
06:48:24  <jesusabdullah>Yeah, it's an easter egg
06:48:29  <jesusabdullah>but perl had an awk mode
06:48:32  <jesusabdullah>and so ruby has one too
06:48:40  <axefrog>what's it do?
06:48:50  <jesusabdullah>well like, you know anything about awk?
06:48:54  <axefrog>nope
06:49:17  <jesusabdullah>So it's this old-school text processing language where you write a bunch of condition/function pairs
06:49:23  <jesusabdullah>and it pattern matches each line against the condition
06:49:33  <jesusabdullah>and if it passes, runs the block associated with it
06:49:41  <jesusabdullah>so like, I've thought about doing this in js, something like
06:49:56  <axefrog>oh, F# cando something like that. derived from OCaml i think?
06:50:12  <axefrog>ocaml? caml? talking out my arse?
06:50:24  <axefrog>*shrug
06:50:30  <jesusabdullah>require('awk')([ 'BEGIN', function () { /* called on 1st line */ }, someRegexp, function () /* called on someRegexp.match */ } ]);
06:50:33  <jesusabdullah>yeah, ocaml
06:50:40  <jesusabdullah>I don't know a lot about F# but I do know that
06:50:47  <axefrog>kk
06:50:50  <jesusabdullah>I understand it as a .net flavored ocaml
06:50:57  <axefrog>yeah pretty much
06:50:59  <jesusabdullah>I haven't done much ocaml but I looked into it for a time
06:51:15  <jesusabdullah>did you know fftw is written partially in ocaml?
06:51:23  <axefrog>fftw? :)\
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06:51:34  <jesusabdullah>Like, they use ocaml to generate optimized C code for the specific platform
06:51:40  <jesusabdullah>fastest fourier transform in the west
06:51:46  <axefrog>Oh that's pretty tricky
06:52:01  <jesusabdullah>open source fourier transform lib that's fast as fuck
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06:52:21  <axefrog>how long you been doing this for?
06:52:28  <axefrog>(coding and stuff)
06:52:28  <jesusabdullah>doing which?
06:52:43  <jesusabdullah>oh, like 5 or 6 years, mostly scientific computing though
06:52:44  <lpin>hello everyone
06:52:48  <axefrog>ah k
06:52:53  <jesusabdullah>last 18 months or so, eating and breathing node
06:53:01  <axefrog>*nod
06:53:12  <jesusabdullah>before js, lots of scipy, matlab, stuff like that
06:53:13  <axefrog>i've only been noding for about 6 weeks
06:53:29  <jesusabdullah>but it sounds like you've been coding in general for some time
06:54:03  <axefrog>i've missed out on a lot of the more obscure language stuff as i've focussed more on front end stuff, and mostly .net for back end
06:54:20  <axefrog>well, i got my first web monkey job in 2000
06:54:31  <axefrog>before that i had done qbasic and some C\
06:55:00  <axefrog>and interleaved design through everything.
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06:55:48  <axefrog>the advantage of having lots of front end stuff is i am pretty strong in javascript, which has helped me get into node
06:56:45  <axefrog>discovered jade last week. after writing my own view engine and subsequently shelving it.
07:00:23  <jcrugzz>jesusabdullah: has there been any solution for the constant socket hangups?
07:00:24  <kmiyashiro>hmm
07:00:46  <axefrog>jc - i think there's am jitsu update for that
07:00:52  <axefrog>iirc
07:01:06  <jcrugzz>axefrog: I like the sound of that
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07:03:38  <kmiyashiro>is bundleDependencies a nodejitsu thing?
07:03:46  <kmiyashiro>how does it know to take in the node_modules?
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07:08:55  <lpin>i'm getting socket socket hang up aswell
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07:28:23  <Raynos>getting a 500 from jitsu on `"repository": "git://github.com/Raynos/stream-chat.git",`
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07:29:09  <Raynos>this is annoying
07:29:41  <lpin>Raynos try to use https://github.com/Raynos/stream-char/tarball/master in place of git link
07:29:53  <lpin>stream-chat
07:30:01  <lpin>i wrote char* sorry
07:30:15  <Raynos>lpin: I replaced the string with an object
07:30:18  <Raynos>and the bug went away
07:30:38  <lpin>k
07:30:42  <Raynos>oh never mind
07:30:45  <Raynos>another different bug ._.
07:31:33  <lpin>also i thought it was a dep
07:31:36  <lpin>my bad
07:32:45  <lpin>Raynos is that a private repo?
07:32:52  <Raynos>i changed the uri from git to http
07:32:54  <Raynos>and the bug went away
07:32:57  <lpin>ok
07:33:09  <lpin>http://package.json.jit.su/
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07:45:09  <kmiyashiro>yeah
07:45:16  <kmiyashiro>I don't think these socket errors are just me
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07:52:21  <jcrugzz>nope
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07:53:26  <yawnt>well well well, what do we have here
07:53:28  <yawnt>hai :|
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07:56:27  <jcrugzz>a dead zone
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08:03:37  <jcrugzz>these drones must have turned evil though. they reject my app
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08:16:42  <tprice>does socket.io work with you guys?
08:16:59  <jcrugzz>tprice: it does.
08:17:22  <tprice>my app keeps lettng me Cannot GET /socket.io/1/?t=1345277604429
08:17:48  <jcrugzz>tprice: in the browser its telling you that?
08:17:56  <tprice>it works localy
08:18:01  <tprice>yeah
08:18:19  <jcrugzz>tprice: you made sure to change the connect to point at the nodejitsu domain?
08:18:33  <jcrugzz>the io.connect
08:20:38  <tprice>im not using the domain i leave it blank
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08:21:12  <tprice>wtf kk it was express
08:21:24  <tprice>im used to 2.x not 3.x
08:21:27  <tprice>thanks
08:21:40  <jcrugzz>tprice: np ha
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08:22:14  <tprice>what env var will tell me im under your platform?
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08:23:54  <jcrugzz>tprice: I dont actually work for nodejitsu honestly, I just use the service. I dont believe there is one though.
08:24:24  <tprice>lol sorry about that
08:25:13  <jcrugzz>tprice: its a fair assumption for someone helping hah
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08:27:32  <dshaw_>Anyone home?
08:27:42  <tprice>ello
08:27:49  <jcrugzz>not many
08:27:53  <dshaw_>http://dshaw.com/ 's been down all day.
08:28:50  <jcrugzz>ahh, one of them fun errors. They definitely have some drone issues. I'm at about 20 failed deploys
08:28:53  <jcrugzz>in a row
08:29:13  <dshaw_>jcrugzz: Just redeploy?
08:29:24  <deoxxa>seems to be the current workaround
08:29:29  <dshaw_>OK
08:29:34  <dshaw_>Thanks, all.
08:29:34  <deoxxa>"more hammers!"
08:29:57  <jcrugzz>dshaw_: hopefully it works
08:30:22  <axefrog>dshaw - been listening to nodeup - great podcast, keep it up!
08:30:50  <dshaw_>axefrog: Thanks. Glad you're enjoying it.
08:30:59  <yawnt>hai dshaw_ deoxxa
08:31:26  * deoxxanods
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08:32:05  <yawnt>lol
08:32:15  <yawnt>deoxxa: are you coming to lxjs?
08:32:22  <deoxxa>lxjs?
08:32:26  <yawnt>lisbon js
08:32:28  <dshaw_>axefrog: you might have me emceeing another show soon… we'll revisit that again after that happens. ;-)
08:32:51  <deoxxa>nope :<
08:32:52  <axefrog>ah cool - what's it gonna be about?
08:33:00  <dshaw_>dshaw.com 's back
08:33:21  <yawnt>deoxxa: :<
08:33:26  <tprice>are there limits on the drones?
08:33:28  <dshaw_>Mikeal's just going on a hardcore travel stint.
08:33:28  <yawnt>hurry, take a plane
08:33:41  <dshaw_>He's my favorite emcee.
08:33:47  <axefrog>ah right
08:34:06  <deoxxa>yawnt: lol i'm only getting back to melbourne like a week before that, i wouldn't have time anyway... i have to work at some point! :P
08:34:07  <dshaw_>Just keeping the flow flowing.
08:34:22  <yawnt>deoxxa: work?
08:34:24  <yawnt>what's that?
08:34:27  <deoxxa>ha
08:34:44  <yawnt>there's only fun when programming
08:34:48  <yawnt>i dunno what work is
08:35:03  <deoxxa>my wallet runs javascript, it's asynchronous - i work and then later results show up
08:35:13  <yawnt>lol
08:35:25  <axefrog>hmm... I'm wasting too much time. i don't think i can do TDD in node. DTT works better :P
08:35:29  <yawnt>so your wallet can handle multiple requests at once
08:35:33  <axefrog>DDT i mean
08:35:40  <yawnt>i think tickets for lxjs are gone though
08:35:45  <deoxxa>true
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08:35:53  <deoxxa>i'm going to jscamp.asia
08:36:07  <deoxxa>and the campjs.com thing
08:36:09  <yawnt>still
08:36:10  <yawnt>http://lanyrd.com/2012/lxjs/
08:36:12  <yawnt>l00k who speaks
08:36:16  <dshaw_>Got to get some SLEEP cycles. Thanks again. 'night.
08:36:25  <yawnt>cya
08:36:27  <axefrog>seeya
08:36:27  <dshaw_>Come to Node Dublin.
08:36:42  <yawnt>can't too expensive, i'll be in lisbon though dshaw_
08:36:51  <deoxxa>damn, that would be pretty cool yawnt
08:36:53  <yawnt>*can't,
08:36:56  <dshaw_>yawnt: excellent
08:37:01  <yawnt>i'll see you there
08:37:12  <yawnt>i couldn't come to jsday.it but
08:37:19  <yawnt>i'm not missing lxjs for sure :D
08:37:30  <dshaw_>Node Dublin might actually see this: http://cl.ly/image/1b3c0V2y230J
08:37:36  <yawnt>deoxxa: yeah schedule rocks
08:37:51  <yawnt>lol raimbows
08:37:55  <yawnt>*rainbows
08:38:14  <yawnt>deoxxa: link to js asia?
08:38:45  * dshaw_part
08:39:11  <yawnt>590 $
08:39:13  <yawnt>gosh
08:40:35  <kmiyashiro>anyone else getting 500s when trying to deploy?
08:41:04  <axefrog>i was yesterday but then it cleared up
08:42:45  <deoxxa>yawnt: yeah, i got mine half price - 5 minutes before the tickets officially went on sale ;)
08:42:59  <yawnt>jscamp looks awesome
08:43:09  <yawnt>i got friends in melbourne i could live by
08:43:15  <yawnt>how far is melbourne from the venue?
08:43:23  <yawnt>*campjs
08:43:32  <deoxxa>oh campjs?
08:43:43  <deoxxa>jscamp.asia and campjs.com are different things - confusing names
08:43:46  <yawnt>i know
08:43:48  <deoxxa>oh
08:43:50  <yawnt>jscamp is too expensive
08:43:54  <deoxxa>well campjs is on the gold coast
08:43:56  <yawnt>campjs is 350 $ i think
08:44:08  <deoxxa>so it's a couple of hours on a plane
08:44:19  <deoxxa>probably like $80 each way
08:44:22  <deoxxa>(from melbourne)
08:44:36  <deoxxa>i'm in melbourne myself, and i'll be heading up there
08:44:44  <deoxxa>so i'll need to figure out how much it is pretty soon
08:44:49  <yawnt>952 $ to get to australia
08:44:53  <yawnt>back and forth
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08:46:20  <deoxxa>where's that from?
08:46:47  <yawnt>kayak.com
08:47:02  <deoxxa>i mean the airport, lol
08:47:11  <yawnt>milan - melbourne
08:47:48  * deoxxahas a look at some other places
08:47:56  <yawnt>stopping in dubai i think
08:48:16  <yawnt>i'd never been in the southern emisphere
08:48:22  <deoxxa>flights from .eu are pretty expensive
08:48:23  <yawnt>it'd be awesome to have summer in winter
08:48:31  <yawnt>flights are expensive. dot.
08:48:37  <deoxxa>it's cheap as chips to go anywhere in asia from australia
08:48:56  <deoxxa>like my flights return to singapore are like $650
08:49:51  <deoxxa>ah there we go, flights to the gold coast from melbourne are $45 each way
08:50:19  <yawnt>lol
08:50:21  <yawnt>350 camp
08:50:28  <yawnt>1000 k flight
08:50:33  <deoxxa>yeah :<
08:50:36  <yawnt>+ 90 $ melbourne gold coast
08:50:44  <yawnt>i better start robbind some old lady
08:50:58  <yawnt>i also have college in that period though
08:51:08  <yawnt>BUT WHO CARES.. IT'S AUSTRALIA
08:51:21  <deoxxa>haha
08:51:26  <yawnt>inb4 drops out because doesn't pass any exams
08:51:37  <deoxxa>who needs university!
08:51:39  <deoxxa>i didn't go!
08:51:43  * deoxxais employed anyway
08:51:50  <yawnt>i'm just going to meet new people
08:51:55  <yawnt>and they teach in english and german
08:52:02  <deoxxa>oh yeah you mentioned that
08:52:10  <yawnt>yep, that's why i'm going
08:52:15  <yawnt>not really for IT
08:52:15  <deoxxa>heh, german. i can hardly remember any from when i was in school
08:52:27  <yawnt>german is uber geil
08:52:35  <yawnt>super cool
08:52:46  <deoxxa>heh
08:53:12  <yawnt>i actually have people who've been telling me to leave university and start working for them
08:53:15  <yawnt>lol
08:53:49  <yawnt>it'd be cool because a friend of mine built a coworking location
08:53:58  <yawnt>so i could grab a desk there, and meet some startuppers
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08:54:39  <lpin>yawnt 5 years of uni (as i did) are useless
08:54:51  <lpin>so if you have the oppurtunity catch it
08:55:12  <yawnt>lpin: i know but still
08:55:30  <yawnt>i get to meet people from germany, india, singapore, australia, austria, italy, estonia
08:55:35  <yawnt>it's gonna be awesome (hopefully)
08:55:44  <lpin>in uni?
08:56:00  <yawnt>yeah they teach in english, so they have people from all over the world coming there
08:56:24  <lpin>are you going in politecnico?
08:56:35  <jcrugzz>yawnt: school is overrated
08:56:46  <yawnt>lpin: unibz
08:56:52  <yawnt>jcrugzz: indeed
08:56:53  <lpin>ok
08:57:15  <yawnt>jcrugzz: i'm not going to uni to learn new stuff
08:57:29  <yawnt>i don't believe they teach you something really useful after all.. it's just academic material
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08:57:37  <jcrugzz>yawnt: yet i would consider myself biased as I am not finishing my last year of school to help start a company.
08:57:51  <yawnt>jcrugzz: college or high school?
08:57:59  <jcrugzz>yawnt: college
08:58:22  <yawnt>i see
08:58:36  <yawnt>well you know, it's a not a matter of
08:58:46  <yawnt>"ohai im going to university, imma learn new stuff and be an awesome coder"
08:58:59  <yawnt>they just don't teach you that.. so if that's what you think you're doing it wrong
08:59:31  <yawnt>but it does have some use, for instance, the math you learn etc
08:59:49  <jcrugzz>yawnt: oh of course. I wish my university invested more in useful computer science courses. It is turning into a gross waste of money
08:59:51  <yawnt>so i wouldn't say it's important for a coder, but it's certainly useful in some ways
09:00:01  <lpin>jcrugzz i agree
09:00:09  <yawnt>and i really don't think i'd go to work for a startup right now
09:00:34  <lpin>yawnt it is but don't spend to much time in uni if you plan on going somewhere else
09:00:44  <jcrugzz>yawnt: all depends on what the cause and purpose is. I wouldnt go work for one if I thought it meant nothing
09:01:08  <jcrugzz>too many companies just arent providing anything really positive these days
09:01:11  <jcrugzz>just something cool
09:01:12  <yawnt>i've just finished high school.. uni also means 5 years without thinking of paychecks that i can spend focusing on my own stuff
09:01:25  <jcrugzz>oh damn
09:01:32  <yawnt>?
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09:01:52  <jcrugzz>yawnt: you are lucky you got into the good shit early
09:02:01  <yawnt>jcrugzz: irc helped a lot
09:02:10  <yawnt>started coding when i was 16
09:02:13  <deoxxa>irc ftw
09:02:20  <yawnt>i know people who've been coding since they were 12-133
09:02:26  <yawnt>and they kick my ass :P
09:02:27  <deoxxa>133?! wow!
09:02:31  <yawnt>yeah
09:02:37  <lpin>if you want to start a career in uni then it's fine, but if you don't a bachelor degree is enought imho
09:02:45  <yawnt>grandmas are internet rockstars these days deoxxa
09:02:49  <deoxxa>haha
09:02:56  <jcrugzz>yawnt: yea its all about finding the right people. I wish I started coding before I was 18
09:03:06  <jcrugzz>its all a game of catch up hah
09:03:17  <lpin>i started coding at 20
09:03:29  <lpin>when i started uni
09:03:29  <yawnt>best coder i know
09:03:38  <yawnt>started coding when he was 4
09:03:41  <yawnt>i mean not coding coding
09:03:44  <deoxxa>i started when i was about 17, 6 months later started a company and lived off that until i was 20
09:03:46  <yawnt>but his dad was like a sysadmin
09:03:47  <deoxxa>i was super lucky
09:03:57  <yawnt>so he put his 4yo child in front of a computer
09:04:02  <yawnt>with basic compiler and stuff
09:04:05  <yawnt>so he could play
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09:04:14  <deoxxa>i couldn't do it again, i don't think. i'd spend so much time on doing things "properly" i'd never get things done...
09:04:25  <yawnt>deoxxa: what did you create?
09:04:37  <deoxxa>a reverse phone lookup
09:04:43  <yawnt>deoxxa: yeah the project i'm developing (which is open source on github btw)
09:04:46  <deoxxa>with some extra stuff
09:04:49  <yawnt>we've changed orm 3 times
09:04:56  <yawnt>because we just couldn't get things done
09:05:06  <deoxxa>yeah, when i look back at the code i wrote for that project, it's so horrible
09:05:12  <yawnt>and i wrote my own in the end because i wanted to get things done "properly"
09:05:13  <yawnt>:P
09:05:20  <deoxxa>but i made like $400/week off that thing straight out of the gate
09:05:29  <deoxxa>and that kept up until i wanted a real job and i stopped maintaining it
09:05:36  <deoxxa>so it kind of keeps me in check sometimes
09:05:36  <yawnt>wat
09:05:41  <yawnt>400$ :|
09:05:45  <yawnt>A WEEK?
09:05:54  <deoxxa>hey that was heaps for me :P
09:06:13  <yawnt>that's more than what 3/4 of people get here in italy
09:06:30  <deoxxa>lol dude, move to .au
09:06:33  <yawnt>i know
09:06:42  <yawnt>plan is to go somewhere after uni
09:06:45  <yawnt>perhaps japan
09:06:51  <deoxxa>japan is awesome
09:06:53  <yawnt>or some northern country, or australia
09:06:59  <yawnt>just not uk
09:07:05  <deoxxa>kind of hard to get work there though if you're not careful
09:07:06  <yawnt>i can't stand uk.. i love visiting it
09:07:12  <yawnt>but i could never, ever live there
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09:07:15  <yawnt>food's just so terrible
09:07:16  <jcrugzz>you all are lucky you arent stuck in America's ecosystem ha.
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09:07:33  <yawnt>jcrugzz: i'd trade with an american right away
09:07:40  <lpin>oh yeah
09:07:43  <deoxxa>haha yawnt i have a friend from italy who lives here now, and he hates the coffee here
09:07:51  <yawnt>>coffee
09:07:53  <yawnt>that aint coffee
09:07:57  <yawnt>it's dirty water
09:08:02  <yawnt>sorry, but it's true
09:08:03  <deoxxa>lol see
09:08:19  <jcrugzz>yawnt: whats the reasoning? I'm just fed up with the bullshit here, things have gotta change
09:08:21  <yawnt>but at least australia has (so i've heard) tasty food
09:08:25  <deoxxa>he's like "i don't even bother asking for espresso, it's just not possible"
09:08:34  <deoxxa>cracks me up when he starts complaining about it
09:08:38  <deoxxa>he's so serious
09:08:44  <yawnt>jcrugzz: well the time i spent in the US (6 months) were absolutely awesome
09:08:49  <yawnt>i think it's because of that
09:09:20  <yawnt>and for example
09:09:25  <yawnt>stripe, is available US only
09:09:29  <yawnt>kickstarter?
09:09:30  <yawnt>us only
09:09:33  <jcrugzz>ahh
09:09:37  <jcrugzz>fair enough
09:09:38  <yawnt>and the list can go on
09:10:08  <yawnt>deoxxa: well it's true
09:10:15  <yawnt>have you ever tried italian coffee
09:10:16  <yawnt>?
09:10:37  <deoxxa>yawnt: not like, in italy
09:10:54  <yawnt>http://globaltrendcapital.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/coffee_pic.gif
09:10:58  <yawnt>this is like the effect is has
09:10:59  <lpin>also there aren't many opportunities here in italy, unless you want to work with .net and mysql.
09:11:05  <lpin>:V
09:11:13  <deoxxa>haha
09:11:17  <deoxxa>now i want coffee
09:11:21  <deoxxa>and all i have is instant :/
09:11:27  <yawnt>and this is what happens when i drink foreign coffee
09:11:29  <yawnt>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5c0X4MW_zE
09:11:30  <lpin>well depends north italy is a bit better
09:11:37  <lpin>not much
09:12:06  <yawnt>lpin: i live near venice, and no it's not
09:12:09  <deoxxa>lol @ that beatr
09:12:12  <deoxxa>*bear
09:12:13  <yawnt>better than south, yes
09:12:16  <yawnt>but it's still .net
09:12:17  <yawnt>php
09:12:18  <yawnt>& mysql
09:12:27  <yawnt>the best you can get is RUBY ON RAILS
09:12:33  <yawnt>which honestly i can't stand anymore
09:12:40  <yawnt>i'd rather use sinatra than code rails
09:13:00  <jcrugzz>yea the lag in technology must be terrible. But there is still plenty of that over here in the us
09:13:12  <yawnt>deoxxa: how bout this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TuQw4vahGE ?
09:13:16  <deoxxa>you get that everywhere
09:13:16  <jcrugzz>easier to find people if you are in a big city area
09:13:22  <deoxxa>it's easy to find jobs with crappy technology
09:13:26  <yawnt>^
09:13:29  <jcrugzz>yep
09:13:33  <yawnt>uni is an escape
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09:13:42  <yawnt>*rope
09:13:46  <jcrugzz>thats why you have to create new ones with good technology
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09:13:47  <deoxxa>lol manatee
09:13:56  <lpin>you can't even think of starting something, you have something alredy solid or you are dead here
09:14:01  <yawnt>yeah, in italy
09:14:04  <yawnt>to get funding
09:14:08  <yawnt>you need to prove revenues
09:14:12  <yawnt>to prove revenues
09:14:15  <yawnt>you need fundings
09:14:21  <yawnt>guess what? no one succeeds
09:14:36  <deoxxa>but! but! redis!
09:14:50  <yawnt>redis' coder works for vmware
09:14:55  <yawnt>that ain't exactly italy
09:14:55  <jcrugzz>yea I mean you cannot succeed without the marketing
09:15:08  <jcrugzz>everything in this world is about perception, not what you actually have.
09:15:11  <jcrugzz>its shitty
09:15:15  <yawnt>so i was doing an internship right
09:15:18  <yawnt>this was
09:15:21  <yawnt>2011
09:15:22  <yawnt>or 2010
09:15:27  <yawnt>so node was already out and stuff
09:15:38  <yawnt>the boss wanted the coders to update their knowledge
09:15:43  <yawnt>because they only knew asp.net
09:15:52  <yawnt>new language to learn was
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09:15:58  <yawnt>who wants to guess?
09:16:13  <lpin>php!
09:16:16  <yawnt>^
09:16:17  <deoxxa>C#
09:16:17  <yawnt>dat
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09:16:19  <lpin>i win
09:16:20  <yawnt>no, php
09:16:22  <deoxxa>ooh
09:16:26  <deoxxa>wow php
09:16:47  <jcrugzz>lol
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09:16:53  <yawnt>devs are sad
09:17:08  <yawnt>and the whole place becomes sad
09:17:16  <yawnt>not like startups where people have fun
09:17:25  <yawnt>but grey factories where you ship code and that's all
09:17:26  <yawnt>:(
09:17:37  <yawnt>i wouldn't work there for 10k / month
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09:21:50  <lpin>i can't deploy :\ when it's not failing it ends up with error: Error: socket hang up
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09:39:12  <jcrugzz>ISPs are just so terrible. I don't know what you guys deal with overseas but the duopolies in most areas give you shit options
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10:14:41  <yawnt>yo mmalecki
10:15:50  <mmalecki>yo
10:16:53  <yawnt>sup
10:17:27  <mmalecki>not much, chillin' at some cafe in Krakow
10:18:20  <yawnt>nie
10:18:22  <yawnt>*nice
10:18:47  <mmalecki>how are you?
10:19:38  <yawnt>i'm good, woke up, looked up flight fares to UK
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10:19:49  <yawnt>i'm prolly going up there in the end of august
10:19:51  <yawnt>have some fun
10:20:37  <yawnt>and i'm coding of course :D
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10:33:02  <hallas>can anyone show me an example of a express and mongoose js project running on nodejitsu?
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10:47:02  <mmalecki>hallas: well, just look for a express and mongoose js project, it'll run on nodejitsu
10:47:14  <mmalecki>I mean, you don't need anything nodejitsu-specific here
10:47:56  <hallas>fair enough :-) I just need an example application to look through sometime when I hit roadblocks
10:53:18  <lpin>mmalecki, i know you are out, can you look what happen during deploy?
10:53:44  <lpin>have no feedback but "Error: socket hang up"
10:54:27  <yawnt>i can't believe i still can't deploy to appfog
10:54:30  <yawnt>this is bullship
10:54:33  <yawnt>*shit
10:55:20  <deoxxa>what's the deal with cloud services? </seinfeld>
10:55:50  <yawnt>and that's only because i can't find a postgreql hosting
10:55:56  <yawnt>otherwise i'd use nodejitsu, 10 times better
10:58:25  <lpin>yawnt i think openshift have postgresql
10:58:30  <lpin>checking
10:58:35  <yawnt>it does
10:58:40  <yawnt>but i'm not going to deploy with git
10:59:03  <lpin>ok
10:59:06  <yawnt>i mean.. how can you expect someone that shares code on github to deploy with git?
10:59:14  <deoxxa>yeah jeez
10:59:15  <yawnt>they don't even have env variables
10:59:20  <yawnt>my api keys 4 all
10:59:21  <yawnt>>:(
10:59:24  <yawnt>come on.
10:59:30  <deoxxa>lol dude
10:59:31  <deoxxa>branches
10:59:46  <yawnt>right, because i gotta fetch and merge before i deploy
10:59:56  <yawnt>every single time
10:59:58  <yawnt>..
11:00:08  <yawnt>anyway they have like postgres 8.4 while appfog has 9.1
11:00:15  <lpin>got it
11:00:36  <lpin>JSON will be introduced in 9.2 right?
11:00:49  <yawnt>no idea
11:01:28  <lpin>i read that somewhere
11:02:39  <hallas>so sad, i can't figure out why my mongoose js code doesn't work :(
11:07:02  <mmalecki>lpin: will look
11:10:37  <yawnt>mmalecki: do you still use loggly for logging?
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11:13:51  <mmalecki>yawnt: yes, unfortunately
11:14:04  <yawnt>mmalecki: yeah i've heard it has issuess
11:14:07  <yawnt>any alternatives?
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11:14:51  <mmalecki>yawnt: https://github.com/flatiron/winstond
11:15:53  <yawnt>right
11:15:56  <yawnt>forgot about that
11:15:58  <yawnt>sorry :(
11:16:16  <yawnt>a friend of mine was considering loggly, what's the issues you had? if i may ask
11:16:44  <mmalecki>yawnt: they end up rate limiting/dropping our data for some reason
11:17:15  <yawnt>thanks
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11:27:39  <yawnt>deployed
11:27:41  <yawnt>lpin:
11:27:44  <yawnt>finally..
11:32:12  <yawnt>http://programming.com/
11:32:13  <yawnt>lo
11:32:14  <yawnt>l
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11:33:12  <deoxxa>oh cool i've been wanting to learn programming
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11:33:34  <deoxxa>tough crowd
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11:59:20  <yawnt>deoxxa: i might have found someone that would hire me for the 1400$ i need to come to australia
11:59:23  <yawnt>:|
11:59:32  <deoxxa>:D
12:00:22  <mmalecki>yawnt: do it
12:00:29  <yawnt>mmalecki: wat
12:00:36  <mmalecki>yawnt: go to Australia
12:00:42  <yawnt>of course
12:00:47  <yawnt>if i get enough money
12:01:03  <yawnt>the only reason why i collect money is traveling
12:01:08  <yawnt>well and it-related stuff
12:01:58  <yawnt>mmalecki: but i can't move down there, i got college to attend
12:02:03  <yawnt>it'd be just a trip.. for now :>
12:02:28  <mmalecki>college, lol
12:04:18  <yawnt>:(
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12:04:59  <deoxxa>:<
12:05:12  <yawnt>mmalecki: college is fun
12:05:18  <yawnt>i mean, not to learn stuff
12:05:24  <yawnt>to attend
12:05:28  <yawnt>D:
12:06:22  <mmalecki>I'm not attending college and my social life is just fine :)
12:06:51  <yawnt>i've never attended college and my social life is just fine
12:07:26  <yawnt>but, come on.. it looks cool .. i wanna know what are people like there
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12:15:33  <mmalecki>yawnt: also, that's $ 1400 per week?
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12:17:19  <yawnt>mmalecki: nah
12:17:38  <yawnt>i should do some nodejs training and setup winstond i think
12:17:52  <yawnt>he said they're rolling out new releases so he'll contact me next week if he needs someone
12:17:59  <yawnt>i said "might" it aint sure
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13:06:32  <lpin>AvianFlu good morning, mind to watch when i deploy? when you have time ofc
13:06:49  <lpin>getting strange error like this FATAL ERROR: Evacuation Allocation failed - process out of memory
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13:07:15  <AvianFlu>that probably means somebody left a bunch of processes running on that drone
13:07:17  <AvianFlu>I'll take a look
13:07:47  <lpin>or just Error: socket hang up
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13:11:19  <AvianFlu>yeah, somebody has been very cluster-worker-happy
13:11:25  <AvianFlu>not really so great on these single-core drones
13:11:28  <AvianFlu>but try again, lpin
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13:15:26  <lpin>AvianFlu error with canvas this time http://pastie.org/4544028
13:15:31  <lpin>gonna redeploy
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13:18:30  <lpin>no way, http://pastie.org/4544038
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13:25:09  <AvianFlu>lpin: looks like the last one went through
13:25:27  <AvianFlu>I've cleaned all the others you hit, as well
13:25:53  <lpin>yep it was but wasn't binb
13:26:21  <lpin>this works sometimes http://pastie.org/4544073
13:26:54  <lpin>this never works http://pastie.org/4544075
13:27:33  <lpin>i can't spot any difference but still
13:27:37  <AvianFlu>try a few more
13:27:41  <AvianFlu>also, it might be connect-redis
13:27:44  <lpin>yes
13:28:07  <lpin>it doesn't have hiredis if it is what you are thinking about
13:28:23  <yawnt>deoxxa: you there? gotta ask you something about express 3
13:28:31  <deoxxa>i'm here
13:28:37  <deoxxa>'sup little buddy
13:29:14  <yawnt>lol
13:29:19  <yawnt>you know express 2 had
13:29:21  <yawnt>layout: false
13:29:24  <yawnt>i need the same thing with 3
13:29:24  <deoxxa>yeah
13:29:27  <yawnt>because i use pjax
13:29:38  <yawnt>like disable extends
13:29:43  <deoxxa>you have to do that in your template engine config
13:30:10  <yawnt>like how? i'm using jade
13:30:20  <deoxxa>hmmm
13:31:02  <deoxxa>https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/express-js/Vrul74kMa_4%5B1-25%5D
13:31:07  <deoxxa>seems to have a way to do it
13:31:21  <deoxxa>or http://www.devthought.com/code/use-jade-blocks-not-layouts/
13:31:47  <yawnt>damn, i was hoping i could avoid ifs
13:32:05  <deoxxa>i'm not sure how jade works
13:32:27  <yawnt>i'll use an if
13:32:27  <yawnt>thanks
13:32:45  <deoxxa>actually that block thing looks solid
13:32:58  <deoxxa>that's how i've implemented layouts in my template thing
13:34:02  <yawnt>i like blocks
13:34:19  <yawnt>but something like { override: true } would have been cool
13:34:29  <yawnt>i could have created a middleware
13:34:39  <yawnt>and it would have done everything automagically
13:35:11  <yawnt>let's see if tj is online
13:35:20  <yawnt>nop
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13:41:48  <Costa>Hey guys, having trouble deploying
13:42:43  <Costa>All I did was add some ie conditional stylsheet stuff, and tryed to deploy.
13:42:54  <Costa>trieD*
13:43:06  <AvianFlu>Costa: what kind of failure
13:43:30  <Costa>Error: connect ECONNREFUSED error: at errnoException (net.js:768:11) error: at Object.afterConnect [as oncomplete] (net.js:759:19)
13:44:26  <AvianFlu>Costa: just try again, you hit one of the drones I just fixed
13:44:42  <Costa>Hmm...okay cool, one sec
13:48:12  <Costa>Nope, same problem
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13:51:24  <AvianFlu>Costa: give it another shot
13:52:02  <Costa>shooting...
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13:53:15  <Costa>Whoo! Looks like it worked, one sec
13:53:37  <Costa>You rock!
13:58:21  <Costa>Hey I have a question about availability on shared hosting
13:58:25  <Costa>If you're up for it
13:58:48  <AvianFlu>what's your question
14:00:09  <Costa>We're going to put forth a heavy sales effort, and directing lots of potential clients to our website
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14:01:13  <Costa>It's really important to us that the site be available
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14:02:38  <Costa>I just want to ask if shared hosting has any expected downtime
14:02:56  <AvianFlu>no, it doesn't
14:03:47  <AvianFlu>we don't have an SLA, though, if that's what you're asking
14:04:06  <Costa>I dunno what that is
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14:04:34  <AvianFlu>a Service Level Agreement
14:04:54  <AvianFlu>sometimes, a hosting company will give you a legal contract that says "if we don't maintain x% uptime we pay you money"
14:05:12  <AvianFlu>if I were hosting multi-million-dollar financial transactions or something, I'd really want one of those
14:05:22  <AvianFlu>but if you're just asking if your site will stay up, then yes, we've got you covered
14:05:28  <Costa>Oh, no I don't know that
14:06:22  <Costa>Okay, you rock! That's all that's important to me, you guys have been more than awesome in terms of support and so forth
14:06:48  <Costa>Lots of love to ya
14:07:54  <lpin>AvianFlu mind to ping me when i have a good chance to hit a working drone?
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14:08:51  <AvianFlu>lpin: I'm still looking at it
14:09:03  <AvianFlu>I think your npm install for that one app might take more ram than most
14:09:13  <AvianFlu>lpin: actually, you might try bundleDependencies
14:09:16  <AvianFlu>not with the compiled stuff
14:09:20  <AvianFlu>but with some of the ordinary deps
14:10:24  <lpin>i see, so it's a OOM prob
14:11:40  <lpin>i can try to bundle express
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14:12:36  <lpin>redis is in the budle cause of hiredis
14:12:40  <lpin>n*
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14:13:35  <Costa>Thanks so much! Take care
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14:14:53  <AvianFlu>lpin: mostly, yes
14:15:23  <AvianFlu>the rackspace VMs were a lot more polite about the ram limits
14:15:54  <AvianFlu>stuff would get really slow, but not usually explode
14:16:06  <AvianFlu>I think I prefer things exploding, but it leads to some bad situations
14:16:48  <lpin>got it, what will be amount of ram in individual plan?
14:16:57  <lpin>still 256?
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14:26:06  <AvianFlu>for now, yes
14:28:51  <lpin>i mean after you will start billing
14:32:21  <AvianFlu>that's what I meant
14:32:26  <lpin>ok
14:33:46  <lpin>Nodejitsu Error (500): Internal Server Error
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14:35:37  <AvianFlu>lpin: this is something else, cloudfiles is acting up suddenly
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14:39:27  <lpin>AvianFlu what i should bundle to reduce ram usage during npm install?
14:40:00  <AvianFlu>lpin: try everything but canvas
14:40:37  <lpin>omw
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14:51:26  <lpin>AvianFlu, worked
14:51:36  <AvianFlu>lpin: SWEET
14:51:52  <lpin>:)
14:52:01  <AvianFlu>lpin: we're going to improve the whole installing-deps process over the next few weeks
14:52:04  <AvianFlu>all this shit should get saner
14:52:43  <lpin>good but i guess i have to bundle everything from now on :|
14:53:06  <AvianFlu>it's not a bad strategy, really
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14:53:21  <lpin>no, not at all only slower deploy
14:53:31  <lpin>cause my upload sucks at home
14:53:32  <lpin>:D
14:55:00  <Costa>Hey guys, not deploying again
14:55:13  <Costa>Same errors, socket hangup
14:58:05  <AvianFlu>Costa: you're hitting a pool of servers when you deploy
14:58:17  <AvianFlu>if you see a socket hang up or an ECONNREFUSED, it's a bug I'm working through
14:58:26  <AvianFlu>some people's apps aren't always getting cleaned up properly
14:58:31  <Costa>Gotcha
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14:58:41  <Costa>so should I just keep trying when that happens?
14:58:47  <AvianFlu>you can try bundling some of your dependencies, it may make it less likely
14:58:49  <AvianFlu>but yeah, keep trying
14:59:02  <AvianFlu>and let one of us know, because it can be fixed as soon as it's noticed
14:59:30  <Costa>ah, so I should mention it? okay. I figured this was bothersome
15:00:01  <AvianFlu>I mean, it is, but it's not your fault :D
15:00:06  <AvianFlu>DAMN SERVERS!
15:00:11  <AvianFlu>GET OFF MY LAWN
15:01:03  <Costa>Haha, lawn. Hey Google started with there servers proped up on legos
15:01:08  <Costa>their*
15:02:38  <Costa>Yay, it deployed
15:02:59  <Costa>It's like when I come to here node makes sense again
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15:21:22  <lpin>AvianFlu i noticed that some drones run node 0.8.5 and some others 0.8.6, my deploy always fail when i hit one with 0.8.5
15:21:30  <lpin>also forgot to say thank you
15:22:09  <AvianFlu>lpin: good to know
15:23:37  <yawnt>and i'm back
15:24:43  <lpin>and i'm off now cya
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17:09:37  <tmartineau>I got some beginner questions just to clarify Nodejitsu's services. Mainly to do with drones and scaling. Does anyone got 5 or 10 minutes?
17:10:02  <mmalecki>yeah, what's up?
17:10:34  <tmartineau>So I was reading through the docs and it seems that Nodejitsu automatically takes care of scaling your application correct?
17:10:45  <tmartineau>As demand needs it
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17:14:04  <mmalecki>tmartineau: we don't do autoscaling just yet
17:14:17  <mmalecki>but we're close to roll out tools to do that
17:14:55  <mmalecki>tmartineau: however, you'll be able to scale manually
17:15:20  <tmartineau>Ok, sounds good. So when it scales it takes up another drone correct?
17:15:51  <mmalecki>yeah
17:16:30  <tmartineau>And a drone can also be taken up by another application running under the same account? Just want to get a good idea of what a drone is and how many I would need
17:17:40  <tmartineau>Are there any states on the specs of a drone?
17:17:57  <mmalecki>yeah, exactly
17:18:06  <mmalecki>currently drone is 256 MB RAM instance
17:18:41  <tmartineau>Is that going to stay the same as Nodejitsu finalizes it's services or will that change?
17:19:23  <AvianFlu>tmartineau: it will be evaluated as time goes on, and the sizes will also likely become configurable
17:19:45  <tmartineau>Great. Just a couple more questions... thanks a bunch!
17:20:03  <tmartineau>Will it be easy to upgrade from a shared account to dedicated?
17:20:15  <tmartineau>So I could start off small and increase if I need to?
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17:21:23  <mmalecki>sure
17:21:36  <mmalecki>probably as easy as github :)
17:21:47  <tmartineau>;D
17:22:20  <tmartineau>Lastly is there a timeline for when the full service and paid plans will be available?
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17:24:55  <mmalecki>tmartineau: no timeline yet, sorry
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17:25:51  <AvianFlu>paid plans will start being available later this week, though
17:27:21  <tmartineau>Ok I was afraid of that. But should not be too much of a problem. I know they are hoping soon and the project that I am currently working on wont fully launch until late this year. Good to know about the paid plans
17:28:44  <tmartineau>@mmalecki and @AvianFlu thank you guys so much for answering my questions has helped out a lot since I am fairly new to this. I like Nodejitsu from what I have seen and I think it will work for me. I was playing around with Azure but for some reason I feel better about Nodejitsu
17:29:05  <AvianFlu>that's because we didn't make windows 95 :D
17:29:15  <tmartineau>HAHAHA or vista
17:29:18  <mmalecki>or windows me
17:29:20  <AvianFlu>no offense to any of the awesome microsoft guys who sometimes hang out in here
17:29:23  <tmartineau>or 2000
17:29:33  <mmalecki>2000 was pretty good, actually!
17:29:48  <tmartineau>Stacked up against some of the others that is true
17:29:52  <mmalecki>yeah :)
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17:30:38  <tmartineau>But yes Nodejitsu just seems better for Node projects and they have been part of the Node community for ever
17:31:32  <tmartineau>Anyways thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions!
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17:37:37  <mmalecki>tmartineau: pleasure :)
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18:49:21  <miklos>hello, in this code (http://pastebin.com/c3LeiuRR) the simple emitted 'successfulConnect' event not trigger at all, and the broadcasted 'instanceConnect' is send to everybody. can you help me why? thanks
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19:17:31  <yawnt>well hai
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19:28:23  <lpin>hai yawnt
19:28:30  <lpin>miklos that should work
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19:29:07  <miklos>thats what i think also :) but no
19:29:14  <yawnt>yo lpin
19:30:55  <lpin>miklos is that wrapped under 'connection' event?
19:31:55  <miklos>sure, other socket parts are ok, only .emit not trigger, and broadcast goes to everybody
19:33:05  <yawnt>lpin: let's code a social network that is everything but not social
19:33:05  <yawnt>ok?
19:33:54  <lpin>ok i'm in, don't like social networks
19:37:16  <yawnt>lpin: socialnetworkthathatespeople
19:38:05  <lpin>hatebook
19:38:16  <lpin>awsome
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19:42:59  <lpin>yawnt http://www.hatebook.org/ lawl
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19:43:59  <lpin>upgrading to express 3 hasn't been a good idea so far
19:44:07  <ljharb>i still can't start my app from the maintenance the other night - "error socket hang up". any tips?
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19:47:28  <ljharb>jesusabdullah, you there?
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19:50:32  <konstantin>Hello. Support personnel present?
19:50:39  <yawnt>lol
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19:51:30  <konstantin>I assume that's a no
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19:57:28  <lpin>HN readers probably already saw this
19:57:29  <lpin>http://www.huhmagazine.co.uk/view_article.php?id=4140&s=art&t=design
19:57:34  <lpin>found it hilarious
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20:07:38  <miklos>lpin: nice article :d
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20:30:29  <appinsanity-mike>what do you guys prefer for js code auto documenting?
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20:37:20  <ankurvsoni>Hi - can anyone help with this : https://nodejitsu.zendesk.com/requests/11408
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