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00:17:32  <mikeschinkel>@mmalecki I'm going to try it then, here: http://concierge.jit.su
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00:19:29  <mmalecki>mikeschinkel: please do :)
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00:52:17  <loktar>so happy the paid plans are available
00:52:20  <loktar>:) thanks!
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00:55:46  <mikeschinkel>@mmalecki So it seems while(1) has made http://concierge.jit.su inaccessible.
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00:57:55  <pksunkara>mikeschinkel: can you try to stop the app now?
01:01:01  <mikeschinkel>@pksunkara (A) with what command? and (B) can it be set to automatically restart if those cases?
01:01:22  <pksunkara>if it crashes, it will be automatically restarted
01:01:27  <pksunkara>but if you stop, it wont
01:01:35  <pksunkara>use this "jitsu stop"
01:01:45  <pksunkara>"jitsu apps <appname> stop"
01:03:14  <mikeschinkel>@pksunkara I'm trying to work out a way that a user can submit a sandboxed Javascript and my service runs it. But if they submit "while(1)" how can have it restarted automatically so they don't take down the service?
01:03:52  <pksunkara>are you using nodejs vm?
01:04:56  <mikeschinkel>@pksunkara Line 25: https://github.com/newclarity/concierge/blob/master/runner.js
01:05:39  <pksunkara>ok, your service will be safe from crashing
01:05:48  <pksunkara>but you still gotta take care of memory issues
01:06:10  <pksunkara>I wonder if we have memory limits in nodejs vm
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01:07:41  <mikeschinkel>@pksunkara - I want to make it safe for someone to submit a javascript to run with one highly constrained global object, and I don't want them to be able to run a DDoS attack. Suggestions?
01:08:17  <pksunkara>The best thing you can do run in vm context with some max memory set
01:09:25  <pksunkara>hmm.. maybe create a new process for each script
01:09:43  <pksunkara>but I dont know if it will be possible in nodejitsu
01:10:02  <mikeschinkel>@pksunkara Thanks. Now on call with client. I'll come back later, maybe ask on StackOverflow.
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01:14:16  <jesusabdullah>I think runInNewContext is your best bet
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01:14:42  <jesusabdullah>look around for javascript sandboxing stuff
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01:15:15  <pksunkara>jesusabdullah: but while(1) in runInNewContext will consume most of the cpu memory
01:15:26  <pksunkara>he wants to detect those kind of things
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01:16:15  <jesusabdullah>hmmm
01:16:33  <jesusabdullah>maybe an executable with kiwf and a new context
01:17:12  <jesusabdullah>hook it in over dnode :)
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02:05:50  <tomshreds>Hey guys, is it normal that most of the time when I deploy I get "error: Error: socket hang up"
02:05:52  <tomshreds>And I retry with the same build and it works.
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02:05:54  <benlower>is it time to pay up? my dev plan now is running out of memory
02:06:03  <benlower>things were fine yesterday now "ENOMEM" errors
02:06:36  <benlower>will i have more resources if i pay for the small plan? are dev plans on shared drones or something less capable than tthe $3/mo plan?
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02:11:58  <AvianFlu>benlower: can I see your package.json?
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02:14:20  <benlower>AvianFlu: sure: https://gist.github.com/3869756
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02:16:01  <AvianFlu>benlower: I think what you're seeing is related to an issue we're working on right now... things are getting recompiled when they shouldn't
02:16:12  <AvianFlu>it's definitely not changed limits, the drones are all the same
02:16:14  <AvianFlu>right now, at least
02:16:26  <AvianFlu>tomshreds: can I see your package.json as well?
02:16:44  <tomshreds>yes sure
02:17:07  <benlower>AvainFlu: any ETA on fix? we're trying to launch private alpha tonight :-) happy to pay when the time comes but sounds like that's not it
02:17:23  <tomshreds>AvianFlu: https://gist.github.com/3869767
02:17:40  <AvianFlu>benlower: that error is an error, it's not us trying to get money out of you :)
02:17:46  <AvianFlu>I'll let you know more info in a few minutes
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02:18:31  <AvianFlu>tomshreds: can you deploy again, and then gist me the output when you get the hang up?
02:18:35  <benlower>AvianFlu: :-) i'm happy to pay you guys. it just was a weird coincidence that the site got the nice update today and then my stuff errored out so i thought maybe u started throttling the free plan
02:18:35  <AvianFlu>actually, before that
02:18:43  <AvianFlu>let me know how big the directory is
02:19:02  <AvianFlu>benlower: probably just bad luck
02:19:19  <benlower>AvainFlu: no vegas trip for me then
02:19:44  <AvianFlu>you never know... luck can turn around fast
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02:37:17  <tomshreds>AvianFlu: ok here it is: https://gist.github.com/3869835 it works most of the time, but I get that 4-5 times a day
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02:38:43  <benlower>AvianFlu: not sure if you guys resolved by it's not erroring for me :-)
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02:46:32  <AvianFlu>tomshreds: what's "thinair"?
02:48:30  <benlower>errors again
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02:49:32  <tomshreds>AvianFlu it's a web framework
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02:55:49  <saudude_>hey guys. how can i delete my account on nodejitsu?
02:56:58  <AvianFlu>saudude_: tell me the username, and I can just remove you from the db
02:57:06  <saudude_>"Twiddle"
03:00:51  <saudude_>i've enjoyed playing with nodejitsu, but i haven't done anything serious enough or done anything that draws enough traffic to warrant paying for my drones. sorry :(
03:01:27  <AvianFlu>it's quite alright
03:01:35  <AvianFlu>feel free to come back anytime if you do :)
03:02:12  <AvianFlu>saudude_: you're deleted
03:02:53  <saudude_>thanks!
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04:02:08  <rohitcolinrao>hi nodejitsu team, i'm still not able to push my site (it was due to a known mongoose issue i believe), its been over a week. does anyone have any word on what's going on with it?
04:03:48  <blakmatrix>rohitcolinrao: the fix is to avoid mongodb 1.1.8
04:04:45  <rohitcolinrao>oh, mongodb itself?
04:04:51  <blakmatrix>yes
04:05:07  <rohitcolinrao>i use mongohq,
04:05:15  <rohitcolinrao>i'll look
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04:07:37  <rohitcolinrao>is there a newer version to use or should i use an older version?
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04:09:58  <blakmatrix>1.1.7 should be fine
04:10:13  <AvianFlu>rohitcolinrao: he means the node mongodb driver
04:10:15  <AvianFlu>not the db version
04:10:48  <rohitcolinrao>oh i gotcha
04:11:33  <rohitcolinrao>i'm using mongoose for my mongo, can i update the mongoose version to fix it?
04:12:31  <rohitcolinrao>if not, can you tell me where i can update my mongo db driver?
04:12:34  <rohitcolinrao>or how
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04:20:11  <tomshreds>Do you have graphicsmagick or imagemagick installed?
04:21:07  <AvianFlu>tomshreds: both
04:21:16  <tomshreds>wow amazing
04:21:21  <tomshreds>thanks
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04:26:19  <rohitcolinrao>AvianFlu: can you help point me in the right direction? I'm still a bit uncertain on what to update/change
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04:28:45  <AvianFlu>rohitcolinrao: npm ls -l and gist it for me, if you don't mind
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04:30:24  <rohitcolinrao>AvianFlu: https://gist.github.com/3870166 thanks
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04:32:18  <AvianFlu>this looks like a lot of random, old stuff
04:32:37  <AvianFlu>at any rate, you want to look at the version of mongodb that mongoose is usign
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04:32:43  <AvianFlu>you want to change it to be 1.1.7
04:32:56  <AvianFlu>and then add mongoose to 'bundledDependencies" in your package.json
04:33:11  <AvianFlu>so that it uploads the local version instead of downloading ti
04:33:11  <AvianFlu>it
04:33:34  <rohitcolinrao>yeah i haven't done much with the site since early in the year
04:33:47  <rohitcolinrao>i see
04:34:21  <rohitcolinrao>looks like its [email protected]
04:35:11  <rohitcolinrao>i've never updated a version of something that another module is using
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04:35:33  <rohitcolinrao>do i just go into the package.json of mongoose's module and update that?
04:35:49  <AvianFlu>that's strange
04:36:02  <AvianFlu>wait
04:36:06  <AvianFlu>what error are you seeing, here?
04:36:29  <rohitcolinrao>gisting
04:36:40  <rohitcolinrao>https://gist.github.com/3870166
04:36:55  <AvianFlu>okay
04:36:59  <AvianFlu>this has nothing to do with mongodb
04:37:03  <AvianFlu>blakmatrix_: ^^^^^
04:37:11  <rohitcolinrao>oh
04:37:14  <rohitcolinrao>ok
04:37:15  <AvianFlu>can you do me a favor and run `npm pack` locally
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04:37:19  <rohitcolinrao>k
04:37:25  <AvianFlu>and then tell me the size of the tarball?
04:37:29  <rohitcolinrao>ok
04:37:32  <AvianFlu>(npm pack from the app dir)
04:37:52  <rohitcolinrao>15MB
04:38:01  <AvianFlu>okay
04:38:24  <AvianFlu>can I see your package.json?
04:38:28  <rohitcolinrao>one sec
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04:38:59  <rohitcolinrao>https://gist.github.com/3870166
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04:39:30  <AvianFlu>why are jade and backbone empty strings?
04:39:34  <AvianFlu>for the versions?
04:40:21  <rohitcolinrao>not sure
04:40:31  <AvianFlu>try replacing them with *
04:40:35  <rohitcolinrao>ok
04:41:22  <rohitcolinrao>same error
04:41:36  <AvianFlu>certain apps have been doing this, but not most
04:41:41  <AvianFlu>and we haven't been able to pinpoint why
04:41:54  <AvianFlu>I would ask you to email me the tarball, but it's too big
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04:44:32  <rohitcolinrao>hm
04:44:44  <rohitcolinrao>i can try and upload it somewhere
04:45:03  <AvianFlu>if you wouldn't mind, uploading it somewhere so that we could do some testing with it would be the best way to get this resolved
04:45:11  <rohitcolinrao>ok thanks
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04:46:10  <TimG>hiya
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04:47:08  <TimG>just after some info on drones...
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04:52:17  <rohitcolinrao>dangit, my ip changed. i have to get my server guys to add it before i can ftp.
04:52:42  <rohitcolinrao>AvianFlu: i'll contact you when i get this uploaded. do you mind if i send you an email about it?
04:53:26  <AvianFlu>not at all
04:53:31  <AvianFlu>[email protected] if you don't mind
04:56:21  <Sly>Oh man @ ip changed
04:56:25  <Sly>Hate when that happens.
04:56:27  <rohitcolinrao>can do
04:56:33  <rohitcolinrao>thanks man, i'll send an email when i have it up
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04:57:37  <Sly>AvianFlu, don't you have a MBP?
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05:36:45  <mikeschinkel>Can't stop or restart an app. See https://gist.github.com/b5aae85570d1baf15f72
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05:40:21  <ljharb>hey guys - "did you by any chance forgot your password?" should be "forget". subject-verb agreement, yo
05:42:45  <ljharb>so, does this mean all the free plans are gone in a month? or do i just have to add a credit card even with a free plan
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05:43:26  <harbhub>hey
05:43:44  <harbhub>i liked having as many drones up as i wanted for free
05:43:52  <harbhub>how come you guys are re-refractoring that?
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05:48:53  <ljharb>also - the "large" plan says "$0.0042/hour" which, if correct, is $3.02/month. that's the same price as the micro. are you off by a factor of 10 somewhere?
05:49:53  <chakrit>ljharb: but that's just a single drone right?
05:50:05  <ljharb>the menu doesn't specify
05:50:06  <chakrit>i think the point is that you'd be using a lot of drones
05:50:14  <ljharb>nor do i see anything where i'd control how many drones i have
05:50:19  <chakrit>i mean $3 is the same as getting a micro plan which is a single drone
05:50:32  <ljharb>then what's the "small" and "regular" for?
05:50:52  <ljharb>if "large" just means "many micros" why is there anything except a price/drone and a number of drones?
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05:51:54  <chakrit>small you get 3 drones for $7, that's $2 cheaper
05:52:02  <chakrit>same with regular
05:52:58  <ljharb>regular's what, 5?
05:53:05  <chakrit>5 yeah
05:53:09  <chakrit>for $11
05:53:12  <ljharb>ah. that's not very clear. it should say "$3 for 1 drone/month, $7 for 3 drones/month, $11 for 5 drones/month"
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05:53:38  <ljharb>in addition, that means the large one is lame, because the regular plan is $2.2/month/drone, but the large plan is $3.02/month/drone, altho it's billed hourly
05:53:39  <chakrit>ah, yeah. i think so too. needs much better wording/explanation.
05:54:10  <ljharb>they should just all be billed hourly per drone, with discounts as you increase drones, and a minimum monthly cost of $3.
05:54:37  <ljharb>so does that mean that there's no more free plans?
05:54:55  <chakrit>there's a one month trial that you can use for any number of apps i think
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05:55:14  <chakrit>but no more "forever free" plan afaik
05:55:22  <ljharb>what about for open source apps?
05:55:57  <chakrit>you have to email them and ask specifically
05:56:32  <ljharb>and the plans are per-app - so if i have 100 apps with 1 drone each, that's far more expensive than 1 app with 100 drones?
05:57:04  <chakrit>not sure about that haha
05:57:11  <chakrit>i only have like 5 apps :p
05:57:23  <ljharb>lol i only have one, i'm just trying to understand the pricing
05:58:54  <chakrit>yeah i think plans are per-app
05:59:23  <chakrit>make senses imo as it's the same way other providers are doing it.
05:59:33  <chakrit>but the text on the main page really didn't make that clear
05:59:42  <ljharb>plans per app is cool
05:59:56  <ljharb>but it sucks that the price-per-drone goes up sharply once you hit "large"
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06:14:59  <hij1nx>hello
06:16:46  <Sly>Hey, hij1nx.
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06:26:02  <yawnt>morning
06:27:00  <Sly>yawnt, <3
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06:42:37  <ljharb>yawnt: i had some questions about pricing
06:42:56  <ljharb>yawnt: also "did you by any chance forgot your password?" should say "forget" in the login modal
06:43:11  <yawnt>ljharb: sure, ask ahead
06:43:12  <yawnt>:)
06:43:26  <yawnt>ljharb: also thanks :)
06:43:31  <`3rdEden>ljharb: i'll change the content, thanks
06:43:51  <ljharb>so it looks like micro is $3/month/drone for 1 drone, small is $2.33/month/drone for 3 drones, regular is $2.20/month/drone for 5 drones, right?
06:44:15  <ljharb>then why is "large" $3.02/month/drone, ie, more expensive than "regular"?
06:44:42  <ljharb>(also the plans menu is very unclear as to how many drones are included, which would explain the price differences)
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06:46:00  <yawnt>to be honest, i'm not completely sure.. i think it's because you can add an infinite number of drones, so it is better in the long period
06:46:17  <yawnt>ljharb: i'll make sure to ask and let you know, just to be certain about what i've told you
06:46:28  <ljharb>sure - but i'm assuming NJ's cost per drone goes down as i add more, which is why the price goes down as the plans go up
06:46:38  <ljharb>so why would i pay a fixed price for an infinite number of drones?
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06:47:20  <ljharb>i'd expect a simple formula - Math.min(N drones/hour * N hours * A $/drone*hour, $3) or something
06:47:39  <lpin>morning
06:48:07  <yawnt>ljharb: yeah i get your point
06:48:09  <ljharb>i suppose it wouldn't be a simple formula, it'd have to be some sort of inverse thing, but you get what i mean: the price should continue going down as i add more drones
06:49:46  <yawnt>ljharb: okay i've asked
06:49:52  <ljharb>i've only got 1 app that only needs 1 drone, i'm more just trying to understand how fast i'm going to jump off the "NJ is essential" cliff :-)
06:49:57  <yawnt>basically the decision behind this was that with the large plan
06:52:12  <yawnt>you get infinite scalabilty
06:52:16  <yawnt>*scalability
06:52:24  <yawnt>and that's a pretty big plus compared to other versions
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06:54:12  <ljharb>def thats a plus
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06:54:24  <ljharb>why wouldn't every plan have a "scale to N drones" setting?
06:54:43  <ljharb>ie i'm on micro, but i'd love to have the ability to autoscale to a few extra drones if i got a sudden surge in traffic
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06:55:10  <ljharb>and on the large plan, i definitely *wouldnt* want to be required to pay for infinite drones in the event that they were automatically spawned
06:55:22  <ljharb>(note i don't know anything about multidrones with node, so maybe i'm missing technical knowledge here)
06:55:48  <yawnt>you get notified when your app is reaching maximum capacity
06:56:15  <yawnt>*drone
06:58:25  <ljharb>on the smaller plans, that makes sense - but that only works if i physically respond quickly enough
06:58:39  <ljharb>i'd want to pre-select a higher number, but not have to pay for it until it's needed
06:58:53  <ljharb>equally, on "large", i'd want to set a cap on the max number of drones i used.
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06:59:32  <ljharb>because if i need a max of 100 drones, i wouldn't want to be DDOSed and start paying for 1000, or something.
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07:16:45  <yawnt>ljharb: autoscaling is yet to come :D
07:17:08  <ljharb>:-) i guess the pricing will evolve as people use it
07:17:25  <ljharb>i won't complain til i need more than a micro, just trying to get my head around it
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07:25:39  <jimmyww>I think the answer is yes, but are people who were in the nodejitsu beta, currently using free accounts expected to transition to the micro plan? (if thats all the usage we need)? Also how long are people from the beta got till they are expected to start paying?
07:26:30  <yawnt>jimmyww: if you enter your credit card details, you have a month before switching to a paid plan
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07:28:58  <jesusabdullah>jimmyww: if you don't you have a month from when we rolled it out (which is almost a month from now)
07:30:04  <jimmyww>sorry, was afk, so the answer is we have a month from now to start paying?
07:30:32  <yawnt>you have a month from now, if you enter credit card details, you get another month
07:31:25  <jimmyww>okay, cool
07:31:53  <stagas>the 1 drone plan is just sending away hobbyist that need only 1 drone. it doesn't make sense to me
07:32:25  <jimmyww>is there an easy way to moniter how long we have left?
07:33:05  <ljharb>yawnt: it looks like because i switched to micro now, i lost out on a free month :-(
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07:58:12  <Jochem>Hello
07:58:24  <Jochem>How do I delete my nodejitsu account?
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07:59:12  <yawnt>hey Jochem , we're sorry about that :( .. why do you want to delete your account?
07:59:40  <Jochem>My free plan in gonna expire
07:59:54  <Jochem>And I just did a small nodeJS test
08:00:00  <yawnt>if you don't run apps, you don't pay anything :)
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08:00:42  <Jochem>Ok i removed all the apps / databases
08:01:05  <yawnt>no need to remove the apps
08:01:12  <yawnt>they can just be stoppe
08:01:14  <yawnt>*stopped
08:01:19  <yawnt>and nothing will be charged
08:01:24  <Jochem>They are already gone ;)
08:01:47  <Jochem>But I won't be using my account anymore
08:02:03  <Jochem>So is it possible to delete the account?
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08:23:34  <booyaa>:~(
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08:27:56  <bright_day>hello i need some help on setting a record names. in my domain registracion center area i have this things : Host and Points To what should i write in host?
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08:31:53  <booyaa>Jochem: so after you did your test, what's your conclusion? was there someone cheaper?
08:31:58  <booyaa>did you prefer to run node.js in house?
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08:32:22  <booyaa>i'm not a nodejitsu employee just curious to see what stops people from signing up
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09:08:12  <mashbox>can anyone help a newbie?
09:08:38  <yawnt>sure
09:08:42  <yawnt>what's up?
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09:09:19  <mashbox>i'm trying to install jitsu via npm and i get an error
09:09:20  <mashbox>npm ERR! error installing [email protected] Error: Unsupported
09:09:56  <yawnt>what operating system are you using?
09:10:08  <mashbox>centOS
09:10:16  <yawnt>what's your node version?
09:10:57  <mashbox>i just got the latest from the git
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09:11:51  <yawnt>can i see the whole output of `npm install -g jitsu`?
09:11:56  <yawnt>paste it here gist.github.com
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09:13:11  <mashbox>git clone [email protected]:33c83ccbd6d5bf4c2832.git gist-33c83ccb
09:13:31  <yawnt>can i have the http link please?
09:13:56  <mashbox>yes, sorry :)
09:13:56  <mashbox>https://gist.github.com/33c83ccbd6d5bf4c2832
09:14:24  <mashbox>oh now i see it too
09:14:32  <mashbox>my node is just too old
09:14:39  <yawnt>exactly
09:14:42  <mashbox>i got it from rh's git
09:14:47  <mashbox>where should i get it from?
09:14:57  <yawnt>i'd use something like nvm
09:15:04  <yawnt>https://github.com/creationix/nvm
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09:15:10  <yawnt>then `nvm install v0.8.11`
09:15:17  <yawnt>and `nvm alias default v0.8.11`
09:15:19  <yawnt>:)
09:15:38  <mashbox>ok i'm on it
09:15:39  <mashbox>:)
09:15:41  <mashbox>thanks
09:15:48  <yawnt>you're welcome
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09:19:20  <mashbox>yawnt: i'm getting an error when trying to install via nvm: o['default_configuration'] = 'Debug' if options.debug else 'Release'
09:19:34  <yawnt>mh
09:19:35  <yawnt>weird
09:19:53  <yawnt>compiling from source works too then
09:20:00  <yawnt>sources are available from nodejs.org
09:20:13  <yawnt>you might want to submit a github issue to nvm with your problem though
09:21:04  <mashbox>ok
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09:27:46  <bengourley>Is there a definitive list somewhere outlining the binary modules that nodejitsu supports?
09:28:11  <yawnt>bengourley: binary as in c/c++ modules?
09:28:36  <bengourley>Yep
09:28:44  <yawnt>bengourley: pretty much everything works
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09:29:02  <yawnt>there are some modules that give trouble though
09:29:07  <bengourley>Any known exceptions?
09:29:07  <yawnt>hiredis is one of them
09:29:31  <yawnt>anyway if you happen to have trouble with a native module
09:29:40  <yawnt>just come in here, and we'll see what we can do
09:29:43  <yawnt>:)
09:30:39  <bengourley>and what about packages like gm that spawn external processes?
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09:31:21  <yawnt>spawning processes usually isn't good practice
09:31:43  <yawnt>but for example node-imagemagick
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09:31:46  <yawnt>which spawns processes
09:31:46  <yawnt>work
09:31:47  <yawnt>works
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09:32:12  <bengourley>what about https://github.com/aheckmann/gm?
09:32:32  <yawnt>i don't know, i've never tried it
09:32:34  <booyaa>yawnt++
09:32:34  <kohai>yawnt has 24 pancakess
09:32:42  <yawnt>if it spawns processes through imagemagick
09:32:44  <yawnt>it might work
09:32:51  <yawnt>i think you'll have to try out :P
09:32:53  <yawnt>booyaa: ;)
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09:47:33  <nesQuick>Hey there, when i'm doing a jitsu deploy, which npm script stages will be triggered?
09:47:51  <yawnt>jitsu has pre-deploy and post-deploy
09:48:01  <yawnt>scripts.start is used to start your app
09:48:09  <yawnt>and dependencies are automatically fetch'd
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09:48:39  <nesQuick>regarding to npm to there are no deploy stages: https://npmjs.org/doc/scripts.html
09:49:01  <nesQuick>i'm thinking of what would be the best stage to run a script everytime after a deploy ANd after installing
09:49:19  <nesQuick>so like everytime a new codebase reaches the server :)
09:50:24  <yawnt>nesQuick: jitsu has two specific hooks for that
09:50:26  <booyaa>man i'm so lame, i've not found an itch to scratch for node.js
09:50:30  <yawnt>predeploy and postdeploy
09:50:37  * booyaalooks at his pathetic "doodles" on nodejitsu
09:50:40  <yawnt>https://github.com/nodejitsu/handbook
09:50:57  <yawnt>sorry
09:50:58  <yawnt>wrong link
09:51:00  <nesQuick>:D
09:51:05  <yawnt>https://github.com/nodejitsu/jitsu#jitsu-hooks
09:51:05  <nesQuick>theres no "postdeploy" in the entire doc
09:51:08  <yawnt>nesQuick: there we go
09:51:15  <yawnt>sorry ^^
09:51:21  <nesQuick>yawnt: nice!
09:51:27  <nesQuick>that was the doc i was searching for
09:51:29  <nesQuick>thanks man!
09:51:40  <yawnt>you're wlecome
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09:53:01  <booyaa>nesQuick: show yawnt a bit of karma love man ;) i.e. yawnt++
09:53:20  * booyaais just trying to break yo counters yo
09:53:30  <yawnt>ahaha
09:53:31  <yawnt>booyaa: ++
09:53:31  <kohai>booyaa has 11 beers
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09:55:32  <booyaa>heh
09:55:58  <yawnt>i bought typical südtiroler cheese yesterday booyaa
09:56:05  <yawnt>you should try it
09:56:45  <booyaa>let me google that
09:56:57  <yawnt>südtirol is a region
09:57:31  <booyaa>ah austrian?
09:57:35  <booyaa>or german?
09:57:50  <yawnt>südtirol is italy
09:57:52  <yawnt>but they speak german
09:57:54  <booyaa>ah my bad
09:58:14  <yawnt>no worries.. it has a german name :P
09:58:18  <booyaa>:D
09:58:35  <mashbox>yawnt: i think the nvm error was because I have an old python version, it's happening when I try to compile from source as well
09:58:46  <yawnt>what version are you usign?
09:58:47  <booyaa>i'll shall add it to my list, is it a hard cheese like cheddar? blue?
09:58:52  <yawnt>nop
09:58:53  <yawnt>soft
09:59:58  <mashbox>2.4.3
10:00:28  <yawnt>update to 2.7
10:00:50  <mashbox>anyways i'm leaving this and i'll try again on my macOS later
10:01:08  <mashbox>this centOS is just too much trouble
10:01:22  <mashbox>thanks anyway
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10:02:32  <yawnt>mashbox: try other repos
10:02:39  <yawnt>default ones are a bit outdated
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10:04:18  <yawnt>mashbox: just make sure yo don't install python 3
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10:12:15  <booyaa>mashbox: yeah recommend using homebrew then installing nvm
10:12:37  <booyaa>you'll end up wanting other friends for node.js to play with
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10:15:11  <porsager>Hi.. i get https://gist.github.com/3871422 when deploying
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10:18:44  <porsager>and i also get this: https://gist.github.com/3871444
10:18:55  <porsager>it seems like some kind of timeout issue
10:19:11  <porsager>You've helped me out with it before where you said that i was hitting a bad drone.
10:20:48  <terite>Can I get some flatiron/resourceful documentation on hooks? Right now the only way to see that the functionality exists is to read the source
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10:59:14  <dmitri>hi guys
10:59:17  <dmitri>help!
10:59:18  <dmitri>http://geotest.jit.su/
10:59:25  <dmitri>my demo doesn't work
10:59:32  <dmitri>An error has occurred: {"code":"ECONNREFUSED","errno":"ECONNREFUSED","syscall":"connect"}
10:59:51  <dmitri>is it possibility to fix this quickly?
11:00:35  <mbalho>where is your server side source code
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11:01:41  <mmalecki>dmitri: looking at it but most likely it's in a crash loop
11:02:53  <mmalecki>dmitri: are you deploying now?
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11:04:04  <dmitri>no
11:04:24  <dmitri>i was deploying nearly half of an hour
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11:07:09  <mmalecki>dmitri: hm, somehow your app ended up on 2 servers, can you check now?
11:08:22  <dmitri>now works
11:08:38  <dmitri>what cause this? i'm curious
11:09:21  <mmalecki>it might've been the deploy we did yesterday
11:09:37  <mmalecki>if we restarted master API when you were starting your app this might've happened
11:09:40  <mmalecki>sorry :(
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11:11:14  <dmitri>no worries, thanks for help
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11:12:32  <bright_day>when i deploy my app with jitsu this error occurs error: Error: package.json error: can't find starting script: app.js
11:13:16  <bright_day>whats problem i don't get i deferentially have app.js
11:13:45  <yawnt>bright_day: is your app.js in in npmignore or gitignore?
11:14:04  <yawnt>if not.. change scripts.start to "node app.js" in your package.json and try redeploying please :)
11:14:20  <bright_day>yawnt: yes i have it in .gitignore
11:14:38  <yawnt>bright_day: then that's why jitsu doesn't load it
11:14:50  <yawnt>add a blank .npmignore to override the .gitignore
11:14:57  <yawnt>so jitsu will upload your app.js
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11:16:37  <bright_day>yawnt: oh thanks it did the job : )
11:17:05  <yawnt>you're welcome
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11:25:42  <porsager>could anyone help me, i get these errors when i try to deploy : https://gist.github.com/3871444 - https://gist.github.com/3871422 ?
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11:32:01  <yawnt>porsager: hey
11:32:09  <yawnt>looking :)
11:32:43  <porsager>hi :) thank you. i've just been retrying, and as you wrote it came back ok.
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11:33:10  <yawnt>is it solved then?
11:33:47  <porsager>well, i think this is happening very often when deploying, so if it's solved for good i wouldn't know :)
11:34:15  <porsager>but yeah, this one deploy worked.
11:34:31  <yawnt>nice
11:34:32  <yawnt>:D
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12:15:23  <deoxxa>(ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:・゚✧
12:15:37  <yawnt>no
12:15:45  <deoxxa>:<
12:15:46  <yawnt>it's (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:~゚✧
12:16:04  <yawnt>BUT HEY
12:16:12  <deoxxa>(´・ω・`)
12:16:14  <yawnt>lol
12:16:17  <yawnt>looks like a koala
12:16:19  <yawnt>angry koala
12:16:26  <deoxxa>koalas are always angry
12:16:32  <deoxxa>ヾ( ゚Д゚)ノ
12:16:35  <yawnt>haha
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12:23:01  <deoxxa>so my streaming bencode decoder is completely broken
12:23:07  <deoxxa>doesn't do dictionaries properly
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12:28:27  <yawnt>deoxxa: YOU ARE A DICTIONARY
12:28:34  <yawnt>deoxxa: so did you think about the real time stuff?
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12:28:38  <yawnt>also mmalecki ping
12:29:06  <deoxxa>jisho ja nai yo ne
12:30:20  <mmalecki>yawnt: pong
12:30:24  <mmalecki>sup yo
12:30:28  <yawnt>mmalecki: gonna be hackathon @ nodejsconf.it
12:30:41  <mmalecki>yawnt: yes. the same day as the nodeknockout
12:30:44  <yawnt>yeah
12:30:47  <yawnt>but it's not knockout
12:30:50  <yawnt>so you can partecipate
12:30:51  <mmalecki>so I'm likely to be devopsing the fuck out of shit
12:30:52  <yawnt>can't you?
12:30:54  <mmalecki>I can
12:30:55  <yawnt>OUCH
12:30:57  <yawnt>I FORGOT
12:30:58  <mmalecki>and I'll
12:31:03  <mmalecki>since they will have wifi
12:31:08  <yawnt>anyway
12:31:25  <yawnt>we were thinking about kicking asses with a realtime app using bittorrent.js
12:31:29  <mmalecki>sure
12:31:30  <yawnt>since it has to do realtime stuff
12:31:32  <mmalecki>I'm in
12:31:34  <yawnt>nice
12:31:37  <yawnt>deoxxa: WE GOT A TEAM
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12:31:44  <deoxxa>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
12:31:48  <yawnt>how much is the hackathon ticket?
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12:32:41  <mmalecki>yawnt: it's free?
12:32:52  <yawnt>mmalecki: not @ nodejsconf i think
12:33:00  <yawnt>http://nodejsconf.it/hackathon.html
12:33:15  <yawnt>oh yes
12:33:15  <yawnt>it is
12:33:16  <yawnt>nice
12:35:01  <deoxxa>whee
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12:36:03  <deoxxa>what exactly is libero cloud
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12:36:28  <yawnt>deoxxa: joyent
12:36:31  <deoxxa>oh
12:36:34  <yawnt>just sold under another name
12:36:43  <deoxxa>i see
12:37:40  <yawnt>yeah basically because italy doesn't really have a "cloud service"
12:37:44  <yawnt>there's aruba but it's shit
12:37:50  <yawnt>like their datacenter went on fire last year lol
12:38:02  <deoxxa>lol!
12:38:10  <yawnt>and libero is a pretty known ISP
12:38:16  <yawnt>so they re-sell joyent's SmartMachines
12:38:22  <yawnt>and you get a known name
12:38:36  <deoxxa>i think "everything is on fire" is a pretty bad failure condition
12:38:52  <yawnt>how's your hosting?
12:38:53  <yawnt>SMOKING HOT
12:39:02  <deoxxa>BURN
12:39:08  <deoxxa>oh god too many puns
12:39:18  <yawnt>lol
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12:51:40  <dmitri>hi guys
12:51:45  <yawnt>hi
12:51:46  <dmitri>need your help again
12:52:05  <dmitri>http://tympanus.net/Tutorials/RealtimeGeolocationNode/
12:52:32  <dmitri>here's included in iframe http://geotest.jit.su/
12:52:39  <dmitri>An error has occurred: {"code":"ECONNRESET"}
12:52:42  <dmitri>again
12:53:09  <dmitri>could you fix this? why does it happen again?
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12:55:38  <dmitri>mm?
12:58:21  <yawnt>dmitri: usually that happen when your app accepts the connection
12:58:23  <yawnt>and then crashes
12:58:26  <yawnt>what do your log show?
13:01:11  <dmitri>let me take a look
13:02:04  <dmitri>log is clear
13:02:10  <dmitri>only sockets info
13:02:37  <yawnt>anyway the app is working now
13:02:39  <yawnt>at least for me
13:03:11  <dmitri>i still have An error has occurred: {"code":"ECONNREFUSED","errno":"ECONNREFUSED","syscall":"connect"}
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13:09:46  <yawnt>dmitri: could you please paste me your package.json ?
13:10:07  <dmitri>sec
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13:11:22  <dmitri>https://gist.github.com/3872161
13:12:30  <yawnt>can you change socket.io to "https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io/tarball/master"
13:12:39  <yawnt>and node-ecstatic to "*" and try redeploying?
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13:13:59  <matejkramny>hi, i just deployed but it says Nodejitsu Error (500)
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13:14:34  <yawnt>matejkramny: can you please paste me the full output of jitsu and your package.json in a gist?
13:14:42  <yawnt>http://gist.github.com
13:15:53  <dmitri>yawnt: I cant redeploy because of 500 error
13:16:08  <matejkramny>https://gist.github.com/3872191
13:16:45  <matejkramny>seems like a global issue.. I thought it doesn't allow me to deploy because I hadn't paid for the drones yet
13:16:50  <yawnt>matejkramny: also your package.json please :)
13:17:37  <matejkramny>updated the gist
13:17:41  <yawnt>dmitri: can you please paste the output in a gist?
13:17:44  <yawnt>jitsu's output
13:17:50  <yawnt>matejkramny: thanks
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13:18:22  <matejkramny>yawnt: I don't know if this is a bug, but when I entered my payment details to nodejitsu it told me I can go testing for two months
13:18:39  <matejkramny>whereas it says 1 month on homepage..
13:19:25  <yawnt>matejkramny: no that's right, you have 1 free month testing, then if you enter C/C credentials you get another month
13:19:53  <matejkramny>oh thats good :)
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13:22:04  <dmitri>yawnt: https://gist.github.com/3872228
13:22:52  <matejkramny>dmitri: include a package.json :)
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13:23:24  <dmitri>i already posted it
13:23:27  <dmitri>guys
13:23:39  <yawnt>looking into it
13:26:05  <mashbox> i'm looking into building an app using socket.io, how can I calculate how many drones will it use?
13:26:06  <yawnt>dmitri: matejkramny: can you re-try deploying?
13:26:09  <dmitri>really sad.. may it be caused by big amount connections for the demo?
13:26:13  <dmitri>sec
13:26:24  <dmitri>still error An error has occurred: {"code":"ECONNRESET"}
13:26:37  <matejkramny>it will use one, as you can use more than 1 port on your drone..
13:26:50  <matejkramny>dmitri: i tried, same error
13:27:11  <matejkramny>my webpage works fine, just trouble uploading it
13:27:16  <yawnt>dmitri: try loggin errors from socket.io
13:27:54  <matejkramny>i tried yesterday from college, using the nodejitsu web deploy, but it was hanging on creating snapshot.. I thought it is the college, because they stupidly block every port they can
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13:29:35  <mashbox>matejkramny: the app might get a few thousand users at a time, so i'm concerend about the load (i have no experience with node.js)
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13:30:03  <dmitri>yawnt: no errors in logs..
13:30:04  <yawnt>mashbox: when you are reaching the drone's limit
13:30:09  <yawnt>you get notified
13:30:22  <dmitri>yawnt: i will try redeploy in sec
13:30:42  <mashbox>yawnt: oh, and then i can change my plan?
13:30:50  <yawnt>mashbox: yes
13:31:12  <yawnt>dmitri: do you catch errors from the sockets?
13:31:19  <yawnt>socket.on('error', ..)
13:32:04  <mashbox>is there any resource available on how to calculate the sort of load?
13:32:23  <matejkramny>mashbox: if you are new to nodejs i suggest trying to make a nodejs chat room like they have on chat.nodejs.org
13:32:27  <yawnt>dmitri: ok, so what's happening is .. socket.io outputs all the debug stuff
13:32:38  <yawnt>and that causes the app to eat up all the available memory and make it crash
13:33:40  <dmitri>yawnt: I've redeployd succsfully, remove all the socket.io debug
13:33:49  <mashbox>matejkramny: the link to the code is dead :(
13:33:59  <dmitri>yawnt: it seems everything fine now
13:34:06  <yawnt>dmitri: nice ;)
13:34:17  <dmitri>yawnt: i made some limits to emit
13:34:27  <dmitri>yawnt: on client
13:35:15  <dmitri>yawnt: btw this issue won't repeat because of lot of connections at the same time?
13:35:36  <matejkramny>mashbox: try this.. I customised the original chat room. careful though, it is 11 months old and might cause some errors on node 0.8.x
13:35:38  <matejkramny>https://github.com/matejkramny/Node.js-chat-with-commands
13:35:58  <yawnt>dmitri: just don't output everything and you should be fine
13:36:03  <matejkramny>and you might see some beginner errors :)
13:36:26  <mashbox>matejkramny: thanks!
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13:36:53  <matejkramny>yawnt: seems to work now..
13:37:00  <matejkramny>deploying...
13:37:20  <yawnt>matejkramny: lemme know ;)
13:38:19  <dmitri>yawnt: thanks!
13:38:35  <matejkramny>mashbox: it also uses mysql, so you might want to test locally before going to jitsu with this, as they have couchdb and all that no-query databases stuff
13:38:51  <yawnt>dmitri: you're welcome
13:39:57  <mashbox>ok cool
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13:44:23  <lpin>`3rdEden you there?
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13:44:49  <`3rdEden>lpin: yes, what's up
13:45:13  <lpin>playing with socket.io, this test does not pass on my mac https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io/blob/master/test/transports.websocket.test.js#L877
13:45:37  <`3rdEden>lpin: is this in the master?
13:45:45  <lpin>yep
13:46:00  <lpin>btw works on linux
13:46:20  <`3rdEden>it could be a race condition lpin
13:46:30  <`3rdEden>i see awful setTimout hacks in that code
13:46:39  <lpin>i see
13:47:18  <lpin>one more q, any idea on this? https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io/issues/1019
13:47:59  <`3rdEden>lpin: I have no idea what causes that
13:48:05  <`3rdEden>as it seems to be totally random
13:48:18  <`3rdEden>btw I just ran the test and all 224 passed
13:48:36  <`3rdEden>what node version are your running lpin?
13:48:42  <lpin>0.8.11
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13:48:59  <`3rdEden>hmz, i'm still running 0.8.6
13:49:11  <`3rdEden>i'll upgrade and see if that causes the tests to fail
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13:50:31  <`3rdEden>lpin: but im suspecting that the req.wsclient is probably caused by race condition again
13:51:05  <lpin> crickeys wrote something interesting
13:51:31  <lpin>this https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io/blob/master/lib/manager.js#L675 gets called before https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io/blob/master/lib/manager.js#L630
13:51:34  <lpin>no idea why
13:52:55  <`3rdEden>but that function https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io/blob/master/lib/manager.js#L631 is calling #675 again
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13:54:17  <`3rdEden>lpin: could it be that both `request` and `upgrade` are fired for websocket connections?
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13:54:25  <matejkramny>network graphs not working on github.. anybody having the same experience?
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13:55:05  <lpin>`3rdEden don't know, trying to figure out
13:55:17  <appsunited>Is it possible to deploy SocketStream apps to Nodejitsu? I get errors all the time. Here you can see the Gist: https://gist.github.com/3872451
13:56:10  <matejkramny>appsunited: i just experienced the same error a few minutes ago
13:56:18  <matejkramny>let yawnt know..
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13:57:07  <appsunited>Interesting, did you find a solution?
13:57:48  <matejkramny>i don't know if yawnt solved it, but it seemed to work a few minutes later
13:58:03  <matejkramny>as this line suggests: UNKNOWN, mkdir '/root/tmp/tmp-1871361iwoz4'
13:58:11  <matejkramny>they might not have enough space in /tmp
13:58:24  <matejkramny>or something like that.. dont know
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13:59:40  <MannyCal>how many apps can I run on a single drone?
13:59:54  <appsunited>matejkramny: Thanks for info... hopefully a Nodejitsu guy can help.
13:59:56  <lpin>MannyCal, 1
14:00:16  <yawnt>appsunited: matejkramny try again now :)
14:00:28  <MannyCal>lpin: you sure?
14:00:33  <yawnt>MannyCal: 1 app is 1 drone
14:00:36  <lpin>MannyCal yes
14:00:41  <yawnt>lpin: ++
14:00:41  <kohai>lpin has 3 beers
14:01:00  <yawnt>appsunited: matejkramny also please.. could you tell me how big is your project directory?
14:01:14  <ebright>Does nodejitsu have datacentres in the EU?
14:01:20  <yawnt>ebright: not yet
14:01:22  <matejkramny>6.8 mb
14:01:51  <yawnt>ok
14:01:54  <yawnt>appsunited: ?
14:02:05  <matejkramny>MannyCal: u can run as many apps as you like, but u can only run 1 on port 80
14:02:12  <appsunited>it's deploying and works!
14:02:14  <appsunited>:)
14:02:29  <yawnt>appsunited: please, can you tell me the size of your project folder?
14:02:47  <yawnt>matejkramny: it's 1 app, 1 drone.. then what your app does, that's another story
14:03:08  <matejkramny>depends how you define 'app'
14:03:32  <appsunited>It's a SocketStream standard app (chat client) and it's 17,7 MB.
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14:04:10  <yawnt>matejkramny: please, don't create confusion ;)
14:04:51  <appsunited>If we assign 5 drones to 1 app: does it have a better performance?
14:05:09  <yawnt>appsunited: yes.. it has more computing power
14:05:30  <matejkramny>how do u assign more drones to 1 app?
14:06:05  <appsunited>You add a subscription plan to each app.
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14:11:23  <matejkramny>i suppose it is allowed after we subscribe..
14:11:34  <matejkramny>sorry yawnt.. no more confusion
14:13:33  <ebright>yawnt Has it been announced when nodejistsu will come to the EU?
14:13:44  <matejkramny>+1 ebright
14:13:47  <yawnt>ebright: not yet
14:13:49  <ebright>Does joyent already have datacenters there?
14:14:26  <ebright>I read something about hosting nodejitsu on AWS - they're in the EU could that be a solution for me?
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14:15:26  <matejkramny>joyent has datacentres in amsterdam
14:15:31  <matejkramny>http://joyent.com/products/joyent-cloud/data-centers
14:15:47  <ebright>that's great! I'm in the netherlands :)
14:15:53  <yawnt>ebright: if you want a custom solution
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14:16:00  <mmalecki>ebright: for now that'd require a private cloud
14:16:08  <yawnt>nodejitsu can set up in a datacenter of your choice
14:16:16  <mmalecki>that ^
14:16:24  <matejkramny>so in amsterdam too?
14:16:42  <matejkramny>i guess that are the business plans hmm?
14:16:48  <yawnt>sure
14:16:53  <ebright>That sounds a lot more expensive.. is it? :o /has a look on the site
14:16:55  <yawnt>you'll have to pay for the private cloud though
14:17:12  <ebright>matejkramny I live in The Hague personally
14:17:28  <matejkramny>i am in uk :)
14:17:58  <ebright>I used to live in Surrey (uk) :)
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14:18:44  <matejkramny>ebright: how did u move to netherlands
14:18:49  <matejkramny>why*
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14:20:12  <ebright>I'm dutch - I went back to go to uni - moved to the uk for my fathers work in 1996 I believe it was
14:20:52  <ebright>mmalecki yawnt I can't seem to find private cloud pricing option on the site or am I being thick?
14:21:04  <yawnt>ebright: private cloud as in
14:21:08  <yawnt>you provide the infrastructure
14:21:12  <yawnt>nodejitsu provides the software
14:21:46  <yawnt>eg: you buy some aws, then nodejitsu installs the software on it, so you can deploy as if it was nodejitsu.com
14:21:58  <ebright>yea
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14:24:18  <matejkramny>how much does the sw cost?
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14:24:40  <nesQuick>Hey again, are there currently some known issues with the conformation mails? We're waiting since an hour :S @see https://twitter.com/fholzhauer/statuses/256397773853818880
14:24:45  <ebright>tbh it sounds like something that would be too expensive for me atm, but I'd like to know
14:25:19  <yawnt>matejkramny: ebright: if you need specific informations, shoot an email at [email protected] :)
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14:25:47  <ebright>I'd also like to know what the latency for customers from the EU (the Netherlands) would be trying to access nodejistsu (in the US)
14:26:09  <matejkramny>+1 ebright
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14:26:47  <yawnt>yeah as i said, email [email protected] with any questions you might have :)
14:26:51  <matejkramny>i could ping my app... tryiing
14:27:32  <matejkramny>ping matej.me gives me an average of 98 ms
14:27:39  <ebright>Does nodejitsu offer/utilize a CDN?
14:28:03  <ebright>98ms.. that doesn't sound too bad..
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14:29:34  <ebright>might be good enough for a private beta..
14:31:45  <matejkramny>what?
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14:36:53  <yawnt>nesQuick: hey
14:36:56  <yawnt>i've just checked
14:37:02  <yawnt>confirmation mail work as usual
14:37:11  <yawnt>mind to try again? :)
14:37:43  <nesQuick>even on the website? not jitsu
14:37:51  <nesQuick>we tried it with 2 different accounts
14:38:47  <AvianFlu>nesQuick: what's your email provider like
14:39:06  <AvianFlu>we've seen a few corporate firewalls block our emails entirely
14:39:12  <nesQuick>digitalpioneers.de
14:39:35  <nesQuick>Google Apps
14:39:38  <AvianFlu>okay
14:40:16  <AvianFlu>the simplest thing to do here, I think, is for you to pm me the account name or names
14:40:23  <AvianFlu>and I can go get you the codes you need to confirm them
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14:40:30  <AvianFlu>rather than trying to chase emails through space and time
14:40:36  <raymondcamden>good morning all
14:40:44  <raymondcamden>quick question about the free level service
14:41:00  <yawnt>raymondcamden: yes? :)
14:41:10  <raymondcamden>i believe it says you have 1 process. if you have 2 apps up there - does that mean you can only run one at a time?
14:41:17  <raymondcamden>btw - thank s for the help earlier yawnt
14:41:22  <yawnt>raymondcamden: anytime
14:41:42  <yawnt>raymondcamden: yes, basically every app needs 1 or more drones
14:42:18  <yawnt>so if you want to run 2 apps, you'll have to get 2 drones
14:42:22  <raymondcamden>ah ok
14:42:54  <raymondcamden>so not necessarily the best solution for sharing ad hoc demos from blog posts? :)
14:43:36  <yawnt>sorry?
14:43:53  <raymondcamden>what i mean is - the free solution wouldnt be able to hold a few random node.js samples :)
14:43:58  <raymondcamden>since i could only run one at a time
14:44:17  <yawnt>well, you could put the apps together in one
14:44:23  <yawnt>and serve them from different urls
14:44:40  <raymondcamden>true
14:44:47  <raymondcamden>gracias
14:44:50  <raymondcamden>kick ass service
14:44:50  <yawnt>you're welcome
14:45:07  <raymondcamden>took me about an hour or so to get an Amazon EC2 instance up and running - this was MUCH easier once i got past the hiccups
14:45:18  <yawnt>glad you like it!
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14:49:12  <matejkramny>is that the glacier service?
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14:50:39  <yawnt>matejkramny: ?
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14:51:34  <matejkramny>ec2 is that amazon glacier?
14:51:59  <raymondcamden>oh no
14:52:04  <raymondcamden>just their virtual server service
14:52:23  <raymondcamden>i _was_ able to get Node up and running just fine, just many steps, lots of moving parts :)
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15:24:40  <generalissimo>i keep getting hangups when trying to deploy https://gist.github.com/1eb7cd6937f30bc3d5a3
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15:26:29  <generalissimo>nvm it worked this last time
15:27:06  <raymondcamden>i had one of those this morning
15:27:09  <raymondcamden>and like ou, went away
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15:37:03  <bardu>is someone there who could speak about the billing migration or an email address I could contact?
15:37:17  <yawnt>bardu: me :)
15:38:52  <bardu>okay, the email I received yesterday suggest signing up for an individual plan, but I would rather like to have a business plan which are not yet available
15:39:34  <bardu>how goes the migration from an individual to a business pla?
15:41:28  <bardu>we go public with our app on Nov 1 and I don't want any interruptions
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15:41:57  <yawnt>i see
15:42:26  <yawnt>in this case i think it's better if you shoot an email to [email protected] describing your use case so that you can have the best answer
15:42:51  <bardu>will do so, thanks
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15:43:00  <yawnt>you're welcome
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16:07:07  <jan____>probably a stupid question, but I'm a heroku convert and they don't give you access to the file system, so to speak. how does this work with you guys>
16:07:10  <jan____>s/>/?/
16:07:55  <mmalecki>you can write to FS but it doesn't persist during deploys
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16:08:33  <yawnt>and the space you have is 2GB
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16:10:45  <jan____>mmalecki: you mean the FS is only good for a single deploy? are there other restrictions?
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16:15:14  <mmalecki>jan____: yup, single deploy
16:15:42  <jan____>cool, thx. (also, boo :D)
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16:20:08  <fooman>hey guys, how can i generate my SSL certificate signing request (csr) for nodejitsu? buying a wildcard ssl cert now to use for across 5 subdomains
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16:21:08  <jan____>mmmh, webops seems slow (from Berlin)
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16:21:57  <mmalecki>jan____: it's getting pretty hammered. second, I'll give it moar servers
16:22:19  <jan____>mmalecki: no pressure, just poking around for a few minutes
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16:23:11  <blair_>Does anyone have info on how much disk space is included in each of the jitsu shared hosting plans? I've tried looking all over the site for this information and can't seem to find anything.
16:23:29  <yawnt>blair_: 2 gigabytes
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16:24:38  <fooman>hey +yawnt, should i send an email to support about the ssl cert signing request?
16:24:48  <blair_>Thanks +yawnt
16:25:07  <mmalecki>fooman: just like you'd generate a regular one
16:25:11  <mmalecki>nothing changes
16:25:44  <blair_>Any info on monthly transfer? How much do you get with the shared hosting?
16:26:18  <mmalecki>blair_: transfer is unlimited
16:26:43  <blair_>Great, thanks @mmalecki
16:28:03  <coderarity>blair_: but there's this http://legal.nodejitsu.com/acceptable-use-policy - see the bottom
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16:29:07  <fooman>@mmalecki - check out this screen grab. trying to buy from rapidssl and their copy doesn't really make sense: http://cl.ly/image/1P3q3W0G1v44
16:29:38  <fooman>i've done ssl with apache before, but obviously different with nodejitsu
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16:30:13  <mmalecki>fooman: I mean, do you know how to generate a CSR?
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16:31:34  <fooman>@mmalecki yeah, but doesn't it need to be done from the server that the cert will be used on, or did i just imagine that part?
16:31:44  <mmalecki>nope, not at all
16:31:58  <fooman>ah ok, feeling dumb now
16:32:03  <fooman>always done it that way
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16:45:53  <Nodejitsu-Github>[haibu/master] [fix] Correct TEMP path - Maciej Małecki
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16:45:59  <mmalecki>bradleymeck: AvianFlu ^
16:46:15  <AvianFlu>mmalecki: ++
16:46:16  <kohai>mmalecki has 129 beers
16:46:51  <bradleymeck>mmalecki: nice
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17:27:01  <phillyDesignr>jitsu apps update appname not reading local path correctly
17:27:38  <yawnt>phillyDesignr: ?
17:28:15  <phillyDesignr>i ran the command and No package found at /Users/jeremyzevin/Google Drive/package.json
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17:31:00  <phillyDesignr>yawnt: my apologies i thought i was in the app dir but wasn't lol
17:31:26  <yawnt>phillyDesignr: yeha i was trying to reproduce and i couldn't :P
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17:48:06  <drunkgoat>hey everybody, could someone please help? why am i getting {"code":"ECONNREFUSED","errno":"ECONNREFUSED","syscall":"connect"} with code 500?
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17:48:30  <blakmatrix>drunkgoat: what is your username appname?
17:48:31  <drunkgoat>the logs doesn't show anything special
17:48:38  <drunkgoat>username oriben
17:48:40  <drunkgoat>app name hangies-crud
17:49:57  <drunkgoat>thanks
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17:54:24  <powderhound>I know that TCP applications are on the roadmap, but is there any estimate on when that will happen? Do any of the other hosts currently support them?
17:55:17  <drunkgoat>blakmatrix: are you there?
17:55:19  <AvianFlu>powderhound: it will be a month or so
17:56:02  <powderhound>AvianFlu: That would be about perfect timing for me. Is there any way I can be notified of when that happens?
17:56:03  <blakmatrix>drunkgoat: yes i am here, been looking at your app
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17:56:45  <drunkgoat>blakmatrix: ok i'll be patient. thanks
17:57:15  <AvianFlu>powderhound: email [email protected] with a description of what you're trying to do, and we'll get back to you when we can
17:57:21  <AvianFlu>so we have a reference to respond to
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17:58:34  <blakmatrix>drunkgoat: it looks to be working now... can you verify?
17:59:04  <drunkgoat>blakmatrix: like a charm. thanks
17:59:53  <drunkgoat>blakmatrix: any idea why this should happen? it happened several times before, but quickly "repaired" by itself
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18:00:46  <powderhound>AvianFlu: Thanks so much! I'm definitely looking forward to using the service, seems like a fun project.
18:01:14  <blakmatrix>drunkgoat: my guess would be a database connection failed of some sorts
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18:03:15  <drunkgoat>blakmatrix: ok i'll check it out. thank you for your help.
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18:06:15  <blakmatrix>^^ huh
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18:07:05  <AvianFlu>that's kinda fail
18:07:11  <mmalecki>I'm reaching out to him
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19:06:21  <Leeol2>How do you go about closing a flatiron app server? Is `app.server.close()` the correct method? (I ask, because even after i call close(), my server accepts every 3rd connection.. yes, that is as bizarre as it sounds..)
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19:15:32  <coderarity>Leeol2: yeah
19:15:40  <Leeol2>coderarity: ok, thank you.
19:15:52  <Leeol2>I got some bizarre crap going on then :s
19:16:16  <coderarity>it's the same as node's close
19:16:31  <Leeol2>Yea, i think i dug through the code one time to find server.close
19:16:44  <coderarity>http://nodejs.org/api/http.html#http_server_close_cb
19:16:47  <Leeol2>But with all the wierdness i am experiencing now in my test suite, it's rather puzzling haha
19:16:53  <coderarity>make sure to put the code that makes another connection in the callback
19:17:01  <coderarity>otherwise it won't have been closed yet
19:17:08  <Leeol2>Another connection?
19:17:24  <coderarity>Leeol2: the code that is making that connection that's going through, is that in the close() callback?
19:18:10  <Leeol2>coderarity: I'm not sure exactly what you mean. This is in a test suite, so a `before` starts the server, then the tests run, then at the end the server is closed so the test suite can end
19:18:36  <coderarity>Leeol2: https://gist.github.com/cc80597acc89beff454f
19:18:52  <Leeol2>oh gotcha
19:18:53  <coderarity>like that :D
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19:19:38  <Leeol2>No, there currently is no test to see if the connection is closed. I ran the test suite, and it stayed open, so i pinged the address of the web server and saw that it was still accepting every X connections
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19:20:06  <Leeol2>coderarity: It would fail X times, then accept 1 connection. Then fail X times, and accept 1 connection. Rather bizarre (not something i expect you to solve lol)
19:20:16  <Leeol2>I just came here to make sure i was closing the server properly
19:20:40  <coderarity>alright
19:20:43  <Leeol2>I think i found the problem
19:21:04  <Leeol2>I'm making a request via `http.request` to test the server from the outside, and it must be keeping the connection open
19:22:01  <Leeol2>Not sure why, but when i remove the call to http.request it closes properly. *confused*
19:22:07  <Leeol2>Anyway, ty :)
19:22:46  <jaha>how can I setup http-proxy to handle mydomain.com:80 requests and send them to mydomain.com:3000? I already setup the hosts file to point mydomain.com to 127.0.0.1, having a hard time getting the rest to work, i tried it through the CLI with no luck
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19:23:18  <jaha>bascially just trying to setup a new dev env
19:29:36  <coderarity>jaha: the CLI? hmm
19:29:36  <jaha>woops, NVM, forgot you have to all subdomains in HOSTS file
19:30:08  <jaha>ruel for mydomain.com wont work for sub.mydomain.com
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19:30:54  <jaha>CLI seems to work fine though is it correct that I need to run it as root to listen to port 80
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19:35:23  <coderarity>yes
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19:44:10  <fooman>hey guys, any problems with auth right now? i tried to change my pass in the web interface, hit a 401 after submitting, tried to login with my new password, that failed, tried to login with the old one and that failed. did password reset, ran the command, prompt returned ok on setting new pass, still can't login
19:44:46  <yawnt>hey fooman
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19:46:09  <fooman>hey yawnt, for some reason i can't respond to your PM
19:46:17  <fooman>the window says i can't use that command there
19:46:24  <yawnt>fooman: what command?
19:47:46  <fooman>just trying to respond period. but to answer your question, i tried changing it from a weak alphanumeric pass to one that has symbols (used the 1password app to generate a crazy pass)
19:47:58  <fooman>should i just run reset again and not use symbols?
19:48:08  <fooman>i was thinking of giving that a shot, just want to check here first
19:48:11  <yawnt>fooman: nah symbols are fine
19:48:15  <yawnt>i use them myself ;)
19:48:18  <yawnt>hold a sec
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20:00:29  <Leeol2>coderarity: ping
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20:03:16  <coderarity>Leeol2: sup?
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20:03:30  <Leeol2>Ok, i did more testing, and i feel like i traced the problem back to flatiron
20:03:43  <Leeol2>coderarity: https://gist.github.com/d7848f07b7f5a355fb33
20:03:57  <Leeol2>coderarity: If you run the code, it should go to 12 seconds and close successfully
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20:04:25  <Leeol2>However, if you run the code, open your browser and connect to it, it fails to close
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20:04:48  <Leeol2>Note that i am running this on c9.io, lemme open up my VM and try this code in Linux (perhaps it's a bug related to c9.io)
20:05:08  <coderarity>one second, let me try
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20:12:02  <coderarity>Leeol2: works for me? maybe update union?
20:12:04  <coderarity>or flatiron?
20:12:24  <Leeol2>I'm attempting to reproduce it in linux, I'm hoping it's a version issue
20:12:33  <Leeol2>I'll let you know if i can reproduce it
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20:13:59  <j__>hey
20:14:07  <j__>getting an issue on jitsu deploy
20:14:08  <j__> Creating snapshot 0.0.1-1 error: Error running command deploy error: Nodejitsu Error (500): Internal Server Error error: No matching versions found help: For help with this error contact Nodejitsu Support: help: webchat: <http://webchat.nodejitsu.com/> help: irc: <irc://chat.freenode.net/#nodejitsu> help: email: <[email protected]> help: help: Copy and paste this output to a gist (http://gist
20:14:22  <j__>any ideas how to resolve this/
20:14:22  <blakmatrix>can you gist me your package.json
20:14:36  <j__>sure. brb
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20:16:48  <j__>https://gist.github.com/3875202
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20:17:53  <blakmatrix>j__: use "node": "0.8.x" instead
20:18:46  <j__>ahh
20:18:47  <blakmatrix>also for extra measure put an extension on the start script
20:19:00  <blakmatrix>I dont think the fix for that has been pushed yet
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20:21:16  <j__>im getting a different error now
20:21:21  <j__>There was an error while attempting to deploy the app error: error: package.json error: can't find starting script: node app error: Package.json start script declared but not found error: error: This type of error is usually a user error.
20:21:52  <j__>im a node beginner so sorry if i come across a little dumb
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20:22:25  <blakmatrix>it cant find your app
20:22:50  <blakmatrix>in you package.json set he start script to your entry program
20:23:04  <blakmatrix>app.js server.js ... whatever your using
20:23:07  <Leeol2>coderarity: It seems to be directly involved with http://c9.io, sigh.
20:23:35  <blakmatrix>what about c9?
20:23:46  <jaha>any idea why I cant seem to install a npm package from bitbucket? i get Error: No compatible version found:
20:24:19  <Leeol2>blakmatrix: A very odd bug with a server not closing after a connection was made. (might be related to Flatiron or not.. don't know for sure yet)
20:24:20  <blakmatrix>jaha: how are you declaring it in your package.json?
20:24:31  <Leeol2>blakmatrix: https://gist.github.com/d7848f07b7f5a355fb33
20:25:05  <j__>thanks @blakmatrix, that did the trirck
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20:25:28  <Leeol2>blakmatrix: On c9.io, if i make a connection to that code before it closes, it fails to close on c9.io. I have yet to reproduce it outside of c9.io (sigh)
20:26:14  <jaha>blakmatrix: https://gist.github.com/3875251
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20:29:36  <blakmatrix>id use `return process.exit(0);`
20:29:41  <blakmatrix>but thats just me lol
20:30:32  <blakmatrix>jaha: I dont see bitbuc it in there?
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20:36:33  <coderarity>Leeol2: that happens more than i wish it did
20:36:48  <Leeol2>coderarity: What does?
20:37:17  <coderarity>c9 problems
20:37:26  <Leeol2>Yea
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20:39:29  <Leeol2>coderarity: It's flat out bizarre. In one project, i run the code and it produces the error. In a new project, i run the code, and it *doesn't* produce the error. Both cases were a fresh installation of node_modules
20:39:56  <coderarity>Leeol2: wow
20:40:03  <coderarity>that is pretty crazy
20:40:10  <coderarity>brb, lunch
20:40:13  <Leeol2>I can't think of anything else heh
20:40:18  <Leeol2>k, sorry for the trouble. :)
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20:46:13  <asherkin>Is there any chance you guys could switch to a payment processor like PayPal that can bill internationally properly in local currencies?
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20:47:03  <asherkin>being charged 200% is... unpleasent
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20:57:36  <asherkin>also I see the "you have 2 months left" banner has dissapeared since chosing a plan - can I switch back to no plan and still get those 2 months?
20:57:54  <asherkin>as I dont feel like being charged double again
20:58:46  <blakmatrix>asherkin: that "banner" was just an alert text i think
20:59:31  <blakmatrix>chjj:^^ a credit is aplied right if usere downgrades after have paid ?
20:59:50  <asherkin>blakmatrix: tbh, I didn't expect to be charged for the plan until the 2 months were up
20:59:57  <asherkin>so I'm not making any more assumptions!
21:00:16  <blakmatrix>chjj: ?
21:00:38  <blakmatrix>how dd you get charged 2x ?
21:00:41  <blakmatrix>asherkin: ?
21:01:51  <asherkin>blakmatrix: a overseas transaction fee equiv to $3 (1.5 GBP)
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21:02:28  <blakmatrix>ah lameola , paypal wouldnt do that?
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21:03:16  <asherkin>no, as they bill in the local currency, so I'd have been billed in GBP instead of USD, so no bank fees
21:03:41  <asherkin>(they have slightly worse off conversion rates generally, but at amounts this low it's still cheaper)
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21:05:56  <blakmatrix>conversion fees are a load of croc
21:06:00  <blakmatrix>hmmm
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21:51:01  <davisml>hello
21:51:34  <davisml>I keep getting an ECONNREFUSED message when I try to deploy to Nodejitsu
21:51:47  <davisml>well, after deploying and visiting the URL
21:53:22  <blakmatrix>hello
21:53:35  <blakmatrix>what is your usernamen
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21:55:33  <davisml>flow
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21:56:11  <davisml>also is there an environment variable for the port I should be running on?
21:56:31  <davisml>right now I'm manually setting it to 80 with jitsu
21:56:53  <blakmatrix>somethng > 1024
21:57:14  <davisml>how do you forward port 80 to it then?
21:57:16  <blakmatrix>i dont see your deploy what is the app name and can yo udo a deploy while i watch
21:57:31  <davisml>https://operator.nodejitsu.com/
21:57:57  <davisml>okay so I run jitsu env set PORT 1025
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21:58:18  <davisml>how can I restart the server/
21:58:42  <davisml>nvm
21:59:01  <davisml>error: Error running command apps restart operator error: Nodejitsu Error (500): Internal Server Error error: not_found
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22:00:24  <davisml>okay I've managed to restart the app
22:00:27  <blakmatrix>davisml: your app is in a crash loop because its trying to connect to locahost for something
22:00:37  <blakmatrix>i think it has to do with mongoose
22:00:39  <davisml>ah okay
22:00:41  <davisml>yeah
22:00:42  <davisml>thank you
22:00:49  <davisml>back to my original question
22:01:14  <davisml>how does the server know which port to forward 80 to?
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22:03:17  <mmalecki>you're not hitting your server, you're hitting load balancers
22:03:32  <mmalecki>we detect what port you listen on and redirect traffic accordingly
22:03:43  <blakmatrix>NAT translation I think... basically haibu carapace wrops your code in it detects what port your trying to open, tries to honor it if possible or sets it to somehing else, from there it registres with the drone on some port, and then the balancers forward to the drone
22:04:04  <blakmatrix>the balances accept the port 80 traffic and translate it to what the drones are listening on
22:04:16  <blakmatrix>I believe
22:04:22  <blakmatrix>if i made any sense there
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22:05:15  <davisml>okay
22:05:30  <davisml>and is there an environment variable set that I can use to detect that I'm running on Nodejitsu?
22:05:36  <davisml>or should I set something like that manually
22:05:45  <mmalecki>NODE_ENV === 'production' on nodejitsu
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22:06:18  <davisml>perfect
22:06:21  <davisml>thanks for the help
22:06:32  <blakmatrix>davis you could also do somehting like `jitsu env set PAAS jitsu`
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22:11:17  <feklee>Is Redis 1.6 available on Nodejitsu? (I'm interested in using LUA scripting)
22:12:01  <blakmatrix>is that a npm package?
22:13:19  <feklee>blakmatrix: I'm an idiot. This is not a question about Nodejitsu. I should ask a database provider.
22:13:40  <blakmatrix>lol sorry
22:13:58  <feklee>(<http://redistogo.com/> for example)
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22:16:04  <blakmatrix>feklee: are free dbs come from redistogo
22:16:11  <blakmatrix>so it might be possible ?
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22:16:19  <blakmatrix>*our
22:17:38  <feklee>blakmatrix: RedisToGo offers a free plan.
22:17:48  <feklee>Currently checking about 2.6 support...
22:18:10  <blakmatrix>feklee: yeah our integration is based on ther free plans
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22:33:50  <st_luke>it's amazing how quickly you get tired of doing front end stuff
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22:44:22  <jaha>does the node-http-proxy CLI support websockets?
22:44:40  <jaha>(the server established by the CLI)
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22:50:20  <krisu>hi, is it possible to pay for hosting via PayPal?
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23:01:26  <superjoe>hey, I noticed that in forever's test suite, it spawns the node process
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23:01:39  <superjoe>did you have to something to make that work with travis ci?
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23:05:09  <Cygnus_X>any ideas on why i'd suddenly get "ReferenceError: io is not defined" for socket.io?
23:07:03  <deoxxa>Cygnus_X: are you requiring socket.io?
23:07:16  <deoxxa>i.e. `var io = require("socket.io")'
23:07:47  <Cygnus_X>i am server side
23:08:03  <Cygnus_X>hmm
23:08:09  <Cygnus_X>i just upgraded to express 3.0
23:08:20  * deoxxanods
23:08:23  <Cygnus_X>and in express, i'm actually donig io = io.listen(server) afterwards
23:08:27  <Cygnus_X>doing*
23:08:32  <Cygnus_X>which works on my machine locally....
23:08:59  <Cygnus_X>'in express' is probably a bad way of saying it
23:09:06  <Cygnus_X>more like 'per the express 3.0 instructions'
23:09:13  <deoxxa>var express_app = express(), http_server = http.createServer(express_app), socket_io_server = io.listen(http_server);
23:09:45  <deoxxa>the return value of express() is no longer an http server
23:09:54  <Cygnus_X>let me paste bin...
23:10:16  <Cygnus_X>http://pastebin.com/AgNHnVF7
23:10:25  <Cygnus_X>and, as i said, it works locally
23:11:04  <deoxxa>bzzzt
23:11:13  <deoxxa>var express = require("express"), app = express();
23:11:37  <deoxxa>not sure how you have that working at all
23:11:38  <deoxxa>haha
23:12:07  <Cygnus_X>https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io/blob/master/Readme.md
23:12:16  <Cygnus_X>see express 3.x instructions
23:12:32  <deoxxa>yes
23:12:34  <Cygnus_X>wait
23:12:37  <Cygnus_X>i am wrong
23:12:45  <deoxxa>\o/
23:12:52  <deoxxa>typos are </3
23:13:32  <Cygnus_X>copy paste error i guess
23:13:38  <Cygnus_X>i sitll have no idea how that worked locally
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23:13:47  <Cygnus_X>still*
23:13:59  <deoxxa>heh
23:14:01  <deoxxa>magic!
23:15:43  <Cygnus_X>and it seems to work
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23:47:20  <sberryman>hmm, just got a email saying my subscription state was changed to canceled :)
23:47:28  <sberryman>when i tried to sign up for a large plan
23:48:58  <AvianFlu>sberryman: I see what happened
23:49:07  <AvianFlu>the "sandbox" got cancelled in favor of a larger plan
23:49:15  <AvianFlu>so... you shouldn't really get that email
23:49:18  <AvianFlu>but that's all it probably was
23:49:26  <AvianFlu>thanks for pointing it out
23:49:31  <sberryman>no problem
23:49:53  <sberryman>also confused that it doesnt show my higher plan anywhere
23:50:03  <sberryman>not in account or in the plan for each app
23:52:11  <sberryman>and do i need a plan for each app?
23:53:11  <AvianFlu>you don't need a plan for each app
23:53:25  <AvianFlu>we need to add better interface for distributing drones
23:53:39  <sberryman>so all my apps say "No subscription"
23:53:58  <sberryman>when i'm pretty sure i just paid for the large individual plan
23:54:17  <sberryman>no receipt via email yet
23:54:46  <AvianFlu>sberryman: are you getting that from the web ui or jitsu
23:55:04  <sberryman>webui (webops.nodejitsu.com)
23:55:56  <AvianFlu>okay
23:56:54  <sberryman>I also can't delete 4 snapshots for sberryman/teeleader-api (https://gist.github.com/3876477) I cant delete 0.1.18 through 0.1.21
23:58:56  <AvianFlu>sberryman: can you try starting apps with jitsu, and make sure it doesn't give you a subscription error?