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00:32:55  <konklone>Hi
00:33:56  <konklone>Does anybody have any ideas off the top of their head of why serving up Flash policy files for flashsockets inline (not on a separate port might work in development but not in production? something to do with nodejitsu's node-http-proxy?
00:34:08  <konklone>I'm setting the 'flash policy port' to -1 on my socket.io server
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00:34:58  <konklone>and have verified it working with IE9 when connecting to my development server even from another domain
00:35:10  <mmalecki>konklone: please turn off flashsocket transport at all
00:35:21  <konklone>mmalecki: nodejitsu doesn't support flashsockets?
00:35:38  <mmalecki>no, we don't
00:35:46  <konklone>well dang
00:36:11  <konklone>is it taxing or otherwise troublesome to support?
00:36:33  <mmalecki>it creates a tcp socket, our balancers are designed for proxying http
00:36:41  <mmalecki>why do you need it?
00:36:42  <konklone>doesn't websockets itself create a tcp socket?
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00:37:11  <mmalecki>not directly
00:37:11  <konklone>I'm using it to support streaming for IE8 and IE9 - and the other transport options (htmlfile, jsonp polling, xhr polling) are not "real time" enough to support mouse cursor streaming
00:37:55  <mmalecki>those browsers are really outdated
00:38:23  <konklone>IE8, maybe
00:38:27  <konklone>IE9 is not outdated
00:38:47  <konklone>IE10 isn't out yet
00:39:25  <mmalecki>oh, no, I mean the IE part
00:39:34  <konklone>I'm not *that* opinionated about it
00:39:36  <mmalecki>;)
00:39:47  <konklone>I hate IE as much as the next web dev
00:39:49  <mmalecki>also, doesn't IE9 support websockets?
00:39:54  <konklone>but IE9 is at least a mildly reasonable browser
00:39:57  <konklone>sadly, no :(
00:41:19  <konklone>IE10 preview does
00:41:20  <mmalecki>this is insane
00:44:32  <konklone>the whole situation is certainly insane
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00:44:42  <konklone>socket.io in theory has provisions so that everything can be served from the same port
00:44:49  <konklone>websockets, flash sockets, and the flash policy file
00:45:33  <konklone>I assume port 80 is the only port open for nodejitsu apps?
00:45:37  <konklone>or 443 for SSL
00:45:39  <konklone>but not 843?
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00:46:16  <mmalecki>indeed
00:46:27  <mmalecki>konklone: actually, `3rdEden would know more about that
00:46:34  <mmalecki>he worked on that recently
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00:47:40  <konklone>does `3rdEden work at nodejitsu?
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00:47:51  <konklone>I saw he wrote the policy-file library that socket.io uses to serve up flashsockets
00:48:47  <mmalecki>he does
00:49:38  <mmalecki>see "Advised production settings
00:49:42  <mmalecki>here https://github.com/LearnBoost/Socket.IO/wiki/Configuring-Socket.IO
00:49:48  <konklone>oh yeah I am all over that page
00:49:51  <mmalecki>oh, okay
00:49:51  <konklone>I have been at this...for hours
00:50:16  <konklone>I use that flashsocket code they recommend
00:50:44  <konklone>and it does work, even cross-domain - when the socket server code is running on my laptop
00:50:59  <konklone>although I have had an issue verifying decisively that all requests are running out of a single port
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01:12:53  <konklone>mm, I can verify that I can duplicate the behavior I see on nodejitsu by running node-http-proxy on my development machine
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01:13:08  <konklone>I can successfully proxy socket.io websockets connections through it, but not flashsockets
01:13:16  <mmalecki>yup
01:13:37  <mmalecki>when you netcat the flashsocket thingy, you'll see that there are no http headers
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01:14:16  <konklone>ah, the websockets traffic pretends to be HTTP traffic and so can get caught and connected with an HTTP proxy?
01:14:24  <konklone>I have seen the HTTP-like headers at the front of WS requests
01:14:35  <mmalecki>exactly
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01:15:59  <konklone>yeah, flashsockets is just an XML tag, I think
01:16:03  <konklone><policy-file/>
01:16:05  <konklone>or something like that
01:16:18  <konklone>like it's spitting a marble in your face
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01:35:55  <konklone>fwiw, I was able to just get it to work through node-http-proxy
01:35:56  <konklone>by doing this
01:35:59  <konklone>var pf = require('policyfile');
01:35:59  <konklone>pf.createServer().listen(null,server);
01:36:05  <konklone>where server is my node-http-proxy server
01:36:31  <konklone>null is where the port # would ordinarily go, but by providing that second server argument, the policyfile inserts itself in front of the server
01:36:41  <konklone>and quick checks all new connections to see if it's that <policy-file/> tag
01:36:52  <konklone>and if so returns the policy file and ends the connection
01:37:01  <konklone>or rather just sends that as the message
01:37:08  <konklone>communication works from then onwards
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03:44:33  <nmanousos_>my app isn't responding - does nodejitsu auto-restart apps if they crash?
03:46:53  <mmalecki>yes
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03:47:34  <nmanousos_>im confused then, nodejitsu webops says its running
03:47:50  <nmanousos_>but it wont load
03:47:54  <nmanousos_>:\
03:48:19  <nmanousos_>username: nmanousos app: coolence
03:50:48  <nmanousos_>any help would be super appreciated :)
03:52:12  <coderarity>checking
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03:55:40  <nmanousos_>i restarted it, its running now
03:55:48  <nmanousos_>curious why it stopped and wouldnt restart itself though
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03:55:55  <coderarity>alright
03:56:00  <coderarity>still loading :P
03:56:04  <coderarity>my internet is dieing
03:57:30  <coderarity>nmanousos_: looks like you ran out of memory
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03:58:43  <nmanousos_>how can i prevent that in the future? any way to monitor it?
03:59:36  <coderarity>it was a forever drone, the newer aeternum drones don't have nearly as many ENOMEM problems
03:59:50  <nmanousos_>ok cool
04:00:05  <nmanousos_>btw - do you know of an alternative to node-cron that doesn't block?
04:00:22  <nmanousos_>i have a cron job that runs hourly, and its starting to take a long time, as my user base grows
04:00:30  <nmanousos_>i think it is block acccess to the web site as it runs
04:00:55  <coderarity>hmmm, it shouldn't
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04:02:52  <nmanousos_>looks like it is out of mem again?
04:02:58  <nmanousos_>ah, just loaded
04:03:08  <nmanousos_>ah i see you via olark
04:03:28  <coderarity>yeah, looks like it's up now
04:03:41  <nmanousos_>cool, the cron job completed now
04:04:05  <coderarity>cron jobs could block if you do long-running synchronous operations, btw
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04:04:14  <coderarity>but that's why we have node, to avoid that :D
04:05:13  <nmanousos_>yeh, i need to clean this up a bit
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04:07:32  <nmanousos_>thank you for your help, i appreciate it
04:08:25  <coderarity>np
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04:35:19  <nmanousos>trying to deploy- getting "Script took too long to listen on a socket"
04:35:22  <nmanousos>any advice?
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04:39:29  <nmanousos>ah, deploy worked now - took a few tries
04:39:47  <coderarity>nmanousos: just move your server.listen to right after you create the server
04:39:59  <coderarity>and create your server as early as possible
04:40:02  <nmanousos>ah k
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06:05:21  <konklone>Getting sudden errors from both my nodejitsu apps
06:05:27  <konklone>http://isitchristmas.com and http://sockets.isitchristmas.com/
06:05:34  <konklone>webops page says they're both running
06:05:36  <konklone>gonna restart them both
06:05:45  <konklone>error msg for both right now is An error has occurred: {"code":"ECONNREFUSED","errno":"ECONNREFUSED","syscall":"connect"}
06:09:03  <konklone>when I ran 'jitsu apps restart' for iic_web, the command said it went okay but the app actually went from started to stopped
06:09:07  <konklone>I ran jitsu apps start and it came up
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06:09:54  <konklone>then I ran 'jitsu apps stop' on the other one, sockets, the command was successful, but visiting its domain returned the results of visiting the other one, which is very weird
06:10:08  <konklone>I just ran 'jitsu apps start' on it, and it is fine
06:11:17  <konklone>both are fine now - but I don't know why they went down, and why the dissonance between webops, the jitsu command line client, and reality
06:11:45  <konklone>there was no deploy or anything that prefaced the apps being down
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11:07:41  <nathan7>Hey blakmatrix
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11:12:02  <nathan7>blakmatrix: I'm trying to remember how the magic inside Haibu works
11:12:36  <nathan7>blakmatrix: a long long time ago I figured out how to hook the listen event to hand it to my proxy
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11:14:23  <nathan7>blakmatrix: something with carapace.servers it seems
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11:37:19  <nathan7>mmalecki: You alive?
11:43:56  <yawnt>hey ralphtheninja :D
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11:48:31  <ralphtheninja>yawnt: heya :)
11:52:58  <nathan7>Hey yawnt
11:53:07  <nathan7>yawnt: Do you know stuff about Haibu?
11:53:43  <yawnt>nathan7: hey, a bit... unfortunately i'm about to leave
11:53:46  <nathan7>yawnt: aw
11:53:55  <nathan7>yawnt: I am just trying to figure out how to hook the listen event
11:54:02  <nathan7>yawnt: so I can pass it to my reverse proxy
11:54:09  <yawnt>nathan7: not sure, i'd have to look at the sources
11:54:28  <yawnt>but it's probably in haibu-carapace what you're looking
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11:54:34  <nathan7>Yeah
11:54:37  <nathan7>carapace.servers
11:54:46  <nathan7>I'm not sure how I should be hooking into that
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15:56:57  <Sly>Everyone doing okay in here?
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17:16:14  <nathan7>Hey earthlings
17:16:50  <nathan7>mmalecki: alive?
17:19:49  <Sly>nathan7: what's up?
17:20:02  <Sly>Something you need mmalecki for, or...?
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17:21:54  <nathan7>I talked to him about haibu a while ago
17:22:12  <nathan7>Trying to figure out haibu-carapace's plugin stuff again
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17:23:47  <Sly>Ah.
17:23:56  <Sly>Alright. Just making sure you weren't having a platform problem.
17:24:09  <nathan7>Well, it *is* the platform nodejitsu runs on q=
17:24:23  <nathan7>I spent two days trying to make haibu play nicely a while ago
17:24:29  <nathan7>and then gave up and deleted it all
17:24:32  <nathan7>I regret that :(
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17:26:14  <Sly>:(
17:26:20  <Sly>brb. Fixing something for lunch.
17:27:25  <deoxxa>sly/lunch#31 - implementation undefined
17:28:30  <nathan7>hm
17:28:48  <nathan7>Meanwhile I'm trying to figure out how to stream a tar and remove the directory prefix
17:28:58  * nathan7checks out jitsu internals
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17:30:45  <nathan7>I'm trying to figure out how I should store my apps
17:30:56  <nathan7>I think I might just stick them into an npm-like thing
17:31:10  <nathan7>and either point haibu at the tar
17:31:31  <nathan7>or have it do its npm installation thing
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17:40:00  <Sly>Back.
17:40:34  <Sly>Why npm-like? Why not use npm?
17:41:16  <nathan7>Sly: Well, pretty much
17:41:23  <nathan7>Sly: the db format would be the same
17:42:26  <nathan7>Sly: I'd have another set of documents mapping subdomains to semantically versioned services
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17:43:59  <Sly>It's really up to you, man. There's plenty of ways you *could* do things.
17:44:05  <Sly>And everyone has their own way of doing things.
17:44:09  <nathan7>mhm
17:44:20  <nathan7>I'm just looking at nodejitsu and taking what I like
17:44:27  <nathan7>I'm writing a jitsu-y tool to use with this
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17:44:38  <Sly>Cool. :D
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17:45:01  <nathan7>yay, Daft Punk on the radio
17:45:56  <Sly>Daft Punk = win
17:46:00  * nathan7nods
17:46:15  <Sly>UPS shipping on Saturday would be an even bigger win..
17:46:20  <nathan7>heh
17:46:22  <Sly>Since my new phone is like.. 35 minutes away..
17:46:23  <Sly>>:O
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17:47:08  <cronopio>kuryaki1: is a pleasure!
17:47:16  <kuryaki1>cronopio: maybe after this we can give a look at some app we deploy on the kno3 and was having weird behaviors with websockets
17:47:47  <cronopio>kuryaki1: most of the problems are related to other transports different of websocket
17:48:49  <cronopio>kuryaki1: recheck setting transports just websockets, if problem persist we can dig more
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17:54:19  <cronopio>kuryaki1: https://gist.github.com/4140670
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17:56:53  <kuryaki1>cronopio: ok
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18:15:40  <nathan7>I need to see if I can overlay two npm registries
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18:16:02  <deoxxa>you can't
18:16:14  <deoxxa>replicate the official registry
18:16:14  <nathan7>Well, with some HTTP magic I could
18:16:21  <nathan7>deoxxa: I don't want to do that
18:16:32  <nathan7>I think if I just fail over on 404 basically
18:16:43  <nathan7>I can union two registries
18:17:05  <deoxxa>how do you plan to deal with writing to them?
18:17:12  <nathan7>Not.
18:17:24  <nathan7>Just writing to the right one.
18:17:33  <nathan7>I have a private registry with my apps
18:17:47  <nathan7>and overlay that uonto the public registry
18:18:15  <nathan7>then have haibu install my apps from the unioned readonly registry
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18:18:50  <nathan7>I just need to figure out how I'm gonna handle per-app config stuff
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18:19:16  <deoxxa>sounds a lot more complex than just replicating the official registry =3=
18:19:35  <nathan7>it saves me having 19G of data that I want to keep entirely in sync
18:19:50  <nathan7>and a few megs of completely independent data
18:20:00  <nathan7>indistinguishable
18:20:11  <nathan7>what do I do if I want to list all my apps? list the entire npm registry?
18:20:17  <deoxxa>maybe
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18:23:37  <nathan7>deoxxa: I want to have my apps in an npm registry, then have something that I tell { 'hello.nodeism.net': '[email protected]', 'unstable.hello.nodeism.net': '[email protected]' }
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23:13:12  <Cygnus_X>is anyone here familiar with this socket.io bug? https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io/issues/1019
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23:19:21  <turottttte>hi
23:19:56  <turottttte>i just got an email from openredis, that they will accept traffic only from AWS, i am wondering, is nodejitsu built upon aws ?
23:27:46  <Cygnus_X>it appears the admins are few tonight
23:28:39  <mmalecki>turottttte: no, we're on joyent
23:28:44  <mmalecki>Cygnus_X: no
23:30:21  <Cygnus_X>mmalecki: let me ask it this way as i am a bit of a newb. right now, i use a package.json file to set socket.io as a dependency, and through some jitsu magic, socket.io gets brought in for me. it appears the bug i've linked to has a patch, but it has not been applied yet to the latest socket.io release, and i'm looking for a way of doing it manually
23:30:54  <mmalecki>you can put in a git url
23:31:28  <Cygnus_X>so, do a pull request of socket.io, make the patch, and then use that url in the package.json file?
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23:36:47  <mmalecki>you can use a branch url
23:37:01  <mmalecki>which is <repo-url>#<branch-name>
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23:42:38  <st_luke>yo defunctzombie I think I'm gonna go see abraham lincoln or james bond later if you wanna join
23:42:54  <defunctzombie>st_luke: I would be down for lincoln
23:42:56  <defunctzombie>seen bond already
23:43:03  <defunctzombie>wait
23:43:21  <defunctzombie>which lincoln movie?
23:44:42  <defunctzombie>vampire hunter or http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0443272/ ?
23:44:49  <defunctzombie>ive seen vampire hunter
23:46:50  <Cygnus_X>i saw argo last night... it was very good
23:47:55  <defunctzombie>I am told argo is good
23:47:59  <defunctzombie>I would be tempted to see that
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