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00:15:37  <robmozart>The error seems to be different though “Error: Ready check failed: ERR operation not permitted”
00:16:07  <julianduque>robmozart: do you have the full log output? can yoy create a gist with that
00:16:20  <julianduque>s/yoy/you
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00:16:53  <robmozart>when i run jitsu logs i only get what i just wrote over and over again
00:17:51  <julianduque>robmozart: username and appname please, I will take a look
00:18:03  <robmozart>frode vizenityjs
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00:25:54  <julianduque>robmozart: I can confirm that IrisRedis is working (I was able to connect from a cli)
00:26:03  <julianduque>robmozart: still investigating what would be the cause
00:26:15  <robmozart>did you try to run a query in the cli?
00:26:30  <julianduque>robmozart: yes, ping, keys *
00:26:32  <robmozart>i tried that earlier today, i was able to connect at one point but could not do any query
00:26:35  <robmozart>i see
00:27:29  <julianduque>robmozart: I will try to replicate your connection, give me a moment
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00:30:30  <julianduque>robmozart: give me a sec :) trying to figure out whats happening
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00:32:28  <robmozart>julianduque: ok :)
00:32:43  <julianduque>robmozart: same code snippet works like a charm locally (using irisredis instance)
00:33:08  <julianduque>can I talk you on private?
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00:33:45  <Nodejitsu-Github>godot/moar-docs 25bebc6 Jarrett Cruger: [docs] add more primitives to README
00:33:45  <Nodejitsu-Github>godot/moar-docs 4ca26de Jarrett Cruger: [docs] add basic api docs for moving-average
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04:44:23  <harbhub>what is the latest version of node that you support?
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08:06:37  <booyaa|foo>v0.8
08:06:45  <booyaa|foo>v0.10 is in the works
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11:17:37  <desmondmorris>it looks like I have a node cron process that has gone rogue
11:25:02  <desmondmorris>I created a cronjob with the cron module. The job was set to run every minute while I was testing. I changed this to 10 minutes pushed my changes up to nodejitsu. The original job seems to continue to run every one minute. I have destroyed the app and recreated it. The job is still running. In fact, the logs from the old app are loading for the new app.
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12:01:08  <garacio>Hi all!
12:01:48  <garacio>is it possible to run grunt after deploy on nodejutsu?
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13:02:03  <booyaa|foo>garacio: what are you trying to do? did you add jitsu deploy as a grunt task?
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13:05:55  <garacio>no, i am already have an answer from support
13:06:37  <garacio>I have to use postinstall hook for this
13:10:12  <Siyfion>I'm trying to move my application onto the telefonica london server, but I'm getting an error:
13:10:33  <Siyfion> No free servers available.
13:11:24  <Siyfion>Could someone please take a look and push it through?
13:12:02  <julianduque>Siyfion: let me check, what kind of vm are you using? 256, 512 or 1gb?
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13:13:12  <Siyfion>standard
13:13:18  <Siyfion>julianduque: So 256?
13:13:33  <Siyfion>julianduque: and 2 drones
13:13:57  <julianduque>word, give me a moment
13:15:06  <Siyfion>julianduque: kk
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13:30:22  <julianduque>Siyfion: could you try again please?
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13:31:10  <Siyfion>julianduque: yup
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13:37:08  <Siyfion>julianduque: All fine...
13:37:15  <Siyfion>julianduque: So what caused that then!?
13:37:20  <julianduque>Siyfion: phew
13:37:42  <julianduque>Siyfion: our mistake, a typo in a config file :/
13:38:32  <Siyfion>julianduque: Ah okay ;)
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14:03:25  <harbhub>hey fellas
14:03:34  <harbhub>is there a reason that my server is constantly being restarted?
14:03:39  <harbhub>for harbhub.com
14:03:57  <Sly>harbhub: what's your username and application name?
14:04:10  <harbhub>harbhub harbhub
14:04:23  <harbhub>sly^
14:04:34  <harbhub>is it normal for it to restart a lot?
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14:05:33  <Sly>One sec.
14:05:47  <Sly>harbhub: https://gist.github.com/Southern/a4c062166234b264b3f9
14:05:49  <Sly>That's why it's restarting.
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14:06:40  <harbhub>line 71
14:06:45  <harbhub>i will look into that
14:07:04  <Sly>Well, that's where the error is being thrown at. The actual error is in /index.js at 174.
14:07:15  <Sly>at Command.RedisClient.do_auth.self.send_anyway [as callback] (/opt/haibu/apps/harbhub/harbhub/package/node_modules/redis/index.js:174:43)
14:07:18  <harbhub>oh snap
14:07:34  <harbhub>that is redis module
14:07:38  <harbhub>npm install redis
14:07:39  <harbhub>lol
14:07:51  <Sly>Oh, crap. I saw index.js and thought it was your's.
14:07:52  <harbhub>redis can't handle my app! heh or my app is messed up
14:07:53  <Sly>*yours
14:08:32  <Sly>Does the redis connection work at all?
14:08:37  <Sly>Or does it always crash?
14:09:01  <harbhub>let me show you the code
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14:09:27  <harbhub>https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e0746f70dc9091c340f4
14:09:33  <harbhub>secret gist :)
14:09:50  <Sly>You should delete that now.
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14:10:00  <Sly>It does have your pw in it.
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14:11:40  <harbhub>i don't mind
14:11:46  <harbhub>you can hack my db if you want
14:11:48  <harbhub>heh
14:12:01  <harbhub>since it is an auth issue
14:12:10  <harbhub>i need to know if i'm putting that in right/wrong
14:12:23  <Sly>Well, I mean... is there anything in that database? Because I'm not the only person that can see that gist.
14:12:38  <harbhub>everyone here and in the world, feel free to try stealing my db
14:12:41  <harbhub>nothing is in it
14:12:46  <harbhub>accept me testing redis lol
14:13:13  <Sly>Alright. As long as you know to switch to another database when you go into production.
14:13:28  <harbhub>redis.get('key', function(err, value) {);//value = 'value'
14:13:35  <harbhub>yes of course
14:13:38  <harbhub>this is my test db
14:13:52  <harbhub>i use hmset :)
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14:13:55  <harbhub>so sly
14:14:03  <harbhub>is the auth that i set up wrong in some way?
14:14:06  <harbhub>is redis glitchy?
14:14:08  <harbhub>is it node?
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14:15:44  <Sly>I'm looking into it right now. It seems like redis is closing the connection.
14:16:00  <harbhub>damn you redis
14:16:03  <harbhub>damn you!!!
14:16:31  <Sly>It's only saying the connection is closed when using -a to send the password, though.
14:16:45  <Sly>If I go through without -a and try AUTH, it gives operation not permitted.
14:16:57  <julianduque>Sly: ping JasonSmith
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14:17:05  <Sly>Working on it.
14:17:11  <JasonSmith>julianduque: pong
14:17:20  <julianduque>wow, that was fast
14:17:31  <JasonSmith>Yes I am like CouchDB itself
14:17:37  <JasonSmith>What's up?
14:17:49  <Sly>LOL.
14:17:52  <Sly>I was about to send you an email.
14:17:55  <Sly>I didn't think you would be awake.
14:18:05  <JasonSmith>just 9pm here
14:18:11  <harbhub>hey julian
14:18:15  * Slysucks with timezones.
14:18:17  <harbhub>it's 10am here
14:18:20  <julianduque>harbhub: hello :)
14:18:29  <julianduque>9am here, and I need to sleep :/
14:18:29  <JasonSmith>harbhub Yes you live far West
14:18:36  <julianduque>but sleep is for the WEAK
14:18:44  <harbhub>i live in the east part of the US
14:18:50  <Sly>LOL, julianduque.
14:18:55  <JasonSmith>Nodejitsu is based way out west, in New York City
14:19:05  <harbhub>since we are about 12 hours apart, i live just as far west of you as i do east of you o.0
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14:19:09  <JasonSmith>I like to visit but I always return home, back east
14:19:19  <Sly>JasonSmith: harbhub is having a problem with redis returning an auth error. (Reason for pinging you)
14:19:32  <harbhub>yep
14:19:34  <JasonSmith>harbhub: Are you using iris-redis or the standard redis client?
14:19:39  <harbhub>redis doesn't like me
14:19:41  <JasonSmith>One common problem is that the auth string needs your hostname prefix
14:19:46  <harbhub>npm install redis
14:19:58  <JasonSmith>harbhub: Can you replace it with iris-redis?
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14:20:00  <harbhub>https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e0746f70dc9091c340f4
14:20:00  <JasonSmith>it is 100% compatible
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14:20:15  <julianduque>JasonSmith: good advice, will use it in the future :D
14:20:16  <JasonSmith>However it will add the correct authentication string
14:20:23  <harbhub>iris-redis is the same syntax?
14:20:26  <JasonSmith>should rename to nj-redis
14:20:40  <`3rdEden>or 'correct-redis'
14:20:41  <JasonSmith>harbhub: Yes, it is a thin wrapper to nj-redis, but it will simply set your password correctly
14:20:44  <harbhub>no, you should rename it redis
14:20:46  <`3rdEden>so we can say, use the correct-redis
14:20:49  <julianduque>`3rdEden: ++
14:20:49  <harbhub>so people npm install redis get the good version
14:20:54  <JasonSmith>because the passwords are actually "nodejitsudb1234152354.redis.irstack.com" + ":" + your_secret
14:21:06  <harbhub>just name it redis lol
14:21:14  <JasonSmith>Frankly I am unhappy with the redis situation
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14:21:20  <harbhub>so am i lol
14:21:27  <JasonSmith>I am not sure if I regret my implementation but it is difficult
14:21:41  <harbhub>do you guys support mysql, redis, and mongodb?
14:21:47  <harbhub>i want all three on my server
14:21:47  <`3rdEden>I'll more then happy to rewrite the whole driver ;)
14:21:49  <harbhub>so i can play with them
14:21:52  <JasonSmith>anyway harbhub, the point is, your actual password must have the hostname prefix (and a colon) before the secret string
14:22:01  <harbhub>https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e0746f70dc9091c340f4
14:22:04  <harbhub>is this correctly done?
14:22:09  <harbhub>this is the buggy code^
14:22:29  <JasonSmith>harbhub: in line 4, you need + ":" + your password
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14:22:45  <JasonSmith>Where does the password come from? The process.env? /cc Sly julianduque
14:22:50  <harbhub>even just to create the client?
14:22:59  <JasonSmith>harbhub: sorry
14:23:01  <JasonSmith>I read it wrong
14:23:04  <harbhub>that is my real password lol
14:23:05  <JasonSmith>right, no :)
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14:23:06  <julianduque>JasonSmith: 2nd arg is the host :p
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14:23:50  <harbhub>var redisClient = redis.createClient(port, host);//right??
14:24:16  <harbhub>redisClient.auth(host:password);//right??
14:24:17  <JasonSmith>yes harbhub If that is your code then we have a different prob lem
14:24:21  <julianduque>harbhub: right
14:24:29  <harbhub>so that is my code and we have a different problem lol
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14:24:36  <harbhub>i think node likes to bug out
14:24:45  <Sly>https://gist.github.com/Southern/a4c062166234b264b3f9 < JasonSmith
14:24:52  <Sly>That's what it's throwing.
14:24:54  <harbhub>they need to make a v1.0.0 already so we have less bugs!
14:25:02  <lmjabreu>form the handbook: "Currently Nodejitsu runs node 0.6.x and 0.8.x." — is this still true?
14:25:19  <julianduque>lmjabreu: yes, still true
14:25:40  <lmjabreu>julianduque: alright, thanks =)
14:26:40  <harbhub>but i use node 0.10.10
14:26:40  <Fishrock123>harbhub: Genius!
14:26:58  <harbhub>lol fishrock
14:27:02  <harbhub>what is a fishrock?
14:27:12  <harbhub>oh, fish rock
14:27:21  <harbhub>brilliant!
14:28:02  <Fishrock123>... what is a harbhub? lol
14:28:10  <harbhub>Harbach Hub
14:28:15  <harbhub>shortened to harbhub
14:28:21  <JasonSmith>harbhub: Please try now
14:28:27  <JasonSmith>I think it will not work but I am watching it
14:28:27  <harbhub>try now how?
14:28:35  <JasonSmith>connect with Redis
14:28:37  <harbhub>i think i need to downgrade my node version...
14:28:56  <harbhub>okay let me redeploy
14:29:34  <julianduque>harbhub: if the code didn't changed you can do a `jitsu start` :)
14:30:09  <harbhub>error
14:30:11  <harbhub>no package found
14:30:13  <harbhub>o.0
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14:30:29  <harbhub>do i need to be in the right dir?
14:30:34  <julianduque>harbhub: of course :)
14:31:21  <harbhub>it restarted
14:31:27  <harbhub>i know because it emails me when it starts o.0
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14:32:08  <harbhub>is there a 'jitsu logs clear' command?
14:32:17  <harbhub>my logs get too long and i want to clear them sometimes
14:32:42  <AdamMagaluk>In a micro business plan how do I deploy each of the two drones in separate data centers?
14:34:43  <Sly>AdamMagaluk: unfortunately, there's no way to split up individual drones to different data centers.
14:34:51  <Sly>Not on the same application.
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14:40:41  <harbhub>hmm fellas
14:40:48  <harbhub>could the problem be that i keep the client open always?
14:40:55  <harbhub>am i suppose to open/close the redis client?
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16:30:29  <EricLeslie>What is the current version of jitsu? Its telling me its out of date. My installed copy is 1.2.25 and the version on the npm registry is 0.12.11
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16:32:36  <jcrugzz>EricLeslie: Could you go ahead and run an `npm install jitsu -g`. There has been no 1.2.25 yet that i know of
16:33:02  <EricLeslie>I have several times
16:33:20  <EricLeslie>that is the version reported from "npm -v jitsu"
16:33:40  <EricLeslie>jitsu --version reports 0.12.10-2
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16:34:31  <EricLeslie>Oh looks like the frist command just reports npm's version
16:34:47  <jcrugzz>EricLeslie: yea that just gives you the npm version. your PATH must not be correct then
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16:35:44  <jcrugzz>EricLeslie: could you run an `npm install jitsu -g` and gist me the output?
16:35:53  <EricLeslie>yes, one moment
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16:41:19  <EricLeslie>jccrugzz https://gist.github.com/ericleslie/5373206
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16:42:49  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] rackspace/pkgcloud#133 (storageMetadata - 48522de : Ken Perkins): The build passed.
16:42:49  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/rackspace/pkgcloud/compare/c0622877802b...48522de25181
16:42:49  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/rackspace/pkgcloud/builds/7882264
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16:43:57  <Behseini>Hi Sly, Thanks for replying me on StackOverflow (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16965979/node-js-and-socket-io-not-responding-in-some-servers)
16:44:05  <jcrugzz>EricLeslie: try an `npm cache clean` and run the command again. it doesnt look like it even did anything
16:44:18  <Behseini>Did you have any chance to check my reply?
16:44:49  <Sly>Hey, Behseini. I hadn't seen it until now.
16:44:57  <Sly>It sounds like you're having a proxy/firewall issue at work.
16:45:29  <Behseini>I think it is correct
16:45:49  <Behseini>Is that kind of setting which I can fix?
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16:46:31  <Behseini>I mean through my own computer?
16:46:36  <Sly>I don't know how your work's network is, but you would probably need to contact your IT department and ask if they're somehow blocking websockets to that address.
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16:47:07  <Sly>You could always try to run your connection through another proxy to "out proxy" their proxy.
16:47:12  <Sly>I.E., Tor
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16:47:39  <Sly>However, some Tor nodes could potentially have websockets blocked as well.
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16:48:40  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/rackspace/pkgcloud/compare/7953ed11d781...9fcfa6329eda
16:48:40  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/rackspace/pkgcloud/builds/7882420
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16:48:57  <EricLeslie>jcrugzz: I cleaned the cache and updated the gist. My terminal clipped off the beginning of the output.
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16:50:18  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/nodejitsu/pkgcloud/compare/7953ed11d781...9fcfa6329eda
16:50:18  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/nodejitsu/pkgcloud/builds/7882467
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16:50:21  <jcrugzz>EricLeslie: what does your jitsu -v say now?
16:50:40  <EricLeslie>jcrugzz still shows 0.12.10-2
16:51:07  <jcrugzz>EricLeslie: ok where here is where I am unfamiliar in how your PATH variable is setup on windows
16:51:25  <jcrugzz>because the package was installed C:\Users\Eric\AppData\Roaming\npm\node_modules\jitsu
16:51:34  <jcrugzz>but whether thats the correct place is another question
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16:53:12  <nathan7>Behseini: Did you try websockets over SSL?
16:53:21  <EricLeslie>That must be the problem, I can manually delete jitsu from that location and jitsu --version still returns the older version
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16:53:25  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/rackspace/pkgcloud/compare/ceeb24973a3e...756ac6745219
16:53:25  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/rackspace/pkgcloud/builds/7882580
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16:53:27  <EricLeslie>Let me dig around and see what I can find
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16:54:03  <jcrugzz>EricLeslie: ok cool :)
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16:57:40  <kenperkins>jcrugzz: hoping to resubmit CDN PR today
16:58:25  <jcrugzz>kenperkins: good stuff :)
16:58:28  <jcrugzz>kenperkins++
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20:20:20  <harbhub>hey fellas
20:20:24  <harbhub>can i use cluster with a single drone?
20:20:31  <harbhub>and just play with the multiple cpus?
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20:27:36  <nathan7>harbhub: it's not terribly *useful*
20:27:47  <nathan7>harbhub: You have half a core allocated to you
20:28:03  <harbhub>oh
20:28:06  <jcrugzz>harbhub: yea not recommended.
20:28:16  <harbhub>can cluster split up a half core into pieces?
20:29:23  <mmalecki>OS scheduller can do that but it's terribly ineffective
20:29:59  <harbhub>so cluster is usually to allocate resources to multiple cpus?
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20:35:21  <rossk>yes harbhub
20:35:48  <rossk>i.e. our production systems are full-up ubuntu machines with multiple-CPUs
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20:36:25  <rossk>we use cluster to make use of multiple CPUs within a single node app
20:36:36  <harbhub>cool
20:36:37  <harbhub>but
20:36:44  <harbhub>cluster is not stable nor is it locked in the nodejs api
20:36:48  <harbhub>do you fear this?
20:37:03  <harbhub>sorry, i guess it is stable
20:37:10  <harbhub>but i read the docs on it and it seems experimental
20:37:43  <harbhub>Cluster# Stability: 1 - Experimental
20:38:02  <harbhub>what will you guys do it cluster is not included in node v1?
20:38:56  <rossk>we expect cluster will continue to be around
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20:39:31  <rossk>and that stability market is for 0.10 I believe
20:39:44  <rossk>our production is still back on node 0.6
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20:42:52  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/rackspace/pkgcloud/compare/9fcfa6329eda...1bc72a7feaa3
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20:43:13  <kenperkins>rossk: you'll want to look at that commit
20:43:25  <rossk>kenperkins, reading
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20:44:29  <rossk>kenperkins, looks like a reasonable check
20:44:46  <kenperkins>yea not a lot I can do if body is null or not what we expect
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20:44:53  <rossk>mhmm
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20:45:02  <harbhub>you guys are awesome
20:45:07  <harbhub>just throwing that out there :)
20:45:09  <rossk>now this is just for files -- so you'll eventually get around to do this for the rest of the calls
20:45:12  <rossk>?
20:45:21  <kenperkins>yep that'll be another commit
20:45:33  <rossk>makes complete sense to me ken
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20:46:05  <rossk>and I think its up to the app developer to handle bugs within each response
20:46:17  <rossk>pkgcloud can't verify everything :D
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20:47:04  <rossk>harbhub -- I'm just another node user
20:47:14  <rossk>i mostly hang out here because that's kenperkins hides here
20:47:29  <rossk>and he's a rax-er
20:47:39  <rossk>but generally awesome OSS guy
20:47:41  <jcrugzz>yea kenperkins has been tearing it up with pkgcloud :D
20:48:32  <julianduque>kenperkins is an OSS hero
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20:49:13  <rossk>which reminds me -- kenperkins, I'll be in Seattle @ SeriousPlay Aug 19-22. Can I buy you a beer while I'm in town?
20:49:21  <kenperkins>is water wet
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20:49:45  <rossk>great! I'll email you once my speaking schedule is ironed out
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20:55:38  <harbhub>what is OSS?
20:56:34  <julianduque>Open Source Software
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20:57:21  <aeosynth>node 0.10 when?
20:57:47  <julianduque>aeosynth: don't have an official ETA, maybe mmalecki has an approximate
20:59:03  <jcrugzz>aeosynth: just keep a lookout. you will know it when its all ready :)
21:00:06  <harbhub>open source software is the right path
21:00:09  <harbhub>it is the best
21:00:24  <harbhub>when i become filthy, disgustingly wealthy
21:00:32  <harbhub>i will write so much open source code you will love me
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21:00:39  <harbhub>for now i will work and write what i can :)
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21:02:30  <julianduque>harbhub: and contribute to existing projects :)
21:02:53  <harbhub>yes!
21:03:23  <harbhub>i one day want to make a website/app that does everything, all secure, all open source, and i will have a privacy policy so no one's data will ever leak (with exceptions)
21:03:31  <harbhub>exceptions for bad people
21:03:59  <harbhub>freeEngineeringSolutions.com
21:04:02  <harbhub>that will be the site heh
21:04:41  <mmalecki>lol
21:05:04  <kenperkins>so not work appropriate, but lol: http://i.imgur.com/L87Tvs0.jpg
21:05:21  <harbhub>lol
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21:24:04  <harbhub>hey fellas
21:24:12  <harbhub>i can send myself emails with my server, great
21:24:24  <harbhub>my question is, how can i detect if someone is trying to hack my application?
21:24:42  <harbhub>if i can detect when someone tries tampering with my dbs, private files, etc
21:24:48  <harbhub>then i can email myself to know instantly
21:24:52  <harbhub>and i can handle the problem
21:25:02  <harbhub>so, how would i know if someone is trying to hack me?
21:26:01  <jcrugzz>harbhub: this is not likely. your server is an internal joyent server with no public IP
21:28:55  <harbhub>hmm
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21:33:27  <spamhammer>nodejitsu noob here. I just had a question about the Apps dashboard. When I click on the name of my app, I get a 502 Socket hung up error. Is this something to do with my app or is there a different problem?
21:33:51  <harbhub>i had that error yesterday
21:33:58  <harbhub>it was... my app code lol
21:34:07  <julianduque>harbhub: but you can do some sanity input in your forms and check for xss attemps, but, isn't easy
21:34:10  <harbhub>can you post your server code in a gist?
21:34:18  <jcrugzz>spamhammer: what is your username/appname?
21:34:30  <harbhub>julian, you mean client side detection?
21:34:33  <spamhammer>username: spamhammer app: kroenen
21:34:40  <harbhub>because client side detection is a pointless
21:34:49  <spamhammer>I just want to delete the app since I'm learning, but I can't get to the controls
21:34:55  <harbhub>lol funny name, spamhammer
21:34:58  <spamhammer>heh
21:35:12  <harbhub>you are gonna make a spam email server, aren't you?
21:35:39  <spamhammer>I realize now that's not a great online introduction :)
21:36:19  <spamhammer>I think spamhammer is what we would call one of the guns in COD
21:36:21  <jcrugzz>spamhammer: command line should do the job. want me to delete it for you? i believe i know what the issue is
21:36:26  <julianduque>harbhub: client side and backend too, but, IMHO thats kind of overengineering
21:36:53  <spamhammer>ah, I didn't know you could do it from there? What's the command? teach a man to fish, and all that
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21:37:26  <harbhub>i want to use backend for xss attempts
21:37:30  <harbhub>what is an xss attempt?
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21:37:50  <julianduque>XSS == Cross Site Scripting
21:37:58  <harbhub>ah cross site scripting
21:38:04  <jcrugzz>spamhammer: https://www.nodejitsu.com/documentation/jitsu/apps/#destroy
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21:38:38  <spamhammer>fantastic! thanks
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21:40:49  <harbhub>julian and friends, how do i securely use cookies for user auth?
21:41:12  <harbhub>my idea is that an attacker can: get the cookie, send the cookie, be authorized
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21:41:26  <harbhub>thus making cookies seem insecure
21:42:22  <julianduque>nah, just use cookies to store a session id and save the sensitive data in the server, or you can use a lib for that, like passport
21:42:26  <jcrugzz>spamhammer: np :)
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21:44:34  <harbhub>julian, i don't get it, if i just store a session then the user won't be auto-logged in when they come to my site
21:44:42  <harbhub>since the session would expire by the next time they visit
21:45:13  <julianduque>harbhub: you can define expire date in the cookie
21:45:29  <harbhub>right, but i need an authentication cookie, too
21:45:31  <harbhub>i need both
21:45:43  <harbhub>one to auth, one for the session
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21:47:10  <jcrugzz>harbhub: you store the actual session in something like redis. the cookie references an ID in that redis to validate that session iirc. havent done web app things in a little while
21:47:27  <julianduque>jcrugzz: yes, that is the best approach :)
21:47:35  <julianduque>harbhub: you don't need two cookies
21:47:51  <harbhub>just that?
21:47:54  <harbhub>seems really basic
21:48:01  <harbhub>what about users with multiple devices?
21:48:07  <harbhub>just have multiple sessions?
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21:48:17  <harbhub>what is someone gets the session id
21:48:23  <harbhub>and is proxied in the user's network?
21:48:31  <harbhub>then uses that session to pretend to be the user?
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21:48:36  <julianduque>harbhub: well, you need to figured out how to handle that :)
21:49:52  <harbhub>heh
21:50:00  <jcrugzz>harbhub: this is why security is currently a joke in general. id just use something like https://npmjs.org/package/persona-id and use redis instead of an in memory session
21:50:02  <harbhub>don't see how i possibly can handle that
21:50:14  <jcrugzz>thats your best bet
21:50:39  <harbhub>it's funny that I, someone who never hacked, is able to think of all these security holes lol
21:50:46  <harbhub>am*
21:51:36  <harbhub>i mean i can make my own code for setting cookies
21:51:41  <harbhub>don't need a module for that lol
21:52:01  <harbhub>document.cookie = 'sid=lkasdfAZSD43128';
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21:52:09  <jcrugzz>harbhub: what i linked uses mozilla persona
21:52:12  <harbhub>then read the cookie header on the server lol
21:52:23  <harbhub>also, send a cookie to the client when they log in
21:52:25  <harbhub>pretty simple
21:52:35  <harbhub>what is mozilla persona?
21:52:39  <harbhub>does it work in chrome?
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21:52:44  <jcrugzz>check out the link
21:53:04  <jcrugzz>yes
21:53:05  <harbhub>i'm taking the tour lol
21:54:15  <harbhub>not sure i like this persona thing
21:54:58  <harbhub>seems like i could just not use it, do the ssl and store cookies, and yeah i guess people could still do what i said and get the cookie & ip address in network and hack the account
21:55:11  <harbhub>persona doesn't explain anything
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21:55:16  <harbhub>it just says "it is safe"
21:55:17  <harbhub>lol
21:57:01  <jcrugzz>harbhub: persona is just an easy to use login mechanism that is as secure as any your email's security
21:57:17  <jcrugzz>remove the any from that
21:57:58  <harbhub>ok
22:00:46  <harbhub>jitsu deploy isn't working, it gets stuck
22:01:22  <harbhub>https://gist.github.com/anonymous/95c2700e6081a6ff80c3
22:01:31  <harbhub>just hangs there
22:02:13  <harbhub>username/app = harbhub/harbhub
22:02:15  <julianduque>harbhub: that gist just shows a successful deploy
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22:02:29  <harbhub>nope, it gets to the OK then hangs
22:02:48  <harbhub>normally it ends after that, for some reason it just hangs there
22:02:52  <harbhub>like it wants to do something lol
22:03:02  <julianduque>harbhub: so check your logs, app is crashing
22:03:21  <harbhub>checking
22:03:35  <harbhub>oh i see
22:04:25  <harbhub>i copy/pasted some code from one server into this server, and they had different syntax lol
22:04:35  <harbhub>one used req, res and the other used request, response
22:04:35  <harbhub>lol
22:07:01  <jcrugzz>harbhub: hah, that will happen
22:07:10  <jcrugzz>unless you are consistent of course :p
22:08:01  <harbhub>heh
22:08:07  <harbhub>on a not funny note: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/07/deric-lostutter-raid-kyanonymous-steubenville_n_3403000.html
22:08:19  <harbhub>read and tell me what your thoughts are
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22:11:26  <harbhub>is there a way to clear the jitsu logs?
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22:12:11  <julianduque>harbhub: no
22:12:28  <harbhub>do you think i should request the feature?
22:12:36  <julianduque>you can do it :)
22:12:44  <harbhub>will do :)
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22:14:27  <jcrugzz>i think huffington post is a terrible media outlet :p. but thats unfortunate but expected i suppose
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22:16:10  <julianduque>yea, I wrote about that before... `Anonymous, not really anonymous` (in spanish) http://todoloquehay.com/2011/anonymous-ni-tan-anonimos/
22:17:49  <harbhub>lol well they are shitty hackers
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22:18:11  <harbhub>anyone that thinks DoS makes you a hacker is not a hacker heh
22:18:28  <jcrugzz>harbhub: well anonymous is not an organization, its an idea
22:18:37  <harbhub>what is the idea?
22:18:49  <jcrugzz>anyone can affiliate themselves for the cause and do what they can. most are not hackers
22:18:59  <harbhub>i like that they hacked to get the info to get the rapers arrested, that is good work on the part of the anonymous 'idea'
22:19:14  <harbhub>ok i see what you're saying
22:20:46  <jcrugzz>harbhub: if you are interested id check out the documentary http://wearelegionthedocumentary.com/
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22:22:28  <harbhub>well
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22:24:05  <harbhub>hey guys
22:24:10  <harbhub>you false advertise
22:24:19  <jcrugzz>?
22:24:22  <harbhub>you say nodejitsu is the simplest, most reliable nodejs blah blah blah
22:24:34  <harbhub>how can you possibly claim such absolutes!?
22:25:12  <harbhub>looks like a bad commercial "best movie of the year!"
22:25:13  <harbhub>heh
22:25:19  <harbhub>seems subjective
22:25:20  <jcrugzz>you create what you believe
22:25:31  <harbhub>ah good point
22:25:57  <julianduque>and if you see out there, is the simplest and reliable node.js paas out there, we are not lying :p
22:26:19  <julianduque>well, you should try others and compare if you want :)
22:26:22  <harbhub>heh
22:26:26  <harbhub>i like how smart you guys are
22:26:33  <harbhub>and how you think
22:26:54  <harbhub>well the simplest most reliable will be the day i can buy my own servers
22:27:13  <harbhub>*hopefully*
22:27:28  <harbhub>hmm thinking about it, you guys will still be better since your team is massive
22:27:47  <harbhub>i watched the trailer from that link
22:28:07  <julianduque>harbhub: I own a couple of servers, and believe, is not even simpler :p
22:28:56  <harbhub>yep heh
22:29:01  <harbhub>i realized that after i said my first statement
22:29:36  <harbhub>julian, what got you into programming?
22:29:40  <harbhub>how did you first start out?
22:29:54  <julianduque>but, it's very good if you want to learn about servers
22:30:06  <harbhub>yep, i will buy two some day
22:30:11  <harbhub>so i can learn about load balancing
22:30:17  <harbhub>and so i can attack one server heh
22:30:31  <harbhub>Server Warz
22:30:34  <julianduque>harbhub: a friend of mine showed me Pascal, when I was 13
22:31:15  <julianduque>and my father was a programmer (Cobol - PL/I)
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22:32:30  <julianduque>I remember turbo pascal on windows 95
22:33:33  <julianduque>then I tried to learn C when using linux back in `97 with no success, then I tried web dev with php, mysql and javascript (prototype / scriptaculous)
22:34:52  <julianduque>harbhub: and you?
22:35:22  <harbhub>cool
22:35:25  * anoemiquit (Quit: anoemi)
22:35:34  <harbhub>i learned in college from some engineering courses
22:35:46  <harbhub>then when i graduated i played with Drupal
22:35:50  <harbhub>and saw the power of it
22:35:58  <harbhub>then i realized i didn't know shit and started learning
22:36:05  <harbhub>luckily i chose to learn javascript first
22:36:11  <harbhub>i am happy about that because i love js
22:36:12  <harbhub>:)
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22:37:24  <nodejitsu-github>composer-systems/master a42b10c Maciej Małecki: [fix] Use proper templating syntax
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22:37:37  <julianduque>on my past job I was using Java, Ruby and Objective-C
22:37:37  <julianduque>then I met Node.js and loved it at first sight <3
22:38:22  <harbhub>same about loving nodejs
22:38:30  <harbhub>i played with objective c and it is ugly
22:38:37  <harbhub>harbhub/harbhub
22:38:40  <harbhub>still having issues
22:38:43  <harbhub>i think i broke the drone lol
22:38:58  <harbhub>the app works
22:39:01  <harbhub>but jitsu logs
22:39:04  <harbhub>returns some bogusness
22:39:15  <harbhub>https://harbhub.jit.su/
22:39:16  <julianduque>what do you mean by bogusness?
22:39:24  <harbhub>this works lol yet jitsu logs isn't working
22:40:48  <julianduque>harbhub: logs are working as expected, give it some time to load :)
22:41:09  <julianduque>harbhub: we are using a third party service (loggly) but we will switch to our own logging solution soon :)
22:41:55  <harbhub>ok
22:42:10  <harbhub>yeah i don't think anyone is happy with jitsu logs
22:42:16  <harbhub>people want to tail the logs
22:42:21  <harbhub>i want to delete them lol
22:42:33  <julianduque>harbhub: we are improving that :)
22:42:57  <harbhub>live following of the app logs shouldn't be hard, just tell the user: if you want to do this, then we will consume some of your drone's ram to do so
22:43:00  <harbhub>simple.
22:43:33  <harbhub>i know you guys record these chats, so when you implement my solution give me some credit :) hhehehehe
22:44:49  <julianduque>haha word, will do ! :)
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22:45:27  <harbhub>julian, so my solution you guys can definitely do
22:45:38  <harbhub>since you already can send shit to my console live and quickly
22:45:57  <harbhub>just use my own server ram to send that to me, so you have no overhead and if users want the feature they can use their ram to have it
22:46:05  <harbhub>sounds brilliant, simple, and reliable :)
22:46:24  <harbhub>oh, make sure they add a 'delete logs' feature, please!
22:47:24  <jcrugzz>harbhub: its not quite that simple, but we have been working on a solution :)
22:48:09  <harbhub>how is it not that simple? you make a file on my server called "logs"
22:48:11  <harbhub>and you read that file
22:48:13  <harbhub>hmm
22:48:17  <harbhub>i guess it isn't so simple heh
22:48:26  <harbhub>again, the more i think about it the more i realize lol
22:49:01  <harbhub>you guys heard of clourflare?
22:49:05  <harbhub>cloudflare*
22:50:05  <julianduque>harbhub: is not a RAM issue, but thanks :), also make sure you are sending the feature requests to nodejitsu.uservoice.com or using github issues in nodejitsu/jitsu repo :)
22:50:34  <nathan7>well, for one, there's no "your server"
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22:51:03  <harbhub>nathan you know what i meant, i meant the ram allocated to my drone
22:51:04  <harbhub>heh
22:51:15  <harbhub>but since it isn't a ram issue, it is not relevant lol
22:51:29  <nathan7>it might be on any of thousands of machines
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22:53:23  <harbhub>thousands...!?!?!
22:53:37  <harbhub>nodejitsu has thousands of machines?
22:53:43  <julianduque>yup
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22:53:56  <mmalecki>around ~4000 at this point
22:54:01  <harbhub>so console.log
22:54:03  <harbhub>where does it go?
22:54:09  <julianduque>harbhub: to loggly
22:54:09  <harbhub>console.log('server starting')
22:54:12  <harbhub>where does that go?
22:54:22  <harbhub>well, before it goes to loggly?
22:54:28  <mmalecki>haibu
22:54:37  <harbhub>you are controlling it to go to loggly, right?
22:54:45  <mmalecki>well, technically haibu-carapace and then haibu
22:54:46  <harbhub>can't you control it to go to a file on my server?
22:54:53  <mmalecki>we could
22:55:01  <harbhub>and then read stream that file content to my console when i 'jitsu logs'?
22:55:02  <mmalecki>but I see no point in that :-)
22:55:10  <harbhub>i see a point
22:55:17  <harbhub>it let's me live stream the data
22:55:23  <harbhub>so you add a watcher to the file
22:55:28  <harbhub>so i can live trail the thing
22:55:40  <harbhub>and just append the current byte position and the last byte position
22:55:41  <mmalecki>oh, just wait until we release the refactor
22:55:45  <mmalecki>I'm coding a C thing
22:55:47  <harbhub>so you know which data from file to read and send to me
22:55:53  <harbhub>as i real-time follow my logs
22:55:53  <mmalecki>don't worry, we've got this :-)
22:56:02  <harbhub>ok
22:56:03  <harbhub>:)
22:56:06  <harbhub>just trying to help :)
22:56:22  <harbhub>are my ideas ridiculous? or am i becoming a competent programmer?
22:56:42  <harbhub>anyone have a pdf of K&R book on C?
22:56:52  <harbhub>i need that book, i heard it's the best way to learn C
22:57:38  <julianduque>harbhub: lcthw
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22:57:56  <julianduque>harbhub: 1344191003636,
22:58:05  <julianduque>hmm linux copy pasta sucks
22:58:14  <harbhub>the C learning module is still in alpha
22:58:16  <julianduque>well, not linux, tmux
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22:58:20  <harbhub>not sure i want to learn from an alpha module
22:58:24  <julianduque>http://c.learncodethehardway.org/
22:58:28  <julianduque>alpha isn't that bad :)
22:58:48  <julianduque>also, the best way of learning isn't reading books, it's coding!
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22:59:03  <harbhub>well i disagree lol
22:59:07  <harbhub>i read and apply
22:59:14  <harbhub>i apply until i break the code
22:59:17  <harbhub>then i fix it
22:59:19  <harbhub>and learn
22:59:21  <harbhub>then i read more
22:59:26  <harbhub>and learn new ways to do the same thing
22:59:37  <harbhub>and learn new things and i read how other people solve the problems
22:59:49  <julianduque>harbhub: choose an application you want to write in C, put you some goals and begin to code, THEN read :)
23:00:10  <harbhub>well
23:00:12  <julianduque>a purpose is needed, well, that works for me :)
23:00:15  <harbhub>i want to add 4 to 2
23:00:18  <harbhub>and print that
23:00:25  <harbhub>simple, so where do i begin?
23:00:46  <harbhub>i want to add two numbers and print the result in C
23:00:49  <julianduque>harbhub: you have a purpose, so you find docs to achieve that :)
23:00:53  <harbhub>firstly, i have javascript console
23:00:56  <harbhub>where do i get a C console?
23:01:21  <julianduque>harbhub: you need a C compiler
23:01:26  <harbhub>where do i get that?
23:01:36  <harbhub>do i call my file: test.c?
23:02:07  <julianduque>harbhub: if you use *nix -> gcc, on windows.. well, don't really know, not a windows user :p
23:02:34  <harbhub>lol
23:02:36  <harbhub>windows sucks
23:02:42  <harbhub>is there an online compiler?
23:02:45  <harbhub>a free one?
23:03:44  <julianduque>yes, i think so, let me check
23:04:46  <julianduque>harbhub: http://ideone.com/Y9cLRS
23:05:10  <julianduque>ideone is awesome <3
23:05:28  <harbhub>why did you return 0?
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23:06:03  <julianduque>it's an exit code, but, i don't remember if thats the reason, mmalecki can confirm, i don't know C :p
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23:06:50  <harbhub>heh lol
23:06:58  <harbhub>well it looks simple enough, don't see why i couldn't learn it
23:07:04  <mmalecki>it's the exit code, yeah
23:07:17  <julianduque>oh I remembered :)
23:07:41  <harbhub>heh
23:07:56  <harbhub>so yeah if i get the C book by K&R
23:08:01  <harbhub>is that how you learned mmalecki?
23:08:07  <harbhub>from C by K&R?
23:08:37  <mmalecki>no
23:08:42  <mmalecki>I learned by writing code
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23:08:51  <harbhub>like a boss
23:09:09  <julianduque>harbhub: see :p
23:09:21  <harbhub>julian, we all learn differently
23:09:37  <julianduque>Yes, thats true :)
23:09:40  <jcrugzz>tis the truth
23:09:47  <harbhub>one big problem with education systems is standardization, which fails to recognize this critical point :)
23:10:10  <harbhub>:( at poor education system, happy face that we are aware of the flaw and can one day fix it
23:10:19  <julianduque>oh, I want to get back to C, C is awesome, and aeternum would be a good project to hack
23:10:29  <harbhub>C seems pretty epic
23:10:33  <mmalecki>harbhub: I dropped out of high school for that exact reason
23:10:35  <harbhub>i want to learn: machine code
23:10:35  <harbhub>lmao
23:10:38  <mmalecki>well, I also had a job
23:10:55  <julianduque>I studied telecommunications, not computer science or programming :p
23:10:57  <mmalecki>but if I could learn anything, I'd probably stay
23:11:08  <harbhub>i studied civil engineering and environmental engineering
23:11:17  <julianduque>harbhub: awesome :)
23:11:21  <harbhub>:)
23:11:53  <rossk>i studied electrical and computer engineering
23:11:55  <julianduque>harbhub: my brother in law and best friend is an environmental engineer :)
23:12:09  <harbhub>bosses all of you!
23:12:16  <rossk>which included everything from EE to low-level C/Microcontroller, all the way up to networks/OS
23:12:22  <harbhub>rossk, thevinen circuits!
23:12:22  <julianduque>rossk: I know very good programmers who studied electrical and electronics engineering
23:12:38  <rossk>i picked up my fair share of CS courses
23:12:51  <rossk>I went to Carnegie Mellon --> no sleep for 4 years
23:12:59  <harbhub>rossk you know about thevenin method, right?
23:13:16  <rossk>ugh, yes
23:13:27  <harbhub>heh
23:13:30  <julianduque>I remember that
23:13:33  <julianduque>circuits!
23:13:37  <harbhub>i took circuit analysis course with an amazing professor
23:13:40  <harbhub>learned a lot
23:13:49  <harbhub>circuits!!!!!!!
23:13:51  <harbhub>hey guys
23:13:56  <harbhub>take a volt source
23:13:59  <harbhub>and a wire
23:14:07  <harbhub>and attach the wire to the volt source
23:14:12  <harbhub>it will...evaporate
23:14:22  <harbhub>don't do it
23:14:42  <mmalecki>there is no such thing as 'volt source', btw
23:14:53  <harbhub>what you mean?
23:14:59  <harbhub>there are voltage sources, current sources
23:15:05  <harbhub>let's ask rossk
23:15:22  <mmalecki>volt is a unit
23:15:27  <harbhub>capacitors are pretty damn epic, with flux!
23:15:30  <julianduque>but DC or AC?, if it's dc is ok, if it's ac you will have some fun :p
23:15:35  <rossk>mmalecki is right
23:15:42  <harbhub>so a battery
23:15:43  <rossk>you have power-sources
23:15:46  <harbhub>is not a voltage source?
23:15:59  <harbhub>when we calculated circuits, it mattered the power source
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23:16:09  <harbhub>some we called current source and some we called voltage source
23:16:17  <harbhub>and it matters with Thevenin analysis
23:16:19  <rossk>Power = voltage * current
23:16:35  <rossk>so you can analyze a circuit in a number of ways
23:16:36  <harbhub>there are diff types of power sources, right?
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23:17:02  <harbhub>i like the classical loop method the best
23:17:13  <harbhub>sum of the loop = 0
23:17:41  <harbhub>hey rossk, why isn't your name @rossk?
23:17:55  <rossk>@rosskukulinski
23:18:39  <harbhub>heh
23:19:28  <rossk>I like to keep a low profile on _some_ IRC channels :D
23:19:49  <harbhub>lol
23:20:20  <rossk>and with that -- I'm off to rework some Angular code then follow up on some sales leads
23:20:24  <rossk>nice chatting
23:21:01  <harbhub>sales leads?
23:21:03  <mmalecki>have fun, rossk
23:21:07  <harbhub>later rossk
23:21:16  <julianduque>rossk: cya o/
23:21:29  <rossk>have a great weekend everyone
23:21:32  <harbhub>do you guys know what sales leads means? is it for nodejitsu or personal?
23:21:38  <harbhub>you too
23:21:38  <rossk>don't forget to watch USAvJAM
23:21:54  <harbhub>i already forgot, i will be watching Heat v Spurs heh
23:22:08  <rossk>sales leads for http://hearvoisus.com
23:22:31  <rossk>I work with a company called ASTi: http://www.asti-usa.com/
23:22:36  <julianduque>I'm watching Colombia vs Argentina, and messi is playing :/
23:22:45  <julianduque>we need to win that match
23:22:47  <harbhub>i thought you work for nodejitsu
23:22:53  <jcrugzz>you too rossk!
23:22:54  <rossk>nope -- just hang out herre
23:23:24  <harbhub>wordddd
23:26:15  <harbhub>fellas one last thing then i'll be off for a while
23:26:20  <harbhub>if i make a web app
23:26:26  <harbhub>and we start getting users
23:26:31  <harbhub>how does the scaling process work?
23:26:43  <harbhub>i just order more drones, deploy to said drones, and load balancers handle the rest?
23:27:07  <harbhub>and i can literally scale an app that works on one drone (assuming i use redis mongodb sql remotely)
23:27:19  <julianduque>harbhub: exactly
23:27:31  <harbhub>ok because my friend wants me to make him something
23:27:32  <julianduque>harbhub: you can scale up to 3 drones on an individual account
23:27:55  <julianduque>(3 drones per app)
23:28:08  <harbhub>how do i know you guys won't jack the price up on me like you already did?
23:28:16  <harbhub>if i go with you guys, i kinda need to know the pricing
23:28:23  <harbhub>because it will be a business, and this will be a cost
23:29:28  <harbhub>what i mean is, the business model will have this as our main cost, and since we will be relatively small, we can't afford to have a 5x price leap like you did to me
23:29:40  <julianduque>harbhub: we already changed the price so it will take time for another price change, so you will be good :)
23:29:42  <harbhub>the main cost will be the servers is what i mean
23:30:36  <harbhub>ok
23:30:38  <harbhub>last thing is
23:30:43  <harbhub>i have 3 drone indiv plan right no
23:30:45  <harbhub>now*
23:30:49  <harbhub>i want to downgrade to 1 drone
23:30:55  <harbhub>the business will be separate account entirely
23:30:58  <harbhub>but for me personally
23:31:04  <harbhub>i can't pay 30 a month or w/e it is
23:31:04  <harbhub>so
23:31:15  <harbhub>i already payed for the month and if i downgrade
23:31:24  <harbhub>it immediately loses the 3 drones to 1 drone
23:31:47  <harbhub>but i payed for a month of 3, shouldn't your system just downgrade it after the paid month is up?
23:31:58  <julianduque>harbhub: wait at the end of your billing period, let me see the exact date :)
23:32:35  <harbhub>ok, just have this chat recorded so on the record i said i want to wait to the end of this period then immediately switch to 1 drone
23:32:55  <harbhub>05/16/2013 - 06/16/2013 05/16/2013 05:07PM EDT $7.00
23:33:00  <harbhub>that was when i paid last
23:33:48  <harbhub>have 9 more days
23:33:51  <harbhub>well time to run
23:33:52  <julianduque>harbhub: Next Billing 06/16/2013 04:54PM EDT
23:33:55  <harbhub>ciao fellas
23:33:57  <harbhub>yep
23:34:00  <julianduque>ciao o/
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23:34:27  <jcrugzz>adios
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