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| <mikeal> | SubStack: crazy bug |
| 00:50:53
| <mikeal> | a process that is definitely down |
| 00:50:58
| <mikeal> | is still in seaport |
| 00:51:36
| <SubStack> | hmmm |
| 00:51:47
| <mikeal> | fleet doesn't have it anymore |
| 00:52:04
| <mikeal> | and ps on the server shows that fleet is right, |
| 00:52:10
| <mikeal> | it's pretty crazy |
| 00:52:20
| <SubStack> | could be an upnode bug? |
| 00:52:35
| <SubStack> | oh! |
| 00:52:52
| <SubStack> | maybe because the pings are only one-way right now |
| 00:53:04
| <SubStack> | the clients are pinging the hub continuously |
| 00:53:07
| <mikeal> | but the connection has to be gone |
| 00:53:17
| <SubStack> | but the hub isn't pinging the clients to clean up necessarily |
| 00:53:20
| <mikeal> | we you don't remove them on disconnect |
| 00:53:34
| <mikeal> | er why |
| 00:53:49
| <SubStack> | disconnect events don't always fire |
| 00:53:55
| <SubStack> | even if the socket is completely dead |
| 00:54:38
| <mikeal> | wow, crazy |
| 00:54:49
| <SubStack> | I've run into this problem before |
| 00:55:03
| <SubStack> | the solution is to ping and forcibly destroy connections that don't respond |
| 00:55:17
| <mikeal> | right |
| 00:55:27
| <mikeal> | i also need an api in seaport to remove an entry |
| 00:55:43
| <SubStack> | .free() |
| 00:56:08
| <mikeal> | i see |
| 00:56:14
| <mikeal> | that will remove it |
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| <dominictarr> | by javascript source control system is now self hosting |
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| <dominictarr> | https://github.com/dominictarr/snob |
| 01:56:56
| <dominictarr> | hey substack, can i make a pull request request? |
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| <SubStack> | beep? |
| 02:12:21
| <SubStack> | looking |
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| <SubStack> | dominictarr: the http server part? |
| 02:14:00
| <dominictarr> | readme art! |
| 02:15:50
| <SubStack> | oh! |
| 02:16:03
| <SubStack> | I can certainly do one of those |
| 02:16:33
| <dominictarr> | that would be awesome. |
| 02:17:09
| <dominictarr> | I'll do the http server part... this joke is gonna go all the way... |
| 02:19:05
| <dominictarr> | but then I'm gonna take what I learnt about DVCS and make a data layer abstraction with it. |
| 02:19:17
| <dominictarr> | or in other words... a p2p database |
| 02:20:39
| <SubStack> | a p2p database with patch history? |
| 02:20:40
| <SubStack> | oh sweet |
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| <SubStack> | one annoying thing about couch is that it stores the whole document so it's not so great for continuous streams of tiny updates |
| 02:21:57
| <SubStack> | you should ping isaacs about this crazy stuff, he has some neat ideas about gossip protocols |
| 02:31:27
| <dominictarr> | yeah, that is what I am thinking. |
| 02:31:53
| <dominictarr> | and it will be written in javascript and a node will be able to run in the browser. |
| 02:32:30
| <dominictarr> | making "client-side" into another database node |
| 02:37:22
| <SubStack> | I actually have a really good use-case for a db like this |
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| <SubStack> | vexport |
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| <SubStack> | mikeal: I patched your bug ;) |
| 02:38:22
| <SubStack> | so with vexport people will be able to collaborate on 3d models and it will save their changes continuously |
| 02:38:28
| <SubStack> | but I don't want to host any of that |
| 02:38:39
| <mikeal> | SubStack: awesome |
| 02:38:48
| <mikeal> | did you push a new release to npm or do i need to pull on git? |
| 02:38:56
| <SubStack> | it's on npm |
| 02:38:58
| <SubStack> | 0.6.1 |
| 02:39:54
| <dominictarr> | yeah, it will make applications about collaboratively creating things super easy. |
| 02:39:55
| <SubStack> | dominictarr: so anyways, people will be making changes all the time to vexport models and I want people to be able to fork each others models and then merge the changes back in |
| 02:40:05
| <SubStack> | super excellent |
| 02:40:26
| <dominictarr> | if you can represent the models as json, that will be easy. |
| 02:40:44
| <dominictarr> | whats vexport? |
| 02:40:48
| <SubStack> | http://vexport.jit.su/ |
| 02:40:57
| <SubStack> | it's going to be a 3d modeling program you can use from a browser |
| 02:41:17
| <SubStack> | like inkscape but 3d |
| 02:41:26
| <dominictarr> | I could use a thing like that. |
| 02:41:33
| <SubStack> | similar modeling controls to this windows program http://anim8or.com/main/index.html |
| 02:42:08
| <SubStack> | and you'll be able to collaborate on the same models in realtime |
| 02:42:14
| <SubStack> | with other folks |
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| <SubStack> | and create forks of existing models and fun things like that |
| 02:42:55
| <dominictarr> | extrude style controls (like sketchup) are good for doing stuff for 3D printers. |
| 02:43:23
| <dominictarr> | cool. it'll also work offline, and store the changes in localStorage. |
| 02:43:53
| <SubStack> | excellent |
| 02:44:24
| <SubStack> | this will especially rock if I can use it like a library |
| 02:45:23
| <dominictarr> | that is the plan. |
| 02:45:38
| <SubStack> | that's the future of databases I think |
| 02:45:53
| <dominictarr> | the near future! |
| 02:45:58
| <SubStack> | bring the persistence as close to the programming data model as possible |
| 02:46:17
| <dominictarr> | though, i suspect the idea of databases is a bit old. |
| 02:46:29
| <dominictarr> | data lives through out the application. |
| 02:46:40
| <dominictarr> | it only goes to the persistance engine to sleep. |
| 02:46:55
| <SubStack> | persistence across restarts and the ability to store more information than can be held entirely in memory |
| 02:47:01
| <SubStack> | are what databases have going for them |
| 02:47:15
| <dominictarr> | indeed. |
| 02:47:36
| <SubStack> | solve those things and we don't need them anymore |
| 02:48:02
| <dominictarr> | but there is so much important data model things that databases only achive crudely. |
| 02:48:36
| <dominictarr> | having a database the center of your app always makes it kinda suck. |
| 02:48:41
| <SubStack> | like references? |
| 02:49:11
| <dominictarr> | yeah, and change events. |
| 02:49:38
| <SubStack> | it would be really useful if you could subscribe to only changes in a particular dataset |
| 02:49:44
| <SubStack> | nested however deeply |
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| <SubStack> | instead of filtering the entire changes feed |
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| <dominictarr> | I really want a database where you can not just READ but WATCH, and get all changes to that document streamed to you. |
| 02:50:23
| <dominictarr> | the couchdb changes feed is a start, but not the end of that road. |
| 02:51:40
| <SubStack> | so much uninvestigated low-hanging fruit in technology solution-space right now |
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| <mikeal> | SubStack: when i updated seaport and HUP'd the server the existing servers aren't registering |
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| <SubStack> | ! |
| 02:53:51
| <mikeal> | yeah, i just did a re-deploy to get everything back up |
| 02:54:20
| <SubStack> | not sure why that would be |
| 02:54:31
| <mikeal> | in a few days this will matter less, i'm writing a script called monkey |
| 02:54:33
| <SubStack> | I made sure to guard against the presence of the ping method on both sides |
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| <mikeal> | which goes around making sure shit is up and consistent and if it's not it'll kill things and bring them back up |
| 02:54:47
| <SubStack> | will monkey kill processes randomly without warning? |
| 02:55:07
| <SubStack> | you should write an evil-monkey that does such things |
| 02:56:12
| <dominictarr> | gotta go, catch you dudes later. |
| 02:56:22
| <SubStack> | bwahaha https://twitter.com/#!/isntitvacant/status/181571465588649984/photo/1 |
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| <SubStack> | see ya! |
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| <niftylettuce> | I guess I'll just use data url's and be done with it |
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| <rannmann> | you know what would be cool for browserling to have? Android and iPhone testing browsers! |
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| <rannmann> | The android emulator is pretty heavy on resources (or, at the very least, slow as hell) from what I recall though. |
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| <rannmann> | Even just the option to change user agents would be helpful. |
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| <jesusabdullah> | is there even an emulator for iphone? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | I bet apple's total dicks about it like with everything else |
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| <wiwillia> | jesusabdullah yes there is |
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| <jesusabdullah> | that's good to hear |
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| <jesusabdullah> | honestly, as soon as I learned you can't develop for iphone on linux, and about how much they charge for app store access I lost interest in the whole thing |
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| <jesusabdullah> | I mean no surprise I guess but still |
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| <wiwillia> | jesusabdullah I had to buy a mac to develop for iphone |
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| <wiwillia> | jesusabdullah was a pain in the ass. |
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| <jesusabdullah> | yeah exactly! |
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| <jesusabdullah> | Like if I was in it to make money it'd be fine |
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| <jesusabdullah> | and like, there are plenty of macfags that don't see the problem |
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| <jesusabdullah> | but I just want to fart around and give away something |
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| <jesusabdullah> | I shouldn't have to spend xty dollars to give away something on the mac store |
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| <rannmann> | if you become an ios developer though, you make $100-150/hr. |
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| <rannmann> | It pays to be "trendy" |
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| <rannmann> | jesusabdullah: You wouldn't happen to know some JS function that is basically an Fx.Accordion, without the effect? |
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| <rannmann> | I have a bunch of togglers and matching elements that I want to toggle through, but I don't want the accordion effect anymore. |
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| <rannmann> | My JS knowledge is limited, and I'm not sure how to do that with multiple instances of the same class. |
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| <jesusabdullah> | wth is Fx.Accordion? |
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| <rannmann> | http://mootools.net/docs/more/Fx/Fx.Accordion |
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| <jesusabdullah> | the dom basically lets you select shit, and add and remove elements. You don't really get these FX things for free |
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| <jesusabdullah> | most people use something like mootools, or jquery, or whatever |
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| <jesusabdullah> | so in your case, you'll want to see what mootools has |
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| <rannmann> | I don't see something similar that does it without the effect |
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| <rannmann> | I assumed I had to write my own. |
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| <jesusabdullah> | also, rannmann, don't worry, ssjs is also trenday |
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| <rannmann> | this was my old code: http://pastebin.com/tAZp3vy9 |
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| <rannmann> | I don't really get how it figures out how to match up the toggler class with the element class |
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| <rannmann> | like, if you click on the 3rd toggler, how can I get that data, and how can I make it display the 3rd element? :( |
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| <jesusabdullah> | SubStack: Any word from the landlawd about the fridge or the boiler? |
| 20:37:34
| <jesusabdullah> | I realized last night that furnace === space heat, meaning pg&e won't give a FUCK about our water |
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| <jesusabdullah> | SubStack: If you don't hear back today I want his phone number. Most people respond more quickly to phone calls than emails, especially property management types |
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| <SubStack> | jesusabdullah: yeah I got an email response an hour ago |
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| <jesusabdullah> | any good news about the boiler? If there's one thing I want to leave in my past it's bucket baths. |
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| <rannmann> | Good ol' bucket baths. I remember mixing pots of boiling water in with the cold bath water. Not fun. |
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| <jesusabdullah> | Yeah, I did exactly that this morning |
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| <jesusabdullah> | but with an electric kettle |
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| <chapel> | you got a shower head? |
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| <chapel> | cold showers aren't too bad |
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| <chapel> | not great |
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| <chapel> | well, crappy, but can be very invigorating |
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| <jesusabdullah> | not when you're recovering from influenza and are concerned about phneumonia |
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| <chapel> | well, of course not |
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| <guybrush> | SubStack: would this be ok? https://github.com/substack/dnode/pull/93/files |
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| <chapel> | I got my oaklandjs shirt btw |
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| <chapel> | thanks SubStack and wiwillia |
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| <SubStack> | guybrush: seems reasonable |
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| <chapel> | the Learning Node book coming out soon talks about Optimist SubStack |
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