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| <jesusabdullah> | SubStack: Check this api out lol https://github.com/visionmedia/should.js |
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| <jesusabdullah> | randomObject.should.have.property('foo', 'bar'); // uuuugh |
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| <dominictarr> | hey dudes |
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| <maxogden> | yoyo |
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| <jesusabdullah> | duude I just looked up "ruby dsl" and discovered that this counts as an "edsl": |
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| <jesusabdullah> | http.createServer(function (req, res) { /* ... */ }); |
| 01:30:38
| <jesusabdullah> | seriously, like |
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| <jesusabdullah> | in rake |
| 01:31:42
| <jesusabdullah> | the api is basically task('some-name', function (task) { t.thing(); t.otherThing(); }); |
| 01:31:46
| <jesusabdullah> | I'm so disappoint :( |
| 01:32:11
| <jesusabdullah> | I thought there was gonna be some leet haxxery to do crazy-weird shit but, like, jquery's more innovative and it just returns this |
| 01:32:13
| <dominictarr> | no, there is more |
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| <jesusabdullah> | dominictarr: find it for mee |
| 01:32:29
| <dominictarr> | am trying to |
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| <jesusabdullah> | awesome |
| 01:32:52
| <jesusabdullah> | cause I think that could potentially be the one thing novel enough about ruby to get me to experiment with them |
| 01:32:59
| <jesusabdullah> | if they constitute more than that |
| 01:33:23
| <jesusabdullah> | frick I'm getting distracted, I need to read this chapter! |
| 01:33:24
| <dominictarr> | I read this huge article where every one was researching how to make a block with new methods in it |
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| <jesusabdullah> | so like, a function with extra properties? |
| 01:34:47
| <jesusabdullah> | Maybe I should play with scheme edsl's instead |
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| <dominictarr> | dsl { looksLikeANewKeyword 'I am a rubyist'; putOnBlazerOverTShirt 'I think I'm _so_ clever' } |
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| <jesusabdullah> | I think that would be more sane |
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| <jesusabdullah> | ah |
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| <jesusabdullah> | well, that's cute |
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| <jesusabdullah> | I can almost dig it |
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| <dominictarr> | they call the block in another context |
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| <jesusabdullah> | but probably only only for playtimes |
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| <dominictarr> | or temporally define those methods on the old one and then remove them. |
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| <dominictarr> | really silly if you ask me |
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| <jesusabdullah> | I think I prefer the lisp approach of using a macro to shit down the language's neck |
| 01:37:39
| <jesusabdullah> | Oh dominictarr I think I'm gonna buy "the little schemer" |
| 01:37:46
| <jesusabdullah> | along with a bunch of other shit |
| 01:38:00
| <jesusabdullah> | only problem is I'm having a bit of sticker shock with my amazon bill so far |
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| <dominictarr> | yeah, ruby is a munted fucked up lisp with sugary syntax that seems powerful. |
| 01:39:15
| <dominictarr> | but it's not actually |
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| <dominictarr> | it actually makes it more arkward. you have to jump through these hoops and do wacky stuff to abstact stuff. |
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| <dominictarr> | where in js you just use lamdbas |
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| <jesusabdullah> | and dynamic this |
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| <dominictarr> | yeah. |
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| <dominictarr> | the great thing about js is it takes forever for it to ever change |
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| <jesusabdullah> | I think I've been most impressed so far with what haskell people have done in this field so far |
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| <jesusabdullah> | they seem very good at writing actually novel languages using haskell |
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| <dominictarr> | yeah, haskell is interesting. |
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| <jesusabdullah> | I can't invest time into it though right now |
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| <jesusabdullah> | too big |
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| <dominictarr> | I saw a (video) talk the other day where a guy implements fizzbuzz using ONLY define a lamdba, and call a lambda |
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| <jesusabdullah> | calls itself from 1 to 100? |
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| <dominictarr> | yes, also the control flow, mod, numbers and strings are also represented as lambda |
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| <dominictarr> | s |
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| <jesusabdullah> | oh, it's constructed entirely out of lambdas with no other constructs? |
| 01:47:09
| <dominictarr> | YUP |
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| <dominictarr> | http://rubymanor.org/3/videos/programming_with_nothing/ |
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| <dominictarr> | that is why it's called lamdba calculus |
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| <dominictarr> | that was haskell curry's thing |
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| <dominictarr> | oh, I mean he was into that. |
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| <dominictarr> | Alonzo Church invented the lambda caluclus |
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| <maxogden> | little schemer is awesome |
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| <jesusabdullah> | Interesting to me that this exercise is portable across many languages |
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| <dominictarr> | jesusabdullah: it started me thinking about how to implement lambda calc in C. started thinking of stateless lambdas as trees, not functions. |
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| <dominictarr> | where you can apply one tree to and it creates a new tree. |
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| <maxogden> | biggest bummer in js is lack of proper tail call recursion |
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| <dominictarr> | hmm, I'm afraid I don't fully understand that. it's a optimisation that allows you to efficiently iterate with recursion, correct? |
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| <dominictarr> | it doesn't add the call to the stack, right? |
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| <dominictarr> | if the function is return recursiveCall(...) ? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | dominictarr: Yes, it transforms recursive calls into stack calls if the thing you return is a call of the original function |
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| <jesusabdullah> | dominictarr: it's popular in functional stuffs because of the perf boost, and also scheme has tail call recursion specified at the language level |
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| <dominictarr> | ah cool. then I do understand it. |
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| <dominictarr> | new module: https://github.com/dominictarr/xdiff |
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| <st_luke> | nice |
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| <chapel> | might be interesting to some http://www.shmoocon.org/2012/videos/CreditCardFraud.m4v |
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| <rowbit> | /!\ ATTENTION: (default-local) [email protected] successfully signed up for developer browserling plan ($20). Cash money! /!\ |
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| <SubStack> | wowsy! |
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| <Raynos> | SubStack: I love how your bot tells you "you got cash money!" |
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| <SubStack> | yep ^_^ |
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| <Raynos> | SubStack: https://github.com/azer/onejs |
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| <Raynos> | Similar to browserify, also emulates node packages |
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| <Raynos> | It won't be able to make mikeal/request work but it might make dnode work |
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| <SubStack> | it would need to know how node_modules works |
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| <Raynos> | it claims to do |
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| <Raynos> | it claims to support NPM |
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| <Raynos> | I havn't tested it myself |
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| <SubStack> | doesn't need to support npm, it just needs to support nested node_modules directories and use exactly the same module resolution as node |
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| <SubStack> | reading the main field from package.json, resolving pkg.js before pkg/index.js |
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| <SubStack> | resolving relative requires differently from module requires |
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| <SubStack> | all of those things |
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| <Raynos> | i should just build dnode with it and see if it works :P |
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| <Raynos> | Too much effort, I'll report back later |
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| <Raynos> | SubStack: does browserify magically send my process.env variable to the browser? |
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| <pkrumins> | Published a new article - The curious case of the DES algorithm - http://www.catonmat.net/blog/curious-case-of-des-algorithm/ |
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| <simcop2387> | pkrumins: commendted on your article, with a likely explination of it |
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| <simcop2387> | only took 20 minutes for a possible answer! |
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| <Raynos> | SubStack: if dnode blows up when I call dnode.connect twice on the client can I blame you? |
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| <pkrumins> | simcop2387: reading |
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| <pkrumins> | simcop2387: oh wow |
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| <pkrumins> | simcop2387: but here is the thing, the output from a 7 byte password would be different than 8 byte password |
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| <pkrumins> | simcop2387: even though it drops the 8th (or 7th if 0-indexed) byte |
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| <pkrumins> | wait are we talking about bits or bytes? |
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| <simcop2387> | pkrumins: bits, not bytes |
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| <simcop2387> | DES normally drops the LSB on the key to get the 56bit from a 64bit key. vnc does it with the MSB instead since the MSB is going to be 0 |
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| <simcop2387> | when it was designed apparently the LSB was typically for parity to make sure the key was correct, according to wikipedia. |
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| <simcop2387> | you should be able to get the same effect using the normal DES implementations by shifting the bits of the password to the left one |
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| <simcop2387> | i think, there's some talk that they're reversed too but i don't know for sure |
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| <pkrumins> | got it! |
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| <niftylettuce> | SubStack: how many customers you guys up to? break even? |
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| <guybrush> | Raynos: https://github.com/substack/node-browserify/blob/master/wrappers/process.js#L1 |
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| <guybrush> | so yes, you get window.process.env - which will contain all objects any modules attach to it |
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| <Raynos> | guybrush: thats an empty object. I expected it to somehow inject all the process.env variables from node into the browser |
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| <guybrush> | imo that would not be ok, since the app on the client is not a "node program" its a js-program which runs in the browser |
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| <guybrush> | so it should contain the "env" of the browser if anything |
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| <guybrush> | so, when i start my app with "FOO=bar node app.js" where app.js requires browserify you want window.process.env.FOO to be 'bar'? |
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| <guybrush> | it would be cool to have window.process.versions containing version-numbers of browser :D |
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| <SubStack> | that would leak information that you probably wouldn't want everybody to know |
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| <guybrush> | right |
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| <guybrush> | but maybe it would be cool to be able to pass --env option to cli? |
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| <guybrush> | --env.FOO bar |
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| <guybrush> | more realistic: `--env.DEBUG=foo,bar` |
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| <guybrush> | so you can build bundles with different environments |
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| <guybrush> | i mean not passing nodes process.env, just a client-side process.env |
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| <Raynos> | SubStack: I think shared environmental state server/client is super nifty |
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| <Raynos> | I should probably just use a shared json file |
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| <guybrush> | a shared module :D |
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| <Raynos> | SubStack: calling `Dnode.connect(...)` twice on the browser bakes, can we cache the client object / memoize the connect function? |
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| <guybrush> | which runs on the server and the client! |
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| <Raynos> | guybrush: I have plenty of shared modules :) |
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| <guybrush> | haha |
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| <Raynos> | guybrush: Check https://github.com/Raynos/clientmongo |
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