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04:17:11  <isaacs>HAHAHAHahahah http://chrisdone.com/hj/
04:23:29  <chapel>wow
04:23:33  <chapel>is that serious?
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09:01:24  <Raynos>SubStack: ping pong
09:02:57  <Raynos>bundle.require("foo") doesnt load and browserify events when foo relies on events
09:12:09  <Raynos>never mind
09:12:13  <Raynos>it's your cache. **glares**
09:12:45  <Raynos>I bet all those other bugs I've had in the past were also your cache :P
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09:15:11  <SubStack>cache?
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12:16:46  <Raynos>SubStack: the cache option in browserify. It cached a file and then didnt "know" that I added require(events) to it
12:16:59  <Raynos>When I added cache: false to the options the problem dissappeared \o/
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14:33:06  <yorick>blog post request: how Browserling/Testling/StackVM is (or will be) using that new SubStack anarchistic servers to accomplish their awesome stuff
14:38:45  <devaholic>hello
14:41:33  <devaholic>SubStack: did you ever make progress on the client side error detection service thingy
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17:01:17  <SubStack>devaholic: well stackedy works already
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23:04:40  <devaholic>lol
23:04:47  <devaholic>hahaha
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23:15:27  <isaacs>omg, this essay is awesome: http://www.primitivism.com/abolition.htm
23:16:29  <isaacs>maxogden: what's the tech setup giong to be like? slides? amplification?
23:22:08  <maxogden>isaacs: yes
23:22:16  <maxogden>isaacs: i think we have lapel mics
23:22:20  <maxogden>isaacs: and a hd projector
23:23:41  <maxogden>isaacs: jsconf.ar is 40 minute talks right
23:30:37  <isaacs>maxogden: yes, 40
23:33:42  <maxogden>isaacs: you goin to aarons bbq?
23:34:01  <isaacs>maxogden: nah, i'm gonna keep working on my talk.
23:34:05  <SubStack>isaacs: for a more moderate version of that there's also http://www.zpub.com/notes/idle.html
23:34:16  <isaacs>the clouds of ideas are getting a little bit solidified.
23:34:18  <isaacs>it's exciting
23:34:30  <isaacs>SubStack: yeah, i've seen russel's.
23:34:32  <maxogden>SubStack: i did a custom css3 keyframe animation for the cyclist
23:36:11  <SubStack>work is bullshit, I've been saying this for years
23:36:20  <isaacs>SubStack: yeah, that's why we're programmers!
23:36:24  <SubStack>indeed
23:36:26  <isaacs>because we get the money and stuff, but for playing.
23:36:31  <SubStack>well
23:36:37  <SubStack>I don't quite see it that way
23:36:37  <isaacs>for playing in specific ways.
23:36:45  <SubStack>it's more that programming is about building automations
23:36:51  <SubStack>automations that will destroy work
23:36:54  <SubStack>and drudgery
23:36:56  <isaacs>yeessssss
23:37:22  <isaacs>eventually all work will be automated, all humans will be programmers, and all necessary programs will be written.
23:37:30  <isaacs>then we'll just build software-as-art
23:37:33  <isaacs>for fun and free.
23:37:53  <devaholic>isaacs: is it really possible?
23:38:06  <isaacs>that still leaves other endeavors, like parenting, and teaching, and counseling, and friendship.
23:38:10  <isaacs>devaholic: i think so.
23:38:15  <devaholic>computers basically put humans on hypermode, ever since the first calculator
23:38:31  <isaacs>the biggest blocker is war.
23:38:41  <devaholic>someone still have to be a counselor, or talk to the cows
23:38:45  <isaacs>when you remove force from human interactions, peaceful anarchy is not only possible, it's obvious.
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23:39:13  <isaacs>devaholic: in fact, talk-therapy becomes even *more* important in a post-work society.
23:39:34  <isaacs>the up-side of mindless drudgery is that mindless drudges don't really spend much time digging up their childhood demons and anxieties.
23:39:43  <isaacs>self-actualization is not something they have the desire for
23:40:00  <isaacs>of course, that's like curing the disease by cutting off the patient's head.
23:40:29  <isaacs>mindful non-drudges have thoughts that are confusing and difficult, and they are capable and eager to care about such things.
23:41:01  <isaacs>when you solve a problem, it doesn't result in a lack of problems, but an awareness of other, more interesting problems.
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23:41:20  <devaholic>yeap psychologically humans need to work but, i meant even without regard to that, there has to be some human services like say, judges, lawyers, doctors, and people who take care of other living things
23:41:31  <isaacs>psychologically, humans need engagement.
23:42:00  <isaacs>but, what I call "work" and what a factory-worker calls "work" are so different as to be incomparable.
23:42:11  <devaholic>so if we think that everything can be automated (put on hypermode) we might start trampling things that need a gentler touch
23:42:33  <isaacs>the things that can't be automated are mostly things that shouldn't be, because someone would enjoy doing them.
23:44:03  <devaholic>sure but its depressing to see automation applied to raising animals, at least years ago they had a somewhat normal life before we people ate them
23:44:32  <devaholic>im not sure anyone wants to do that one
23:47:26  <isaacs>devaholic: instead, we should automate the creation of edible flesh.
23:47:50  <isaacs>devaholic: why should animals be our source of delicious meats? surely the suffering of chickens, warranted though it may be by their deliciousness, is sub-optimal.
23:48:18  <isaacs>in fact, the entire species of chickens are a bit sad and awful.
23:48:22  <isaacs>they're kind of gross.
23:48:26  <devaholic>well a milk cow or a chicken can be happy enough giving milk or laying eggs and they are good at it, thats at least symbiotic, but automating it isnt
23:48:59  <isaacs>devaholic: research is underway in various places for
23:49:38  <isaacs>devaholic: research is underway in various places for ways to grow meat from cells without an animal attached.
23:50:04  <devaholic>i guess im just weary of automating everything, if that was the case there would be no base with which to apply the automation multiplier to
23:50:15  <isaacs>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat
23:50:55  <isaacs>devaholic: every advancement is scary to the previous generation, exciting to this generation, and taken for granted by the next generation andall that follow it.
23:51:05  <devaholic>yeah thats creepy, but slaughtering animals isnt great either. there are other things animals can provide us that we dont have to kill them for though
23:51:21  <isaacs>devaholic: when new technology starts scaring you, it just means you're getting old.
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23:51:58  <isaacs>your children's children will say, "What's the big deal? It's just a hamburger." and perhaps look down on us for having eaten morally repugnant non-vegan meat.
23:52:21  <isaacs>that being said, i'm gonna bike around the lake and have some pig tacos and then get back to work :)
23:52:25  <devaholic>isaacs: lol, but its not that the tech is scary, just the philosophical idea that everything can be automated, people might try to force their hand at it and it could end up trampling things we should think about first
23:52:48  <isaacs>devaholic: in practice, automation is very tricky, so that's not really a problem.
23:52:49  <devaholic>no worries, later :)
23:53:16  <isaacs>devaholic: the much bigger problem is people's attachment to shit jobs that they're afraid of losing, because they live in a society where their options are wage slavery or death.
23:54:10  <isaacs>the worst opponents to any new advance are the very people who will be most benefitted.
23:54:19  <isaacs>humans are terrible at this.
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