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02:31:53  <wiwillia>SubStack thoughts on: http://i.imgur.com/2LHP9.png
02:32:02  <wiwillia>(looking for designer prospective)
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04:39:25  <SubStack>new modules:
04:39:28  <SubStack>https://github.com/substack/node-concat-map
04:39:38  <SubStack>https://github.com/substack/node-pathway
04:52:09  <SubStack>oh goodness https://twitter.com/puffnfresh/status/210954888883089408
04:52:16  <SubStack>haskell category theory speak
04:52:22  <SubStack>complete gibberish to me
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04:56:46  <jesusabdullah>concatmap's even shorter than I guessed
04:56:46  <jesusabdullah>nice job
04:57:46  <jesusabdullah>both nice, I approve
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04:59:10  <jesusabdullah>SubStack: https://github.com/substack/node-pathway/blob/master/index.js#L26-28 could be a module ;)
05:00:30  <SubStack>oh it's already part of a module I know of
05:00:37  <SubStack>I was in a tree AT THE TIME YOU SEE
05:00:47  <SubStack>but good plan
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07:02:22  <SubStack>dominictarr: yep
07:02:29  <SubStack>dominictarr: check this https://github.com/substack/node-pathway
07:02:41  <dominictarr>oh, good. I'm just hunting a bug in jsup
07:02:44  <SubStack>JSONStream-inspired
07:02:47  <SubStack>ah
07:03:36  <dominictarr>a little bird told me that you wrote that up a tree?
07:04:36  <SubStack>yep
07:04:45  <SubStack>fuckin' birds can't keep a secret
07:05:05  <SubStack>also it's on the readme
07:05:06  <dominictarr>when updating a string, two characters get left behind
07:05:23  <dominictarr>thats my new code for "twitter"
07:05:32  <dominictarr>can't be too careful, these days.
07:05:57  <SubStack>haha
07:06:25  <dominictarr>so i get an value like version "0.0.1"0"
07:06:37  <SubStack>>_<
07:07:06  <SubStack>maybe I could just rewrite jsup using falafel instead
07:07:22  <SubStack>falafel is already built to do streaming updates
07:07:35  <SubStack>so most of the edge cases are already fixed
07:07:40  <dominictarr>I've diagnosed the problem
07:08:14  <dominictarr>I'm just looking for the change that makes it work with both strings and numbers
07:08:28  <SubStack>ah
07:11:05  <dominictarr>okay, I got it working. changed the tests a little.
07:11:13  <dominictarr>pr coming shortly.
07:11:14  <SubStack>sweet, I'll pull
07:11:43  <SubStack>also I was thinking it would be sweet if `true` could be an alias for /./ in JSONStream.parse
07:11:54  <SubStack>adding this to pathway first to see how it looks
07:12:42  <dominictarr>that would be a very sensible default.
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07:22:16  <dominictarr>I've also been planning how one might steal the effiel tower.
07:22:58  <SubStack>beam by beam
07:23:06  <dominictarr>non
07:23:14  <dominictarr>all at once at night!
07:23:43  <SubStack>drop acid on it from a giant dirigible
07:23:49  <dominictarr>you'd need at least 200 of those heavy lifting russian helecopters
07:24:07  <SubStack>then collect the residue and reconstitute the original at a secure location
07:24:13  <dominictarr>I want is mostly in tact
07:24:33  <dominictarr>oh that is pretty good.
07:25:18  <SubStack>you could even recast the metals in solution as something else entirely
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07:25:24  <SubStack>like a statue of yourself
07:25:50  <dominictarr>no, I was thinking to automate the helecopters so they could fly in formation, blow the support and then pick the whole thin up,
07:25:57  <dominictarr>and put it some place funny.
07:26:07  <SubStack>the moon
07:26:20  <dominictarr>paris, texas
07:26:42  <SubStack>phoenix arizona
07:27:27  <SubStack>or also steal the statue of liberty and swap them
07:28:00  <dominictarr>that was french in the first place, well it was a french gift
07:29:56  <dominictarr>so many other world monuments own.
07:30:15  <dominictarr>so many world monuments to own
07:30:36  <dominictarr>I'm recovering from dengue fever.
07:31:32  <dominictarr>I think take them all to a sort a country club for mad geniouses.
07:32:02  <SubStack>dengue!
07:32:06  <dominictarr>probably, on ball's pyramid.
07:32:15  <dominictarr>haha. yup.
07:32:34  <SubStack>were you hoboing around southeast asia?
07:32:43  <SubStack>think I saw this on the bird website
07:33:26  <dominictarr>I stopped to explore the ruins of an unfinished resort,
07:33:46  <SubStack>the best kind of resort, in ruins
07:33:51  <dominictarr>and ah, there was a mosquito that wanted lunch.
07:34:29  <dominictarr>there are lots to them here, but apply insect repellant with paranoia
07:35:40  <dominictarr>it's quite impressive how many large unfinished buildings there are. apparently often the banks go cold, and refuse to lend any more.
07:36:02  <jesusabdullah>where are you dominictarr ?
07:36:13  <dominictarr>bangkok
07:36:19  <SubStack>oh sweet
07:36:20  <dominictarr>at my uncles house.
07:36:38  <captain_morgan>rad, I'm hoping to go there later this year
07:36:42  <SubStack>met up with jason smith yet?
07:37:35  <dominictarr>no... but I havn't met him on the internet yet either
07:37:41  <SubStack>ah
07:37:48  <SubStack>he runs iriscouch
07:37:59  <SubStack>and writes node
07:38:08  <dominictarr>ah, I thought so.
07:38:23  <dominictarr>do you know what part of thailand he lives in?
07:38:47  <SubStack>github says bangkok
07:39:35  <SubStack>crazy you don't internet-know him yet, he's been involved in some pouchdb things, some browserify/request streaming stuff
07:40:36  <dominictarr>no, I used his couchdb follow lib to write couch-stream
07:42:12  <SubStack>ah
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07:42:51  <SubStack>speaking of streams maxogden's youtube video from yesterday was highly amusing
07:43:05  <SubStack>rips into the github module on npm for being silly and not just using streams
07:44:21  <SubStack>jesusabdullah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kZVPpMxyI8&feature=BFa&list=PL52505EA403F71B6F
07:44:38  <SubStack>also there's a cetacean series too on the same channel
07:44:49  <captain_morgan>hey, is that a dinosaur in the preview? awesome
07:45:44  <SubStack>captain_morgan: not just any dinosaur, it's a dimetrodon!
07:45:59  <SubStack>ancient carnivorous ancestor to mammals
07:46:33  <captain_morgan>right, not actually a dino
07:47:05  <captain_morgan>netflix had a good series on the ride of mammals I watched a while back
07:48:33  <captain_morgan>hmmm, just realized I can watch netflix again now that my brother isn't hoggin' all the VPN
07:50:06  <jesusabdullah>SubStack: enjoying, thanks
07:54:05  <jesusabdullah>SubStack: tardis spotting
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08:06:09  <jesusabdullah>dude SubStack our googolth ancestor was a fuckin' dimetrodon
08:06:18  <jesusabdullah>THAT'S BADASS
08:06:45  <SubStack>it pretty much was!
08:17:39  <SubStack>dominictarr: ok booleans and functions in path elements are pretty sweet
08:18:03  <SubStack>https://github.com/substack/node-pathway/blob/master/example/fn.js
08:18:22  <dominictarr>what args do you pass the function
08:18:45  <SubStack>fn(key, value)
08:18:57  <jesusabdullah>SubStack: oh nooo, it only has two episodes :(
08:19:25  <SubStack>jesusabdullah: subscribe yo
08:19:33  <SubStack>also watch the cetacean series
08:19:40  <dominictarr>i see.
08:19:52  <dominictarr>SubStack: looks good
08:20:19  <SubStack>oh I'll update that example actually to get rid of True
08:20:30  <SubStack>since true works now but I took that from the test I wrote before booleans were in
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08:39:06  <tanepiper>me being stupid but why does the evens function return a, b, c, etc
08:39:43  <tanepiper>and why does odd return 2 & 4 ?
08:41:19  <SubStack>keys
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08:41:54  <tanepiper>ugh of course
08:42:02  <tanepiper>right i need a coffee then
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08:51:25  <dominictarr>SubStack: https://github.com/substack/jsup/pull/2
08:58:24  <SubStack>\o/
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09:03:57  <SubStack>dominictarr: merged, published, using tap
09:04:14  <SubStack>and on travis
09:05:31  <dominictarr>sweet!
09:06:45  <dominictarr>cool, am using jsup to make a bump command to update the version by either patch, minor, or major and then publish in a single command.
09:06:52  <SubStack>nice!
09:07:20  <SubStack>yeah tools that just reserialize the whole document are annoying
09:08:28  <SubStack>one thing that would be sweet for jsup to have is a way to infer the indentation style and insert new keys with that style
09:09:02  <SubStack>and targetted to just a single insertion without reserialization
09:16:46  <dominictarr>oh, shit!
09:16:49  <dominictarr>I know
09:17:43  <dominictarr>you could do a diff with the reserialization, and extract the whitespace that way.
09:18:04  <dominictarr>then reinsert the whitespace
09:18:52  <dominictarr>(and of course, you know what values have changed, so you can ignore that in the diff.
09:18:54  <dominictarr>)
09:19:11  <tanepiper>every day i'm shufflin' shufflin'
09:19:33  <tanepiper>My talk for the end of the month is now a history lesson in real time communication :D
09:19:46  <tanepiper>starting in 490 BCE
09:21:53  <SubStack>whoa a diff!
09:21:57  <SubStack>clever
09:22:22  <jesusabdullah>That would make it more useful I think
09:22:23  <jesusabdullah>tbh
09:29:01  <SubStack>up to 52 projects on travis now
09:30:03  <SubStack>https://gist.github.com/2894697
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11:41:46  <dominictarr>SubStack: https://github.com/dominictarr/bv
11:42:30  <SubStack>most excellent
11:43:55  <SubStack>meanwhile, I just found a bug in pathway
11:44:12  <SubStack>so fixing that and I'll give bv a spin when I get that bug squashed
11:46:23  <dominictarr>cool.
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11:58:10  <SubStack>oh it did a git commit and git push that was surprising
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11:59:22  <SubStack>dominictarr: I think it would be more useful if I could specify the commit message with -m
12:00:23  <dominictarr>the commit is only a one line change to the package.json with the new version.
12:00:48  <dominictarr>I use isaacs style with the message as the new version
12:01:07  <dominictarr>how do you do it?
12:01:29  <SubStack>for tiny patches I'll often bump the version along with the commits that fix a failing test
12:01:40  <SubStack>and then git tag that version
12:01:58  <dominictarr>hmm, okay, I'll put -m in
12:02:39  <SubStack>oh shit that did an npm publish too
12:02:42  <SubStack>was not expecting that >_<
12:02:55  <SubStack>I thought it would just bump my version field
12:04:25  <SubStack>anyways pathway is all fixed
12:05:43  <SubStack>hooray and that fixed lump
12:07:25  <dominictarr>it does everything, but you can skip each step. it's documented.
12:08:23  <dominictarr>oh, -m in in, and pushed [email protected],0,8
12:09:34  <SubStack>upgraded
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12:21:44  <dominictarr>you know what we really need in the node community?
12:22:14  <dominictarr>a way to webkit natively,
12:22:44  <dominictarr>like, to use it for OS applications with no cross-domain police bs etc.
12:24:10  <dominictarr>then we could build a huge cross platfrom app store thing, so easy.
12:27:24  <SubStack>totes
12:27:54  <SubStack>also UI components need more reuse and modularity
12:28:10  <SubStack>relevant to those native webkit ends too
12:29:11  <dominictarr>I'm not sure about that. I see so much messyness in the UI field, just because of opinions.
12:29:46  <dominictarr>and because people like to polish their apps to differentiate them. which means custom ui elements.
12:30:20  <dominictarr>apparently any really decent iOS app has alot of work tweaking the elements.
12:31:49  <dominictarr>but within one organisational space (brain) there is certainly a possibility for modularity.
12:33:25  <dominictarr>but I'm not sure how much. probably a lot of custom tweaks for each different app
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12:36:09  <SubStack>https://github.com/substack/node-lump
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12:38:36  <SubStack>now I have a module for every letter of the alphabet
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12:41:42  <dominictarr>time to move on to unicode characters? a module can be an arbitary string, afterall
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12:43:07  <dominictarr>catch you later
12:43:08  <SubStack>likewise
12:43:12  <SubStack>goodnight!
12:43:25  <SubStack>3 modules tonight
12:43:30  <SubStack>is about my limit
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15:12:39  <tanepiper>I've done about 0.0001 Substack's this year
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20:35:31  <SubStack>geeeez this is so bro-y: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUMjxnKzUlQ
20:38:04  <jesusabdullah>olololo
20:38:14  <SubStack>jesusabdullah: was that the event you were at?
20:38:19  <jesusabdullah>No
20:38:28  <jesusabdullah>They had a DJ with a custom stage at ours though
20:39:06  <jesusabdullah>They were playing a sort of "Microsoft Azure theme song" in between talks
20:39:15  <jesusabdullah>I started coming up with words to it
20:39:20  <SubStack>haha
20:39:45  <SubStack>oh I guess this event was in norway
20:39:46  <jesusabdullah>Mine were better
20:39:48  <SubStack>http://programmersbeingdicks.tumblr.com/post/24672843165/microsofts-ndc-2012-event
20:39:56  <jesusabdullah>"you click a fuckin' a button and you fuckin' deploy"
20:40:01  <jesusabdullah>"yeah you click that fuckin' button"
20:41:32  <SubStack>microsoft folk sure like to click buttons
20:41:43  <SubStack>this seems completely plausible lyrics-wise
20:42:55  <jesusabdullah>^__^
20:53:28  <SubStack>and intellisense
20:55:03  <Raynos>I'll be in SF in 2 weeks. Are there places other then word of mouth & twitter where I can see what awesome things are happening in SF / oakland.
20:58:12  <SubStack>you're already in #nerdtracker so that should help
20:58:44  <rowbit>Hourly usage stats: []
20:58:57  <SubStack>on sundays maxogden has hacknights in east oakland
21:03:22  <Raynos>I see, awesome.
21:16:35  <rowbit>SubStack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down:
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21:23:07  <pkrumins>140!
21:25:56  <jesusabdullah>aww :(
21:28:35  <rowbit>SubStack, pkrumins: Encoders down:
21:34:44  <jesusabdullah>isaacs: We should talk about npm package rankings when you have spare cycles.
21:37:02  <isaacs>omg, literal douche chills
21:37:11  <isaacs>goosebumps.
21:37:12  <isaacs>so embarrassing
21:37:20  <isaacs>that ndc thing. jesus.
21:37:31  <SubStack>bro chills
21:37:38  <isaacs>that's so bad.
21:37:47  <isaacs>jesusabdullah: did you make it to the thing in sf last night?
21:37:51  <isaacs>please tell me it wasn't like this.
21:37:55  * wiwilliaquit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
21:38:15  <jesusabdullah>isaacs: the thing in sf was NOT like that, thank God
21:38:27  <jesusabdullah>isaacs: The thing in SF was actually quite good
21:38:30  <isaacs>kewl
21:38:33  <jesusabdullah>yeah
21:38:34  <isaacs>i got kind of sidetracked.
21:38:40  <jesusabdullah>haha, I hear you
21:38:44  <isaacs>basically everything i did yesterday took 2-3x as long as i thought it would :)
21:38:48  <jesusabdullah>oh man
21:38:49  <jesusabdullah>well
21:38:55  <jesusabdullah>the azure thing took a long time
21:39:02  <jesusabdullah>cause I was talking with glenn block a bunch
21:39:12  <jesusabdullah>the azure cli tool looks eerily similar to jitsu
21:39:23  <jesusabdullah>because they use winston and have a similar api
21:39:35  <rowbit>SubStack, pkrumins: Encoders down:
21:39:50  <isaacs>you guys should use npmlog for the cli
21:40:06  <isaacs>then jitsu would look eerily similar to npm ;)
21:41:53  <jesusabdullah>lulz
21:42:00  <jesusabdullah>ya well liek
21:42:02  <jesusabdullah>u noe
21:42:13  <jesusabdullah>also, winstond
21:42:19  <jesusabdullah>YEAH I WENT THERE
21:42:28  <jesusabdullah>is npmlog separated? I might have to take a look
21:42:39  <jesusabdullah>I like experimenting with other stacks if only to keep my mind open
21:42:41  <isaacs>jesusabdullah: i just extracted it the other day
21:42:44  <jesusabdullah>word
21:42:48  <jesusabdullah>link? :)
21:42:51  <isaacs>jesusabdullah: it was the glue that was holding all the npm logs together
21:42:55  <isaacs>jesusabdullah: npm docs npmlog
21:43:00  <isaacs>*holding all the npm utils
21:43:02  <jesusabdullah>oh, so about npm package rankings
21:43:06  <isaacs>ya
21:43:18  <jesusabdullah>One of our enginerds has been working on a prototype for such a site
21:43:22  <jesusabdullah>it's a good start
21:43:34  <jesusabdullah>and I know you're interested in building such a site as well, yeah?
21:43:47  <isaacs>jesusabdullah: sort of
21:43:49  <jesusabdullah>Because, like, I could tell him to do what you tell him to do and we can TTLY TEAM UP
21:43:56  <jesusabdullah>sort of?
21:44:00  <isaacs>jesusabdullah: i mean, yes, but the actual rankings are not yet started
21:44:01  <jesusabdullah>Please, go on. :)
21:44:15  <isaacs>jesusabdullah: oh, that reminds me, any luck tracking down elizsbot?
21:44:22  <isaacs>elizsbot: you're still alive, i see.
21:44:23  <elizsbot>isaacs: Perhaps you would like to be still alive.
21:44:28  <jesusabdullah>shit that was a long time ago
21:44:28  <isaacs>elizsbot: no, i want you dead, actually.
21:44:29  <elizsbot>isaacs: You are being a bit negative.
21:44:32  <jesusabdullah>apparently not
21:44:40  <isaacs>elizsbot: die, please.
21:44:40  <elizsbot>isaacs: Do you feel strongly about discussing such things ?
21:44:48  <isaacs>see?
21:44:50  <isaacs>;)
21:44:54  <jesusabdullah>isaacs: Do you remember the username/app combo? I'll yell at avian and maciej about this
21:45:01  <isaacs>jesusabdullah: username = isaacs
21:45:06  <isaacs>jesusabdullah: app is already gone.
21:45:16  <jesusabdullah>Do you remember what it originally was?
21:45:16  <isaacs>jesusabdullah: but it was called elizsbot, i think
21:45:20  <jesusabdullah>yeah, sounds right
21:48:36  <jesusabdullah>anyways, so, this project rankings thing
21:49:09  <jesusabdullah>isaacs: There's a rankings module we made that scans for really basic stuff like, "has up-to-date dependencies" and stuff like that
21:49:33  <jesusabdullah>isaacs: and the site just crunches those rankings and scrapes npm for new package.jsons every day
21:49:43  <jesusabdullah>oh, yeah, it's package.json-based analyses
21:50:32  <jesusabdullah>isaacs: how does this jibe with where you're going with this?
21:51:08  <isaacs>jesusabdullah: so, last i heard about this (from Marak, I believe) it was more like a package.json linter than actual graph-traversal type stuff
21:51:15  <isaacs>which sounds useful
21:51:19  <isaacs>but i'm not sure it's the whole story
21:51:25  <isaacs>more like an introductory chapter
21:51:37  <jesusabdullah>yeah, I remember this
21:51:49  <isaacs>what i really want is a way to pull in stuff like this, with other data as well, and iterate on the calculations to find the best thing
21:51:59  <isaacs>i dont' think we're going to find the answer without actually doing it.
21:52:02  <jesusabdullah>Okay, so this data is a start
21:52:29  <SubStack>call it house points
21:52:41  <SubStack>and have a house cup at the end of the year for all the modules
21:52:58  <jesusabdullah>basically, what I'm getting at is this: You can basically tell me what Pavan should do next
21:53:09  <jesusabdullah>SubStack: ololo
21:53:45  <SubStack>also somebody needs to write node-sorting-hat
21:53:51  <SubStack>to organize module authors into houses
21:55:08  <jesusabdullah>yes
21:55:11  <jesusabdullah>YES
21:55:15  <jesusabdullah>I was actually going to say just that
21:55:21  <tanepiper>The npm Hunger Games
21:55:22  <jesusabdullah>but laggernets
21:55:32  <jesusabdullah>nono, definitely harry potter
21:55:41  <tanepiper>Death Race NPM
21:55:46  <jesusabdullah>harry pot-t-tuh
21:56:01  <jesusabdullah>harry pawdder
21:56:47  <isaacs>SubStack: what are the houses?
21:57:05  <SubStack>isaacs: I haven't thought this through enough yet.
21:57:09  <tanepiper>Harry Potta: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rJAtPNYQ30
21:57:12  <isaacs>yes, you should think it through
21:58:44  <rowbit>Hourly usage stats: []
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22:13:36  <rowbit>SubStack, pkrumins: Encoders down:
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22:16:35  <rowbit>SubStack, pkrumins: Encoders down:
22:17:01  <jesusabdullah>isaacs: so yeah, like, I should show you this stuff sometime. Maybe come over or something.
22:17:07  <jesusabdullah>Get Marak in the mix too
22:18:11  <isaacs>k