00:20:22  <dominictarr>SubStack, working on nwm
00:20:55  <dominictarr>I want to be able to control the windows in a way reminicent of jQuery.
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00:56:09  <maxogden>whats a politically correct label for the population of programmers who likely have Aspbergers? the group label im seeking for would describe Aspergers programmers but also people in the same region of psychological space
00:56:22  <maxogden>antipragmatists?
00:57:57  <SubStack>what does aspergers have to do with pragmatism?
00:58:09  <dominictarr>you mean people who arn't good at communicating.
00:58:17  <dominictarr>with other humans.
00:58:38  <SubStack>in the ways that society deems most important
00:58:42  <maxogden>yea
00:58:52  <maxogden>people who freak out about whitespace
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00:58:54  <maxogden>for instance
00:58:59  <maxogden>they can communicate that they care about whitespace just fine
00:59:17  <SubStack>lots of kinds of people care about silly things, no need to bring mental disorders into that
00:59:18  <dominictarr>I don't know. that is just like being a clean freak.
00:59:39  <dominictarr>you can be anal retentive about things but still know how other people feel.
00:59:46  <dominictarr>you just hate them.
00:59:48  <maxogden>hmm good point
01:00:48  <dominictarr>so you want a word for people who arn't chill bros?
01:00:57  <maxogden>haha
01:01:08  <maxogden>maybe 'uptight' is what im goin for
01:01:20  <maxogden>SubStack: good call with the comment earlier about silly thing
01:07:21  <dominictarr>what does it look like when you pass a c variable as a pointer ?
01:07:42  <SubStack>&x ?
01:07:44  <dominictarr>like in this http://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.6/doc/libX11/specs/libX11/libX11.html#Obtaining_Window_Information
01:08:06  <dominictarr>I need to define some vars and pass them to XQueryTree
01:08:38  <dominictarr>Window* parent = NULL;
01:08:47  <dominictarr>then call the function
01:08:53  <dominictarr>and then parent will be set?
01:09:07  <SubStack>you can just pass NULL directly if you have nulls
01:09:53  <Raynos>NO MORE HTTP. ONLY STREAMS. STREAM ALL THE THINGS!
01:09:55  <LOUDBOT>ALL THIS CHEESE IS YOURS, EXCEPT THE CHEDDAR. ATTEMPT NO CRACKERS THERE.
01:10:59  <dominictarr>SubStack, but I need to get the value out.
01:15:24  <dominictarr>hmm, it let me compile passing NULL to the positions I didn't care about...-w
01:19:15  <SubStack>if you just need a new junk pointer you can malloc one
01:19:36  <SubStack>Window * parent = (Window *) malloc(sizeof(Window));
01:20:08  <SubStack>or Window parent; to allocate one on the stack and then pass &parent to the function call
01:22:04  <maxogden>USES_SEMICOLONS_NO_MATTER_WHAT ? "uppity": "chill bro"
01:32:35  <dominictarr>SubStack, &x refurs to the address of x, right?
01:34:32  <SubStack>yep
01:34:35  <SubStack>http://substack.net/projects/sorta-vote/
01:35:22  <dominictarr>so if a function take(int *thing)
01:35:33  <dominictarr>I call take(thisThing)
01:35:42  <dominictarr>or take(&thisThing)
01:35:44  <dominictarr>?
01:36:44  <dominictarr>nice
01:37:17  <SubStack>yes
01:37:19  <SubStack>except!
01:37:38  <SubStack>if you allocate things on the stack like `Window parent;`
01:37:46  <SubStack>and the program is expecting the refs to persist
01:38:11  <SubStack>then your program will crash or worse
01:40:51  <dominictarr>like a segfault?
01:41:41  <Raynos>SubStack: not persisted :(
01:42:22  <Raynos>SubStack: yoour using jquery again :(
01:42:27  <SubStack>Raynos: correct
01:42:46  <SubStack>jquery is terse for creating and setting new elements and properties
01:42:51  <SubStack>makes for a better example
01:44:31  <Raynos>but thats what yarniffy is for
01:44:35  <Raynos>yarnify all the things
01:45:31  <SubStack>I don't want to complicate the example
01:45:35  <Raynos>SubStack: bundle with debug on for readability
01:45:44  <Raynos>i find it hard to find the sorta module in the bundle.js
01:45:55  <SubStack>examples are about communication
01:46:13  <SubStack>Raynos: it'll be on github in a few
01:46:34  <Raynos>meh
01:46:46  <Raynos>ill rewrite your example using dom and illustrate it doest not hurt readability
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01:55:29  <SubStack>https://github.com/substack/sorta
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01:59:29  <Raynos>i like how its a writable stream :)
01:59:52  <SubStack>in a future version it might be neat to make it duplex
02:00:15  <SubStack>so when you call row.update() it emits events that can be read by the server and re-broadcast accordingly
02:00:28  <Raynos>yeah
02:00:29  <SubStack>and then you pretty much have meteor without the tight coupling to mongo
02:00:52  <SubStack>then you could handle auth and message routing with just streams!
02:10:57  <dominictarr>SubStack, what am I doing wrong here: https://gist.github.com/3261138
02:16:59  <Raynos>SubStack: I like this idea of having duplex streams
02:17:15  <Raynos>I should reimplement clientmongo to use a duplex stream
02:19:47  <SubStack>idea!
02:20:05  <SubStack>.pause() could make it so that the new values get shown but don't get re-ordered
02:20:20  <SubStack>and then when you .resume() everything goes back in the correct order
02:20:52  <SubStack>so that you could function onmouseover () { s.pause() } function onmouseout () { s.resume() }
02:21:09  <SubStack>that way users won't get annoyed by the elements moving out from under their cursors
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02:30:45  <SubStack>GROWSHURES TIME
02:30:46  <LOUDBOT>TONIGHT ON SUPER MARIO SUNSHINE, GENE SIMMONS KIDNAPS THE PRINCESS AND BRUTALLY ANALLY RAPES HER, SHE THEN GIVES IN AND TAKES IT LIKE A MAN
02:31:12  <SubStack>LOUDBOT: search foodstuffs
02:31:13  <LOUDBOT>SubStack: <ik_:#mefi> "LOOK AT ALL THIS NON-MUFFIN FOODSTUFFS"
02:36:32  <Nexxy>wow LOUDBOT
02:40:29  <Raynos>Feedback appreciated on my article ( https://gist.github.com/5c21179bd775fde6ca36 ) Taming asynchronous code through functional programming
02:47:28  <SubStack>Raynos: s/if your writing/if you're writing/
02:47:35  <Raynos>thanks
02:47:49  <SubStack>Raynos: s/if your using/if you're using/
02:48:17  <Raynos>sweet
02:50:23  <SubStack>other than that seems good!
02:50:37  <SubStack>growshures time
02:50:41  * SubStack&
02:50:43  <Raynos>growshures?
02:50:44  <Raynos>Oh I see
02:53:25  <Nexxy>Raynos, you mean "control flow"
02:53:34  <Raynos>oh
02:53:37  <Raynos>crap
02:53:41  <Raynos>I did it wrong again
02:53:49  <Nexxy>everyone does
02:54:24  <Nexxy>other than that I think it does well.
02:54:26  <Raynos>Nexxy: http://raynos.github.com/presentation/shower/controlflow.htm But I made the mistake before and then unmade it
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02:55:18  <Raynos>Nitpick more :P
02:55:22  <Raynos>dont tell me "it does well"
02:55:31  <Raynos>I want to write articles to the same standard as isaacs or mikeal
02:55:42  <Raynos>isaacs: you write awesome articles btw
02:57:56  <Nexxy>Raynos, oki
02:57:59  <Nexxy>it's you're
02:58:02  <Nexxy>not your
02:58:14  <Raynos>yeah I think I caught those :)
02:58:17  <Nexxy>oki
02:58:19  <Nexxy>:P
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03:29:48  <Raynos>Number two! https://gist.github.com/08e4c51f82024f1bc7dc
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03:37:08  <Nexxy>Raynos, also ++ for comma first
03:37:31  <Raynos>meh style is style
03:37:56  <Raynos>as long as its not coffeescript, capslockscript or has no style at all its readable
03:38:18  <Nexxy>honestly it makes things a lot easier for me to read
03:38:21  <Nexxy>I know I'm not alone
03:38:31  <Nexxy>the comma first helps me immediately recognize context
03:38:43  <Nexxy>moreso than tab widths
03:50:48  <Raynos>cool
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04:47:45  <SubStack>Raynos: oh this site is pretty neat http://microjs.com/
04:48:02  <SubStack>going to start looking stuff up there before I reach for jquery
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04:58:14  <Raynos>SubStack: yeah its sweet
04:58:31  <Raynos>SubStack: be wary of things you find on there. The quality of it is far lower then npm
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05:01:41  <Raynos>SubStack: I actually find that I don't need that many client-side libs and if I do I just write them and publish them to npm
05:15:28  <Raynos>isaacs: you broke npmtop :( http://npmtop.com/
05:16:08  <SubStack>just use https://npmjs.org/browse/author
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05:49:20  <Raynos>Im below the fold :9
05:57:40  <Raynos>SubStack: did you see the second one I wrote ( https://gist.github.com/08e4c51f82024f1bc7dc ) It has a complex example which is similar to one from your seq module
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06:17:58  <maxogden>hey ya'll
06:18:03  <maxogden>my friend made a sweet webapp: https://github.com/whichlight/dancey-dots
06:18:11  <maxogden>err http://whichlight.synth_fun.jit.su/
06:21:01  <maxogden>anyone know how to make it work with more than 5 people?
06:21:10  <maxogden>fork it!!!
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07:40:35  <rook2paw1>when i browserifiy'd bundled the latest dnode, the resultant bundle doesn't include the main index.js from dnode, only the lib/dnode.js file
07:42:10  <rook2paw1>SubStack: is this a detective/bundle thing? has dnode been tested with browserify lately? it errors on .connect with method not found
07:50:28  <rook2paw1>skeleton of issue at https://github.com/rook2pawn/dtest
07:58:13  <Raynos>rook2paw1: I ran browserify with dnode 2 days ago
07:58:20  <Raynos>it just worked
07:58:25  <Raynos>although hmm
07:58:30  <Raynos>maybe this would explain some of my bugs
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08:08:25  <Raynos>TV
08:08:30  <Raynos>it murders your ability to do shit
08:15:37  <devaholic>heh, whats on TV?
08:17:13  <Raynos>right now weddings crashers
08:17:17  <Raynos>but trying to ignore it
08:17:23  <Raynos>before it was some movie from 199
08:17:36  <Raynos>office space
08:25:58  <rook2paw1>00:06 < Raynos> but trying to ignore it
08:25:58  <rook2paw1>00:06 < Raynos> but trying to ignore it
08:26:14  <Raynos>rook2paw1: trying to ignore the TV in the background
08:27:02  <rook2paw1>for some reason my mouse buttons paste into irssi when i dont want them to
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08:28:41  <rook2pawn>Raynos can you have a look at the skeleton test
08:29:12  <rook2pawn>maybe i set something up wrong in that, but its pretty minimal
08:29:31  <Raynos>rook2pawn: thats not how you use dnode in the browser
08:30:19  <rook2pawn>oh? what is wrong
08:30:23  <Raynos>rook2pawn: look at the shoe example on the dnode page. dnode in the browser includes lib/dnode.js and browser.js not index.js
08:30:43  <rook2pawn>Ahh hah
08:31:09  <Raynos>SubStack: dnode in browser ( https://github.com/substack/dnode/tree/master/example/shoe ) upnode in browser ( https://github.com/Raynos/boot/tree/master/example/upnode )
08:33:10  <rook2pawn>Raynos: where is the lib/dnode.js inclusion
08:33:20  <Raynos>in browser.js
08:36:35  <rook2pawn>hrm.. the only difference that is relevant is the use of .connect in my code
08:37:43  <rook2pawn>whereas i think the .pipe's are doing something similar.. not too sure whathas been changed since i last looked at dnode
08:38:28  <Raynos>you cant connect in the browser
08:38:37  <Raynos>not to a port anyway
08:46:54  <rook2pawn>i was under the impression that index.js in the dnode/index.js would basically be included, but when i bundle the entry point, it only seems to be including /lib/dnode.js
08:49:22  <rook2pawn>i.e. entry.js = require('dnode'); browserify entry.js -o bundle.js => bundle.js doesn't have the prototype definitions for D, namely D.prototype.connect etc
08:58:35  <Raynos>as intended
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11:12:17  <rook2pawn>also dnode can .connect from the browser, my guess is that Substack has moved that too pipe w/ sock when it comes to browser functionality? (can you confirm that?)
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18:05:41  <dominictarr>isaacs, for INI, what if you could just pass in a hydrate function like in JSON.parse(obj, hydrate) ?
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18:28:58  <isaacs>dominictarr: a reviver :)
18:29:14  <isaacs>dominictarr: sure, i guess. but the benefit of ini is sort of that it's just so simple.
18:29:44  <dominictarr>just so simple to be annoying. there is a pr waiting already.
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18:30:07  <isaacs>dominictarr: i mean, it's like envs or clis. if you know it's a number, then treat it like a number. but you get a string.
18:30:10  <isaacs>that's it
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18:30:50  <dominictarr>hmm.
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18:31:26  <dominictarr>you use ==
18:31:35  <isaacs>i think we should guarantee that ini.decode(ini.encode(o)) deepEquals o iff o is a String Object where a String Object contains only strings and STring Objects
18:34:00  <dominictarr>right, so actually. it's JSON that is the odd one out for actually parsing the types... because it's a real serialization format, that we've dragged into the mud of storing configuration.
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22:38:57  <SubStack>jesusabdullah: going to set up my 2nd laptop and the monitor in the kitchen to stream the mars landing tonight
22:40:33  <jesusabdullah>fun
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23:28:26  <Raynos>SubStack: https://gist.github.com/3267955
23:28:34  <Raynos>can I PR concat-map to fix it's API ?
23:29:52  <SubStack>could just make a separate module
23:36:14  <niftylettuce>\o back!
23:37:12  <SubStack>niftylettuce: back from where?
23:38:25  <niftylettuce>SubStack: sailing the atlantic
23:38:41  <niftylettuce>bein a pirate n stuff
23:38:44  <niftylettuce>was fun
23:39:09  <niftylettuce>saw a whale and a huge shark
23:39:21  <niftylettuce>lots of jellyfish.js
23:40:44  <SubStack>oh neat
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23:53:37  <niftylettuce>SubStack: how have things been with Browserling/Testling?
23:58:04  <SubStack>pretty excellent
23:58:18  <SubStack>lots of new users, finishing a ui update here
23:58:33  <SubStack>presenting about testling on tuesday
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23:59:06  <SubStack>and after this ui update I'm going to start working on the testling refactor to split the code up into more processes
23:59:36  <SubStack>and it'll all be running on fleet, which pkrumins set up on the testling server already