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| <pkrumins> | substack: in latvia for example we only have flags up on holidays |
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| <substack> | makes sense |
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| <guybrush> | same here in austria |
| 00:19:45
| <substack> | in north america and western europe flags are up all the time |
| 00:19:59
| <substack> | at least the places I've been |
| 00:20:06
| <pkrumins> | or for example today, when the president of turkmenistan was visiting latvia |
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| <guybrush> | substack: are people dancing on streets? in tv i saw them dancing on the street |
| 00:20:14
| <guybrush> | like a national sport thing |
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| <substack> | guybrush: not the streets but in parks |
| 00:20:36
| <substack> | I passed about 5 groups of people doing synchronized dances in parks |
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| <guybrush> | awesome |
| 00:20:41
| <substack> | 50-100 people each |
| 00:21:19
| <guybrush> | like really all people in any age |
| 00:22:51
| <substack> | was mostly women from what I saw |
| 00:22:57
| <substack> | all ages though |
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| <substack> | now getting some sugary bread and coffee |
| 01:13:44
| <pkrumins> | cool thing of the day: `cmd1 | cmd2` is the same as `cmd1 > >(cmd2)` is the same as `cmd2 < <(cmd1)` |
| 01:14:07
| <guybrush> | woah |
| 01:14:16
| <guybrush> | i dont understand > > tbh |
| 01:14:46
| <guybrush> | ah its > >() |
| 01:15:15
| <pkrumins> | so >() creates an anonymous named pipe |
| 01:15:28
| <pkrumins> | then bash replaces >(...) with the filename of this anonymous pipe |
| 01:15:46
| <pkrumins> | so `cmd > >(...)` becomes `cmd > /path/to/pipe` |
| 01:15:55
| <guybrush> | thx for sharing these unix-wisdom on your blog and everywhere :D i really enjoy it |
| 01:16:01
| <pkrumins> | now that pipe is connected to the command in (...) |
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| <pkrumins> | so what happens is cmd writes to the pipe, and the command in (...) reads from the pipe |
| 01:22:26
| <pkrumins> | guybrush: glad you're liking my wisdoms |
| 01:22:29
| <pkrumins> | actually |
| 01:22:33
| <pkrumins> | cmd1 | cmd2 |
| 01:22:39
| <pkrumins> | `cmd1 | cmd2` is the same as `cmd1 > >(cmd2)` same as `cmd2 < <(cmd1)` same as `< <(cmd1) cmd2` same as `> >(grep log) ls` |
| 01:22:53
| <pkrumins> | oops that last part was from experiments |
| 01:25:01
| <guybrush> | oh speaking of unix-wisdom, i am thinking about doing logrotate with node - can i just pipe into a file and check in an interval how big the file is? when the file-size > max i just buffer the stream and create a new fileStream and then pipe it into the new stream? |
| 01:25:18
| <guybrush> | oh its not logrotate its different, anyways |
| 01:25:53
| <guybrush> | maybe the logrotate-way would be better, like checking in an interval and then cutting the file |
| 01:26:31
| <guybrush> | i feel kind of dumb to not know how to handle such trivial things |
| 01:28:37
| <guybrush> | oh winston has some file-log-rotation implemented |
| 01:28:47
| <pkrumins> | hmm i actually dont know how to do it with node streams |
| 01:29:23
| <pkrumins> | i know how to do it just the regular way when you call write yourself |
| 01:29:57
| <guybrush> | oohh i think i did even read about it in k&r long time ago :p |
| 01:30:23
| <pkrumins> | then you'd do exactly that, check if file-size >= max |
| 01:30:43
| <pkrumins> | and cut the writing to the current file, move the file to file-part-x, then open file again |
| 01:30:46
| <pkrumins> | and keep writing |
| 01:30:55
| <guybrush> | but i would have to buffer the incomming data? |
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| <guybrush> | ah i see |
| 01:31:09
| <pkrumins> | well that part is not asynchronous |
| 01:31:23
| <pkrumins> | you'd just move the file, open a new file in case of file-size >= max, and reset file-size to 0 |
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| <guybrush> | ok |
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| <substack> | pow |
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| <substack> | how did I even get lost just now, I only went like 500m |
| 03:56:59
| <guybrush> | substack: you should plug browserify on any opportunity, like when you do talks |
| 03:57:24
| <guybrush> | i cant even tell how much i enjoy this piece of software |
| 03:57:48
| <substack> | more important that I plug the service subsidizing browserify development! |
| 03:58:02
| <substack> | guybrush: if you love browserify you are going to love testling-ci probs |
| 03:58:32
| <guybrush> | i will make more money in the future for sure, then i get all the sweet services you provide |
| 03:59:01
| <guybrush> | right now i have to turn every cent (dont know the proper english phrase :p) |
| 04:00:09
| <guybrush> | though i get hiring-emails, and i feel tempted everytime to take those jobs - then i realize i am just to happy with doing my own stuff |
| 04:00:53
| <guybrush> | next month or so i have high chance to get funded - though its hard deadline |
| 04:02:56
| <guybrush> | its not like your service is super-expensive :> its like i dont have any money at all lol :p |
| 04:06:49
| <substack> | doing your own thing rocks so much |
| 04:07:08
| <substack> | I know what it's like to have no money! No worries. |
| 04:07:14
| <substack> | testling-ci will be free for open source repos anyways |
| 04:07:16
| <guybrush> | and man i learn so much stuff by roling my own stuff - its so much more worth than money |
| 04:07:25
| <substack> | free for open repos, costs for private repos |
| 04:07:35
| <guybrush> | oh sweeet |
| 04:07:45
| <substack> | like github and travis |
| 04:07:52
| <guybrush> | though i will take private repos for sure |
| 04:08:10
| <substack> | it's a good model I think because the people who are paying for private repos are the kinds of people who pay for things |
| 04:08:19
| <guybrush> | with money i will go private github-repos and stackvm-services all along |
| 04:09:00
| <substack> | awesome to have folks love our tech \o |
| 04:09:19
| <guybrush> | awesome to have the tech around! |
| 04:09:39
| <substack> | we're definitely in it for the long game, building a network of collaborators |
| 04:10:29
| <substack> | mostly because that's the only way I know how |
| 04:10:32
| <guybrush> | the best thing with these awesome opensource-tech is, its so much fun and effective to learn stuff |
| 04:19:15
| <substack> | and the tiny pieces layer really well |
| 04:40:07
| <substack> | related: http://substack.net/images/mountie_equation.png |
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| <guybrush> | rofl |
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| <dominictarr> | SOME MADE SCIENCE RIGHT HERE |
| 11:20:03
| <dominictarr> | http://www.concretesubmarine.com/ |
| 11:20:03
| <LOUDBOT> | OR SOME SIMILAR PSYCHOBABBLE |
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| <rowbit> | /!\ ATTENTION: (default-local) [email protected] successfully signed up for developer browserling plan ($20). Cash money! /!\ |
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| <substack> | more signups \o/ |
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| <substack> | dominictarr: if you want some contacts to seasteading folks I can hook that up |
| 15:29:21
| <substack> | they're just in jack london square in oakland |
| 15:29:39
| <substack> | one guy paid boat club a surprise visit already |
| 15:30:00
| <dominictarr> | ah, cool. thinking on my next trip to oakland I should build a boat and then sail it to mexico when visa expires. |
| 15:31:36
| <substack> | haha do it |
| 15:31:48
| <substack> | there is ample space to be had |
| 15:32:08
| <substack> | also there's a sweet vacant area on 5th ave you can use as a staging ground |
| 15:32:15
| <substack> | right on the water |
| 15:34:00
| <dominictarr> | something like this http://www.creartisto.com/sansboussole/bateau_en.html |
| 15:35:25
| <substack> | I like how everybody here is an expert at using vpns |
| 15:36:01
| <dominictarr> | because of the firewall? |
| 15:37:55
| <substack> | yep |
| 15:38:08
| <substack> | like the conference has a twitter account for instance |
| 15:41:02
| <dominictarr> | haha. very good. |
| 15:41:19
| <substack> | https://twitter.com/hujsconf |
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| <dominictarr> | substack, messing around with sound stuff again. |
| 15:49:51
| <dominictarr> | I added using voice from the repl. |
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| <dominictarr> | gonna add a command to send code to the sound server |
| 15:51:11
| <dominictarr> | so that you can just use you favorite text editor, and setup a shortcut that sends selected code to server. |
| 15:51:52
| <dominictarr> | currently looking into rewriting my synth stuff in C |
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| <st_luke> | payroll at $company fucked up and gave me money that didn't belong to me |
| 17:26:21
| <st_luke> | how long until they notice? |
| 17:31:19
| <dominictarr> | depends how much money. |
| 17:32:01
| <dominictarr> | probably you have enough time to skip the country and renounce your citizenship. |
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| <isaacs> | st_luke: in many cases, they just have to eat it. |
| 17:48:46
| <isaacs> | st_luke: they can't ask for it back. but they can dock your pay in the future to make up for it. |
| 17:49:31
| <isaacs> | st_luke: in the cases where they CAN ask for it back, you can say "no", and let a court decide, which may be expensive enough for them to not bother. |
| 17:49:44
| <isaacs> | (all of this is schiesty and evil, of course.) |
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| <st_luke> | isaacs: yeah, to be fair this money belongs to the stockholders |
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| <tanepiper> | welp, http://blog.nodejitsu.com/change-in-nodejitsu-leadership |
| 19:50:20
| <tanepiper> | saw that one coming |
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| <jesusabdullah> | yeah |
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| <jesusabdullah> | isaacs: will you be around later? I want to get your help with fstream and node-tar |
| 19:54:46
| <jesusabdullah> | isaacs: basically I was noobing it up while you were at summacamp |
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| <tanepiper> | st_luke: tell them - the worse is they thank you and take it back, the best they tell you to keep it |
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| <juliangruber> | what linux distributions are you guys using? |
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| <st_luke> | for? |
| 20:32:09
| <juliangruber> | developing |
| 20:32:50
| <juliangruber> | i saw a presentation by james and was wondering what he was using, because i'm considering switching back to unix and don't know yet if it shall be arch again |
| 20:33:26
| <pkrumins> | i'm using: slackware, debian, arch |
| 20:33:42
| <pkrumins> | slackware on local servers, debian on ec2 servers, arch on rackspace servers |
| 20:34:19
| <juliangruber> | i have debian running on my server too |
| 20:34:44
| <pkrumins> | ah and amazon linux too |
| 20:34:50
| <pkrumins> | actually i run debian for catonmat, and amazon linux on ec2 |
| 20:34:56
| <juliangruber> | do you have any advice for my laptop? |
| 20:35:07
| <juliangruber> | like for everyday developing tasks |
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| <pkrumins> | i dont use laptops so i don't know |
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| <juliangruber> | mkay |
| 20:35:45
| <juliangruber> | thanks :) |
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| <isaacs> | jesusabdullah: yes, eating now, will be back soonish |
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| <jesusabdullah> | isaacs: word |
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| <isaacs> | jesusabdullah: whassup |
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| <tanepiper> | smartos :p |
| 21:34:08
| <tanepiper> | but if you mean dev machine, get a mac |
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| <jesusabdullah> | isaacs: lemme get back to you XD |
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| <isaacs> | kk |
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| <tanepiper> | (seriously, i was a windows/linux user for 15 years, haven't regretted the switch to mac) |
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| <jesusabdullah> | isaacs: I found logs of examples for extracting tarballs with fstream but not so much for packing, and https://gist.github.com/3606117 was my crappy attempt at it |
| 21:39:53
| <jesusabdullah> | isaacs: any obvious advice? or a minimal example that does what I'm trying to do here? |
| 21:39:59
| <jesusabdullah> | isaacs: I'm making a package manager for openscad |
| 21:40:30
| <jesusabdullah> | isaacs: https://gist.github.com/3606189 text output from old version |
| 21:40:56
| <jesusabdullah> | isaacs: basically I'm stuck on the tar/untar stage. I started out with shelling out since I got stuck with fstream/node-tar while you were gone, but man that shit's janky |
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| <isaacs> | jesusabdullah: are there any contents in ./test |
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| <isaacs> | ? |
| 21:41:15
| <jesusabdullah> | yes |
| 21:41:22
| <jesusabdullah> | a whole mess of files |
| 21:41:34
| <jesusabdullah> | but an empty/malformed tarball |
| 21:41:35
| <isaacs> | jesusabdullah: what if you do: fstream.Reader({type:"Directory",path:path.resolve("./test")}) |
| 21:41:39
| <jesusabdullah> | hmmm |
| 21:41:44
| <jesusabdullah> | one sec, I'll give that a shot |
| 21:42:46
| <isaacs> | ah, yeah, that makes it work |
| 21:42:59
| <isaacs> | $ node f.js |
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| <isaacs> | test/fs000644 057761 000024 0000000020 12024451373010447 0ustar00000000 000000 yabba dabba doo |
| 21:43:44
| <isaacs> | man, i got node tar exactly to the point that npm needed it to be, and just haven't touched it since. |
| 21:43:47
| <isaacs> | it's so crappy |
| 21:43:51
| <isaacs> | except that it works. that bit isn't crappy. |
| 21:43:56
| <isaacs> | and is in fact rather unique. |
| 21:44:05
| <isaacs> | but the api, the api is total shit |
| 21:45:21
| <jesusabdullah> | shame on you ;) |
| 21:46:07
| <isaacs> | no, it is indeed shameful |
| 21:46:13
| <isaacs> | my hopes for node-tar were so high when i wrote it |
| 21:47:13
| <jesusabdullah> | isaacs: WORD that fuckin' worked |
| 21:47:17
| <jesusabdullah> | directory with a capital D, huh? |
| 21:47:22
| <isaacs> | yeah... |
| 21:47:27
| <jesusabdullah> | hmmm |
| 21:47:31
| <isaacs> | so you can call stat["is"+thing]() |
| 21:47:40
| <jesusabdullah> | should I, like, file some kinda report or other? |
| 21:47:43
| <jesusabdullah> | on the githubs? |
| 21:47:51
| <isaacs> | nah, just make the code beter, and send me a patch |
| 21:47:56
| <jesusabdullah> | haha |
| 21:47:58
| <jesusabdullah> | a'ight |
| 21:48:00
| <jesusabdullah> | WE'LL SEE |
| 21:48:01
| <LOUDBOT> | I LIKE RAPE |
| 21:48:01
| <isaacs> | or don't |
| 21:48:02
| <isaacs> | it's fine |
| 21:48:14
| <jesusabdullah> | yeah, I was never really down for rape y'know |
| 21:48:35
| <isaacs> | that reminds me of a terrible joke |
| 21:48:41
| <isaacs> | i can't tell it in the room |
| 21:48:43
| <isaacs> | it's too terrible |
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| <st_luke> | is it about tar? |
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| <isaacs> | nope |
| 22:05:07
| <chapel> | isaacs: I setup a server with cluster master |
| 22:05:11
| <chapel> | its pretty nice |
| 22:05:14
| <chapel> | though there is an issue |
| 22:05:46
| <isaacs> | with args? |
| 22:05:53
| <chapel> | no |
| 22:06:03
| <chapel> | its not really a huge issue with cluster master |
| 22:06:21
| <chapel> | so I found that socket.io was ignoring server.close |
| 22:06:47
| <chapel> | keeping processes alive even after getting a disconnect signal |
| 22:07:17
| <chapel> | so thats not an issue with cluster master, but cluster master will be stuck in restart mode indefinitely sometimes |
| 22:07:23
| <chapel> | the process is |
| 22:07:43
| <chapel> | restart once, it completes and signals all processes to gracefully shut down |
| 22:08:08
| <chapel> | if one or more stick, they don't die and there are more than the specified amount of processes |
| 22:08:13
| <chapel> | so if you run restart again |
| 22:08:19
| <chapel> | it will go into resize |
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| <chapel> | try to gracefully shutdown, but the callback never fires because the processes wont shut down |
| 22:08:53
| <chapel> | so restart is stuck in restart mode |
| 22:09:10
| <Raynos> | isaacs: Can we solve the naming conflict of npm by allowing me to `npm install raynos/shortname` that way you can just `npm install jquery/jquery` |
| 22:09:13
| <chapel> | and the only way to get it un stuck is to kill the offending processes or restart completely |
| 22:09:21
| <Raynos> | I've had many issues with sensible names for packages being taken by someone else |
| 22:09:31
| <Raynos> | I doubt I will have any issues with sensible names for packages being taken by myself |
| 22:09:47
| <isaacs> | Raynos: please see the item in the npm faq |
| 22:09:48
| <chapel> | isaacs: so my though was to include a timeout option that would kill a process hard if it reached a certain timeout |
| 22:10:32
| <isaacs> | chapel: i thought there was something like that already.. |
| 22:10:43
| <chapel> | not with graceful |
| 22:10:43
| <isaacs> | chapel: like, to forcibly disconnect if a process doesn't shut down |
| 22:10:50
| <isaacs> | oh, ok |
| 22:11:06
| <chapel> | it just does worker.disconnect() |
| 22:15:12
| <chapel> | what I did in my worker is monkeypatched worker.disconnect and set a timeout |
| 22:15:26
| <chapel> | that would server.emit('close') |
| 22:15:35
| <chapel> | which Im listening for |
| 22:15:41
| <isaacs> | i see |
| 22:15:48
| <chapel> | not optimal |
| 22:15:50
| <chapel> | but it works |
| 22:15:52
| <isaacs> | on disconnect it sets a timeout to call child.kill() |
| 22:17:32
| <chapel> | well |
| 22:18:03
| <chapel> | that doesn't get called until the process closes its connections |
| 22:18:58
| <chapel> | https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/v0.8.9/lib/cluster.js#L437 |
| 22:19:21
| <chapel> | that doesn't get called until all of the server listeners are closed |
| 22:21:31
| <chapel> | and for some odd reason socket.io holds up that process |
| 22:22:58
| <isaacs> | right |
| 22:23:01
| <isaacs> | because it has open sockets |
| 22:23:15
| <chapel> | I also tried closing them manually |
| 22:23:23
| <chapel> | but it still wasn't exiting |
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| 22:29:38
| <chapel> | anyways isaacs not entirely a problem with cluster master |
| 22:29:48
| <substack> | st_luke: so I'm booking a flight to dublin right now |
| 22:29:50
| <chapel> | but it might be good to have a hard timeout on graceful restarts |
| 22:30:08
| <substack> | st_luke: I could have the return leg go to nyc for empirejs instead of sfo |
| 22:30:30
| <substack> | then right after empire be in portland for krt |
| 22:30:52
| <st_luke> | substack: do it |
| 22:30:52
| <substack> | cutting it pretty close though |
| 22:30:59
| <st_luke> | if you're up for it |
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| 22:34:20
| <substack> | st_luke: ok doing this! |
| 22:35:02
| <st_luke> | i'll let charlie know we're adding another speaker, he loves surprises |
| 22:35:31
| <substack> | haha ok |
| 22:35:50
| <st_luke> | are you speaking the 23rd or 24th in portland? |
| 22:35:56
| <substack> | unsure |
| 22:36:13
| <substack> | coast to coast is only a few hours though |
| 22:36:45
| <substack> | I'll message adam to figure out the best time |
| 22:37:12
| <st_luke> | cool |
| 22:37:41
| <substack> | sweetness, I've never been to nyc |
| 22:37:54
| <substack> | only rochester |
| 22:38:08
| <st_luke> | conferences are an awesome excuse to visit a new city |
| 22:38:13
| <substack> | yep |
| 22:38:46
| <substack> | I have so much production-grade demos and art now you have no idea |
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| 22:38:51
| <st_luke> | I would have never checked out sf, oakland and portland if it wasn't for conferences |
| 22:38:53
| <st_luke> | sounds awesome |
| 22:39:07
| <substack> | and it's modular so I can more easily bust out subcomponents tailored to the particular talk |
| 22:39:28
| <substack> | Great news! We have found an even lower fare for this itinerary. Book now to take advantage of this fare before it expires. |
| 22:39:31
| <substack> | love that message |
| 22:39:32
| <st_luke> | people that go to tech events in nyc are kinda used to seeing really boring talks |
| 22:39:37
| <st_luke> | even if the info is good, the talk is kinda boring |
| 22:39:49
| <substack> | well there aren't many super interesting talks in sf either |
| 22:39:58
| <substack> | except for tacoconf of course |
| 22:40:13
| <st_luke> | maybe I'm just used to going to really good conferences and stuff |
| 22:40:19
| <substack> | highly likely |
| 22:40:34
| <substack> | yeah a lot of confs are just kind of terrible is all |
| 22:41:34
| <st_luke> | for conferences I've only really been to small events where the organizers go out of their way to make sure it's a really worthwhile experience from all fronts |
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| <st_luke> | so my expectations are skewed |
| 22:42:42
| <pkrumins> | all the conferences. all the time. |
| 22:43:12
| <st_luke> | taco conf was the first 'real' conference I've been to. node philly was more of a meetup |
| 22:43:47
| <substack> | ok so I'll get into nyc on the 21st |
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| 22:44:19
| <st_luke> | cool, if you're not too tired we have a pre-party at the brooklyn brewery |
| 22:45:24
| <st_luke> | we're finishing up some arrangements for hotel stuff, I'll send you an email once your room is booked |
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| <st_luke> | substack: perfect picture for the website: http://instagram.com/p/KlNi7bQ7y3/ |
| 22:50:35
| <jibay_> | hello all, very nice work browserling :) i dont think that we can embed browser in browser |
| 22:52:14
| <substack> | jibay_: it's just <canvas> with some silly frontend tricks is all |
| 22:52:22
| <substack> | and a lot of backend complexity |
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| <substack> | flight booked! |
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| <tanepiper> | ugh |
| 22:54:39
| <tanepiper> | security dump-keychain -d ~/Library/Keychains/login.keychain |
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| <chapel> | lol tanepiper |
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| <jibay_> | substack: lol i guess lot of backend complexity :) , i think it is also hard to listen all javascript events and replay these events |
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