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08:59:15  <substack>mbalho: I have a js program that plays pythagorean triplets
09:04:37  <substack>https://gist.github.com/3864242
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09:19:21  <mbalho>http://pandacycles.de/short-cuts/barlin-pedalbattle/
09:20:57  <mbalho>substack: wanna hack somewhere
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10:16:07  <mbalho>substack: im goin to a couchdb meetup at co_up earlier on in the evening then i'll go to cbase
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10:46:26  <dominictarr>substack, where are you? I rang the c-base door bell but nothing happened. I'm in the cafe near the c-base enterance. good soup here.
10:47:44  <substack>yeah same
10:48:20  <substack>dominictarr: I'm at st oberholz at rosenthalerplatz
10:48:43  <substack>I rang the bell earlier but the guy said they're closed until later like 4pm or 8pm
10:50:39  <dominictarr>oh, right. is that your hostel?
10:51:37  <substack>no just a place I noticed yesterday with lots of laptops
10:51:46  <substack>they have wifi and powerstrips on the floor
10:52:01  <Altreus>Now that I've become more comfortable with vim's motion specifiers, pkrumins's post on surround.vim makes way more sense and now I can actually understand how to do it! ^_^
10:52:57  <dominictarr>substack, there are good coworking spaces south of the river betahaus is good, near moritzplatz on U8
10:53:11  <substack>oh neat
10:53:12  <dominictarr>coworking/cafe
10:55:15  <dominictarr>how late is that place open till?
10:55:27  <dominictarr>(the place you are at)
10:55:37  <Altreus>pkrumins is the helpfulest kit :3
10:56:21  <substack>dominictarr: it was open at 20:00 last night as I was walking around
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10:56:40  <dominictarr>that is good, I will come over after I finish my soup.
10:57:02  <substack>the door says it's open until 02:00
11:01:36  <dominictarr>substack, problem; what is a good way of making a program that you can order to update it self automatically.
11:02:16  <dominictarr>when you copy a file with tar, does it keep the modified time?
11:02:44  <substack>what do you need the mtime for?
11:04:35  <dominictarr>need something to settle conflicts.
11:04:38  <dominictarr>during replication.
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11:07:59  <substack>dominictarr: marie says come by c-base at 18:00
11:08:08  <dominictarr>okay cool
11:11:38  <dominictarr>substack, how is the wifi there?
11:11:48  <substack>pretty good
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11:17:07  <dominictarr>hmm, so time mtime is with respect to the OS.
11:18:14  <dominictarr>so I'm gonna need a header of some sort... so that I have a global header with respect to a hash or something.
11:19:01  <dominictarr>or maybe store headers beside the file...
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11:20:41  <dominictarr>need a non sucky method of replicated files, and the unix tools arn't don't have the assumption of commutativity built in.
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11:21:44  <mbalho>substack: oh sweet ill go to oberholz, i think it is open till midnight
11:24:40  <substack>sweet!
11:24:45  <substack>past midnight even
11:24:54  <dominictarr>hmm, or maybe have a directory of replicated files, and an append only manifest with the header info.
11:28:23  <dominictarr>then when you do replication, hand shake the headers, then exchange the files that are old.
11:29:46  <dominictarr>okay, I'm on my way over, see you guys soon.
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11:30:08  <substack>\o
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18:43:23  <fotoverite>yay!
18:43:27  <st_luke>sweet
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20:07:46  <Raynos>substack: does optimist handle `--` ?
20:09:00  <substack>Raynos: yes
20:09:29  <Raynos>I want `cmd file -- node foo/bar.js`
20:09:35  <Raynos>I guess I can just have two files
20:11:09  <Raynos>I see
20:11:35  <Raynos>substack: I have no way knowing where the -- is with `cmd a b -- c d`
20:14:18  <substack>process.argv.slice(2).indexOf('--')
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20:48:42  <Raynos>substack: https://github.com/substack/node-ap/pull/3
20:48:45  <Raynos>Kind of need that
20:49:42  <Raynos>substack: just give me ownership of it :p
20:49:59  <Raynos>npm owner add raynos ap
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20:52:31  <mbalho>sup grl
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20:52:51  <dominictarr>substack, hij1nx here we are
20:52:59  <substack>beep boop
20:53:32  <hij1nx>so...
20:53:51  <mbalho>wats ur git thang do n e weighs
20:53:54  <hij1nx>re: three part talk? progressively building on something might be cool
20:53:54  <substack>for dublin I'm going to deploy code on everybody's machine
20:54:08  <Raynos>what
20:54:10  <substack>and use scuttlebutt to replicate the server list
20:54:13  <dominictarr>okay, so I'm gonna speak about streams. specifically, about connecting abstractions together with duplex streams.
20:54:58  <dominictarr>which will make building "scalable networked applications" as easy as "duplo blocks and coloring with crayons"
20:55:04  <hij1nx>mbalho: im just getting started, its going to be streaming git, implemented in js
20:55:15  <mbalho>kewl
20:55:35  <substack>then I was going to use a deterministic algorithm for each node to self-determine its role
20:55:46  <Raynos>dominictarr: the biggest problem of scalable networked applications is the network structure
20:55:52  <Raynos>you cant have all nodes talk to all nodes.
20:55:55  <substack>and the servers will randomly crash but the network will still be robust
20:55:57  <Raynos>You need something more clever.
20:56:00  <Raynos>Write a module to do it
20:56:11  <hij1nx>substack: ok, i could change my talk and go first, that way i can talk about `d`
20:56:21  <dominictarr>Raynos, have you read dynamo yet?
20:56:27  <Raynos>dominictarr: no >_>
20:56:28  <hij1nx>i was going to demonstrate building something similar to skuttlebut
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20:56:40  <hij1nx>since i've done that already with orchestrion
20:56:47  <dominictarr>Raynos, it explains quite a good way to manage topology.
20:56:57  <Raynos>can we have a module for different topologies
20:57:28  <dominictarr>Raynos, there are a couple of cases,
20:57:31  <hij1nx>Raynos: abstract away networks, they are hostie
20:57:44  <dominictarr>MAKE THE CLOUD MORE FLUFFY
20:57:45  <LOUDBOT>IT KNOWS WHO WE ARE
20:57:45  <hij1nx>s/hostie/hostile/
20:58:06  <dominictarr>yeah.
20:58:16  <dominictarr>Raynos, so there are a few different situations...
20:58:40  <dominictarr>1) you want every node to know about every other node - say, that it exists.
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20:59:25  <dominictarr>2) you have a service that is distributed across a set of nodes, but only a particular node or subset is responsible for a particular item of data
21:00:04  <dominictarr>... and that node is identified deterministically. like with a hash ring.
21:00:52  <dominictarr>3) you have a node or nodes where a specific node(s) is responsible for service(s). kinda like seaport.
21:01:48  <dominictarr>there are usecases for all of the above. maybe some extra cases that I havn't though of yet...
21:02:09  <dominictarr>anyway, Raynos you need to read dynamo.
21:03:47  <mbalho>dominictarr: put dynamo in smalldata repo plz
21:04:23  <fotoverite>gRaphael isn't easy as it looks. i've had issues getting plots to work the way I want.
21:04:32  <fotoverite>I think they are comparable early on.
21:06:09  <hij1nx>dominictarr: substack ok, so. seems maybe like our order is backwards, should i go, then dominic then sub?
21:06:41  <mbalho>woa its berg man
21:06:55  <mbalho>fotoverite: @jllord has said similar things to me about graphael
21:07:36  <fotoverite>mbalho: yeah I find d3 really exciting. That was actually a misplaced aim though. :P
21:08:08  <mbalho>d3 is exciting but if you need cross browser it isnt
21:11:00  <dominictarr>I thought d3 was just visualization? why is it anything to do with cross browser?
21:15:16  <fotoverite>Issues with ie7 and ie8
21:15:34  <fotoverite>of course ie6 but what the fuck actually works in it these days.
21:20:13  <dominictarr>fotoverite, check this out http://www.uselesspickles.com/triangles/
21:21:10  <fotoverite>The tripod level graphics!
21:21:19  <fotoverite>I'm back in highschool
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21:21:39  <st_luke>I've been using d3 a lot lately, I appreciate it.
21:22:46  <dominictarr>fotoverite, pixel graphics is getting played out, time for vectors.
21:22:47  <st_luke>I don't care about supporting IE 7 or 8, however. If you're using a crappy dated browser you don't get the cool stuff and should expect a broken mess.
21:23:02  <dominictarr>or, use a java applet.
21:23:14  <fotoverite>java applets! So 1999 of you
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21:23:20  <mbalho>ಠ_ಠ
21:23:27  <fotoverite>I think we need to continue to support ie8 a bit still
21:23:36  <fotoverite>ie7 can die a quick death
21:23:38  <st_luke>no we don't
21:23:41  <fotoverite>Yes more vectors
21:23:50  <st_luke>IE 8 was released over 3 and a half years ago.
21:23:55  <fotoverite>Alright depends on the product, some do some don't
21:24:04  <dominictarr>also, I just heard about this thing FLASH it's based on ecma script 4.
21:24:34  <dominictarr>sounds pretty cool. of course, it has to be
21:24:45  <dominictarr>because 4 is the first non-prime number.
21:24:46  <st_luke>dominictarr: can I use it on my cellular telephone?
21:25:21  <dominictarr>don't know. my phone only does ascii.
21:26:13  <dominictarr>maybe you can run a emulator in java applet.
21:27:05  <dominictarr>st_luke, fotoverite check this out http://bellard.org/jslinux/
21:27:21  <st_luke>dominictarr: I've seen that, pretty awesome
21:27:53  <fotoverite>No sudo :(
21:28:03  <dominictarr>maybe you are root already?
21:28:07  <fotoverite>I wanted to sudo rm -fr /*
21:28:17  <st_luke>cd
21:28:19  <st_luke>er
21:28:20  <st_luke>sorry
21:28:27  <st_luke>yeah you're already root fotoverite
21:28:44  <st_luke>my favorite thing is how it supports ctrl keyboard commands
21:28:48  <st_luke>like ctrl+l
21:28:50  <st_luke>for `clear`
21:28:54  <fotoverite>they're marked as readonly oh well, Enough trolling
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