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03:03:26  <substack>hilarious http://www.amazon.com/Ready-Player-One-ebook/dp/B004J4WKUQ/ref=tmm_kin_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1350769340&sr=8-1
03:19:06  <dools>the king of easter eggs!
03:21:02  <dools>that book look sweet, also that guy won a delorean
03:23:57  <dools>haha this is sweet: http://www.g4tv.com/videos/60557/ready-player-one-author-ernest-clines-delorean-giveaway/
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04:40:49  <chapel>substack: thats great
04:44:54  <jesusabdullah>ahahaha
04:45:31  <jesusabdullah>"okay this is typical sci-fi schlock--waitaminute"
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04:58:55  <chapel>wonder if there was a purpose behind the name
04:59:02  <chapel>does substack like the 80st?
04:59:04  <chapel>80s
05:16:21  <dools>80st: someone who doesn't believe in the 90s
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06:35:39  <Raynos>DSL
06:35:41  <Raynos>ITS A DSL
06:35:41  <LOUDBOT>STAY A WHILE AND LISTEN
06:35:42  <Raynos>;-;
06:35:51  <Raynos>You know your doing it wrong
06:35:55  <Raynos>once you start writing DSLs
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06:48:32  <jesusabdullah>where is this dsl
06:48:51  <jesusabdullah>some dsl's are alright
06:48:55  <jesusabdullah>like R
06:48:58  <jesusabdullah>and tonescript
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07:04:23  <dools>sql, html ....
07:04:39  <dools>regex
07:06:01  <jesusabdullah>the problem usually occurs when the dsl isn't well-scoped
07:06:19  <jesusabdullah>like, regex and sql are fairly well-scoped
07:06:28  <jesusabdullah>but, for examples, R and MATLAB
07:06:43  <jesusabdullah>at some point these things take on the properties of general purpose languages
07:07:10  <jesusabdullah>so you can either just BE a general purpose language with some nice primitives, or you can have bizarre syntax that your language outgrew
07:07:14  <jesusabdullah>or somewhere in between
07:07:17  <dools>haha like excel macros
07:07:33  <dools>although i think that may be more the fault of people who use excel macros ;)
07:14:15  <jesusabdullah>ah there's another one
07:14:30  <jesusabdullah>the cell formula DSL
07:34:52  <Raynos>jesusabdullah: its in my code
07:35:06  <Raynos>https://gist.github.com/240e17bd759cefde02bd
07:35:31  <jesusabdullah>what the fuck is that
07:35:45  <jesusabdullah>is that an embedded dsl
07:36:05  <jesusabdullah>see now you're coming in from the other side
07:36:26  <jesusabdullah>at some point you're trying to make a general purpose language bend over backwards to try and fit some alternate syntax model or some shit
07:37:32  <jesusabdullah>and then it's like, you can either fight it and end up with a really awkward api, or you can go with the flow and end up with something kinda like jquery
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08:15:05  <jesusabdullah>Raynos: I think with something that closely tied together with html you kinda get hosed
08:15:22  <jesusabdullah>Raynos: cause of the impedence mismatch
08:15:24  <jesusabdullah>or whatevs
08:19:48  <Raynos>jesusabdullah: It's the same as weld / plates
08:22:48  <jesusabdullah>yeah, exactly
08:22:52  <jesusabdullah>you're kinda fucked
08:31:55  <Raynos>Why?
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09:10:07  <Raynos>http://raynos.github.com/todo-stream/static/index.html
09:10:08  <Raynos>blargh
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09:28:40  <dools>templating is for noobs
09:28:51  <guybrush_>i like jade :p
09:29:32  <guybrush_>also dsls are not bad
09:29:34  <dools>i've actually done a few projects with dom templating recently - it's fucking incredible
09:29:48  <dools>it completely solves everything to do with everythign
09:29:52  <dools>world hunger even
09:29:58  <guybrush_>haha
09:30:07  <guybrush_>i thought xml solved that already
09:30:20  <dools>yeah that's what i'm saying: everything in HTML
09:30:24  <dools>then:
09:30:34  <dools>$object = load_from_dom_however_you_want($file);
09:30:44  <dools>doSomeMadManipulations($object);
09:30:53  <dools>print_somehow($object);
09:31:02  <guybrush_>xsl!
09:31:06  <dools>your html remains pure, untouched, and malleable by even the cheapest of designers
09:31:19  <dools>yeah basically, except no-one in the world knows xsl
09:31:38  <guybrush_>i really was into xslt some time ago
09:31:42  <dools>but there are about 230,000 coders on odesk that know how to do dom manipulations in php
09:31:56  <dools>and about another 200,000 who know how to cut psds into html and css
09:32:02  <dools>and another 200,000 who know how to make wicked psds
09:32:12  <guybrush_>xml in php is actually not so bad
09:32:24  <dools>yeah it's one of my favourite things about the language
09:32:30  <dools>that and the date/time stuff
09:33:22  <guybrush_>i agree
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16:26:28  <dominictarr>substack, ping?
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