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| <chrisdickinson> | woot: http://ci.testling.com/chrisdickinson/cssauron-html |
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| <substack> | oh excellent |
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| <substack> | except for chrome and the others aren't showing up on the latest commit |
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| <chrisdickinson> | haha, yeah, i think it's just getting a bit laggy -- was wondering that myself initially since i hit the browser badge url and all of 'em showed up, then realized "oh duh, it's because i added a commit to change the readme" |
| 00:18:22
| <chrisdickinson> | so, the preference is to run tape directly, but in my experience with plate / cssauron-html, it's been hard to get debugging information out of the failing tests with vanilla tape |
| 00:18:59
| <chrisdickinson> | also, it's sort of surprising (coming from other test frameworks) that a failing test doesn't throw an exception -- the test case will keep on chugging until it finishes |
| 00:19:15
| <substack> | the browsers weren't being killed |
| 00:19:17
| <substack> | is why |
| 00:19:22
| <substack> | so they got all backed up |
| 00:19:24
| <substack> | cleaning up |
| 00:19:33
| <chrisdickinson> | ah, sorry about that! |
| 00:20:22
| <isaacs> | mbalho: https://twitter.com/lawnrocket/status/284453438362906624 |
| 00:20:50
| <substack> | ok all cleaned up |
| 00:22:33
| <chrisdickinson> | (sorry for the exposition, just wanted to maybe add a data point in the "using ci.testling.com" experience, if that helps.) |
| 00:22:52
| <substack> | it's great! |
| 00:24:05
| <chrisdickinson> | (for instance, with plate, it's hard to tell where things are going wrong on older browsers: http://ci.testling.com/chrisdickinson/plate) |
| 00:24:36
| <chrisdickinson> | admittedly, plate's a bit large for a standalone node module. |
| 00:26:00
| <chrisdickinson> | oof, just got a weird error when trying to rebuild plate, too |
| 00:26:07
| <chrisdickinson> | "npm ERR! error rolling back Error: ENOTEMPTY, rmdir '/home/chrisdickinson/repos/66aaf08dfc7d58f744076a55a4388a1157d07ec8.1356654466643/node_modules/testling/node_modules/browserify/test/wrap'" |
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| <mbalho> | isaacs: :D! |
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| <chrisdickinson> | substack: any idea what's going on here: http://ci.testling.com/chrisdickinson/plate ? |
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| <substack> | not sure |
| 00:57:45
| <chrisdickinson> | i don't think it's anything i changed |
| 01:07:03
| <chrisdickinson> | substack: next question: how would one go about using https://github.com/substack/node-shimify on the command line? |
| 01:10:30
| <substack> | just use cat |
| 01:10:54
| <substack> | cat shim.js <(browserify main.js) |
| 01:10:57
| <substack> | > bundle.js |
| 01:13:01
| <chrisdickinson> | ah |
| 01:13:06
| <chrisdickinson> | -p seems to work too? |
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| <substack> | plugins will be completely different in v2.0 |
| 01:14:19
| <substack> | best to not get attached to them |
| 01:14:24
| <chrisdickinson> | 'kk |
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| 01:31:35
| <chrisdickinson> | substack: is there a way to tell ci.testling.com that you need shimify? |
| 01:32:08
| <chrisdickinson> | also, sorry for bugging you so much! |
| 01:33:09
| <substack> | chrisdickinson: put it in the scripts field |
| 01:33:15
| <chrisdickinson> | ah, awesome, thanks |
| 01:33:46
| <substack> | although I think showing a green badge for a browser that needs shims is misleading |
| 01:34:18
| <substack> | better off not including browsers that need shims at all |
| 01:34:36
| <substack> | or just inlining the shim functions |
| 01:34:39
| <substack> | there aren't very many |
| 01:34:49
| <substack> | isArray, forEach, map, filter |
| 01:34:53
| <substack> | bind perhaps |
| 01:42:53
| <mbalho> | substack: https://github.com/maxogden/blocking |
| 01:43:43
| <mbalho> | substack: you have to click a bit before stuff appears |
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| <chrisdickinson> | substack: so, the problem is that browserify's "events" module uses Array#indexOf |
| 01:54:46
| <chrisdickinson> | my module goes out of its way not to use that, but tape uses it :| |
| 01:56:42
| <chrisdickinson> | hilarity abounds: "this.setTimeout = function() { … }", where "this" === "window" is totally okay in IE, all versions. setTimeout = function() { } is broken in IE<=8. |
| 01:56:59
| <isaacs> | st_luke: why is this not your avatar everywhere? http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthewbergman/8123827845/in/photostream/lightbox/ |
| 01:57:22
| <chrisdickinson> | though, plate appears to be okay most everywhere now: http://ci.testling.com/chrisdickinson/plate |
| 01:58:20
| <st_luke> | isaacs: it might be too intense |
| 01:58:34
| <isaacs> | st_luke: NO IT IS PERHAPS INTENSE ENOUGH |
| 01:59:37
| <chrisdickinson> | also, it appears to have choked. not processing safari at all, nor ie9, nor ff4. |
| 02:00:03
| <chrisdickinson> | st_luke: is that… mid-tackle? |
| 02:00:43
| <st_luke> | chrisdickinson: go to the next one in the set |
| 02:01:53
| <st_luke> | I don't remember what was happening, I think maybe nuno was trying to kiss me. he's portuguese. |
| 02:05:00
| <chrisdickinson> | mbalho: working on some stuff so that you can `require` your glsl modules and get a JS getter/setter object for uniforms |
| 02:05:02
| <chrisdickinson> | also, neat! |
| 02:05:34
| <chrisdickinson> | (ideally it'll work with https://github.com/chrisdickinson/texture.js and friends.) |
| 02:07:01
| <st_luke> | isaacs: ok updated |
| 02:07:09
| <st_luke> | PREPARE FOR INTENSE GRAVATAR ACTION |
| 02:07:09
| <LOUDBOT> | WHO ARE YOU TO CRITICIZE ME? |
| 02:13:44
| <mbalho> | chrisdickinson: whoa texture.js is cool, i havent even tried to make webgl work in node, is support pretty good? |
| 02:14:13
| <chrisdickinson> | mbalho: it's kind of new territory, it seems! |
| 02:14:22
| <mbalho> | ya i was just looking into it today |
| 02:14:23
| <chrisdickinson> | mbalho: but i'm working on a few projects to make it better, hopefully! |
| 02:14:33
| <chrisdickinson> | http://github.com/chrisdickinson/glslify |
| 02:14:33
| <mbalho> | also there is a webcl spec in progress |
| 02:14:41
| <chrisdickinson> | i know, i'm super excited about it. |
| 02:14:56
| <chrisdickinson> | (glslify is basically browserify for glsl) |
| 02:15:25
| <chrisdickinson> | working on "programify" to generate JS files that export programs with the aforementioned getters/setters for uniforms |
| 02:15:46
| <mbalho> | whoa |
| 02:16:09
| <chrisdickinson> | devongovett is working on something that translates glsl to js for non-webgl enabled browsers (something that's kind of on my list too) |
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| <mbalho> | haha |
| 02:16:48
| <chrisdickinson> | but yeah, it's definitely a space that needs to be filled on npm |
| 02:21:14
| <chrisdickinson> | mbalho: belatedly, an example program using glslify: http://glsl.heroku.com/e#5174.0 |
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| <isaacs> | st_luke: did you cla? |
| 02:31:04
| <isaacs> | st_luke: http://nodejs.org/cla.html |
| 02:31:06
| <isaacs> | st_luke: you can do it onlien |
| 02:31:19
| <mbalho> | substack: https://github.com/mbostock/topojson/wiki/Specification |
| 02:34:57
| <st_luke> | isaacs: done |
| 02:35:01
| <st_luke> | can I print that out and hang it on the wall? |
| 02:36:39
| <isaacs> | st_luke: no, it's a violation of the cla |
| 02:36:54
| <isaacs> | st_luke: actually, you're not allowed to use a printer ever again |
| 02:36:59
| <isaacs> | sry |
| 02:37:41
| <isaacs> | NO TAKEBACKS! |
| 02:37:41
| <LOUDBOT> | MAYBE IT IS WORTH ETTING KICKED IF YOU WANT TO QUOTE THAT BAD |
| 02:40:08
| <isaacs> | st_luke: too bad you're not in #libuv or #Node.js |
| 02:40:21
| <isaacs> | 02:42 < MI6> joyent/node: Luke Arduini master * 192192a : Colorize API stabilitity index headers in docs Noted in @shtylman's #389 - http://git.io/7wmCkw |
| 02:40:57
| <st_luke> | isaacs: I'm in #node.js! |
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| <fotoverite> | I think I might make it my mission to get every nodejs dev to have a avatar taken by me |
| 02:56:32
| <fotoverite> | Is that possible I wonder. |
| 02:56:38
| <fotoverite> | Also Colorizer for the win! |
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| <mbalho> | i only do hand drawn avatars now |
| 03:29:20
| <fotoverite> | :/ though I think Substack would be harder now to get. |
| 03:31:13
| <substack> | isaacs: `npm-search` shows up in the search results but when I try to install it I get npm ERR! 404 'npm-search' is not in the npm registry. |
| 03:31:26
| <substack> | tj why you gotta unpublish |
| 03:33:00
| <rvagg_> | I don't think you can ever ask 'why' of tj |
| 03:33:12
| <fotoverite> | Feel the same about DHH |
| 03:34:45
| <substack> | unpublishing bad ideas is a bad idea |
| 03:34:56
| <substack> | the best argument against the bad idea is to implement it well |
| 03:35:35
| <fotoverite> | what about deprecating bad ideas to a namespace? |
| 03:37:35
| <chrisdickinson> | http://i.imgur.com/wpESs.png |
| 03:37:40
| <chrisdickinson> | (woo hand drawn avatars.) |
| 03:38:04
| <chrisdickinson> | (disclaimer: i live in portland, if that makes the text make any more sense.) |
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| <chrisdickinson> | substack: any thoughts re: Array#indexOf being brought in with the events module in tape (through its dependence on the stream builtin module)? |
| 03:42:26
| <substack> | chrisdickinson: https://github.com/substack/node-browserify/commit/a09aab7f2a6280834ca84765c2ba342ad7fdab2b |
| 03:42:29
| <substack> | upgrade |
| 03:43:00
| <substack> | testling-ci is on browserify 1.16.6 |
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| <chrisdickinson> | ah, cool |
| 03:44:03
| <chrisdickinson> | hmm |
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| <Raynos> | substack: tj unpublished because I asked for the name then didnt do antyhing |
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| <substack> | ! |
| 04:26:56
| <substack> | asking for names, how quaint! |
| 04:27:06
| <substack> | there are so many possible names |
| 04:27:08
| <substack> | just take one |
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| <chrisdickinson> | substack: do you have a library for requestAnimationFrame? |
| 04:39:10
| <substack> | nope |
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| <jden> | fotoverite: my current fb profile pic was taken by you at cascadia |
| 04:46:42
| <fotoverite> | 1 down 500 to go |
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| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: what name? |
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| <jden> | perchance, anyone know whom I should ask about problems running couchdb on ec2? |
| 04:54:42
| <mbalho> | yea jasonsmith |
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| <mbalho> | in #couchdb |
| 04:54:54
| <mbalho> | or just use iriscouch |
| 04:56:31
| <jden> | hmm, that would be a good person to ask :) it's his gist I'm having trouble with |
| 04:57:05
| <chrisdickinson> | substack: :D https://github.com/chrisdickinson/raf |
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| <st_luke> | jden: what's the issue? |
| 04:59:27
| <jden> | st_luke: compiled from source on stock AMI, stuck in a crash loop at startup, and I'm not sure what to make of the erlang stacktrace in the logs |
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| <st_luke> | jden: are you running out of memory? are you starting couch with the binary or via an init script? any luck stracing it? |
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| <st_luke> | what distro is the ami based on? |
| 05:02:13
| <jden> | hmmm... memory! I'm running on a micro, this sounds like a promising avenue of inquiry. Amazon's AMIs are based on RHEL |
| 05:02:49
| <st_luke> | I hate running couch on rhel personally |
| 05:03:27
| <jden> | any particular hangups? |
| 05:04:00
| <st_luke> | dependencies |
| 05:04:05
| <st_luke> | cat /etc/issue |
| 05:04:05
| <st_luke> | ? |
| 05:05:41
| <st_luke> | but if you're using the iriscouch batteries included script thing then that should be taken care of |
| 05:09:42
| <jden> | starting from scratch with a fresh instance. let's see if this goes better. |
| 05:10:22
| <st_luke> | well |
| 05:10:30
| <st_luke> | doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results |
| 05:10:48
| <jden> | that's the trick: doing new things |
| 05:11:22
| <st_luke> | is there any particular reason you're doing it on rhel? |
| 05:11:57
| <st_luke> | if you're going to build it again try something new! |
| 05:12:48
| <jden> | everything at work is on AWS running stock AMIs on EC2. I'm trying to 1) set up stuff that will place nice and 2) learn more about our existing stuff. |
| 05:13:17
| <jden> | I'm new to sysadmin stuff. Don't tell anyone, but I'm a recovering .Net developer |
| 05:13:56
| <fotoverite> | why a micro? |
| 05:14:06
| <fotoverite> | they really have trouble compiling a lot of shit. |
| 05:14:57
| <jden> | fotoverite: doesn't have to be, I guess. didn't figure I needed anything more |
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| <defunctzombie> | jden: don't start with aws |
| 05:15:51
| <defunctzombie> | aws is very complicated and not a good place to start imho |
| 05:16:01
| <defunctzombie> | jden: just get a small VPS from linode or rackspace |
| 05:16:03
| <defunctzombie> | and have at it |
| 05:16:22
| <dools> | yeah aws is weird |
| 05:17:09
| <jden> | YCombinator is such a monoculture. you're not truly YC if you're not running AWS and mixpanel :/ |
| 05:17:52
| <dools> | it's a monoculture for more reasons than that :) |
| 05:17:58
| <st_luke> | my favorite thing about aws is the uptime |
| 05:18:43
| <dools> | because even though their uptime sucks balls, at least everyone else is down, too? |
| 05:19:16
| <jden> | no one ever got fired for being down when AWS was down? |
| 05:19:48
| <st_luke> | actually I don't know why people use aws. there are cheap/reliable VPSs all over the place. maybe I'm biased because I've worked in the industry for so long. |
| 05:19:51
| <st_luke> | anyway, time to get a taco |
| 05:20:28
| <jden> | st_luke: AWS gives YC companies multiple tens of thousands of dollars of hosting credits :/ |
| 05:23:20
| <dools> | ah! really |
| 05:23:45
| <dools> | we have a similar thing at this networking/co-working hub fishburners.org in sydney ... this company called ninefold juices everyone up with $100 credit |
| 05:25:37
| <jden> | but look at the stock photograph on their website! grafiti! bmx! they're so edgy! |
| 05:26:05
| <jden> | s/photograph/photography/ |
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| <fotoverite> | st_luke: what taco truck these days? |
| 05:38:31
| <st_luke> | I'm not really sure of the name of it, it hangs around n7 late at night |
| 05:38:40
| <st_luke> | it's pretty cold in ny right now, not a bad time to be unemployed |
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| <pkrumins> | isaacs: is there a way to run npm and force it not to use cache? |
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| <isaacs> | pkrumins: well, the "cache" is just where it downloads stuff |
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| <isaacs> | pkrumins: but you can force it to use a different cache |
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| <isaacs> | pkrumins: by doing --cache=/some/other/folder |
| 17:39:55
| <pkrumins> | oh i see, i'll then just --cache=/home/user/.npm/random_dir |
| 17:40:17
| <pkrumins> | the problem is cache often gets messed up, and npm doesnt know that, so all subsequent builds who depend on a messed up module will fail |
| 17:42:03
| <pkrumins> | isaacs: more awesome would be if i could do --cache=none |
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| <fotoverite> | ++ pkrumins |
| 17:44:52
| <isaacs> | pkrumins: right, but like i said, it's not JUST a cache. it's a working dir. it's where npm unpacks stuff. |
| 17:45:06
| <isaacs> | pkrumins: it actually does need that dir to function |
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| <pkrumins> | oh |
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| <defunctzombie> | isaacs: why not just use /tmp ? |
| 17:45:27
| <isaacs> | pkrumins: you can do --cache=./foo and then rm -rf foo after the command |
| 17:45:42
| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: because /tmp is often a very small memmapped volume |
| 17:45:53
| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: and npm is a lot faster if you DO keep the cache around |
| 17:46:01
| <isaacs> | because couchdb is great at serving 304s |
| 17:46:02
| <defunctzombie> | gotcha |
| 17:46:07
| <defunctzombie> | hahaha |
| 17:47:54
| <pkrumins> | chrisdickinson, can you try running your test now? i want to see if it works now |
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| <mbalho> | someone show this to dominic http://blog.makerbar.com/?p=254 |
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| 19:18:52
| <chrisdickinson> | pkrumins: sorry for the delay, but are you talking about the plate tests? |
| 19:19:46
| <pkrumins> | yes plate. |
| 19:20:06
| <pkrumins> | i just checked http://ci.testling.com/chrisdickinson/plate and it seems it's working for the last test |
| 19:20:28
| <pkrumins> | but it would still be nice if you ran one test |
| 19:20:33
| <chrisdickinson> | for some reason IE8 didn't report any results. just bumped the version |
| 19:21:01
| <chrisdickinson> | solved it by removing "testling" and "platoon" from devDeps |
| 19:21:19
| <chrisdickinson> | thanks for looking into it! |
| 19:21:37
| <pkrumins> | i made testling-ci not to cache npm module |
| 19:21:38
| <pkrumins> | i made testling-ci not to cache npm modules |
| 19:21:42
| <pkrumins> | which i thought was the problem |
| 19:22:01
| * chrisdickinson | nods |
| 19:24:36
| <pkrumins> | not looking good |
| 19:26:00
| <chrisdickinson> | yeah, weird. so opera 10 reports ok, but it's only running 35 tests, while opera 12 runs 'em all and fails on just one. |
| 19:26:08
| <pkrumins> | yes just 35 |
| 19:26:18
| <pkrumins> | i'm in the logs right now trying to understand what happened |
| 19:26:41
| <pkrumins> | i'm seeing just 34 tests in the logs too |
| 19:26:54
| <chrisdickinson> | hmmm |
| 19:27:04
| <pkrumins> | but it says 35 in the ui |
| 19:27:35
| <chrisdickinson> | seems like there's an odd race condition happening somewhere. |
| 19:28:22
| <chrisdickinson> | i've actually been creating the bundle by hand and running it in IE8 / FF3 / chrome latest directly and they seem to pass all the tests |
| 19:28:27
| <chrisdickinson> | i should probably re-check that |
| 19:33:01
| <chrisdickinson> | could it be hitting the "unresponsive script" dialog, maybe? |
| 19:33:23
| <chrisdickinson> | (my hand-compiled bundle passes on IE8 with 1071 tests) |
| 19:33:41
| <chrisdickinson> | (there'll be a little variance as a few of them test a random number of iterations.) |
| 19:34:28
| <pkrumins> | i disabled unresponsive script error in some IEs |
| 19:34:31
| <pkrumins> | but i now forgot which |
| 19:37:24
| <st_luke> | hij1nx: nice vines logo |
| 19:41:30
| <st_luke> | defunctzombie: are you still considering doing that animation library? |
| 19:53:33
| <defunctzombie> | st_luke: yea, mostly cause I still have not found a good solution to slideup/down :) |
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| * defunctzombie | changed nick to defunctzombie_zz |
| 20:07:49
| <st_luke> | defunctzombie_zz: ok, I need a slideup animation for my new startup's website |
| 20:07:55
| <st_luke> | Get Your Ash to Mars |
| 20:08:03
| <st_luke> | I'm going into the funeral business |
| 20:20:51
| <jjjjohnnny> | i can |
| 20:20:56
| <jjjjohnnny> | t stop |
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| * defunctzombie_zz | changed nick to defunctzombie |
| 20:24:41
| <defunctzombie> | st_luke: wut |
| 20:28:14
| <defunctzombie> | st_luke: I will get a repo up today and hopefully get a basic version working |
| 20:29:34
| <st_luke> | defunctzombie: getyourashtomars.com |
| 20:29:36
| <st_luke> | have to get a website up |
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| <substack> | whoa awesome, testling-ci got a mention in http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2012/12/22/talks-to-help-you-become-a-better-front-end-engineer-in-2013/ |
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| 23:27:41
| <st_luke> | dope |
| 23:29:26
| <st_luke> | how the fuck is it friday |
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| <mbalho> | substack: nice |
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