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00:07:45  <Domenic_>talks are good for you
00:08:27  <Domenic_>career-wise, that is
00:08:39  <substack_>"career"
00:08:41  <substack_>what is that
00:09:22  <Domenic_>a way to make earning a living a satisfying long-term pursuit
00:09:55  <isaacs>substack_: career is one's source social (and occasionally, economic) status
00:10:10  <isaacs>substack_: usually a trade-off of identity++ status++
00:10:20  <isaacs>substack_: (increasing identity is the cost, here, obv)
00:10:42  <Domenic_>isaacs: too smart for me, why is identity++ a cost.
00:10:53  <isaacs>sometimes identity++, $++, and $++,status++
00:11:15  <isaacs>Domenic_: because it is the most liberating and rational to keep one's identity small
00:12:07  <Domenic_>maybe
00:15:08  <Raynos>I have to do way more talks
00:16:03  <substack_>Raynos: you could try writing first
00:16:17  <Raynos>I do that in gist format some time
00:16:32  <substack_>much easier to give a talk when I've already done a long-form post about it
00:16:51  <Raynos>well I really need is the confidence to talk about something
00:16:58  <Raynos>i find it hard to find things interesting
00:17:13  <Raynos>like I find it hard to talk about my streams experience because I cant think of anything "interesting enough" to say
00:17:18  <Raynos>so I just need more forced practice
00:17:26  <substack_>no
00:17:39  <substack_>just only talk about things that interest you
00:17:48  <substack_>if streams are boring then don't talk about them
00:17:53  <Raynos>things that interest me are highly experimental
00:17:58  <Raynos>and are highly likely to be terrible ideas
00:18:07  <Domenic_>those can often be the best talks
00:18:08  <Raynos>once i know they are terrible ideas they no longer interest me
00:18:09  <Raynos>BUT
00:18:13  <substack_>talks are theatre
00:18:17  <Raynos>what I really need to talk about is the journey
00:18:27  <Raynos>the journey from highly experimental to failure and LEARNED LESSONS
00:18:39  <Raynos>Its just by the time I can actually talk about that I no longer find the entire topic interesting
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00:19:08  <substack_>the problem with talking about things that don't interest you
00:19:30  <substack_>is that they are probably intrinsically uninteresting and you won't be able to convey a false sense of interest to the audience
00:20:40  <substack_>but talks are best understood as theatre anyhow
00:21:02  <substack_>Raynos: do a webrtc play that covers the basics of creating a peer to peer network
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00:21:15  <Raynos>define: play
00:21:49  <substack_>short theatrical production
00:22:30  <substack_>exposition, conflict, resolution
00:23:04  <isaacs>Raynos: just talk about the terrible idea. later, once you know it is terrible, talk about how terrible it is.
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00:23:25  <Raynos>ok
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00:31:51  <substack_>FINALLY
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00:34:07  <substack>oh maybe this is some multi_pack or side-band noise
00:34:16  <substack>I should try scrubbing those from the response
00:34:20  <substack>in pushover
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01:43:51  <Raynos>I made a list of different async things as values types ( https://gist.github.com/Raynos/342834f364fb08c84528 )
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01:51:26  <Raynos>Let me know if I missed something
01:52:15  <Raynos>dominictarr, gozala, Domenic_, Domenic__: New challenge! Write an async promise / stream designed for having a readable stack trace when profiling performance issues! whenever I debug node streams or reducers with a profiler all I see is noise
01:55:04  <gozala>Raynos: I'd expect profilers to get better at reducing noice
01:55:13  <gozala>I know mozilla is working on this
01:55:22  <Raynos>meh profiling async code
01:55:24  <Raynos>is super hard
01:55:29  <Raynos>ill use a frustrating abstraction
01:55:36  <Raynos>as long as its designed to make profiling async code dead easy
01:55:42  <Raynos>alternatively write a new profiler :D
01:55:43  <gozala>so you can mark boundaries between your code and code of third party libs you don't wanna enter
01:56:21  <gozala>Raynos: software is hard
01:56:33  <Raynos>it shouldnt be
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01:56:51  <gozala>after gaining experience it will get easier
01:57:17  <gozala>and tools may also get little better
01:59:56  <Raynos>i just think designing libraries
02:00:00  <Raynos>for "easy to profile"
02:00:03  <Raynos>is an interesting challenge
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02:08:52  <Raynos>mbalho: http://www.scribd.com/doc/132405519/leaflet-for-some-cats-with-apologies-to-Max-Ogden <- this is awesome
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02:22:02  <Domenic_>Raynos: Q already has long stack traces
02:22:21  <Raynos>that may help for debugging exceptions
02:22:24  <Raynos>but what is it like for profiling
02:22:27  <Raynos>I have a big app
02:22:33  <Raynos>that uses "reducers" for all values
02:22:35  <Domenic_>no idea
02:22:36  <Raynos>so imagine a big app
02:22:38  <Raynos>where all values are promises
02:22:46  <Raynos>what does the profiler information look like, is it readable?
02:22:52  <Domenic_>i don't know what profilers even output
02:23:58  <Raynos>well run the profiler and look at it :p
02:24:05  <Raynos>sec
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06:09:34  <substack>ok so
06:09:49  <substack>the chunked data that git sends isn't parsed correctly by node
06:09:56  <substack>so either git has a bug speaking http or node does
06:09:59  <substack>probably git
06:11:07  <substack>chunk size is 16372, which is pretty big
06:14:01  <wolfeida_>substack: Is it over HTTPS?
06:14:43  <substack>just http
06:14:48  <wolfeida_>If not you could have a peak at it with wireshark
06:15:17  <wolfeida_>If you don't want the UI you can install tshark now
06:15:37  <substack>I can already inspect the traffic from req.connection in node
06:16:24  <wolfeida_>Yeah I normally like to see it at the wire level in case the web server is screwing something up
06:16:50  <wolfeida_>Handy to compare between what your seeing via the API and what is being transmitted
06:17:31  <wolfeida_>That is a very large chunk
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06:52:04  <chrisdickinson>substack: ooh, question: are you allowing sidebands?
06:52:47  <chrisdickinson>see "sideband" in http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/Git/Git-33/src/git-htmldocs/technical/protocol-capabilities.txt
06:54:04  <chrisdickinson>substack: further, are there git hooks on the server?
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07:57:35  <substack>chrisdickinson: no git hooks and I experimented with disabling sidebands but it didn't make a difference
07:57:47  <chrisdickinson>hm
07:58:27  <substack>ok here's why!
07:58:34  <substack>git is sending content-length: 4
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07:59:16  <substack>then it starts streaming data
07:59:20  <substack>wait what is even going on
08:04:15  <substack>ok it's possible that this request is getting pipelined
08:05:14  <substack>POW FIXED IT
08:05:14  <LOUDBOT>EVERYBODY ON THE INTERNET DOES
08:05:19  <substack>hahaha
08:05:28  <substack>res.setHeader('connection', 'close')
08:05:30  <substack>fixes everything
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08:09:04  <chrisdickinson>ah weird
08:09:20  <chrisdickinson>substack: so smart http happens over the course of several steps, huh?
08:09:30  <chrisdickinson>i mean, several requests.
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08:09:46  <chrisdickinson>(greater than 1, less than the billion or so the old http uses)
08:12:17  <substack>it does an info query first to get the ref data
08:12:19  <substack>then it does a post
08:12:26  <substack>but the requests were getting all merged together
08:12:50  <substack>git probably speaks http in a shitty way that was only ever tested against the built-in git http server
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08:13:13  <chrisdickinson>ah yeah
08:13:31  <chrisdickinson>well, that sucks, i was hoping it was just the git protocol tunneled over http
08:13:44  <chrisdickinson>would have made life so much easier :|
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15:55:14  <mikolalysenko>hmm
15:55:26  <mikolalysenko>I think typed arrays are broken in node v0.10.2
15:55:44  <mikolalysenko>or at least .slice is, since it isn't making copies like it is supposed to
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16:17:25  <isaacs>substack: if you had a google glass, would you write an npm module that did something fun with it?
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16:18:08  <isaacs>substack: the google glass twitter account took @npmjs up on its offer. it protested that it's just an open source package manager, and doesn't even have a face, but they suggested passing the invite on to someone else.
16:19:53  <mikolalysenko>ok, I just checked the spec and apparently slice got removed...
16:20:04  <mikolalysenko>so the fact that slice is still in the typedarrays is probably a bug
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16:47:56  <dominictarr>isaacs: can I get next in line after substack for the google glass?
16:48:21  <isaacs>dominictarr: sure. i think it might only work in the US, though
16:48:29  <isaacs>at least, for now
16:49:52  <dominictarr>I hate that shit
16:50:30  <isaacs>yeah
16:50:37  <isaacs>cell phone companies are hte absolute worst.
16:50:42  <isaacs>i think it comes wiht a 3g thingie
16:51:00  <isaacs>it sucks. in the US, telcoms are basically part of the government.
16:51:06  <isaacs>but not a part we get to vote on
16:51:14  <dominictarr>you mean the government is part of the telcoms
16:52:00  <dominictarr>it seems harder than usual to buy unlocked phones in the US
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19:15:55  <defunctzombie>Domenic_: ping
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19:21:40  <defunctzombie>Domenic__: how many Domenic_'s are there?
19:22:00  <defunctzombie>anyhow.. question. with knox
19:22:13  <defunctzombie>do I need to make a new client to have concurrent requests
19:22:25  <defunctzombie>or will it auto queue them for me if I have several puts I called
19:22:29  <defunctzombie>on the same client?
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19:49:24  <chrisdickinson>mikolalysenko: typedarray slice is now subarray, iirc
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19:51:46  <chrisdickinson>also, thinking that it might be best to actually write a module that simply walks a deflated stream and tells you when it stops without ever doing any copying, etc.
19:51:53  <chrisdickinson>vs. what inflate-until does now
19:52:13  <chrisdickinson>(that way it can just inflate once and be done with it, instead of having to "test inflate" every so often)
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20:02:25  <dominictarr>defunctzombie: there are 5
20:03:03  <dominictarr>Domanic, Domenic, Dominic Domonic and Domunic
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20:13:24  <Domenic_>defunctzombie: it's just HTTP requests, you can have as many in flight at a given time as you want, even from the same client
20:13:27  <Domenic_>no queuing
20:13:44  <defunctzombie>Domenic__: gotcha, yea I looked into it and realized this :)
20:13:50  <defunctzombie>also found your agent: false change
20:13:54  <defunctzombie>so all is well :)
20:14:16  <Domenic_>indeed!
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20:45:47  <Domenic_>ah damn
20:46:00  <Domenic_>setimmediate depends on zuul depends on phantomjs depends on unzip depends on setimmediate
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21:13:45  <Domenic_>my package is too useful to test itself
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22:27:17  <defunctzombie>Domenic__: victory
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