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| <mbalho> | substack: im trying to get tacocopter to show up to tacoconf but if i cant can we make a makeshift tacocopter with your drone? |
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| 02:40:24
| <Raynos> | at times like this |
| 02:40:29
| <Raynos> | I think npm having the README on npm |
| 02:40:31
| <Raynos> | is a good idea :D |
| 02:41:40
| <Raynos> | browserify bundles are streams right? |
| 02:42:09
| <Raynos> | substack: whats the equivelant of `fs.createReadStream("scripts/foo.js").pipe(browserify()).pipe(res)` ? |
| 02:42:12
| <Raynos> | that should be documented! |
| 02:49:00
| <thl0> | the good thing about ender modules is that they have a proper package.json and can be consumed by browserify |
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| 02:57:38
| <substack> | mbalho: sure can |
| 03:01:25
| <Domenic_> | Raynos: I think they're just readable streams right now, but interesting, they could be writable streams that accept as input an entry file? I mean they'd have to read the whole thing into memory anyway I assume, so, kind of pointless, but... |
| 03:01:49
| <Raynos> | Oh |
| 03:01:52
| <Raynos> | They need the file uri |
| 03:01:57
| <Raynos> | to do relative lookusp and shit |
| 03:02:12
| <Raynos> | so you cant just pipe files in without embedding meta data on the stream you pipe into it |
| 03:02:15
| <Raynos> | blargh |
| 03:02:18
| <Raynos> | STREAMS Y U NO PERFECT |
| 03:02:19
| <LOUDBOT> | WE HAVE THE SAME CARD OMG |
| 03:07:00
| <isaacs> | Raynos: you ever use StringDecoder? |
| 03:07:15
| <Raynos> | only when I copy paste code from npm-www |
| 03:07:25
| <Raynos> | where isaacs shows me to use StringDecoder and I blind copy it |
| 03:07:39
| <Raynos> | https://github.com/Raynos/body/blob/master/index.js#L1 |
| 03:08:18
| <isaacs> | heh |
| 03:08:30
| <isaacs> | now you can just setEncoding on all streams, so that's less of an issue. |
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| 03:10:58
| <isaacs> | Raynos: anyway... i just realized that StringDecoder isn't just a bad name, it's the *opposite* name for what this thing is doing |
| 03:11:07
| <Raynos> | i have no idea what it does :D |
| 03:11:19
| <isaacs> | Raynos: just from the name, try to guess. |
| 03:11:33
| <isaacs> | what would a "String decoder" do, and what would it do it to? |
| 03:11:47
| <isaacs> | if you had to sum it up in, oh, i don't know, 2 words or so. |
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| <Raynos> | like I said https://github.com/isaacs/npm-www/blob/master/site.js#L91 |
| 03:12:22
| <Raynos> | it would decode a string |
| 03:12:28
| <Raynos> | it kind of does |
| 03:12:34
| <Raynos> | you feed it a string piece by piece |
| 03:12:36
| <Raynos> | and it decodes it |
| 03:12:39
| <Raynos> | into utf8 :D |
| 03:12:40
| <Raynos> | or something |
| 03:13:29
| <isaacs> | WRONG |
| 03:13:37
| <isaacs> | "decode strings" is the right aswer |
| 03:13:40
| <isaacs> | but it's incorrect. |
| 03:13:54
| <isaacs> | it's ENcoding bytes AS a string |
| 03:14:33
| <isaacs> | which wouldn't be a problem, i mean, it's basically internal API, but i want to write something that is a general purpose string decoder, in the sense that yougive it a Handle<String> and it decodes it to get at the bytes |
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| <isaacs> | and i *really* wish I could call it StringDecoder without causing brain asplosions in the future heads of node developers |
| 03:20:06
| <Domenic_> | string-biter |
| 03:20:09
| <Domenic_> | string-byter |
| 03:20:14
| <Domenic_> | string2bytes |
| 03:20:18
| <Domenic_> | i can do this all day |
| 03:33:11
| <chapel> | biterofstrings |
| 03:33:20
| <chapel> | bitstringer |
| 03:33:49
| <chapel> | stringInBytesOut |
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| <guybrush> | var be = ByteEncoder('utf8') |
| 03:34:48
| <chapel> | :P |
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| 03:37:27
| <Raynos> | isaacs: just ragequit and write create isaacs/no. |
| 03:37:38
| <Raynos> | isaacs: i'll write an isaacs bot that auto closes all issues with "NO" |
| 03:37:54
| <Raynos> | back compat problem solved. |
| 03:37:56
| <isaacs> | hahah |
| 03:37:57
| <isaacs> | nice |
| 03:38:00
| <isaacs> | good idea |
| 03:38:42
| <Raynos> | https://github.com/wearefractal/no :/ |
| 03:38:48
| <Raynos> | they took the no name on npm AND use coffee-script wrong |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: do you think that'll stop me? |
| 04:06:12
| <Raynos> | no. it just makes me sad |
| 04:06:14
| <isaacs> | Raynos: hahah |
| 04:06:14
| <Raynos> | that people do this |
| 04:06:19
| <isaacs> | nah, it's fine |
| 04:06:25
| <isaacs> | they can have the name for a while. |
| 04:06:29
| <Raynos> | :D |
| 04:06:41
| <isaacs> | srsly, like, you worrying about that is like worrying that the bank won't have enough paper to print money on. |
| 04:06:55
| <isaacs> | it's my server. i can sudo in there and fucking delete the whole thing. |
| 04:07:04
| * isaacs | won't, but you know... |
| 04:07:06
| <isaacs> | could. |
| 04:07:16
| <isaacs> | i'm sure i'd lose some friends :) |
| 04:08:36
| <chilts> | ... and alienate people? |
| 04:08:43
| <isaacs> | chilts: sure! |
| 04:08:46
| <chilts> | heh |
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| <chilts> | hello wolfeidau |
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| <chilts> | what you hacking on at the moment? |
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| <guybrush> | haha isaacs disapears from the internet like why and takes the whole npm off with him |
| 04:39:18
| <guybrush> | would result in lots of sad (and some angry i guess) faces |
| 04:40:28
| <substack> | and replaces it with an IPP printer 18 months later |
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| <jesusabdullah> | IPP? |
| 05:21:22
| <jesusabdullah> | also if isaac removed npm I'd probably go to his house and piss on his flower bed |
| 05:21:38
| <jesusabdullah> | "what the fuck are you doing????" "DUDE I HAD TO GO IM SORRY" |
| 05:21:46
| <jesusabdullah> | "ALSO YOU TOOK DOWN NPM BUT NO REALLY I HAD TO GO" |
| 05:21:47
| <LOUDBOT> | FUCK IT WE'RE ALL REALLY NIGGERS! |
| 05:21:55
| <jesusabdullah> | >:O!!!!! |
| 05:22:32
| <jesusabdullah> | oh goodness substack are we talking cups? |
| 05:23:15
| <jesusabdullah> | I really like the idea of ipp but I got the impression that it's a pain in the ass to implement |
| 05:24:12
| <substack> | WE ARE INDEED |
| 05:24:12
| <LOUDBOT> | I HAVE SOLVED ZEE HALTING TPROBLEM! |
| 05:24:28
| <substack> | referencing how _why's website is a printer now |
| 05:24:55
| <substack> | and if isaacs pulled a _why he should turn npmjs.org into a printer |
| 05:26:04
| <jesusabdullah> | wait _why's website is a printer? |
| 05:26:07
| <jesusabdullah> | like |
| 05:26:12
| <substack> | WHIMSY |
| 05:26:12
| <jesusabdullah> | shit what's his website again |
| 05:26:26
| <substack> | it is 100% WHIMSICAL |
| 05:27:18
| <substack> | LOUDBOT: search pc load letter |
| 05:27:18
| <LOUDBOT> | substack: <HighBit:##turtles> PC LOAD LETTER WTF DOES THAT MEAN |
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| <isaacs> | LOUDBOT: twitlast |
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| <LOUDBOT> | http://twitter.com/LOUDBOT/status/329847755067494400 (HighBit/##turtles) |
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| <juliangruber> | idea: distributed github. everything you star you host yourself. |
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| <wolfeidau> | juliangruber: A distributed CI server would be cool |
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| <juliangruber> | wolfeidau: who would be running the tests? everyone? |
| 11:28:34
| <wolfeidau> | juliangruber: consensus on tests, passes on n to promote build |
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| <wolfeidau> | n systems |
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| <wolfeidau> | juliangruber: Another idea i had was smoketest on n systems, full qa only on build slaves |
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| <wolfeidau> | juliangruber: Great application of distrubuted computing ;) |
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| <juliangruber> | ah, so you're talking more about servers rather than peoples' computers? |
| 11:38:44
| <wolfeidau> | juliangruber: I had this idea where you could sort of use other members of your team as the CI farm, with only data going back to the CI host |
| 11:39:07
| <wolfeidau> | juliangruber: Like logs and stuff, and possibly the artifacts |
| 11:39:27
| <wolfeidau> | juliangruber: It is pretty much how travis works |
| 11:39:37
| <juliangruber> | hm..so everyone would host an instance of virtualbox? |
| 11:39:50
| <guybrush> | so there will be new tlds on may 13? http://www.newgtldsite.com/new-gtld-timeline |
| 11:40:22
| <wolfeidau> | juliangruber: That could be a solution, or if your on linux you could use LXC (linux containers) |
| 11:40:59
| <wolfeidau> | juliangruber: Main aim is to decentralise CI, even the point of being able to run concensensus checks in completely disconnected gropus |
| 11:41:09
| <wolfeidau> | groups |
| 11:41:16
| <wolfeidau> | and push the data up later |
| 11:41:20
| <guybrush> | just accidentally stumbled over that lol, seems like _lots_ of new tlds will be available and there are already battles for .app |
| 11:41:54
| <wolfeidau> | juliangruber: I hate CI how it is atm |
| 11:42:09
| <wolfeidau> | needs some new ideas |
| 11:42:38
| <wolfeidau> | It is so un internet |
| 11:45:28
| <juliangruber> | the internet is pretty un internet |
| 11:47:36
| <guybrush> | http://www.newgtldsite.com/new-gtld-list/ why the hell dont they just aggree on not having a fucking list at all.... lol - everyone should be able to register any domain (with any string as tld) |
| 11:48:45
| <wolfeidau> | juliangruber: meant that we centralise CI data, why not distribute it, pretty much how the internet works, no one entity has complete control over how data moves around |
| 11:49:13
| <wolfeidau> | Distribute all the things |
| 11:49:45
| <guybrush> | wolfeidau: travis is opensource isnt it? just run it yourself = distributed |
| 11:50:11
| <wolfeidau> | guybrush: I believe so, that said i want a travis light |
| 11:50:45
| <guybrush> | well there are _lots_ of opensource ci, pick one :D |
| 11:50:59
| <wolfeidau> | guybrush: Most are centralised |
| 11:51:25
| <wolfeidau> | guybrush: I use jenkins at the moment |
| 11:51:26
| <guybrush> | i think i dont understand what you are looking for |
| 11:51:42
| <wolfeidau> | guybrush: It is an idea |
| 11:51:54
| <guybrush> | distributed like git? |
| 11:52:13
| <guybrush> | i mean every dev can just run a ci locally, then its distributed right? |
| 11:52:26
| <juliangruber> | not really |
| 11:52:27
| <wolfeidau> | yeah that is a good anology, everyone has there own ci then it converges somewhere or nowhere |
| 11:52:46
| <juliangruber> | everyone just running his own ci is not distributed |
| 11:52:48
| <juliangruber> | they need to talk |
| 11:53:04
| <guybrush> | ok so after running the ci just commit the results into the repo |
| 11:53:13
| <guybrush> | which is kind of talking |
| 11:53:19
| <wolfeidau> | juliangruber: Yeah, otherwwise it is just like a watch script |
| 11:53:35
| <juliangruber> | guybrush: what's the difference between ci and `npm test` then? |
| 11:53:52
| <juliangruber> | ci should be where your central repo is |
| 11:53:54
| <wolfeidau> | juliangruber: The logs get uploaded or shared with others :) |
| 11:54:07
| <guybrush> | i think i dont understand what a ci is exactly |
| 11:54:24
| <guybrush> | for me its just "running tests after every change" |
| 11:54:37
| <guybrush> | so yes, `npm test` is a ci |
| 11:54:58
| <juliangruber> | guybrush: before every deploy and push the tests are run and you shouldn't be able to deploy if they fail |
| 11:55:00
| <guybrush> | but i guess im wrong :p |
| 11:55:49
| <juliangruber> | hmm, looks like that's wrong too |
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| <wolfeidau> | juliangruber guybrush it is just a worflow server really, a "build" has many steps which execute either in sequence or parallel |
| 11:56:14
| <juliangruber> | it's about testing all the dev's code together on a regular basis |
| 11:56:24
| <guybrush> | ok, i see it that way - there are only certain people who are able to deploy, and those people are responsible for what they do |
| 11:56:26
| <wolfeidau> | Yeah in a clean room |
| 11:57:31
| <juliangruber> | with ci everyone should be able to deploy, as long as the tests pass |
| 11:57:34
| <wolfeidau> | Normally developer pc's change a lot and a CI server just checks that it is ok on in a less volitile environment |
| 11:57:43
| <guybrush> | juliangruber: i dont like that |
| 11:57:57
| <wolfeidau> | juliangruber: I agree |
| 11:58:53
| <guybrush> | and i dont like that deploying has to involve a passing test |
| 11:59:00
| <guybrush> | i can test the thing anyway |
| 11:59:04
| <guybrush> | and then i deploy it |
| 11:59:07
| <guybrush> | one thing at a time |
| 11:59:26
| <guybrush> | not a huge system that does 100 things before it deploys |
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| <juliangruber> | also, ci happens in an environment that's close to production |
| 12:01:25
| <guybrush> | but! i might be wrong and i think it mostly depends on the type of app |
| 12:01:31
| <juliangruber> | imagine devs on windows pcs deploying to linux |
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| <guybrush> | right i like to have 2 instances running at the same time on isolated environments |
| 12:03:35
| <guybrush> | like 2x the same virtual machine, one for development and one for production |
| 12:03:56
| <guybrush> | so you deploy into development and try to stress-test as best es you can, and after passing you deploy into production |
| 12:04:31
| <guybrush> | but that makes only sence for bigger applications, not even worth thinking about such things for little projects like a small website :D |
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| <rvagg> | juliangruber: any time for thoughts on https://github.com/juliangruber/me/pull/3 ? |
| 12:11:37
| <juliangruber> | rvagg: I'll cherrypick things |
| 12:11:46
| <juliangruber> | overall I like the simple style it has now |
| 12:11:54
| <rvagg> | juliangruber: ok, no probs |
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| <dominictarr> | this is a great example of the bad patterns people follow when they do coffeescript |
| 13:20:54
| <dominictarr> | https://github.com/sockjs/sockjs-node/blob/master/src/sockjs.coffee#L108-L154 |
| 13:21:06
| <dominictarr> | creates a whole class when all they need is a function! |
| 13:21:43
| <substack> | there's a video about exactly that problem from pycon |
| 13:22:05
| <dominictarr> | link? |
| 13:25:11
| <substack> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9pEzgHorH0 |
| 13:29:54
| <defunctzombie> | I love OOP |
| 13:30:08
| <defunctzombie> | ServerHandlerAbstractInterfaceImpl |
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| <defunctzombie> | dominictarr: use engine.io |
| 13:31:32
| <dominictarr> | is there a stream for engine.io? |
| 13:31:40
| <defunctzombie> | yea |
| 13:31:56
| <defunctzombie> | https://github.com/Raynos/engine.io-stream/tree/wip-refactor |
| 13:31:59
| <defunctzombie> | try that |
| 13:32:07
| <defunctzombie> | I need to merge it and publish a new version |
| 13:32:13
| <defunctzombie> | but I have used it myself and it worked |
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| <dominictarr> | actually… engine.io won't work for me, because I need to route many connections - |
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| <dominictarr> | https://github.com/LearnBoost/engine.io/blob/master/lib/engine.io.js#L107 |
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| <dominictarr> | I need path to be a regular expression |
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| <dominictarr> | defunctzombie: can engine.io do cross domain? |
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| <defunctzombie> | dominictarr: yes |
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| <thl0_> | dominictarr: hyperwatch now has smarter tailing: https://github.com/thlorenz/hyperwatch/commit/48f3741cb83f23133dc6fbff01aedbcc9081e7ff |
| 14:07:41
| <dominictarr> | sweet! |
| 14:07:46
| <thl0_> | it's also customizable (position and size) |
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| <thl0_> | dominictarr: https://github.com/thlorenz/hyperwatch#using-custom-options |
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| <thl0_> | ls |
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| <defunctzombie> | thl0_: how did the meetup go? |
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| <defunctzombie> | what did you talk about? |
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| <thl0_> | it went ok |
| 15:54:08
| <thl0_> | I went in there without much of a plan since the organizer told me they like to ask lots of questions |
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| <thl0_> | defunctzombie: so I pretty much went all over the place bc the questions didn't happen too much |
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| <thl0_> | basically I showed a bunch of my tools and kept harking on how they were made possible by modularization, npm and browserify |
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| <defunctzombie> | thl0: cool |
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| <thl0> | substack: does that for indicate that I'll run into you at nodepdx? |
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| <thl0> | that'd be cool |
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| <thl0> | s/for/fork/ |
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| <mbalho> | ill be at nodepdx |
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| <Raynos> | defunctzombie: should just merge that branch |
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| <Raynos> | i dont use engine.io-stream in prod |
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| <Raynos> | dominictarr: http://www.jsonml.org/ |
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| <Raynos> | have you seen that? |
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| <dominictarr> | yes |
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| <dominictarr> | hijinx is a fan of that |
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| <Raynos> | I realized its very close to hyperscript |
| 17:40:34
| <Raynos> | but real data structures |
| 17:40:48
| <Raynos> | just mappable & easy to auto generate with functions and stuff |
| 17:41:02
| <Raynos> | does hij1nx have modules that build on top of jsonml |
| 17:41:24
| <dominictarr> | not sure - I don't think so. |
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| 17:46:47
| <Raynos> | Ok just ported my templates to jsonml. sweet! |
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| <dominictarr> | so, contentEditable is the new worst html feature ever |
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| <mikeal> | Raynos: engine.io question |
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| <mikeal> | socket.onmessage |
| 17:49:04
| <Raynos> | disclaimer: I dont use it in production |
| 17:49:20
| <mikeal> | is that insured to get called with the entire content of a write()? |
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| <mikeal> | its still not ready for production? |
| 17:49:44
| <Raynos> | No I just use sock in production |
| 17:49:47
| <Raynos> | and havnt migrated yet |
| 17:50:09
| <mikeal> | there's been no commits for a month |
| 17:50:12
| <Raynos> | i dont know whether engine.io flushes writes in chunks |
| 17:50:19
| <mikeal> | its either ready for production or abandoned :) |
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| <mikeal> | Raynos: has socket.io master moved to engine.io? |
| 17:56:38
| <Raynos> | not sure |
| 17:56:52
| <Raynos> | I'm sure 3rdEden can tell you whether its ready :D |
| 17:56:58
| <Raynos> | other people I've talked to say its ready too |
| 17:57:06
| <Raynos> | I just dont have any personal production experience with it |
| 17:59:57
| <mikeal> | k |
| 18:00:03
| <mikeal> | its so much cleaner |
| 18:01:21
| <thl0> | mikeal: have you tried shoe? I used it for very simple stuff (streaming sterr/out to browser) and it works perfect |
| 18:02:56
| <Raynos> | agreed |
| 18:02:58
| <mikeal> | i need transport fallbacks |
| 18:03:01
| <Raynos> | sockjs is worth not using |
| 18:03:07
| <Raynos> | purely for coffeescript |
| 18:03:22
| <Raynos> | My experience with engine.io was "fuck this shit. ill write my own streaming duplex XHR thing" |
| 18:03:56
| <mikeal> | yeah, i had no intention of using sockjs ;) |
| 18:04:04
| <dominictarr> | Raynos well, if some people wrote each part… and then you just assemble them... |
| 18:04:10
| <dominictarr> | there is another one too |
| 18:04:12
| <Raynos> | well all you need |
| 18:04:15
| <Raynos> | is xhr-read-stream |
| 18:04:20
| <Raynos> | substack wrote the write stream |
| 18:04:20
| <dominictarr> | that is a lot more stackvm philosophy |
| 18:04:24
| <Raynos> | so you need an xhr-read-stream |
| 18:04:31
| <Raynos> | thats build of xhr-stream & xhr-long-poll |
| 18:05:13
| <Raynos> | but thats because I only need IE9+ |
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| <Raynos> | for IE8 and IE7 you probably need more bullshit fallbacks |
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| <Raynos> | hij1nx: if you use jsonml do you have any opinions on ( https://github.com/mckamey/jsonml/issues/4 ) ? Usage of a nested array for children |
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| <st_luke> | mikeal: I thought about making a style guide a few weeks ago but I realized I'd rather talk to someone I work with and have them explain their code if I don't understand something |
| 19:01:33
| <st_luke> | anyone who has ever contributed to an open source project knows how the "style guide" thing works |
| 19:01:49
| <mikeal> | so, what i decided to do for my company |
| 19:02:00
| <mikeal> | is say that, every file must have a consistent style |
| 19:02:10
| <mikeal> | but there is no style guide for the repo |
| 19:02:29
| <mikeal> | the reason is, we checkin our dependencies, and we view *any* dependency as something we will potentially maintain |
| 19:02:30
| <st_luke> | yea...that's what we do, stick to the style of the file/module |
| 19:02:37
| <mikeal> | and we can't enforce style on projects we don't own |
| 19:02:44
| <st_luke> | we check in our deps for the same reason |
| 19:03:48
| <st_luke> | well also because of deployment |
| 19:04:08
| <st_luke> | as we do not deploy from npm, for obvious reasons |
| 19:05:32
| <st_luke> | where the fuck is the ice cream truck around here |
| 19:05:35
| <st_luke> | thats what i need to be doing right now |
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| <Domenic_> | i would enforce style on a per-repo basis, but keep repos small |
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| <st_luke> | per repo is a difficult line though when you check in third party code |
| 20:24:08
| <st_luke> | unless it's not really enforced |
| 20:24:29
| <st_luke> | in which case having the rule is superfluous |
| 20:25:33
| <st_luke> | is it really a big deal if someone sends a message to the mailing list in a non-english language? |
| 20:26:12
| <Domenic_> | it's basically spam |
| 20:26:42
| <st_luke> | why is it spam? |
| 20:27:03
| <Domenic_> | it has the same value as spam to the recipients |
| 20:27:11
| <Domenic_> | barely intelligible gibberish that they don't want |
| 20:27:25
| <Domenic_> | or can't use |
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| <Domenic_> | also i seem to get lots of foreign language spam so the categories blur together for me, maybe for others |
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| <dominictarr> | http://ghub.io/element-splice |
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| <dominictarr> | ins0mnia: ^ |
| 21:17:16
| <dominictarr> | we can use that to make an observable-array that you can bind to html elements! |
| 21:19:17
| <ins0mnia> | dominictarr: hah sweet and simple! |
| 21:19:38
| <dominictarr> | splice is the fundamental array op |
| 21:19:51
| <dominictarr> | push, pop, shift, unshift |
| 21:19:57
| <ins0mnia> | yeah, the only one I really use |
| 21:20:03
| <dominictarr> | can all be implemented in terms of splice. |
| 21:20:09
| <ins0mnia> | yup |
| 21:20:14
| <ins0mnia> | this is awesome |
| 21:20:35
| <ins0mnia> | lol |
| 21:20:36
| <ins0mnia> | 21 lines:) |
| 21:20:53
| <jesusabdullah> | aaaaaaaaaaaaagh |
| 21:21:00
| <jesusabdullah> | can't concentrate |
| 21:21:04
| <jesusabdullah> | uuuuuuuuuuugh |
| 21:21:43
| <jesusabdullah> | dominictarr: sup :) |
| 21:22:15
| <dominictarr> | jesusabdullah: I'm working on my second text editor. |
| 21:22:20
| <jesusabdullah> | orly |
| 21:22:25
| <jesusabdullah> | tell me about it |
| 21:22:28
| <dominictarr> | I'm over hipster |
| 21:22:31
| <jesusabdullah> | will it be totally boss? |
| 21:22:34
| <dominictarr> | I'm post-hipster |
| 21:22:36
| <jesusabdullah> | ie will I want to use it y/n |
| 21:22:39
| <dominictarr> | y |
| 21:22:45
| <jesusabdullah> | tell me why |
| 21:22:47
| <jesusabdullah> | tell meeeee |
| 21:22:53
| <dominictarr> | because it's all javascript |
| 21:23:02
| <dominictarr> | because it runs on anarchy os |
| 21:23:05
| <dominictarr> | (the browser) |
| 21:23:12
| <jesusabdullah> | hmmm |
| 21:23:21
| <dominictarr> | because it has collaborative editing ... |
| 21:23:46
| * substack | topic: Unofficial browserling/testling mad science channel. For official help /join #browserling |
| 21:24:21
| <dominictarr> | mostly, though, it will be super simple to extend, and you will do so in js with browserify |
| 21:24:34
| <dominictarr> | jesusabdullah: that also means it works as a chrome app. |
| 21:25:02
| <jesusabdullah> | cool |
| 21:25:05
| <jesusabdullah> | vim bindings? |
| 21:26:04
| <jesusabdullah> | plugins? |
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| 21:29:15
| <dominictarr> | if you implement vim then it will have vim |
| 21:29:29
| <dominictarr> | but really, this is an opportunity to surpass vim. |
| 21:29:43
| <dominictarr> | and start afresh |
| 21:30:53
| <mcollina> | dominictarr: nothing has surpassed vim yet. |
| 21:31:19
| <dominictarr> | I used vim for 6 months |
| 21:31:33
| <mcollina> | ouch. Only? :) |
| 21:32:28
| <mcollina> | I use a Vim + tmux combo. |
| 21:33:18
| <dominictarr> | mcollina: http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/curves.jpg |
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| <Raynos> | isaacs: https://github.com/isaacs/redsess/pull/5#issuecomment-17260120 |
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| <mcollina> | dominictarr: oh yeah! It's totally INSANE to learn vim. Still, after you learned it, it's worth putting that muscle-memory to work. |
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| <mcollina> | what do you use? |
| 21:35:42
| <dominictarr> | at the end of the day - the time consuming part of programming is the thinking |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: landing 0.3.0 now |
| 21:35:52
| <Raynos> | thank you |
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| <dominictarr> | https://ghub.io/hipster |
| 21:35:59
| <dominictarr> | ^ I use that |
| 21:37:24
| <jesusabdullah> | I use gedit |
| 21:37:39
| <dominictarr> | and you want vim bindings? |
| 21:37:42
| <jesusabdullah> | dominictarr: link no worky |
| 21:38:05
| <dominictarr> | https://npm.im/hipster |
| 21:38:14
| <dominictarr> | juliangruber: ghub.io is down |
| 21:38:26
| <jesusabdullah> | yeah I know |
| 21:38:33
| <jesusabdullah> | idk i use vim sometimes too |
| 21:39:12
| <jesusabdullah> | but I kinda like graffix and mouse support |
| 21:39:16
| <dominictarr> | my biggest beef with vim is that when you become user |
| 21:39:27
| <dominictarr> | and "become" is the right word |
| 21:39:31
| <mcollina> | dominictarr: you are really hardcore. No undo. |
| 21:39:40
| <jesusabdullah> | oh yeah I need undo |
| 21:39:47
| <jesusabdullah> | dominictarr: go on |
| 21:39:50
| <dominictarr> | when you embrace the vim computer-brain protocol |
| 21:39:57
| <dominictarr> | well, you have it in vim |
| 21:40:21
| <dominictarr> | and then you are typing esc:wq to try and send emails |
| 21:40:25
| <dominictarr> | but it doesn't work. |
| 21:40:41
| <mcollina> | dominictarr: confirmed. it happens me a lot. |
| 21:40:54
| <dominictarr> | so, I want a consistent interface |
| 21:41:40
| <dominictarr> | hipster needs a rewrite, |
| 21:41:48
| <dominictarr> | but when I was writing it, I knew that |
| 21:42:03
| <dominictarr> | I was like - how much can I get done before I loose interest? |
| 21:42:39
| <dominictarr> | it has a few bugs - but it's just barely good enough to use. |
| 21:43:10
| <dominictarr> | I've been using it like that for nearly a year now |
| 21:43:45
| <mcollina> | impressive! |
| 21:44:06
| <dominictarr> | I'm a little surprised my self. |
| 21:44:43
| <mcollina> | how do you live without the tabs? You close and open the files? Use tmux? |
| 21:45:48
| <dominictarr> | I have tabs in my terminal program |
| 21:46:00
| <dominictarr> | and splits |
| 21:46:07
| <dominictarr> | wish the browser had splits! |
| 21:46:53
| <dominictarr> | unfortunately tmux breaks the meta keys I wanted to use. |
| 21:47:10
| <dominictarr> | also, most terminal things are weird |
| 21:47:39
| <dominictarr> | hipster has the most, er, notepad like controls of any terminal based editor that I am aware of. |
| 21:47:43
| <mcollina> | really. I am using iTerm2, but I had to remap some of its shortcuts to make stuff work. |
| 21:47:55
| <dominictarr> | iterm2 is good |
| 21:48:11
| <dominictarr> | I want to add splits to exterminate, though |
| 21:48:35
| <dominictarr> | https;//npm.im/exterminate |
| 21:48:37
| <mcollina> | Still, when you have to remap some stuff using hex codes, you got a bit frustrated. |
| 21:49:04
| <dominictarr> | hmm, you can remap with hexcodes? |
| 21:49:34
| <dominictarr> | my biggest disapointment in mac is that the keyboard shortcuts are not very good. |
| 21:50:01
| <dominictarr> | and sometimes it has the opinion that it can make better choices than you can. |
| 21:50:12
| <dominictarr> | like - chrome you can't change the keys. |
| 21:50:41
| <mcollina> | I heavily remapped the arrow keys. Doing that in tmux requires hexcodes. |
| 21:50:52
| <mcollina> | ops |
| 21:50:53
| <mcollina> | iTerm |
| 21:51:15
| <mcollina> | Yeah, but the Mac as too many advantages. |
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| <mcollina> | Like you said, I want vim mode in Chrome :). |
| 21:51:50
| <dominictarr> | the scrolling, and the hardware, the rest I don't care about. |
| 21:52:04
| <dominictarr> | mcollina: you should be able to get that - in a just world. |
| 21:52:27
| <dominictarr> | computers can do anything, in theory. |
| 21:53:29
| <mcollina> | If we do not know that something is impossible, we humans too :). |
| 21:54:44
| <dominictarr> | sure, well I guess the whole thing is that our computer-brain protocols need a lot of improvement. |
| 21:54:52
| <Raynos> | isaacs: https://github.com/isaacs/redsess/pull/8 |
| 21:56:34
| <isaacs> | 0.3.1 |
| 22:00:05
| <Raynos> | sweet! |
| 22:00:38
| <dominictarr> | mcollina: this is the new approach https://npm.im/bed |
| 22:01:06
| <dominictarr> | like the last one, I pretty much started it as a joke, to see how hard it would be to add syntax highlighting to a textarea. |
| 22:01:36
| <dominictarr> | turns out, it was easier to do it with this crazy hack, than to use html5 contentEditable=true |
| 22:02:10
| <dominictarr> | (the hack involves making the textarea transparent and then putting a syntax highlighted <pre> behind it |
| 22:02:21
| <guybrush> | contenteditable is one of the most awfult things |
| 22:02:46
| <dominictarr> | so much promise... |
| 22:02:56
| <guybrush> | i tried an experiment where i just put every char in a span |
| 22:03:02
| <guybrush> | much better than contenteditable |
| 22:03:09
| <guybrush> | with a hidden textarea behind it |
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| <dominictarr> | guybrush: that was what I was doing - then I realized I could put the textarea in front and get selections for free. |
| 22:03:59
| <dominictarr> | I just had to make my own cursor |
| 22:04:11
| <guybrush> | hm ok but than its no wysiwyg :p (what i wanted to make) |
| 22:04:28
| <guybrush> | oooh i see |
| 22:04:33
| <dominictarr> | no, it's just a code editor |
| 22:04:34
| <guybrush> | right that may work for your thing |
| 22:04:45
| <guybrush> | but the font has to be the same right? |
| 22:04:47
| <dominictarr> | it wouldn't work without monospace |
| 22:04:57
| <guybrush> | wo nice idea |
| 22:04:59
| <dominictarr> | or the same font… |
| 22:05:03
| <guybrush> | right |
| 22:05:14
| <guybrush> | or webgl just every letter hahaha |
| 22:05:31
| <dominictarr> | also, this is only 130 lines |
| 22:05:33
| <guybrush> | but yes that sounds like a sane solution |
| 22:05:40
| <mcollina> | dominictarr: I can't get to open a file with it :). How? |
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| <guybrush> | compared to lots of thousands locs in codemirror/ace |
| 22:05:58
| <dominictarr> | it's just a widget at the moment |
| 22:06:09
| <dominictarr> | all that other stuff isn't glued yet |
| 22:06:25
| <dominictarr> | but I will use it with this: https://npm.im/r-edit |
| 22:07:16
| <mcollina> | dominictarr: that makes super-sense. |
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| 22:08:06
| <mcollina> | I love this CRDT stuff. I implemented an Operational Transformation engine. |
| 22:08:06
| <guybrush> | dominictarr: you have to put the text into spans anyway isnt it? |
| 22:08:15
| <guybrush> | if you want to make highlighting and stuff |
| 22:08:28
| <dominictarr> | I have js highlighting already. |
| 22:08:53
| <dominictarr> | see https://npm.im/js-tokenizer |
| 22:09:14
| <guybrush> | cool |
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| 22:10:19
| <dominictarr> | of course, I'll need some sort of console thing too |
| 22:10:34
| <jesusabdullah> | shell out to pygments ^__^ |
| 22:10:36
| <dominictarr> | so you can run commands, and se output |
| 22:10:41
| <jesusabdullah> | promblem: pygments does not do streaming |
| 22:11:12
| <mcollina> | for that, you need splits and tabs. |
| 22:11:18
| <jesusabdullah> | dominictarr: "papa jitsu" https://twitter.com/indexhero/status/330032699068801025 XD |
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| 22:12:07
| <dominictarr> | there are a few to many of those now... |
| 22:12:22
| <dominictarr> | oh, it's the same one as before |
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| 22:13:10
| <jesusabdullah> | dominictarr: yes it is |
| 22:13:38
| <dominictarr> | https://twitter.com/indexhero/status/329262246117113857 |
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| 22:15:46
| <dominictarr> | this one is not actually that funny though |
| 22:17:21
| <jesusabdullah> | https://twitter.com/indexhero/status/329584973067722753 This one's funny but cringe-worthy, makes me ;_; |
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| <dominictarr> | https://twitter.com/indexhero/status/310311814749630464 |
| 22:20:35
| <jesusabdullah> | why we're running these with sudo I DO NOT KNOW |
| 22:20:59
| <jesusabdullah> | oh man I wrote a totally sick Makefile yesterday |
| 22:21:12
| <jesusabdullah> | my secret passion is LaTeX typesetting XD |
| 22:21:35
| <jesusabdullah> | I should totally write that blog engine I talked about that one time XD I forget with who |
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| <dominictarr> | jesusabdullah: I'd love to have a blog that looked just like a paper (you know what i mean) |
| 22:22:34
| <dominictarr> | it would make me seem so _credible_ |
| 22:22:50
| <jesusabdullah> | MY blog is TYPESET in COMPUTER MODERN |
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| 22:23:19
| <dominictarr> | OH YEAH BABY |
| 22:23:19
| <LOUDBOT> | I TOLD YOU NOT TO CALL ME THAT HERE. |
| 22:23:26
| <jesusabdullah> | lololol |
| 22:23:29
| <guybrush> | dominictarr: i know what you mean |
| 22:23:58
| <dominictarr> | jesusabdullah: whats the body font? |
| 22:24:26
| <jesusabdullah> | you mean Computer Modern? |
| 22:24:45
| <jesusabdullah> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_modern Instant Legitimacy |
| 22:25:28
| <mbalho> | isaacs: i was doin tacoconf route planning, im down at awaken now tho |
| 22:25:29
| <dominictarr> | oh, it's a whole family of fonts |
| 22:25:46
| <isaacs> | kewl |
| 22:25:55
| <isaacs> | mbalho: i'm back in my house, hacking the cryptos |
| 22:25:58
| <isaacs> | it's so HOT out! |
| 22:26:05
| <mbalho> | yea for realz |
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| <dominictarr> | "Computer Modern is the family of typefaces developed by Donald Knuth for TeX. It's so good-looking that some scientists do research just so they can write it up in Computer Modern." |
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| <dominictarr> | jesusabdullah: we need a metafont module |
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| <jesusabdullah> | dominictarr: Do we? CM is in OpenType and TTF formats |
| 22:40:01
| <dominictarr> | but it would be cool to tweak the parameters. |
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| <mcollina> | good night guys :) |
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| <dominictarr> | night! |
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| <dominictarr> | I'm off too |
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| <Domenic_> | Raynos that PR looks nice' |
| 23:07:21
| <Raynos> | it suffers from "ugh if git clone fails it assumes its unrecoverable" |
| 23:07:30
| <Raynos> | which is going to be a pain to refactor cleanly |
| 23:07:43
| <Raynos> | i could just get rid of the error logging >_> |
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| <Domenic_> | ya :-/ |
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| <Raynos> | isaacs: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/pull/3402 any recommendations on how to make this cleaner / better? |
| 23:16:01
| <isaacs> | Raynos: yeah, the fist one is failing, that's why it's printing that message. |
| 23:16:23
| <Raynos> | I understand that. I'm not sure how to make the code not print the message if its doing it twice |
| 23:16:24
| <isaacs> | Raynos: maybe turn that first one into a log.verbose, and then print a useful error if they both fail? |
| 23:16:41
| <isaacs> | Raynos: i haven't looked at the code |
| 23:16:55
| <Raynos> | ill try something |
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| <Raynos> | Fixed the issue ( https://github.com/isaacs/npm/pull/3402 ) |
| 23:32:32
| <Raynos> | dont feel like its a clean fix but it works |
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