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00:07:08  <dominictarr>hey, someone should go to this http://www.meetup.com/Geeklist-San-Francisco-Meetup-Series/events/115212152/
00:07:18  <dominictarr>substack: Raynos you have an hour
00:07:41  <dominictarr>oh, shit - I mean -25 hours
00:07:43  <dominictarr>never mind
00:08:08  <dominictarr>oh, no
00:08:23  <dominictarr>I got confused because I'm in tuesday already
00:08:28  <dominictarr>you do have 1 hour!
00:09:27  <rvagg>timezones suck
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00:21:48  <Raynos>dominictarr: :o
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00:29:56  <Raynos>dominictarr: I'll go to it
00:35:50  <no9>Raynos ask them when will we be able to run their server side component locally
00:36:06  <no9>I still can't see a download page for it
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01:01:02  <Raynos>no9: I see
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01:11:35  <no9>Raynos great where did you find it?
01:11:42  <Raynos>No
01:11:44  <Raynos>I dont
01:11:45  <Raynos>I just see
01:11:50  <Raynos>I see, what your problem is
01:13:10  <no9>It's not my problem as I am not using it but I just wondered if they felt that was an issue
01:14:46  <no9>If it's just they are not happy with the codebase then fine but if they think they have a model where they can pull people onto a proprietory stack coz they have some features then it won't end well
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01:39:30  <Nexxy>substack, i has a question regarding bundles & scope
01:40:29  <Nexxy>can I require the entrypoint somehow
01:40:32  <Nexxy>or get a reference to it
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01:44:40  <Nexxy>nm I think we figured it out
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03:59:52  <st_luke>Domenic_: star wars
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07:53:43  <joliss>... so substack tells me this is where the cool kids hang out ... ;)
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08:06:13  <substack>joliss: yep!
08:06:38  <substack>Nexxy: yep you should be able to require the entry point
08:08:44  <Nexxy>ya I think we were doing it backwards ;3
08:08:53  <substack>seems atypical anyways
08:09:11  <Nexxy>for browser testings
08:09:32  <Nexxy>well, testing in the browser
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08:36:19  <jesusabdullah>hay guise I had a productive evening
08:36:28  <jesusabdullah>like i sat down and did some shit and it got done
08:36:34  <jesusabdullah>oh man that's such a good feeling!
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09:35:46  <juliangruber>substack: why aren't you not on facebook?
09:56:47  <Nexxy>the facebook*
10:04:25  <jesusabdullah>he's totally on the facebooks
10:04:31  <jesusabdullah>just secret facebook
10:10:15  <jesusabdullah>:3
10:10:28  <jesusabdullah>nexxy how ur doin
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10:14:27  <jesusabdullah>hello cianomaidin
10:14:30  <jesusabdullah>!
10:15:14  <cianomaidin>hello
10:15:40  <cianomaidin>jesusabdullah: hello
10:16:19  <Nexxy>jesusabdullah, so fly
10:17:25  <jesusabdullah>Nexxy: perfect
10:17:31  <jesusabdullah>I'm having an alright day myself
10:17:50  <jesusabdullah>being relatively productive and gaining
10:18:18  <Nexxy>jesusabdullah, if you were here right now
10:18:24  <Nexxy>I'd give you a star
10:18:31  <Nexxy>of a color of your choosing
10:21:18  <jesusabdullah>awww :)
10:21:19  <jesusabdullah>thanks
10:21:34  <jesusabdullah>I could use the positive reinforcement XD
10:21:47  <jesusabdullah>look at this crazy thing http://pyte.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
10:34:31  <cianomaidin>jesusabdullah: hello jesus
10:34:45  <cianomaidin>jesusabdullah: were you looking for me
10:40:46  <jesusabdullah>naw cianomaidin just saying hello I don't see you very often so I thought I'd just wave
10:40:50  <jesusabdullah>cianomaidin sorry to distract
10:46:07  <jesusabdullah>whoa is it just me or is exterminate way better now
10:46:08  <jesusabdullah>word
10:51:56  <jesusabdullah>wow this is pretty sick
10:52:24  <jesusabdullah>I should fork this
10:54:02  <jesusabdullah>trying to decide if I like the idea of using that node-webkit thing
10:54:11  <jesusabdullah>it's a bit of an overhead but you can jam stuff into one binary
10:55:35  <jesusabdullah>nahhh, better to leave it open for hackability definitely
10:57:05  <jesusabdullah>substack: master of exterminate seems to have promblems for me when I do xtshow
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11:11:39  <jesusabdullah>this would be sweet for data-center-tycoon
11:11:46  <jesusabdullah>what with real image support XD
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14:28:21  <defunctzombie>Domenic_: zuul 0.0.7 with updated packages
14:28:25  <defunctzombie>and peerDep mocha
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14:52:36  <Domenic_>defunctzombie: sweet thanks :D
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15:47:08  <juliangruber>defunctzombie: https://github.com/ashnur/mocha-brown
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15:54:10  <defunctzombie>juliangruber: not sure why they didn't just use zuul
15:54:25  <defunctzombie>juliangruber: also, I hate tap output
15:54:26  <juliangruber>defunctzombie: who they?
15:54:31  <defunctzombie>the person that made this
15:54:39  <juliangruber>oh
15:54:46  <defunctzombie>tap output is stupid for humans to read
15:54:47  <juliangruber>I think he didn't know zuul
15:54:55  <juliangruber>but knew browser-run
15:54:59  <juliangruber>I kinda like tap output
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16:09:59  <Domenic_>substack et al: does browserify v2 still create cached ASTs? where did that code go?
16:10:29  <Domenic_>-1 on tap output
16:10:44  <Domenic_>you have to build a meta-protocol on top of it using comments to get anything reasonable
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16:12:04  <Domenic_>HOLY SHIT we just got bit by the browserify (v1) cache
16:12:30  <Domenic_>somehow our bundle was getting effed up and clearing the cache file fixed it!
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16:15:40  <Domenic_>that's never happened before
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17:37:44  <Raynos>Domenic_: whats wrong with TAP?
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17:41:07  <Domenic_>Raynos: not a strongly held opinion, but for humans it's pretty annoying to read (and as i said you have to build a meta-protocol on top using comments)
17:41:21  <Domenic_>also I have heard it is bad for streaming output because it needs the total number of tests up front or something?
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18:06:25  <Raynos>Domenic_: it can be streamed
18:06:53  <Raynos>Domenic_: it is verbose / annoying to read
18:07:31  <Raynos>Domenic_: This is countered by the ability to do `node test/some-test.js` and it just outputs TAP for only that test or countered by something like `test.only` (https://github.com/substack/tape#testonlyname-cb)
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19:25:57  <dominictarr>http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2013/04/30/180057507/the-boomerang-rocket-ship-shoot-it-up-back-it-comes
19:37:34  <Domenic_>Raynos: node-able tests are unrelated to TAP
19:37:58  <Domenic_>Raynos: and yeah you can hack stuff onto tap to make it have more features
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19:51:34  <juliangruber>Domenic_: what more do you need than exit codes and stack traces on errors?
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20:04:42  <Domenic_>juliangruber: some people like readable test output?
20:05:59  <juliangruber>Domenic_: for visual pleasure?
20:06:40  <Domenic_>not just visual. a more pleasant and usable debugging and testing experience helps improve my code quality
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20:07:57  <juliangruber>i understand
20:08:21  <juliangruber>and people probably write more tests if their test framework is beautiful or "cool"
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20:12:42  <dominictarr>Domenic_: I find mocha really aweful. it looks pretty, but it doesn't even give me full stack traces!
20:12:52  <Domenic_>dominictarr: I've never had that experience
20:13:12  <dominictarr>errors have stack traces, but not assertions?
20:13:27  <Domenic_>assertions give stack traces pointing to where they were thrown...
20:13:39  <dominictarr>hmm
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20:16:03  <dominictarr>okay, maybe this is should
20:17:25  <dominictarr>okay, looks like it was should that was producing no trace.
20:17:47  <dominictarr>Domenic_: okay, so I don't hate mocha then.
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20:48:00  <Raynos>Domenic_: TAP is reasonable readable :P
20:48:33  <Raynos>just dont write long tests
20:48:42  <Raynos>or big things D:
21:03:35  <djcoin>There is no color output and well, you have to match the error with the test case (if you write long tests this gets harder indeed)
21:07:31  <substack>tape tells you the assertion line and tap gives you the whole stack trace
21:15:48  <jesusabdullah>idk I've ran into a few issues before
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21:16:25  <jesusabdullah>I mean often the assert line is enough, there are ways to not get that though (thrown error for example)
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21:55:46  <Raynos>dominictarr: https://github.com/dominictarr/reconnect/commit/fbb99bdbe30c23369004cee33d196b8f653fe086#commitcomment-3164790
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23:21:43  <Raynos>isaacs: why do I think "this is production code. I should use some of isaacs modules they are all production ready!"
23:22:00  <Raynos>it unroots a strong correlation between "isaacs wrote it" and "production ready"
23:22:16  <isaacs>Raynos: because i've got extremely good credibility with you, apparently?
23:22:24  * isaacstakes it as a compliment, thank you! :D
23:22:38  <Raynos>"this should not leak" -> "use https://github.com/isaacs/node-lru-cache"
23:22:43  <isaacs>Raynos: i do try to write all code as if it's production quality. i just think it's a good practice.
23:22:52  <Raynos>but for some reason I just assume your code is not buggy
23:22:59  <Raynos>like I assume dominictarr/through is not buggy
23:23:02  <isaacs>Raynos: because it isn't :)
23:23:16  <Raynos>"isaacs wrote it === no bugs"
23:23:18  <isaacs>i mean, lru-cache in particular is used quite extensively in many production apps
23:23:23  <isaacs>but my code DOES have bugs, almost always.
23:23:27  <isaacs>becasue all code has lots of bugs.
23:23:31  <isaacs>code is MADE OF bugs.
23:23:32  <Raynos>wait a second ... this feels like a fallacy
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23:25:20  <dominictarr>you just have one upwards off by one error, and you balance that against a downwards off by one error
23:25:31  <dominictarr>then, you get the correct number!
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23:32:43  <Raynos>isaacs: does it make sense to want an event from an lru cache when the cache has gone over max size?
23:32:50  <Raynos>for logging / leak detection purposes
23:33:14  <isaacs>Raynos: no
23:33:40  <isaacs>Raynos: set the max to the number of items you want in the queue. set a max age if that matters to you. it'll do what it says on teh tin, and drop the least-recently-used item, in an O(1) manner.
23:35:57  <Raynos>isaacs: well I want maxAge, I also want to set max to something sensible and get notified if my implementation is being not sensible
23:36:29  <isaacs>Raynos: the idea behind a lru cache is that you wnat ot always have the active items in the cache
23:36:35  <isaacs>Raynos: so, just set a hard limit.
23:36:50  <Raynos>Yeah I guess I can set a hard limit
23:36:53  <isaacs>Raynos: how many items is "Sensible"? why would you ever want more than that in the cache? just set the "sensible" value as the limt.
23:36:55  <Raynos>I just dont know whats sensible
23:36:59  <isaacs>hehe
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23:37:06  <Raynos>so I want to get notified
23:37:10  <isaacs>sure.
23:37:12  <Raynos>whether my opinion of sensible is good or bad :P
23:37:23  <Raynos>maybe I should measure the volume of this thing
23:37:34  <isaacs>set it reasonably high, then monitor memory usage, and if it goes way way up, then reduce that limit.
23:37:43  <isaacs>it's kind of a "guess and check" sort of thing
23:38:07  <isaacs>Raynos: note that maxAge expired items are *not* preemptively removed, since that would be a TON of timers and craziness.
23:38:20  <isaacs>Raynos: and the whole point is to use minimal CPU and predictable space.
23:38:33  <Raynos>is there a function I can call
23:38:34  <Raynos>ti clean it up?
23:39:08  <Raynos>cleanup is just O(n) :P
23:40:19  <Raynos>`cache.forEach(function (_, k) { cache.has(k) })` will do that
23:41:08  <Raynos>oh wait
23:41:11  <Raynos>has doesnt purge
23:41:22  <isaacs>i think it purges maxAge maybe?
23:41:38  <isaacs>oh, no it doesn't
23:42:10  <Raynos>its ok
23:42:13  <Raynos>ill call cache.get(k)
23:42:16  <Raynos>on a setInterval
23:42:22  <isaacs>Raynos: eeeeewwwwwwwww
23:42:26  <isaacs>Raynos: why are you even using an lru?
23:42:27  <isaacs>srsly.
23:42:37  <Raynos>I just need a cache with maxAge
23:42:41  <Raynos>thats all
23:42:48  <Raynos>is there a better thing?
23:42:55  <isaacs>also, eeeewww at this code. every time i look at it, i think, "wtf, why haven't i rewritten this to a simpler ctor/prototype style yet"
23:42:57  <Raynos>What I really need is a rolling window
23:43:10  <Raynos>a rolling window on a stream
23:43:18  <Raynos>I just want 2 minutes worth of data of a stream buffered
23:43:20  <isaacs>Raynos: what you want is a queue
23:43:26  <isaacs>Raynos: with keyed access
23:43:30  <Raynos>so that reads to this stream get the real time stuff + 2 minutes of history
23:43:33  <isaacs>right
23:43:46  <Raynos>I think nodejitsu wrote something for this
23:44:04  <Raynos>https://github.com/indexzero/window-stream
23:44:05  <Raynos>-.-
23:44:16  <isaacs>Raynos: so, create a simple queue, where you have a get(key) function that also has links to the same data objects.
23:44:34  <isaacs>Raynos: when it gets too large, pop() off the other side, check its key, and delete from the access object.
23:45:15  <Raynos>i dont actually care about keys
23:45:27  <isaacs>Raynos: then why are you using any kind of cache at all?
23:45:56  <Raynos>I just need to buffer n records and stick them to the front of a stream
23:46:05  <Raynos>anyway
23:46:09  <Raynos>I will just write my own thing
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23:49:59  <Raynos>i just dislike implementing any kind of buffering
23:50:04  <Raynos>because 100% garantuee to fuck it up
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