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04:41:59  <shama>anyone know an easy way to get the value of an identifier when walking ast (using falafel)? or do I need to just catalog all identifiers and search?
04:43:23  <shama>Trying to get this -> https://github.com/shama/workerify to read more than just: new Worker('string')... such as: new Worker(variable)
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04:58:21  <mbalho>substack: cc o/
05:00:40  <substack>shama: yes you can do that, just console.dir() the node types to figure it out
05:02:07  <shama>substack: oh neat didnt know about console.dir... thanks!
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05:23:37  <defunctzombie>isaacs: when running "npm ls" if the install path is not from npm (aka a version) then the path should be shown next to version
05:23:50  <defunctzombie>isaacs: otherwise a user might confuse upstream version with custom one
05:24:04  <defunctzombie>isaacs: https://github.com/shtylman/node-browser-resolve/issues/27#issuecomment-19507255
05:27:39  <mbalho>so we should probably start using protocol buffers for leveldb since they were both written by the same person
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06:11:28  <mbalho>chrisdickinson cameo at 12:07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky9MPO2caIk&t=12m7s
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06:28:13  <dlmanning>mbalho: woah. I had to watch that twice to convince myself it wasn't really him
06:56:34  <mbalho>dlmanning: yea its pretty spot on
06:56:40  <mbalho>dlmanning: until the guy starts talking
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07:55:12  <jesusabdullah>oof
07:55:26  <jesusabdullah>I don't think I've met chrisdickinson irl
07:55:31  <jesusabdullah>I really need to get out more
07:55:39  <jesusabdullah>hopefully my next gig sends me to a conference or two
07:55:41  <jesusabdullah>hopeful :)
08:01:02  <dlmanning>jesusabdullah: come to portland!
08:01:21  <dlmanning>Cause... you know... Portland. I guess.
08:02:12  <dlmanning>They film Grimm here
08:02:53  <jesusabdullah>I've been a few times
08:03:09  <jesusabdullah>the favorite for permajob is in the bay again though
08:03:14  <jesusabdullah>which is cool too but, yeah, not portland
08:03:22  <jesusabdullah>I'll find an excuse to visit again though I'm sure!
08:03:52  <dlmanning>Sure SF is great if you want "a job" to make "money"
08:05:05  <dlmanning>But Portland has volcanos within its city limits
08:11:27  <substack>mount tabor!
08:11:39  <dlmanning>yup
08:11:59  <dlmanning>Also mount sylvania
08:12:08  <dlmanning>And I think a couple more
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08:22:19  <jesusabdullah>yeah well
08:22:37  <jesusabdullah>SF probably has a fault line within its city limits
08:24:26  <jesusabdullah>ugh these mosquitoes are terrible
08:26:48  <jesusabdullah>I gassed half the property with insecticide today
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08:28:56  <jesusabdullah>oh and dlmanning in my defense I'm so poor right now I'm staying with my parents so I can mooch off their food instead of buying my own, thus temporarily keeping myself in the black until I'm able to arrange moneys
08:29:18  <jesusabdullah>(which is on the way, it just turns out international money transfers are a Whole Thing)
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09:58:19  <jesusabdullah>so what's erryone up to tonight?
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10:10:04  <substack>frameworks only seem to exist because (1) databases are really crappy and (2) that's what people know
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10:13:35  <jesusabdullah>I think there are other reasons
10:14:04  <jesusabdullah>too lazy/tired to try to iterate over any of them right now, I wrote a blog post about it but, yeah
10:14:30  <jesusabdullah>It's a cultural question, I think, more than a technical one. Clearly you can build web apps using a number of different approaches
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13:19:04  <dominictarr>this might work well for rpi http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-3-5-inch-Car-Monitor-Dashboard-LCD-Rear-View-Reverse-Backup-Camera-US-System-/171047488576?pt=US_Rear_View_Monitors_Cams_Kits&hash=item27d3398c40
13:19:10  <dominictarr>although, 12 volt
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13:22:04  <dominictarr>aha! http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=17651
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15:43:43  <mikolalysenko>halp. what am I doing wrong with svg graphics in markdown?
15:43:56  <mikolalysenko>here is a link: https://github.com/mikolalysenko/phase-unwrap#input-signal
15:44:07  <mikolalysenko>the image url is not working, and I don't understand why...
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15:50:16  <mikolalysenko>bah, I put them on github.io but it still screws up...
15:50:33  <mikolalysenko>wait. now it is working for some reason...
15:51:44  <mikolalysenko>must have something to do with mimetypes in the content header github serves up...
16:01:17  <dominictarr>mikolalysenko: hey, I want to iterate over every pair of points that are within R
16:01:29  <dominictarr>currently, I'm sorting the whole set
16:01:42  <dominictarr>and then doing a handshaking lemma like thing
16:01:52  <dominictarr>is there a better way?
16:02:14  <dominictarr>R is a radius, of course
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16:06:23  <dlmanning>dominictarr: that's a really interesting problem
16:07:02  <dlmanning>You want every pair of points that are within R of one another?
16:07:12  <dominictarr>yes
16:07:16  <dlmanning>So there's no center
16:07:40  <dominictarr>yeah, I don't need to get everytihng within radius
16:07:51  <dominictarr>I tried that first actuall
16:08:00  <dominictarr>but I'm always iterating over the entire set
16:08:06  <dominictarr>and then looking at pairs
16:08:18  <dlmanning>So like a bunch of points on a plane and you want every pair of points that are not more than a certain distance apart
16:08:22  <dominictarr>(I'm playing with a verlet based fluid, thing)
16:08:43  <dominictarr>dlmanning: yes
16:08:54  <dlmanning>wow
16:09:01  <dominictarr>eachPair(r, physics)
16:09:36  <dominictarr>where physics decides if they attract each other or repulse, etc.
16:10:28  <dlmanning>This is gonna be in my head all day
16:10:37  <guybrush_>dominictarr: this is doing broadphase right? you might want to take a look here https://github.com/schteppe/cannon.js/tree/master/src/collision
16:10:50  <dominictarr>dlmanning: want to make a physics game, but with globs of ouze sliming about and stuff
16:10:55  <guybrush_>but im not sure at all :p if i understood your problem
16:10:57  <dlmanning>dominictarr: Is there a version on git?
16:11:14  <dlmanning>of what you're doing right now
16:11:34  <dominictarr>hang on, I'll push it.
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16:36:05  <dominictarr>dlmanning: https://github.com/dominictarr/nearby
16:39:54  <mikolalysenko>dominictarr: try this: https://github.com/mikolalysenko/n-body-pairs
16:40:18  <mikolalysenko>dominictarr: also if you got time you should add a pull request here: https://github.com/mikolalysenko/n-body-bench
16:44:53  <mikolalysenko>it uses typedarrays though, but should work in n-dimensions
16:46:03  <dlmanning>dominictarr: thanks!
16:46:33  <mikolalysenko>dlmanning: also did you see the thing I just posted?
16:48:06  <dlmanning>I did. I'm reading it now
16:48:11  <dominictarr>mikolalysenko: how much faster are typed arrays -- ball park?
16:48:50  <mikolalysenko>for this? 2-3 times
16:51:19  <mikolalysenko>also the algorithm used in that code is more efficient than sweep & prune
16:51:52  <mikolalysenko>basically it hashes points to boxes and sorts the sparse list of hashed boxes
16:51:58  <mikolalysenko>it also works in arbitrary dimensions
16:52:04  <mikolalysenko>like 2d/3d/4d/etc. ...
16:52:10  <dominictarr>cool - that is really great
16:52:16  <dominictarr>okay, I'm just gonna use this.
16:53:08  <dominictarr>mikolalysenko: thanks!
16:53:39  <mikolalysenko>dominictarr: cool, you are welcome!
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17:10:44  <mikolalysenko>dominictarr: I have been meaning to build a better version of that library that works with variable sized bodies and ndarrays of points
17:11:04  <mikolalysenko>but it is pretty far down my list of things to do, and the current version already works well enough
17:12:54  <dominictarr>as it happens, constant sized bodies work well for my usecase!
17:13:20  <mikolalysenko>dominictarr: awesome!
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19:55:26  <Raynos>dominictarr: ping
19:55:54  <dominictarr>Raynos: yo
19:56:02  <dominictarr>we should figure out that thing
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20:13:10  <mikeal>man, ordering not being guaranteed makes everything not work :)
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20:46:10  <Kessler>funny readme https://github.com/felixge/go-redis
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20:49:34  <Kessler>dominictarr: ping :)
20:49:56  <dominictarr>whats up?
20:50:04  <Kessler>config-chain question, got a mo ?
20:50:17  <dominictarr>use rc instead
20:50:47  <dominictarr>but sure - what question?
20:51:04  <Kessler>you already told me that once... but as I understood then RC is only sugar on top of cc no ?
20:51:10  <Kessler>fixed locations etc
20:52:15  <Kessler>ohh
20:52:17  <Kessler>hmm
20:52:49  <Kessler>well it be easy to move from to ?
20:53:08  <Kessler>anyways, I just want to know if command line is suppose to override nested json config
20:53:20  <Kessler>say I have { x : { y: 1} }
20:53:35  <Kessler> { x : { y: 1, z: 2} }
20:53:47  <Kessler>and I go "node moo --x.y=3"
20:54:11  <Kessler>will rc behave differently than cc by merging ?
20:54:31  <Kessler>(I just looked at RC and i can see its a new implementation)
20:54:35  <dominictarr>rc doesn't use cc anymore
20:54:45  <dominictarr>so that it can merge nested config
20:54:55  <Kessler>and cc cant
20:55:10  <dominictarr>no, it relies on prototype chains
20:55:32  <Kessler>ah moving another config module again, I wish I've listened to you earlier about that
20:55:54  <dominictarr>my dream with rc is two fold.
20:56:24  <dominictarr>1. that everyone does config exactly the same way, so you never need to read config loading code
20:56:33  <dominictarr>2. that i never update rc again
20:56:49  <Kessler>2 :)
20:57:32  <dominictarr>sometimes I write a commit message : "first and last commit ever in this library"
20:58:10  <dominictarr>but then I have to fix something silly
20:58:46  <Kessler>heh
20:59:16  <Kessler>I dont think I ever thought of a possibility to write this kind of commit message, but its good to aim high I say
21:00:01  <Kessler>Anyways I'll use rc in my next stuffs
21:00:35  <Kessler>so just to wrap it up, cc will override the entire hash if I use command line as above?
21:01:16  <Kessler>{ x : { y: 1, z: 2} } -> node moo --x.y=3 -> { x: { y: 3} }
21:03:42  <dominictarr>correct
21:03:46  <jesusabdullah>grncdr: You around?
21:04:56  <Kessler>dominictarr: muchas gracias
21:05:00  <Kessler>hi j
21:05:30  <dominictarr>Kessler: oh yeah - rc now searches for a local file named .APPNAMErc I vaguely recall you needed something like that, maybe
21:05:49  <Kessler>I'm perusing it
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21:20:59  <thl0>dominictarr: I actually like the explicitness of cc better
21:21:24  <thl0>esp. if new devs join a project - it's easier to see how the config is derived
21:22:10  <dominictarr>you are entitled to your opinion
21:22:27  <thl0>:)
21:23:02  <thl0>of course if you just wanna get up and running quickly rc be the better choice ;)
21:23:25  <guybrush_>best is require('./config.js')
21:24:40  <guybrush_>or even require('./config')(cfgToExtend)
21:24:41  <Kessler>Well transition from cc to rc went smoothly than some objects I won't mention here
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21:24:55  <Kessler>guybrush_: think you are walking into a mine field :)
21:25:09  <guybrush_>:D
21:25:27  <guybrush_>its all about opinions, i like to express mine :p
21:25:49  <Kessler>sure sure :) I'm just saying... not censoring
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21:29:41  <dominictarr>guybrush_: that is how I do it actually! but I use rc inside config.js
21:30:12  <dominictarr>of course, config.js is inside the project, and checked in.
21:30:12  <guybrush_>right :D
21:30:41  <dominictarr>executable metadata is kinda bad
21:30:46  <guybrush_>though i looked at rc a lot
21:31:04  <dominictarr>like in rubygems where each package is defined in a ruby script
21:31:31  <guybrush_>right, but i like to dynamically generate my config
21:31:43  <guybrush_>so i can make it depend on various stuff
21:32:01  <guybrush_>for example a random port-number
21:33:45  <guybrush_>but really, i admire everyones opinion here and i think the guy who ever hast to maintain the system should do what he thinks is best - everyone else using this system has to follow his opinion
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21:34:12  <guybrush_>so on my servers/system everything just works like i think it should :p
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21:41:35  <mbalho>dominictarr: https://github.com/maxogden/socket-sync/blob/master/index.js
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21:42:00  <mbalho>dominictarr: other side https://github.com/maxogden/socket-sync/blob/master/www/index.js
21:42:28  <mbalho>dominictarr: got everything wired up, just need to get binary working, i believe you said you needed to patch something?
21:43:19  <dominictarr>mbalho: oh yeah, it's super simple, just give me 10 min
21:44:30  <jesusabdullah>cool, got a minor API improvement in vc :)
21:45:25  <jesusabdullah>grncdr: I'm gettin' lunch but I've got a refactor in mind w/ browserify-cdn and wanted to touch base with you before diving in
21:45:39  <jesusabdullah>Kessler: rvagg I had a pretty sweet idea this morning
21:45:50  <Kessler>jesusabdullah: shoot
21:46:10  <jesusabdullah>Kessler: rvagg: npm-publish-stream + godot + exponential weighted moving average reactor + dashboard = real-time NPM publish stats
21:46:23  <jesusabdullah>okay getting lunch
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21:47:15  <Kessler>nice!
21:50:39  <Kessler>jesusabdullah: ping when you're back
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21:53:06  <guybrush_>mbalho: woah so little code doing so much
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21:59:41  <guybrush_>is it bad practice to reuse modules installed alread inside other modules? like require('watchify/node_modules/browserify') - i dont see downsides
22:00:26  <guybrush_>its like manual `npm dedupe`
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22:06:49  <dominictarr>guybrush_: yeah that is a pretty bad idea
22:07:00  <guybrush_>oh ok
22:07:09  <dominictarr>watchify might change, and if it breaks your app...
22:07:21  <dominictarr>it would be your fault...
22:07:32  <guybrush_>right, but when i pin the version?
22:07:39  <guybrush_>but i see what you mean
22:08:10  <guybrush_>as soon as there is a package that doesnt pin a version it breaks
22:08:16  <dominictarr>you would be relying on something that is not part of the public api
22:09:18  <dominictarr>guybrush_: well, maybe - if they use semver correctly, (and don't publish bugs…without noticing quickly) you should be fine.
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22:23:02  <substack>you'll still have issues if npm factors out a version up a level
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22:31:22  <Kessler>jesusabdullah: gotta hit the sack, ttyl
22:31:27  <Kessler>'night people
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22:40:14  <dominictarr>mbalho: okay, the latest level-replicatie has binary support
22:40:24  <dominictarr>by default, it uses base64
22:40:35  <dominictarr>but if you go level-replicate/msgpack
22:40:39  <dominictarr>then you get msgpack!
22:43:49  <substack>http://warscapes.com/literature/cryptogams-nsa
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23:16:48  <jesusabdullah>heh
23:16:53  <jesusabdullah>k back
23:16:56  <jesusabdullah>so much food
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23:21:10  <chapel>jesusabdullah: what kind of food?
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23:46:37  <jesusabdullah>chapel: burgers, mac salad, beans, chicken, y'know grillin' stuff
23:49:08  <dominictarr>substack: interesting point! that nsa building a complete archive of the internet is gonna be greate for archelogists one day
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23:53:25  <grncdr>jesusabdullah: still around?
23:55:03  <jesusabdullah>yeah
23:55:15  <jesusabdullah>one sec testing out this npm publishes event Godot stream thing
23:55:40  <grncdr>kk
23:56:25  <jesusabdullah>grncdr: Okay, so, I was thinking about doing some work on the caching situation in browserify-cdn today
23:56:54  <jesusabdullah>grncdr: was wondering how you felt about trying to tackle https://github.com/jesusabdullah/browserify-cdn/issues/9
23:57:08  <jesusabdullah>grncdr: and if you were down, I wanted to talk about how my work would interact with this work
23:58:35  <substack>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtOQi7xspRc