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00:00:43  <hij1nx>hmm, we must have different ways of using it that are causing the case to occur
00:00:47  <substack>__dirname is interpolated by brfs
00:00:51  <hij1nx>yes
00:00:57  <substack>before insert-module-globals gets to it
00:01:03  <hij1nx>i had julian try it and it did not work for him as well
00:01:09  <substack>so try this:
00:01:21  <substack>var fs = require('fs');
00:01:21  <substack>var src = fs.readFileSync(__dirname + '/../ripple.js', 'utf8');
00:01:25  <substack>that worked for me
00:01:42  <hij1nx>substack: yep, does not work for me, latest version
00:02:00  <substack>are you running with -t brfs?
00:02:11  <hij1nx>i using the api
00:02:18  <substack>try with the command
00:02:20  <hij1nx>perhaps thats the difference?
00:02:23  <hij1nx>ok
00:02:49  <hij1nx>that works for me as well
00:02:54  <hij1nx>but i need to use it from the api
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00:05:45  <hij1nx>looks like im using the api correctly.
00:05:48  <hij1nx>hmm
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00:11:51  <hij1nx>hmm, actually it doesnt work for me from the commandline
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00:13:25  <hij1nx>substack: i'll try to come up with a test that can reproduce the condition
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00:24:38  <hij1nx>substack: ah, the problem seems to be with passing a joined path instead of `__dirname + '/../foo.html`
00:26:49  <hij1nx>substack: so `fs.readFileSync(path.join(__dirname, '..', 'css', 'index.css'))` does not work but `fs.readFileSync(__dirname + '/../css/index.css')` does work, could it be the way its parsing the AST?
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01:25:42  <guybrush>woaah stop using index.js, i have so much index.js in my editor its hard to navigate :D
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02:18:31  <jesusabdullah>lol, yeeeah I've been there
02:20:40  <mikolalysenko>bonus: using source maps to debug in chrome. lots of node_modules/...too many characters, scrolled out of pane.../index.js
02:24:48  <mikolalysenko>man, I think that getting sparse arrays working in ndarrays is going to be much easier than I thought
02:29:24  <guybrush>sweet can you elaborate? i did only look at the master branch
02:30:56  <guybrush>oh its way less code now :D
02:31:16  <mikolalysenko>guybrush: yeah, though I also took out a bunch of stuff
02:31:47  <mikolalysenko>guybrush: but I think it is for the best. after this change I think it will be "finished" (optimistically)
02:32:04  <mikolalysenko>at least the core ndarray stuff anyway, though other modules will still get built on top of it
02:33:19  <mikolalysenko>also the changes made slicing a lot faster
02:39:34  <jesusabdullah>ugh, streams2's are >_<
02:44:37  <guybrush>isaacs: it would be cool to have the curser in the search-field uppon visiting npmjs.org
02:45:22  <guybrush>i will make an issue (:
02:48:05  <jesusabdullah>substack: Didn't you write a thing that wraps an object and returns something that acts like that object but is also a function?
02:48:44  <jesusabdullah>substack: terminal-menu is missing its screenie :(
02:48:47  <jesusabdullah>substack: will PR this
02:49:25  <jesusabdullah>substack: leastways, I will if you remind me what the name of that object wrapping thing is
02:49:36  <jesusabdullah>substack: I decided to try writing kenny-loggins
02:49:47  <jesusabdullah>substack: with *gulp* streams2
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02:58:45  <jesusabdullah>ahaha that terminal is AWESOME
03:01:22  <jesusabdullah>and by terminal I mean terminal menu
03:01:55  <guybrush>a terminal with a menu is an ide :p
03:04:31  <niftylettuce>Does anyone here know how to make a Context Menu for DESKTOP (not browser) via NPAPI plugin? Or could point me in the right direction? I know about Chrome's context menu, but I want DESKTOP specifically, installed via Chrome, similar to the .so .dll etc files in Chrome Remote Desktop. Been trying to reverse engineer that and figure out how it's done.
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03:12:46  <niftylettuce>looks like i found the source (i think) https://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/remoting/
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03:15:09  <jcrugzz>npmjs.org down for any of you guys?
03:15:30  <jcrugzz>isaacs ^
03:16:42  <jcrugzz>and shes back
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03:27:58  <chrisdickinson>hm, npm install nodeconf2013 is giving me all sorts of issues.
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04:07:34  <jesusabdullah>guys, I need a company name
04:08:51  <Domenic_>Rocketturtle
04:10:53  <jcrugzz>jesusabdullah: whats the company do
04:10:58  <jcrugzz>tis the question
04:13:32  <jesusabdullah>jcrugzz: it's for my consulting business, sole proprietorship and such
04:13:52  <jcrugzz>ah ok cool
04:16:34  <jcrugzz>yea naming things is hard xD
04:17:02  <jesusabdullah>Alaskloud maybe
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04:20:17  <chilts>Askloud
04:20:23  <chilts>wait no, ASKLOUD
04:20:38  <jcrugzz>I CANT HEAR YOU
04:20:38  <LOUDBOT>IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST NIGHT, YOU HAVE TO, AH FUCK IT.
04:20:44  <chilts>heh
04:21:44  <jcrugzz>jesusabdullah: depends on what you want your message to be, but that seems reasonable. i get alaska and ask loud out of it
04:21:56  <jesusabdullah>I was thinking
04:22:03  <jesusabdullah>Joshua's Software Consulting Emporium
04:22:10  <jesusabdullah>!ddg !define emporium
04:22:11  <_ddgbot>http://www.thefreedictionary.com/emporium
04:26:42  <jesusabdullah>Susitna Software?
04:31:27  <chilts>nock is nice
04:32:18  <jcrugzz>chilts: checkout https://github.com/mmalecki/hock
04:32:54  <chilts>jcrugzz: thanks ... will do
04:33:13  <jcrugzz>nock can drive you crazy with nondeterminism at times since it does string comparisons on the things
04:33:40  <chilts>jcrugzz: man, I was thinking of writing a server like that ... but it's already done! :) thanks for pointing me to it
04:33:47  <jcrugzz>no problem :)
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04:34:47  <chilts>so I'm using nock with my AwsSum libraries which talk to the AWS APIs, so not having to think about being able to change all the libraries to talk to a certain port on localhost is good!
04:34:58  <chilts>however, hock will come in handy for other things I'm sure
04:36:37  <jcrugzz>yea that makes sense
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04:40:49  <jesusabdullah>went with
04:40:55  <jesusabdullah>Josh & Bird Software Consulting
04:40:57  <jesusabdullah>hehe
04:41:30  <jcrugzz>you and your bird companion taking on the world
04:42:52  <jesusabdullah>yup
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04:51:01  <jcrugzz>waiting for sendgrid to provision me an account
04:51:37  <jcrugzz>its not like they are provisoning me a server
04:52:40  <jesusabdullah>what if they ARE
04:53:07  <jesusabdullah>You get a POP server! You get a POP server! Everybody gets a POP server!!!
04:53:11  <jesusabdullah>er, not POP, SMTP
04:53:16  <jesusabdullah>whateva!
04:54:14  <jcrugzz>i mean its plausible
04:54:20  <jcrugzz>but for a free acct
04:54:22  <jcrugzz>not likely
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05:27:17  <jesusabdullah>jcrugzz: Look at Nodejitsu. #justsayin ;)
05:29:22  <jesusabdullah>awww, no substizzy
05:39:24  <jcrugzz>yea that would be quickest i suppose but ill trust your module works for the time being ;)
05:40:27  <jcrugzz>jesusabdullah: https://github.com/jcrugzz/sendgrid-stream
05:40:32  <jcrugzz>i took a stab at streams2
05:40:40  <jcrugzz>not too terrible
05:45:10  <jesusabdullah>Yeah jcrugzz I figure if you just inherit the shit out of everything and don't need much out of the ordinary it's okay
05:45:14  <jesusabdullah>that said
05:45:18  <jesusabdullah>for "object" streams?
05:45:22  <jesusabdullah>streams1 all the way
05:45:29  <jesusabdullah>streams2 is optimized for buffeurs
05:45:33  <jesusabdullah>unapologetically
05:47:31  <jcrugzz>yea makes sense. i just had to play with the api a little bit
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11:34:37  <defunctzombie>juliangruber: +1 from me
11:34:51  <defunctzombie>juliangruber: how would you like to detect old IE?
11:34:58  <defunctzombie>will accept a patch :)
11:43:53  <defunctzombie>juliangruber: https://github.com/juliangruber/fix-ev/blob/master/index.js#L40
11:43:58  <defunctzombie>is that suppose to be false?
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15:46:14  <thl0>mbalho: does your g-friend know anything about the github api being unresponsive?
15:47:22  <thl0>looks like I'm gonna have to put in some timeout to ensure my app doesn't hang for good b/c I never get a response at times (the closer I get to per_page: 100, the less likely it is to ever return)
15:48:50  <mbalho>thl0: ah weird, she probably doesnt know anything more than https://status.github.com/
15:49:06  <thl0>mbalho: ok, thanks
15:50:07  <thl0>mbalho: I guess statistics lie ;) 'API Availability : Normal' -- no way
15:51:04  <thl0>they probably just ping it instead of making real requests like I am doing, otherwise they would realize that sometimes the server never responds to certain requests
15:51:15  <mbalho>thl0: hehe
15:53:03  <thl0>mbalho: it's directly related to the number of pages I wanna include in one response
15:53:19  <thl0>wonder if they prefer smaller page size requests somehow
15:53:46  <thl0>or if the servers just can't put together the entire response b/c they are overloaded
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16:26:12  <jjjohnny>i haven't logged in to my fake facebook acct with zero friends in a long time, yet I just got a message indicating facebook knows my real location
16:26:31  <jjjohnny>"People you may know in Oakland"
16:26:46  <jjjohnny>i dont even have oakland set as my fake fb acct location
16:27:18  <jcrugzz>jjjohnny: but they read your cookies
16:28:02  <jjjohnny>by i dont use fb
16:28:05  <jjjohnny>or log in
16:28:43  <jjjohnny>i just get these annoying emails about people my zero-friend acct my know
16:29:05  <jjjohnny>i supposed i may have in the past
16:29:14  <jjjohnny>logged in from oakland
16:29:25  <jcrugzz>yea it had to have grabbed the info from somewhere
16:29:42  <jcrugzz>but yea i avoid fb
16:29:50  <jjjohnny>unless they used my email address to mine data outside fb
16:30:12  <jjjohnny>and build a private fb profile
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16:31:34  <jjjohnny>what does your personal profile look like to google and fb i wonder
16:31:47  <jjjohnny>what is your anti-profile
16:33:10  <jjjohnny>a company's data ABOUT you should by law be available
16:33:20  <jjjohnny>their internal profile of who you are
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16:34:15  <jjjohnny>I DEMAND IT
16:34:16  <LOUDBOT>MY DARK KNIGHT IS RISING, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
16:34:55  <jcrugzz>lol
16:35:23  <jcrugzz>jjjohnny: idealistic currently. there is too much money to be made off of information
16:35:58  <jcrugzz>it just needs to be easy for people to secure their shit. reliance on google, fb and the like doesnt help the situation though
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16:45:26  <jjjohnny>just imagine your "profile" on the other side of the mirror
16:45:36  <jjjohnny>what grotesque do they make of you, I wonder
16:48:03  <jcrugzz>they probably have different versions
16:48:13  <jcrugzz>depending on what company they are selling the information to
16:49:00  <mikolalysenko>how much is my information worth I wonder? can I undercut fb/google/whatever and sell my stuff directly to the man for a few bucks?
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17:08:50  <jcrugzz>maybe
17:09:26  <jcrugzz>but you gotta have all the information of all your neighbors at least
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17:12:59  <jjjohnny>yeah your info is worhtless with out that relational data
17:13:18  <jez0990>I don't think browserify is picking up my browser field ...any tips on how to debug this?
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17:22:41  <dominictarr>jjjohnny: http://subprotocol.com/verlet-js/examples/cloth.html
17:23:48  <dominictarr>jez0990: try and reproduce it with a simple script - ie. away from your app
17:23:53  <dominictarr>make a 3 file example
17:24:07  <dominictarr>package.json, index.js, browser.js
17:25:22  <jez0990>dominictarr: yeah I should do that
17:25:58  <jez0990>I have levelgraph working in the browser :) just trying to make it fit elegantly into the structure that's already there
17:26:18  <dominictarr>when you find your self standing in mud, go look for solid ground.
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17:26:35  <dominictarr>jez0990: awesome
17:26:54  <dominictarr>it's so hard to keep track of all the awesome level-* stuff these days!
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17:50:38  <dominictarr>http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2013/06/25/ssl-intercepted-today-decrypted-tomorrow.html?utm_content=buffercdb0f&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer
17:55:18  <mikolalysenko>tada: ndarray 1.0 : https://github.com/mikolalysenko/ndarray
17:59:32  <mikolalysenko>still working through changes, but the new version is much simpler and supports sparse arrays as well
18:00:02  <jcrugzz>jjjohnny: seems quite timely that this would show up on my feed http://www.zdnet.com/firm-facebooks-shadow-profiles-are-frightening-dossiers-on-everyone-7000017199/
18:03:09  <jcrugzz>dominctarr++ definitely a good read
18:03:13  <jjjohnny>jcrugzz: ah shit
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18:12:34  <jjjohnny>WTF is fs.read about? Is that old or new?
18:12:50  <jjjohnny>http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/fs.html#fs_fs_read_fd_buffer_offset_length_position_callback
18:17:40  <jcrugzz>i guesss thats reading from a raw file descriptor. it existed in 0.8 it seems http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.8.23/api/fs.html#fs_fs_read_fd_buffer_offset_length_position_callback
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19:19:22  <dominictarr>jjjohnny: fs.read is the low level file api. it's used to implement readFile and createReadStream.
19:19:28  <dominictarr>see also: fs.write
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19:30:41  <calvinfo>just wrote a tutorial post: http://calv.info/an-introduction-to-nodes-new-streams/
19:30:45  <calvinfo>feedback very welcome :)
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20:29:45  <jez0990>I think I figured out the issue, browserify won't let me override the stream module from browser-builtins with my own (readable-stream)
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20:43:35  <defunctzombie>juliangruber: https://github.com/shtylman/dom-events/pull/5#issuecomment-20042906
20:43:44  <defunctzombie>juliangruber: this is not the way to treat a pull request
20:44:06  <defunctzombie>juliangruber: nor is it a way to be a good developer towards other projects
20:47:52  <jjjohnny>streams and node's fs functionality for the browser File System API https://github.com/NHQ/nbfs
20:49:02  <jjjohnny>mmckegg: I reverted to your method of calling the fs in private (instead of a user callback)
20:54:38  <juliangruber>defunctzombie: i'm adding something if you want to but if you don't it's not that bad
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21:01:49  <tanepiper>i should pay more attention in here.
21:02:12  <tanepiper>"7 days of unread messages"
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21:06:39  <tanepiper>In other news I'm getting a full time node job :D
21:09:58  <thl0>mbalho: not github's fault after all: https://twitter.com/thl0/status/349997843634847744
21:13:07  <snoj>congrats tanepiper
21:13:26  <snoj>and might I add "you lucky dog"
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21:15:42  <chilts>tanepiper: congrats!
21:15:52  <chapel>tanepiper: awesome
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21:16:32  <chapel>my job isn't specifically node.js, but I was hired due to that experience and I can write what I want how I want it essentially
21:19:01  <tanepiper>well yea there is lots of frontend too - but it's basically full stack
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21:35:09  <chapel>tanepiper: where at?
21:38:20  <tanepiper>well i'm not saying yet as we need to dot the i's and cross the t's :)
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21:41:57  <jesusabdullah>http://consulting.jesusabdullah.net nobody ever said I was good at graphic design XD
21:42:17  <jesusabdullah>speaking of, I'll have to get substack to do a style for browserify-cdn when it goes live
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22:39:25  <chilts>jesusabdullah: your freenode link needs a slight fix :)
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22:47:47  <dominictarr>jesusabdullah: lol "generally a nice person"
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23:01:37  <defunctzombie>jesusabdullah: I like the "testimonial" haha
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23:13:50  <jesusabdullah>chilts: thanks
23:13:52  <jesusabdullah>dominictarr: :)
23:13:56  <jesusabdullah>defunctzombie: Yeah, 100% real too :D
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23:20:02  <jesusabdullah>dangit where's max
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23:42:41  <jesusabdullah>Guys, I need a sweet picture of a cat
23:42:50  <jesusabdullah>with a pretty color pallate
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23:44:39  <jesusabdullah>substack: You're a good artist. Wanna draw a cat for me? :D
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23:51:34  <substack>a cat?
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23:55:38  <jesusabdullah>substack: http://jesusabdullah.net/catmap/
23:55:41  <jesusabdullah>substack: want better cat picture
23:55:56  <jesusabdullah>substack: will gladly add you to the credits of course
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23:59:05  <jesusabdullah>I should probably draw my OWN cat but I'm terrible at colors
23:59:11  <jesusabdullah>and this needs to look cool when scrambled