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00:26:41  <rvagg>distributed automatic service discovery with no single point of failure, is anyone doing this well (in an AWS-compatible way)?
00:29:22  <mbalho>rvagg: seems like level-replicate plus seaport would be pretty close
00:37:16  <mbalho>shama: can you briefly explain how installation of modules + their dependencies works with require.js? or is that what bower is for
00:39:14  <rvagg>bower is simply for those who do this when they hear that you want to put browser modules into npm: http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/gag.gif
00:39:23  <rvagg>that's it, in a nutshell
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00:39:55  <rvagg>it's an npm clone, but for browser modules only and uses github as a storage repository even though it has a central naming repository
00:40:42  <mbalho>oh
00:40:48  <mbalho>lol
00:41:05  <mbalho>rvagg: does it only work with AMD?
00:43:17  <jjjohnny_>what is the ssh|screen command to page up irssi?
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00:49:08  <mbalho>on my mac its FN + SHIFT + up arrow
00:51:56  <rvagg>mbalho: no, I think bower is agnostic to the bundling, it's just an installation mechanism, designed to have stuff built on top of it, specifically yeoman which was the first user of it (yeoman was held up while bower was finished off for public release)
00:52:14  <jjjohnny_>mbalho: yeah what do you think that maps to in universal keyboard language?
00:52:33  <mbalho>rvagg: ah interesting
00:52:38  <mbalho>jjjohnny_: no idea
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01:16:05  <shama>mbalho: Im probably not the best person to explain it as I only know it from trying to help grunt users that use requirejs and bower. When I used AMD, I used jamjs.org and it configured requirejs for me. My understanding is, bower is a url alias package manager but doesn't do any wiring. requirejs uses a lot of config to wire up modules and loads them async in the browser (or you can compile down the files as I a
01:16:06  <shama>lways did).
01:16:48  <shama>err rather what jamjs always did for me
01:21:01  <jden>anyone wanna chime in re npm vs component: http://www.reddit.com/r/javascript/comments/1htmk8/componentfm_shareable_reusable_interoperable_web/
01:21:14  <jden>speaking of package managers
01:23:20  <mbalho>' so you have less problems with naming conflicts ' and 'we chose Component because it's targeted at browser development' are the two best arguments I hear in support of component
01:23:41  <mbalho>(not that I think they are very good reasons, they're just the best ones)
01:24:38  <jden>the namespace argument is silly if you're talking about public modules
01:25:18  <mbalho>seems like anyone writing about browserify should focus on how both of those arguments are silly
01:25:48  <jden>decentralization is nice ideologically, but in practice you can just prefix things
01:26:28  <mbalho>prefix or have descriptive module names
01:26:31  <mbalho>or both
01:27:49  <shama>personally I think its better to just focus on the good parts of browserify and pull users... rather than try and push them towards it
01:28:12  <substack>jden: component and bower aren't actually decentralized though, they just use github
01:28:14  <shama>because it really is better, having been there
01:28:33  <substack>dominictarr's npmd stuff will make npm properly decentralized
01:28:44  <mbalho>shama: good point
01:28:53  <shama>i believe people use those methods because they havent really seen the other side
01:29:10  <jden>but the katamari argument is compelling
01:29:46  <jden>substack: github as a protocol. heh, for that matter, dns isn't decentralized.
01:30:27  <mbalho>i'm in the middle of writing a post about browserify-cdn and requirebin
01:30:40  <mbalho>gonna want some feedback on it soon! it has a buncha intro stuff about npm modules and browserify
01:31:07  <substack>mbalho: I'll have deterministic bundles pretty soon
01:31:26  <substack>I've got a voxel project I'm using for the test case
01:31:33  <jden>mbalho: have you thought about supporting pegged version numbers for required modules in requirebin?
01:32:04  <mbalho>jden: https://github.com/maxogden/requirebin/issues/9
01:33:44  <thl0>mbalho: https://github.com/thlorenz/hypernal/issues/2#issuecomment-20648212
01:35:04  <mbalho>thl0: nice
01:35:44  <thl0>mbalho: so are you going to always show this terminal on requirebin or just allow people to require it and pipe into it somehow?
01:38:46  <mbalho>thl0: for now its manual but i'd like to provide it in some way in the future
01:38:56  <thl0>cool
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01:51:47  <thl0>mbalho: shoot actually that white-space thing breaks things
01:52:32  <thl0>trying with hyperwatch right now and parts of the text is missing on left side and whenever a new line is written the text disappears entirely
01:53:05  <thl0>mbalho: will unpuplish that patch, but keep it in master so we can keep working on it
02:02:30  <Raynos>has anyone done a good xhr-read-stream yet?
02:02:45  <Raynos>I'm thinking of building a duplex xhr stream to replace engine.lol.io
02:03:20  <substack>nice!
02:03:47  <substack>I want to update xhr-write-stream to send POST payloads
02:03:55  <substack>it's sending all its data in GETs which is dumb
02:04:11  <substack>although it works really reliably still
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02:09:57  <Raynos>substack: well I might write my own xhr-write-stream thing without require('http') and with streams2 or simple streams
02:10:21  <substack>sounds good
02:10:25  <Raynos>either way it will expose a 0.8 streams interface
02:10:45  <Raynos>not doing so is being a massive dick :D
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02:40:42  <rvagg>substack: https://github.com/substack/node-ssh/blob/master/src/sshd.cc printf, printf, printf, whaaat?
02:41:24  <rvagg>substack: I want to write some tests against a mock ssh server (yes, I know what you think about mocks but I have a very good reason for doing this), is that code usable for this kind of thing or is it abandonware?
02:41:58  <rvagg>or is anyone else aware of good sshd functionality for node? mscdex/ssh2 is great for client, but I need the server bit for some testing
02:44:03  <mbalho>proofreads please! http://maxogden.com/node-packaged-modules.html
02:44:16  <mbalho>especially feedback on the Browserify: Using NPM for client-side programs
02:44:17  <mbalho>section
02:48:19  <timoxley>mbalho isn't npm supposed to be always lowercase according to the one from whom it was birthed
02:48:51  <mbalho>timoxley: haha really?
02:48:54  <rvagg>yes
02:48:59  <mbalho>lolz ok
02:49:11  <ralphtheninja>mbalho: how did you make that dependency visualization?
02:50:04  <mbalho>ralphtheninja: oh yea i forgot to add al ink
02:50:19  <mbalho>https://twitter.com/maxogden/status/348185617907200000
02:50:25  <ralphtheninja>I have been looking for stuff like that :)
02:51:08  <substack>mbalho: requirebin should set font-family: monospace for its terminal output
02:51:16  <rvagg>hughsk, what a champion
02:51:50  <mbalho>substack: it just uses the hypernal module, its not built in to requirebin yet, but thats a god point
02:52:05  <mbalho>good
02:52:31  <timoxley>mbalho https://plus.google.com/114738313102270607087/posts/6fr2EwSYW1y
02:53:02  <timoxley>*https://npmjs.org/doc/faq.html#If-npm-is-an-acronym-why-is-it-never-capitalized
02:54:10  <mbalho>substack: ok updated it
02:54:18  <mbalho>timoxley: lol nice
02:55:27  <timoxley>mbalho "A good module system enables better code to be written." <- this is a great
02:55:52  <shama>mbalho: missing a space between "Definitionby" :) Great post, thanks for the shout out
02:56:04  <mbalho>ah good catch
02:56:19  <timoxley>mbalho "complete with it's own version number"
02:56:25  <timoxley>it's -> its
02:57:17  <shama>requirebin should have a small branding on embedded things
02:57:52  <mbalho>timoxley: ohh yea i suck at english
02:57:53  <shama>its so good you dont even realize all the amazing things it took to render that iframe
02:57:59  <mbalho>shama: lol
02:58:04  <mbalho>shama: yea good idea, can you open an issue?
02:58:06  <shama>sure
02:58:18  <mbalho>shama: also i want a 'view this live on requirebin' button in the export share url area of the app too
02:58:36  <shama>mbalho: yeah, ill put that into the issue
02:59:57  <timoxley>mbalho also how about a favicon
03:00:07  * timoxleygetting nitpicky
03:00:24  <mbalho>timoxley: oh yea i should make a bearded favicon
03:00:59  <timoxley>perhaps it could be cool if the beard grew as you scrolled down the page
03:01:06  <mbalho>lol
03:01:11  <shama>lol
03:01:14  <ralphtheninja>haha
03:02:40  <mbalho>here we go http://i.imgur.com/IFvSk0k.png
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03:04:57  <mbalho>ok deployed
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03:06:03  <ralphtheninja>awesome post max
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03:18:29  <rch>yeah seriously, sweet post, great ideas
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03:19:16  <mbalho>all the badges https://github.com/Unitech/pm2/blob/master/README.md
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03:25:12  <mbalho>if you have ideas on how to make requirebin.com more approachable for beginners lemme know
03:25:21  <mbalho>maybe an interactive tutorial
03:25:28  <rch>+1 to splitscreen
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03:31:49  <mbalho>how do we get google to throw money at npm
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03:33:53  <shama>another thing worth pointing about about what npm offers for client side over other package managers is, interoperability. npm can be client and server side at the same time and in most instances with the same code; where the others can only do client side.
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03:34:32  <mbalho>oh yea thats a good point
03:37:08  <shama>mbalho: dont know if it's within scope, but art of node should have a section on client side
03:37:53  <rch>heh
03:39:25  <mbalho>shama: thats a good idea actually
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04:46:19  <jjjohnny_>dominictarr: if you liked beer on the rug http://opaltapes.bandcamp.com/
04:47:07  <jjjohnny_>we just listened to High Tech High Life
04:47:43  <jjjohnny_>in other news, there are least 6 overlay modules on NPM, and I'm still going to write my own
04:48:28  <jjjohnny_>why does component use NPM anyway I wonder
04:56:57  <jjjohnny_>mbalho: jquery demos
04:57:28  <jjjohnny_>* not iy
04:57:29  <jjjohnny_>it
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05:32:48  <mikolalysenko>check it out: http://mikolalysenko.github.io/voxel-mipmap-demo/
05:32:56  <mikolalysenko>work in progress, etc. etc.
05:35:03  <dominictarr>jjjohnny_: todo: port component to the server, and then republish all npm modules as server side components.
05:37:00  <mbalho>yes that o/
05:37:33  <mbalho>mikolalysenko: wow awesome
05:37:48  <mikolalysenko>mbalho: it can do transparent texture too
05:37:59  <mikolalysenko>but I need a good example to show it off
05:39:26  <mikolalysenko>also I am slightly worried about the performance due to the css + webgl mixing
05:39:50  <mikolalysenko>since the background texture and all ui elements are pure css, while the display is webgl...
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05:52:04  <mikolalysenko>ok. I will probably post this tomorrow
05:59:07  <owen1>mikolalysenko: not working on ff 21/linux
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07:43:19  <jesusabdullah>Does anyone know of a terminal colors module that doesn't punch the string prototype?
07:44:13  <substack>https://github.com/substack/node-x256
07:44:46  <substack>but you've got to add your own '\x1b[38;5;'
07:45:40  <jesusabdullah>wat
07:45:47  <jesusabdullah>why/
07:46:07  <jesusabdullah>I don't want an rgb, I want standard boring colors
07:46:18  <jesusabdullah>basically I want colors but without punching the String prototype
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08:24:29  <substack>jesusabdullah: browserify output is now deterministic
08:24:34  <substack>in 2.24.1
08:28:54  <jesusabdullah>deterministic?
08:29:09  <jesusabdullah>not sure what you mean or what this is with respect to
08:29:30  <Altreus>not based on quantum
08:29:40  <Altreus>substack: I lied about being an American and they let me have the domain
08:29:53  <Altreus>now i need to put something there
08:30:03  <substack>Altreus: hooray!
08:30:16  <substack>I just finally got the new business atm card today
08:30:21  <Altreus>grief
08:30:24  <substack>haven't hooked up the domain account to it yet but I should do that soon
08:30:39  <substack>jesusabdullah: every time you generate a bundle from the same files, you get the same output
08:30:42  <Altreus>I would have cancelled it as lost in the post and had a new one delivered
08:30:50  <substack>Altreus: I did
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08:48:18  <timoxley>dominictarr how does npmd 'discover' other nodes
08:48:50  <dominictarr>timoxley: it doesn't do that yet, it just tails the registry
08:49:08  <timoxley>gotcha
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16:26:01  <rch>mikolalysenko: awesome
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16:37:00  <mikolalysenko>rch: thanks!
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16:51:33  <rch>mikolalysenko: seriously you rock
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17:01:08  <mbalho>hahaha http://requirebin.com/?gist=5955875
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17:10:13  <Domenic_>substack: pkrumins: were there ever plans for testling to do multiple branches?
17:10:27  <Domenic_>also, if you get that working, I think you could add CI-like functionality that reports test results on pull requests.
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18:35:22  <jjjohnny_>WTF can u even install this with NPM? https://npmjs.org/package/zanimo
18:36:08  <jjjohnny_>also note saucelabs browser test badges
18:36:17  <jjjohnny_>totally suck comapred to tesling
18:42:12  <Domenic_>jjjohnny_: I dunno, the fact that testling is always crapping out and failing on half the browsers you throw at it has made it hard to recommend
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19:24:46  <jesusabdullah>jjjohnny_: promises promises! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWNJlc-IylY
19:32:17  <jesusabdullah>so I hacked together a logging library last night
19:32:27  <jesusabdullah>it's actually pretty sweet imo
19:32:40  <jesusabdullah>surprisingly small considering everything it does already
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19:33:01  <snoj>is it on github yet?
19:34:08  <jesusabdullah>not yeeet
19:34:13  <jesusabdullah>later today
19:34:17  <jesusabdullah>docs are severely lacking
19:34:28  <jesusabdullah>but that's okay for github
19:34:34  <jesusabdullah>fuck it, I'll do it now
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19:36:19  <jesusabdullah>snoj: https://github.com/jesusabdullah/kenny-loggins
19:36:38  <jesusabdullah>gonna add process.logging and browserify support
19:37:15  <jesusabdullah>https://github.com/jesusabdullah/kenny-loggins/blob/master/index.js
19:37:24  <jjjohnny_>jesusabdullah: come on man
19:37:36  <jesusabdullah>tried to use streams2, gave up as soon as I ran into issues
19:38:01  <jjjohnny_>how about lincoln-logger
19:38:15  <jesusabdullah>zeekay already has lincoln
19:38:31  <jesusabdullah>plus, I always said my logging library would be named Kenny Loggins
19:39:08  <jjjohnny_>log-o-rhythm
19:39:51  <jjjohnny_>the easy access to late 20th century celeb meme should be ignored
19:39:54  <mbalho>jjjohnny_: can you take money out of my sock drawer? top one
19:40:06  <jjjohnny_>mbalho: gladly
19:40:08  <mbalho>jjjohnny_: (lemme know if my funds are depleted - i am going on a trip tomorrow)
19:41:36  <jjjohnny_>mbalho: curiously, top drawer was already open and no greenbacks apparent
19:42:11  <snoj>jesusabdullah: nice and simple
19:42:37  <jesusabdullah>snoj: considering all the crazy stuff it does? yeah, I was pleasantly surprised
19:42:52  <snoj>I have a project of mine in mind it might work well for
19:42:59  <jesusabdullah>snoj: mostly I was like, "hey I know logging libraries, let's write one that hits up every pain point I've ever had"
19:44:55  <jjjohnny_>mbalho: on second try, found denim purse on top of dresser
19:46:18  <jjjohnny_>mbalho: you want me to bring the whole thing. it is > $1k
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20:03:27  <mbalho>jjjohnny_: oh cool, no just take rent out + electricies
20:03:33  <mbalho>electricities
20:05:20  <jjjohnny_>mbalho: will receipt lsster
20:05:37  <mbalho>jjjohnny_: no need haha
20:05:38  <jjjohnny_>i am now typing w/o the ability to see
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20:07:12  <jjjohnny_>mbalho: do you use a calendat?
20:07:55  <jjjohnny_>memoryr typing means tiy cant lose your train of hought
20:08:04  <jjjohnny_>or youll forget what you typed
20:08:21  <mbalho>jjjohnny_: nope
20:09:09  <jjjohnny_>i certainly cant read ur i see yellow in th eblur and thats means somebody say my name
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20:37:22  <mbalho>substack: does watchify handle multiple entries e.g. watchify foo.js -o foo-bundle.js bar.js -o bar-bundle.js
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20:39:30  <substack>mbalho: yep
20:39:48  <mbalho>substack: sweet was hard to tell
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21:35:23  <mikolalysenko>well. that post went nowhere :(
21:35:24  <mikolalysenko>http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1hxs3u/texture_atlases_wrapping_and_mip_mapping/
21:35:58  <mikolalysenko>sometimes reddit is a total crap shoot
21:36:11  <jesusabdullah>yup
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21:37:54  <nexxy>do I know anyone here who's written a book?
21:38:33  <nexxy>(with a publisher)
21:40:39  <jesusabdullah>not off-hand, why?
21:40:43  <substack>nexxy: ericelliott has
21:40:46  <substack>with o'reilly
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21:42:33  <nexxy>substack, oh perfect
21:42:47  <nexxy>I'm writing a proposal for a book
21:43:13  <nexxy>so I am curious as to others' experience
21:45:50  <jesusabdullah>nexxy: just don't do packt
21:45:53  <jjjohnny_>nexxy: whats the book about?
21:46:05  <jesusabdullah>nexxy: personally I really like what No Starch puts out
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21:47:57  <nexxy>jjjohnny_, node.js & hardware
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21:58:55  <jjjohnny_>nexxy: hardware... or "hardware"?
21:59:03  <nexxy>wat
21:59:37  <jjjohnny_>watware
21:59:39  <nexxy>jjjohnny_, like, arduinos & beagles/rpis & sensors & schematics & electronic components & fun
21:59:42  <nexxy>watware.
22:00:15  <jjjohnny_>i think the name wetware is the best name for a thing
22:00:23  <nexxy>lol
22:00:55  <nexxy>it is pretty neat
22:02:16  <jjjohnny_>nexxy: i'd like to see wearable technology bring tails back #nofurry
22:02:29  <nexxy>hey
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22:02:38  <nexxy>I find that hashtag offensive
22:03:02  <jjjohnny_>i got nothin against furries, i am pro furry some of my best friends are probably furries!!
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22:03:20  <nexxy>rofl
22:03:38  <jjjohnny_>VOTE FOR ME
22:03:39  <LOUDBOT_>WHAT'S THE IN-TOWN MILEAGE ON THAT?
22:03:59  <nexxy>I have a cat ear headband
22:04:09  <nexxy>I guess you could say I'm a furry
22:04:48  <nexxy>I wish I had extensible wetware
22:04:50  <jjjohnny_>i think we become furrier the older our animal gets
22:05:01  <chapel>hey nexxy
22:06:16  <nexxy>hi chapel :)
22:06:29  <chapel>how goes it? I live in Santa Clara now
22:06:38  <nexxy>fancy!
22:06:44  <nexxy>it's going OK
22:06:51  <nexxy>looking for work before I starve and die
22:06:52  <chapel>the babe good?
22:06:56  <nexxy>you?
22:07:02  <nexxy>oh he's good!
22:07:09  <nexxy>he had his first birthday yesterday
22:07:24  <chapel>I'm doing well, started a new job at WalmartLabs at the end of may
22:07:39  <nexxy>oh cool
22:07:47  <nexxy>I know a few of the WL people
22:07:52  <chapel>we are hiring
22:07:55  <chapel>almost on all teams
22:08:13  <nexxy>I'm in the interview process with a few places
22:08:19  <nexxy>I just need money in the mean time
22:08:20  <nexxy>lol
22:08:40  <nexxy>nobody wants short term contract work
22:08:42  <chapel>cool, I hope you find something, it was a grueling couple months doing the interview stuff while not having any work and little to no money
22:08:50  <nexxy>yeah :(
22:08:56  <jjjohnny_>nexxy: they miight down here
22:08:56  <chapel>so I know how you feel, though I didn't have a baby :(
22:09:14  <nexxy>hehe yeah it makes things a little more serious
22:09:34  <nexxy>jjjohnny_, what where
22:10:02  <jjjohnny_>you know, bay region
22:10:13  <nexxy>oh, yeah I mean that helps
22:10:31  <nexxy>if you know someone please let me know :)
22:12:50  <jjjohnny_>nexxy: wearable tech fashion kickstarter
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22:21:34  <mbalho>dominictarr: https://github.com/substance/chronicle
22:24:24  <mbalho>e.g. for https://github.com/substance/store he should use leveldown
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23:09:29  <Raynos>defunctzombie: what can coros do that generators can't other then "nicer syntax without yield" ?
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23:10:41  <defunctzombie>Raynos: that is exactly what they can do
23:10:53  <Raynos>defunctzombie: is there any other benefit?
23:11:00  <defunctzombie>they are basically generators and domains in one
23:11:15  <defunctzombie>without all the stupid ass shit of domains or syntax of generators
23:12:20  <defunctzombie>if I am gonna use language features, I want them to save me time and effort, not make me spend more time and effort
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