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01:25:22  <st_luke>http://ricon.io/images/speakers/east/matthewvonmaszewski.png
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01:30:12  <rvagg>he looks like a typical texan according to my australian prejudices
01:33:25  <st_luke>rvagg: I think im gonna take most of the leveldb architecture details out of this talk I'm giving, I'm not really good at explaining it in detail and it's not really that important for users. do you know of a pretty succinct way to summarize lsm trees & level's levels for people that don't really need to know what they are
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01:36:41  <rvagg>st_luke: hij1nx seems to have some really good slides on this, tho I haven't seen them in detail
01:36:52  <rvagg>st_luke: I did some basic drawing for my presentations.. hang on
01:37:07  <rvagg>basic LSM: http://r.va.gg/presentations/sf.nodebase.meetup/#/2
01:37:43  <rvagg>"levels" into the mix: http://r.va.gg/presentations/sf.nodebase.meetup/#/3 (trigger next and another image will show up)
01:38:32  <rvagg>actually, that presentation managed to squeeze it in to 3 slides, but I think I rambled on for a while cause people were interested and I got dominictarr up to explain it using his library metaphor
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02:17:49  <rvagg>st_luke: it's something like this: a library is large with lots of books and inserting new books is a tricky business because you don't know how many of what book you're going to get
02:18:50  <rvagg>st_luke: for some reason dominic has a thing about books about "bees" -- say you organise your library alphabetically and to allow for growth you leave 20% space on each shelf for new books but then one day you have a truckload of books come in about bees that go over your 20%, it's impractical to shuffle everything around just to make space
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02:19:37  <rvagg>hence a LSM structure where you have levels of books, the bee books come in to the first level where new borrowers can search for them first and they move down to the lower, larger, archival levels
02:19:55  <rvagg>the librarian regularly moves books down the levels but it's easier to make space because you're not dealing with a single space
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02:20:58  <rvagg>I embellished the example last time by adding that you can insert "deletes" at the front too, say the NSA comes along and says "delete all books about PRISM", you don't want to go searching the whole library for them so you insert a "delete" at the front and new visitors come in, find the "delete" and say "oh, there are no books about PRISM here" and go home
02:21:16  <rvagg>anyway, not as elegantly told as dominic but you get the idea, riff on that theme
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02:23:52  <st_luke>rvagg: ah nice, that's close to what I imagined the analogy working like
02:24:40  <rvagg>thlorenz: !! that sounds like fun, if only I could justify yet more wasted time
02:25:20  <thlorenz>rvagg: yeah it is, I spent a better part of my weekend on it, but the results are not as good as I had hoped
02:25:58  <thlorenz>so at this point I just threw it out there, hoping for people to give me some hints on how to make this actually somewhat useable (mainly by improving pitch detection)
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02:41:27  <st_luke>rvagg: when you exceed a limit in Level L and merge into Level L+1, do you gradually get to a point where levels are always doing a merge on writes?
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02:42:54  <rvagg>st_luke: well, you have a compaction thread always working, but yes this is one problem with the google implementation of leveldb is that if you're pushing data in fast enough (and you have to be pushing it in real fast) then you can get write blocking while you're waiting for compactions
02:43:30  <rvagg>st_luke: but that's an extreme case, voxer gets it and they're the main ones who put pressure on basho to deal with this I believe, hence basho's focus on write throughput
02:44:10  <rvagg>st_luke: the hyperdex fork does an even better job because it has multiple compaction threads and allows threads that are writing to coordinate their writes which leads to much less blocking
02:45:29  <st_luke>rvagg: ah wait, are the SSTs always around the 2MB in any level?
02:45:37  <st_luke>or can they grow after a merge
02:45:51  <rvagg>st_luke: yeah, 2MB max for each sst, so you just get a growth in the number of sst files, not their size
02:46:16  <st_luke>weird, I'm going through some old stuff I have where my SSTs are a bit larger
02:46:32  <rvagg>so when you do a compaction/merge, you take 1 sst from level x and the 2 overlapping ssts from level x+1, munge them together and see what you end up with
02:47:55  <st_luke>ah I see where I was confused
02:47:59  <st_luke>thanks d00d
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03:11:57  <rvagg>mbalho (& isaacs): found my download-counts code and put it in npm, cause that's the Node Way(tm): https://github.com/rvagg/npm-download-counts
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05:44:37  <rvagg>nodei.co is now https, update your badges
05:44:47  <rvagg>Raynos, owen1, anyone else using nodei.co ^^
05:45:05  <rvagg>github's cdn apparently caches http images even with cache-control:no-cache
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05:48:21  <mbalho>they use fastly
05:51:26  <owen1>rvagg: yup. saw it here a few hours ago and BAM, added it to some modules.
05:51:35  <owen1>it's going to be viral
05:54:47  <owen1>rvagg: was there a security issue? why https?
05:55:09  <rvagg>owen1: caching, fastly/github apparently ignore cache directives on http images
05:55:53  <owen1>ok. updated my stuff. thanks
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06:15:59  <rvagg>https://nodei.co/ download counts as a "beta" feature <-- mbalho
06:16:12  <mbalho>woot
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06:46:46  <Raynos>rvagg: nice https :D
06:47:18  <rvagg>mbalho: and stars can be shown now too, this is where some design help might be helpful, /cc jlord
06:49:15  <rvagg>would be good to promote the use of npm stars
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12:33:41  <rvagg>does anyone here have, or can recommend a very simple memoizing module in npm? I like the one that comes with `async` but I don't like to pull in async just for that
12:38:49  <mikolalysenko>You could just split it out yourself
12:40:22  <rvagg>https://github.com/azer/memoize-async this looks pretty close, good enough
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14:15:51  <rvagg>http://www.reddit.com/r/node/comments/1ic96n/nodeico_classy_npm_badges_for_nodejs_projects/
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14:56:52  <jesusabdullah>Kessler: I have to jet but I got about 5 mins
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16:12:12  <mbalho>substack: how many hits a day does browserify.org get?
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17:12:12  <Raynos>timoxley: yes I gave streams2 to isaacs
17:12:41  <Raynos>except not >_<
17:12:44  <Raynos>not sure where it went
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19:23:26  <isaacs>Hello, small module frields.
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19:23:30  <isaacs>*friends
19:23:34  <isaacs>I have a question for you.
19:23:49  <isaacs>if I wrote a module that let you write docs like npm has, where you get htmls and mans from markdowns, would you use that?
19:24:16  <chrisdickinson>yes.
19:24:32  <isaacs>substack: also, we should explore having npm just ship browserify and bless it already.
19:24:42  <isaacs>substack: i think the time is nigh for such an alliance.
19:24:45  <chrisdickinson>i would even see about integrating it with something like readthedocs.
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19:29:12  <isaacs>chrisdickinson: what's readthedocs?
19:29:13  <mikolalysenko>that would be pretty awesome, and hopefully put an end to the for-the-borwser vs for-the-server arguments that seem to go on forever
19:30:15  <mikolalysenko>though how would the integration work exactly? would browserify become a core node.js module or something?
19:30:17  <chrisdickinson>isaacs: it's a python community docs site -- it currently uses sphinx (which is what python uses for it's docs)
19:30:20  <chrisdickinson>http://readthedocs.org/
19:30:36  <chrisdickinson>basically has a git hook setup to render and host docs
19:30:50  <chrisdickinson>and generate latex / pdx / html formats
19:30:51  <mbalho>isaacs: Browserifylandia supports this decision
19:31:12  <mbalho>(i'm speaking on behalf of it, as the only current resident -- all others are away camping)
19:31:17  <chrisdickinson>would be sort of nice to have a version of that for node -- render docs like node renders the docs
19:32:38  <isaacs>chrisdickinson: um... hm. probably not.
19:32:52  <chrisdickinson>isaacs: oh, i wasn't saying that you'd have to build it
19:32:52  <isaacs>chrisdickinson: most modules are best served with a README and not much else.
19:33:12  <isaacs>chrisdickinson: but things with cli's can benefit from a man page, i think
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19:34:22  <chrisdickinson>regardless, if published as a module -- it could be leveraged to build something like what i've descrbied
19:34:27  <chrisdickinson>*described, sorry.
19:34:49  <chrisdickinson>the big missing piece of "readme documented" modules is the "getting started" / "examples" step
19:41:27  <shama>mbalho: it appears twitter has really fixed the animated gif avatar thing... you used to be able to bypass it by uploading an image that is already properly sized. Doesn't seem to work anymore though.
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19:42:56  <chrisdickinson>(i imagine not)
19:45:14  <mbalho>shama: noooooooooooooo
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20:05:38  <Raynos>dominictarr: do you have something like adiff that reads as javascript (instead of LISP)
20:06:31  <Raynos>specifically adiff doesnt handle objects, not sure why
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