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| <jden> | dumb streams question - is there a module for the inverse of concat-stream, to take a Buffer and make it pipe-able? |
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| <Raynos> | jden: I wrote array stream |
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| <Raynos> | but |
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| <Raynos> | jden: https://gist.github.com/Raynos/6004892 |
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| <isaacs> | STREAMFREAKS! ASSEMBLE! |
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| <LOUDBOT> | WAR START FROM ADAM WHEN CAIN HE KILLED ABEL UNTIL NOW. IT'S NEVER GONNA STOP KILLING OF PEOPLE. |
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| <isaacs> | https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/5857 |
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| <isaacs> | review plz ^ |
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| <isaacs> | new stream doc |
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| <isaacs> | basically a rewrite. split into sections for sanity. |
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| <jden> | Raynos: thanks. Death to boilerplate; npm.im/literal-stream |
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| <Raynos> | jden: NO |
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| <Raynos> | jden: stream.push(literal) && stream.push(null) |
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| <Raynos> | oh wait |
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| <Raynos> | you set it to null |
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| <Raynos> | ugh |
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| <Raynos> | ok that does work |
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| <jcrugzz> | isaacs++ LGTM. you may be missing some markdown links in there but thats all i got |
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| <jden> | is it better to push both in one _read? |
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| <jcrugzz> | makes things much clearer |
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| <jden> | or is it just stylistic? |
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| <Raynos> | isaacs: "So, a Duplex or Transform stream is fully described by this API, though their implementation may be somewhat different." |
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| <Raynos> | a consumer of a stream does not need to know the difference between Duplex & Transform |
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| <Raynos> | isaacs: its way too detailed, I'm going to take a stab at adding some more high level introduction stuff |
| 01:12:51
| <Raynos> | like a one page TL;DR |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: that belongs on your blog, or elsewhere. |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: i mean, the node api docs SHOULD be thorough |
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| <Raynos> | isaacs: sec |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: the "api for consumers" is basically that tl;dr, but it has to contain EVERYTHING that we support and authorize for use |
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| <Raynos> | isaacs: https://gist.github.com/Raynos/6004985 |
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| <Raynos> | some kind of node core features only example before you deep dive into what the 'readable' event is |
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| <Raynos> | would be an improvement |
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| <Raynos> | isaacs: Unless I'm implementing pipe I don't really care about the 'readable' event. |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: if you're calling read(), you care about readable events |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: but yes, an example at the very top would be a good addition, i agree |
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| <Raynos> | but then your kind of implementing your own pipe(). Your writing a custom parsing thing that's not quite a Writable stream and using read() and 'readable' to parse stuff |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: you might just want to read 10 bytes to see where to pipe() it to |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: that is actually pretty common |
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| <Raynos> | isaacs: also re-ordering methods like 1) pipe, 2) wrap, 3) 'data' & 'end' 4) the rest |
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| <isaacs> | wrap is almost never necessary |
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| <isaacs> | 'data' and 'end' are the most commonly used things |
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| <isaacs> | pipe() is level 2 |
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| <Raynos> | isaacs: I consider that a custom pipe(), it's a custom piece of logic that describes how to flow data from source to sink |
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| <isaacs> | wrap() is like level 4 |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: ok, you consider it whatever you like, then. that's not actually what it is. |
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| <Raynos> | isaacs: wrap is going to realistically be used a lot to migrate all of substacks modules to streams2 |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: because it's not a pipe() method |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: newcomers don't immediately grok putting streams together like legos |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: also, newcomers use core modules ina single JS file WAY more often than they use any of substack's modules. |
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| <Raynos> | Probably true |
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| <Raynos> | isaacs: but generally +1 on making streams docs easier to consume :) |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: kewl, thanks |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: i'm gonna put that example in the very intro, actually. above the readable bits |
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| <Raynos> | isaacs: probably want a similar example for pipe. Maybe something like https://gist.github.com/Raynos/6005062 |
| 01:31:30
| <Raynos> | that's a simple example of using a duplex with write() & pipe() |
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| <calvinfo> | isaacs: looks way easier to follow |
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| <calvinfo> | isaacs: but no mention of single objectMode for transforms? e.g. this._readableState.objectMode ? |
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| <calvinfo> | that is something which I always have to look up in the source |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: that's a great pipe example |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: i think i have somethin gsomewhere with a zipper thingie |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: oh, yeah, there's already a pipe example using gzip |
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| <jesusabdullah> | ugh the internet at this hotel is so bad |
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| <jesusabdullah> | they should be ashamed |
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| <grncdr> | isaacs: suggestion for the Stream docs: move the 'Here is an example of using Streams in a Node program:' into the 'Stream API for Consumers' section |
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| <grncdr> | it breaks up the flow of the overview and puts the vital info about the doc having 3 sections right after a code block that lots of people will be skimming |
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| <chapel> | jesusabdullah: where are you at? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | chapel: Orem, UT |
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| <chapel> | ah, have you done your interview yet? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | Sort of, it's more of a test drive |
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| <jesusabdullah> | hacking on some of their stuff, hanging out, etc |
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| <chapel> | ah cool |
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| <chapel> | hows it going? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | actually, great |
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| <jesusabdullah> | it's pretty out here, everyone's nice, the company has a big enough contingent of non-mos that they're going to get a coffee machine soon |
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| <jesusabdullah> | biggest things are |
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| <jesusabdullah> | mormons don't drink, smoke, drink or smoke |
| 04:52:50
| <jesusabdullah> | at least provo-style mormons don't |
| 04:53:01
| <jesusabdullah> | so there isn't much of a night life outside SLC |
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| <jesusabdullah> | and it's definitely a driving kind of place |
| 04:53:36
| <jesusabdullah> | but SLC has stuff to do and driving here is pretty point-and-click |
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| <jesusabdullah> | oh, and most mormons have a wife and kids |
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| <jesusabdullah> | so it's like, "hey whatcha doin' tonight?" "uhh going home?" |
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| <chapel> | lol yeah |
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| <chapel> | probably not much of a tech scene either |
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| <jesusabdullah> | "well shit if I had a wife and kids I'd do the same" |
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| <jesusabdullah> | actually you'd be surprised |
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| <chapel> | as far as gatherings |
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| <jesusabdullah> | well |
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| <jesusabdullah> | there's utahjs |
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| <jesusabdullah> | maybe doing that tomorrow actually |
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| <chapel> | ah cool |
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| <mikolalysenko> | I just discovered another hilarious consequence of using a framework/shell: |
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| <mikolalysenko> | copy pasting licenses accidentally cascading onto your own files |
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| <mikolalysenko> | for example, this just happened to me: http://giawa.com/journal-entry-6-greedy-mesh-optimization/#comment-4 |
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| <mikolalysenko> | wtf does jerome etienne have to do with that code? I wrote it |
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| <mikolalysenko> | but I did use his boilerplate, and the author of that post got confused and attributed the code to him! crazy |
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| <mbalho> | " Here’s the code, converted to C#." hahahaha |
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| <mikolalysenko> | yeah. it is my fault though. I should have been more clear about the licensing I think |
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| <mikolalysenko> | lesson learned, and I'll be careful when using boilerplate/frameworks in the future |
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| <mikolalysenko> | also it is interesting to note that this is not even a problem if you use npm |
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| <jesusabdullah> | okay, mocha is annoying |
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| <chapel> | jesusabdullah: why is that? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | you don't require('mocha') apparently |
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| <jesusabdullah> | imo if you can't node ./my-test.js there's a problem |
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| <chapel> | yeah, its assumed to run with the mocha runner |
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| <jcrugzz> | jesusabdullah: even though vows is kind of insane in its own right, at least it can do that xD |
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| <jesusabdullah> | jcrugzz: exactly. |
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| <mikolalysenko> | what is the correct way to handle custom console.log behavior in node.js? |
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| <mikolalysenko> | and in the browser for that matter |
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| <jesusabdullah> | yo questions 4 leveldb people: I have a large object in-memory that I want to persist to a leveldb and restore. Is there something such that I don't have to manage keys/values/etc myself? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | anyone? :S |
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| <soldair> | jesusabdullah not sure. i mean you can store rather large values. does it matter how the keys are indexed? |
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| <soldair> | jesusabdullah: do you often need to update values in the object or is it just a blob |
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| <jesusabdullah> | soldair: often update and add values |
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| <soldair> | jesusabdullah: maybe a sublevel per large object would be enough |
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| <jesusabdullah> | soldair: yeah |
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| <chrisdickinson> | quick sanity check on a linter api? https://gist.github.com/chrisdickinson/912e891f8dd60d8257e6 |
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| <chrisdickinson> | where "rule.selector" is a css-style string: `if[alternate]:first-child:last-child`, for example, only calls your rule function on nodes that are if statements that have an alternate and are the only child of their parent |
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| <chrisdickinson> | the idea being that each check could be it's own module, and that it'd be relatively easy to piece them together to make your own linter |
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| <chrisdickinson> | (that checks exactly what you want it to check) |
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| <mikolalysenko> | why is punycode in nodejs core? |
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| <isaacs> | mikolalysenko: it's required for url parsing |
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| <isaacs> | mikolalysenko: which is required for http.get('http://<unicode>.com') |
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| <mikolalysenko> | isaacs: ah, got it |
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