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| <juliangruber> | jesusabdullah mbalho: http://wzrd.in/standalone/reconnect-engine fails, but npm install && browserify works on my machine |
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| <juliangruber> | substack: battleship-search looks cool, what will you use it for? |
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| <substack> | juliangruber: not sure yet! |
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| <substack> | I'm just collaborating with a mathematician at sudoroom to implement it from some hand-drawn sheets |
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| <juliangruber> | substack: I really need to go check out sudoroom when I make it to oakland some time |
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| <st_luke> | anyone recall the dtrace usage to show the files touched by a command? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | juliangruber: I'll try looking in a bit, meeting with client right now |
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| <jesusabdullah> | juliangruber: if you make a github issue, I'll definitely not forget |
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| <juliangruber> | jesusabdullah: ok, will do! |
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| <substack> | juliangruber: ok there was a bug in battleship-search but it works much better now |
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| <juliangruber> | substack: are the test results before finding a max of any worth? |
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| <juliangruber> | could that e.g. be used to find closest matches in face databases? |
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| <juliangruber> | because that has a lot of dimensions |
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| <substack> | yes they are finding the maxima very quickly |
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| <substack> | I don't have more than 1 dimension working yet, that part is next. |
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| <juliangruber> | ok |
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| <juliangruber> | the fact that the algorithm works efficiently in n dimensions makes it very interesting |
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| <mbalho> | how do i destroy an entire sublevel |
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| <mbalho> | juliangruber: is there an easy way to delete a whole sublevel at once? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | mbalho: juliangruber: What happens if you update wzrd.in's browserify to @latest ? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | I guess I can do that |
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| <mbalho> | jesusabdullah: actually i think i have to, one sec |
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| <jesusabdullah> | aha |
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| <mbalho> | jesusabdullah: k upgraded |
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| <mbalho> | jesusabdullah: first log statement was 'http info undefined - - [Mon, 29 Jul 2013 04:16:25 GMT] "HEAD / HTTP/1.0" 200' |
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| <jesusabdullah> | weeeird |
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| <jesusabdullah> | how? o_o |
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| <mbalho> | Raynos: do you know of a way to hook up a sublevel to https://github.com/Raynos/level-delete-range ? |
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| <mbalho> | jesusabdullah: dunno |
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| <jesusabdullah> | huh |
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| <jesusabdullah> | well |
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| <jesusabdullah> | actually that HEAD / might be a clue |
| 04:18:43
| <jesusabdullah> | if something did a HEAD req against / |
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| <jesusabdullah> | maybe there's a logging edge case there |
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| <jesusabdullah> | anyways |
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| <jesusabdullah> | I plan to get back on the browserify-cdn train once I'm on the other side of the move |
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| <mbalho> | its working well so far! |
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| <jesusabdullah> | cool cool |
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| <jesusabdullah> | juliangruber: max upgraded browserify on the machine, what happens if you make the request now? |
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| <mbalho> | browserify-cdn ERR! stderr: Error: module "xmlhttprequest" not found from "/tmp/reconnect-engine113629-9072-7a6pux/node_modules/reconnect-engine/node_modules/engine.io-stream/node_modules/engine.io-client/lib/transports/index.js" |
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| <timoxley> | pull.map(function(data) {return data + '\n'}), |
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| <dominictarr> | there is if you write it |
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| <timoxley> | dominictarr: ok, no worries |
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| <dominictarr> | I meant! |
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| <juliangruber> | mbalho: deleteRange(db.sublevel('foo')) with https://github.com/Raynos/level-delete-range |
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| <juliangruber> | mbalho: level-delete-range shouldn't care about sublevels |
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| <juliangruber> | mbalho: or: db.sublevel('foo').createKeyStream().pipe(db.sublevel('foo').createDeleteStream()) |
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| <juliangruber> | we just need createDeleteStream :D |
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| <dominictarr> | mikeal: I notice that there are a bunch of node packackages published to debian repo |
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| <dominictarr> | debian registry I mean |
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| <mikeal> | debian does that on their own |
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| <mikeal> | and it is really stupid |
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| <dominictarr> | they are installing it all globally |
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| <dominictarr> | ! |
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| <dominictarr> | will they even work? there are no package.json ? |
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| <dominictarr> | it installs them all globally, too, so it would be impossible to have more than one version... |
| 15:54:23
| <dominictarr> | what we NEED is an os level package manager that can handle multiple versions of dependencies... |
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| <dominictarr> | and macports is just about as bad |
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| <dominictarr> | https://trac.macports.org/browser/trunk/dports/devel/nodejs/Portfile |
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| <dominictarr> | what language is that? |
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| <dominictarr> | is it some custom thing? |
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| <dominictarr> | describing your packages in bash (or any turing complete lang) is such a bad idea |
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| <Raynos> | juliangruber: correct |
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| <dominictarr> | I am wondering if there is a way to build a non-conflicting package manager right on a typical unix |
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| <dominictarr> | and have it work with bash, and regular commands |
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| <mikeal> | really? |
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| <substack> | dominictarr: yes |
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| <substack> | http://modules.sourceforge.net/ |
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| <dominictarr> | how does it work? i'm thinking subshells? |
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| <dominictarr> | or, manipulating $PATH, basically. |
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| <substack> | dominictarr: also I implemented the 1-d version of anthony's battleship search algorithm yesterday https://github.com/substack/battleship-search |
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| <dominictarr> | sweet! |
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| <dominictarr> | how does it work, basically? |
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| <timoxley> | dominictarr: I'm getting an empty string at the end of every pull-split stream, is there a reason? |
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| <substack> | it bifurcates the search space into subsections and compares the variance slopes at every step as a way to prioritize which area of the landscape is more likely to have peaks |
| 18:28:35
| <substack> | and it's guaranteed to not get stuck on local maxima |
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| <dominictarr> | timoxley: yes, that is what string.split('/n') would do too |
| 18:28:59
| <dominictarr> | if the string ends in a /n |
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| <dominictarr> | substack: guaranteed? |
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| <timoxley> | dominictarr: ok I will work around it, thanks. |
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| <dominictarr> | but what if it looks at A, and C and they are the same fitness |
| 18:30:18
| <dominictarr> | but there is a narrow spike B inbetween? |
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| <dominictarr> | timoxley: if you use pull.filter right after it, that should work |
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| <timoxley> | dominictarr: great, thanks, I still don't get why it pushes an empty string though |
| 18:32:27
| <timoxley> | oh |
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| <substack> | dominictarr: it can still find those |
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| <dominictarr> | if you did readFileSync(file).split('/n') there would be an empty string between the last line, and the end of the file |
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| <dominictarr> | substack: eventually, you mean? |
| 18:33:28
| <substack> | yes eventually but it converges quite fast |
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| <substack> | like the example on the readme has 3 peaks and it pretty quickly finds the highest peak |
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| <dominictarr> | lots of other good stuff on that wiki page... |
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| <dominictarr> | http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Anthony_Repetto/Concept_Log#Insect_Farm_Module |
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| <dominictarr> | substack: can modules do version conflicts within a session? |
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| <dominictarr> | aha, there is a whitepaper |
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| <mbalho> | Raynos: any idea? |
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| <mbalho> | html5 <video> sux |
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| <mbalho> | in chrome at least |
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| <dominictarr> | juliangruber: what are you gonna use diffeHelman for? |
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| <Raynos> | mbalho: tests work locally on node |
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| <Raynos> | mbalho: tests look broke on chrome because it uses ileveldb which is old + indexeddb breaks back compat |
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| <jesusabdullah> | why is indexeddb so crappy? |
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| <daleharvey> | heh working on an idb bug now |
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| <daleharvey> | http://jsbin.com/acuyor/2/edit |
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| <daleharvey> | if you use pretty much any common extend function, and someone has modified the Array / Object prototype, idb cant clone the object |
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| <Raynos> | jesusabdullah: design by committee |
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| <thlorenz> | defunctzombie: substack ping |
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| <Domenic_> | substack: accept the PRs on ent? https://github.com/substack/node-ent/pull/9 |
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| <thlorenz> | I think I just figured out where the pkg.main (cannot read undefined) is coming from |
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| <defunctzombie> | thlorenz: pong |
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| <thlorenz> | it's when you don't specify main correclty like I dig here: https://github.com/thlorenz/get-style-property/blob/master/package.json#L5 |
| 20:41:04
| <thlorenz> | main is actually "index.js" -- node/npm figures it out, but browserify doesn't find a main in that case |
| 20:41:07
| <thlorenz> | defunctzombie: (read above) |
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| <defunctzombie> | thlorenz: I personally think relative paths should be required :/ |
| 20:41:28
| <defunctzombie> | thlorenz: ./index.js |
| 20:41:36
| <defunctzombie> | but we should make it work I guess |
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| <substack> | thlorenz: pong |
| 20:41:42
| <defunctzombie> | just requires an additional fstat |
| 20:41:46
| <thlorenz> | defunctzombie: maybe that too, but at least now we know where this is coming from |
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| <defunctzombie> | I think that is a resolved issue |
| 20:42:50
| <defunctzombie> | resolved the module, not resolved as in fixed |
| 20:43:15
| <thlorenz> | so we should probably put a try catch around https://github.com/substack/node-resolve/blob/master/lib/async.js#L91 substack |
| 20:43:38
| <thlorenz> | and log what 'x' was, so the user knows what module needs to have its "main" fixed in package.json |
| 20:44:15
| <defunctzombie> | that or check if file exists |
| 20:44:17
| <defunctzombie> | and go with that |
| 20:44:34
| <thlorenz> | defunctzombie: yep, whatever results in a better error message |
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| <thlorenz> | defunctzombie: substack: unless there is a way to find main exactly the same way that node does, so if it works in node it works with browserify (even if main is not correct) |
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| <substack> | Domenic_: published |
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| <Domenic_> | substack: oh sorry also https://github.com/substack/node-ent/pull/10?? |
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| <thlorenz> | defunctzombie: substack, so this is confirmed -- fixing the main field in the culprit made the error go away |
| 20:56:05
| <defunctzombie> | thlorenz: I would say it should work like node does and try to resolve the file locally, I think that is stupid but unless others agree it is ok to require relative starts with ./ then I would favor existing behavior |
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| <thlorenz> | defunctzombie: including finding index.js although I set main to 'foo.js'? |
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| <defunctzombie> | thlorenz: does node do that? |
| 20:56:53
| <thlorenz> | yep |
| 20:56:55
| <defunctzombie> | I bet it does |
| 20:56:59
| <defunctzombie> | cause it fstats |
| 20:57:00
| <defunctzombie> | haha |
| 20:57:07
| <defunctzombie> | that is fucked up |
| 20:57:25
| <thlorenz> | that's the problem - it works fine until you require it as a dependent via browserify |
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| <thlorenz> | defunctzombie: I'd prefer an early fail ;) |
| 20:57:42
| <defunctzombie> | personally, I would have relative paths be specified with a leading ./ |
| 20:57:46
| <defunctzombie> | yea |
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| <thlorenz> | defunctzombie: well we can't change node like that, but we may make browserify adapt to this weird behavior and/or at least give a more meaningful error |
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| <juliangruber> | dominictarr: secure-peer |
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| <juliangruber> | dominictarr: i want secure streams |
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| <dominictarr> | .. in the browser |
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| <juliangruber> | dominictarr: yup |
| 21:02:57
| <dominictarr> | right. cool. |
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| <juliangruber> | dominictarr: do you know of another method i could use? |
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| <dominictarr> | I'm using your keypair thing |
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| <juliangruber> | dominictarr: sweet, but how? |
| 21:03:31
| <dominictarr> | no, secure-peer is the ssh style, that is what you want. |
| 21:03:56
| <dominictarr> | I'm working on the same idea as pkp, but for generic data objects. |
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| <dominictarr> | for the cyphernet |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: pkp can work for any arbitrary data, not just packages |
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| <dominictarr> | well, I was working on this before you pushed pkp |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: ah ok |
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| <dominictarr> | but towards the same aim |
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| <mbalho> | juliangruber: i have secure websocket binary streams working in browser |
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| <mbalho> | juliangruber: doesnt have fallbacks though |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: hmm, do you think its worth working on pkp then still? |
| 21:07:31
| <juliangruber> | mbalho: omg! |
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| <juliangruber> | mbalho: how? where? |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: sounds like you have a broader solution |
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| <defunctzombie> | thlorenz: I would lean towards more meaningful error... substack? |
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| <mbalho> | http://blockplot.com/world.html#a378441a5d420286bbd2273828d696a8 |
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| <substack> | why do people put npmignore and gitignore files in pull requests >_< |
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| <mbalho> | juliangruber: that uses multilevel non-binary |
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| <thlorenz> | defunctzombie: +1 was thinking the same |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: where is it so i can see what it does? |
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| <mbalho> | juliangruber: if you're logged in you can read+write otherwise you can onlyr ead |
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| <dominictarr> | hij1nx: I have only just started |
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| <mbalho> | juliangruber: the only thing i can get to work is require('multilevel'), not require('mutlilevel/msgpack') |
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| <mbalho> | juliangruber: also couldnt get level-replicate or level-merkle to work reliably in browser yet |
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| <thlorenz> | defunctzombie: as I said: https://github.com/substack/node-resolve/blob/master/lib/async.js#L91 needs to be wrapped in try/catch and 'x' logged out in error message ^^ substack |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: looks im almost done with pkp |
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| <dominictarr> | oh, now I remember, I only got to messing around, without actually writing a module |
| 21:09:47
| <mbalho> | juliangruber: but the authenticated streams part is pretty easy https://github.com/maxogden/auth-socket |
| 21:10:08
| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: maybe you could help out with pkp? :) |
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| <substack> | thlorenz: can you send a pull request? |
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| <mbalho> | juliangruber: i am concerned about cpu usage for these higher level serialization protocols... i really wish there was just a dumb binary replication stream that didnt require complex CPU work to serialize/deserialize |
| 21:10:50
| <substack> | it could just throw with the file data |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: it would be nice to have a single spec/ref implementation, and so far, pkp is pretty small and simple |
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| <defunctzombie> | substack: they add those files just to make your day better :p |
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| <dominictarr> | hij1nx: at the moment I'm researching pgp/trust nets |
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| <juliangruber> | mbalho: is the websocket traffic actually encrypted? |
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| <thlorenz> | substack: yeah, that will be the simplest solution -- I'll do one tonite (wanna properly test that it works) |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: yeah, thats what I did as a starting point |
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| <dominictarr> | hij1nx: basically, all I have currently is some notes. |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: but i found that the scope was too broad |
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| <juliangruber> | mbalho: i got level-replicate to work with level and level-js, just using reconnect-engine |
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| <dominictarr> | did you find any good resources? |
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| <mbalho> | juliangruber: oh i dont have SSL turned on yet but it supporst it |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: yes, i can put together a gist with some links |
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| <juliangruber> | mbalho: i need it to work without servers or anything |
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| <substack> | defunctzombie: and they cause merge errors because I don't check those into git |
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| <mbalho> | juliangruber: why? |
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| <dominictarr> | hij1nx yes please! |
| 21:12:44
| <juliangruber> | mbalho: because, distributed |
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| <mbalho> | juliangruber: do you have a specific use case in mind? its probably going to be insecure and slow to do your own encryption |
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| <dominictarr> | hij1nx: what I want is part of this idea: https://gist.github.com/dominictarr/5990143 |
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| <dominictarr> | a way to create an object that signs another object. |
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| <juliangruber> | mbalho: a chat application where users store keypairs in their localstorage and the server knows nothing |
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| <dominictarr> | basically it would create an object {signed: SIGNED_HASH, signer: HASH_OF_SIGNING_KEY, signature: SIG} |
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| <dominictarr> | but the hard part is actually verifying that key X belongs to person Y |
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| <juliangruber> | mbalho: the server would just be forwarding encrypted data |
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| <mbalho> | juliangruber: only sucky thing about that is XSS vulnerabilities |
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| <defunctzombie> | what is the smallest ajax lib people know of? |
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| <juliangruber> | mbalho: hm? |
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| <substack> | defunctzombie: new XMLHttpRequest |
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| <mbalho> | juliangruber: if someone gets access to your JS context they can take your credentials |
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| <defunctzombie> | haha |
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| <mbalho> | juliangruber: whereas with httponly cookies for instance they can only make requests on your behalf but cant access your credentials directly |
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| <defunctzombie> | substack: anything with a reasonable api hahaha |
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| <dominictarr> | mbalho: if someone gets access to your machine your are fucked anyway. |
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| <substack> | defunctzombie: it's like 3 methods |
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| <juliangruber> | mbalho: it would be really great to get that working without having to run a private server |
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| <defunctzombie> | substack: haters be hatin |
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| <juliangruber> | mbalho: think phones or chromeos |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: https://gist.github.com/hij1nx/6107937 |
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| <mbalho> | dominictarr: XSS !== 'getting access to machine' |
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| <juliangruber> | mbalho: xss can be avoided, right |
| 21:19:45
| <chrisdickinson> | it can be avoided |
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| <chrisdickinson> | but you have to be careful. |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: if you want an object that signs another object, thats pkp |
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| <juliangruber> | chrisdickinson: when doing a web application with focus on security and privacy anyways, that's a given :D |
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| <dominictarr> | hij1nx: what are all the files and emails for? |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: however, this is a much smaller subset of your idea |
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| <dominictarr> | I just want a tiny module |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: thats just sugar on the "workflow" |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: it helps people to get the workflow accomplished |
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| <chrisdickinson> | juliangruber: `someElem.html('<a href="'+someInput+'">womp</a>')` is all it takes to open pandora's xss box. |
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| <dominictarr> | right, but only one specific workflow |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: actually i've removed a few steps from the workflow |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: sending an email is to alert either party of the signing is now optional |
| 21:23:15
| <dominictarr> | if this was build into an application, you might do that differently |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: and gisting the result as a public record is also no longer needed |
| 21:23:48
| <dominictarr> | what I want is just an object that signs another object |
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| <juliangruber> | chrisdickinson: there is no other way. secure encrypted messaging has to be possible with browser only code. no matter what it takes |
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| <dominictarr> | can you pull that out? then we can collaborate. |
| 21:24:08
| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: if this was to build an app, you'd just be wrapping diffie hellman because that's all you need |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: i can def pull it out into a smaller module |
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| <dominictarr> | I thought diffiehellman was different |
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| <dominictarr> | dh is for exchanging a symetrical key |
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| <chrisdickinson> | oh, yeah, i'm just giving an example of where you need to be hyper-vigilant about XSS. |
| 21:25:08
| <dominictarr> | without eavesdroppers |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: my main objective was to offer people a deadly simple tool to sign eachother's packages |
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| <dominictarr> | hij1nx: okay, that is cool - |
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| <dominictarr> | (you mean signing like, you've done a security audit?) |
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| <hij1nx> | dominictarr: but at the end of the day, you are signing the sha1 of a chunk of data |
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| <juliangruber> | dominictarr: security audit *and* to prove it's not been changed, e.g. when a distributed npm is in place |
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| <dominictarr> | juliangruber: mbalho I think chrome apps could help here, also, substack has an idea, regarding appcache |
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| <dominictarr> | that could be used to do secure updates |
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| <juliangruber> | dominictarr: how do chrome apps help? |
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| <juliangruber> | maybe I should invest some time in them... |
| 21:27:57
| <dominictarr> | they have different permission models than websites |
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| <juliangruber> | mhm |
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| <juliangruber> | and on phones it can just use phonegap to get access to lower apis |
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| <juliangruber> | in order to create tcp servers e.g. |
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| <dominictarr> | also, can install node programs directly on people's computers |
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| <dominictarr> | which people will do if there is a strong use |
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| <dominictarr> | although, web is so much easier. |
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| <juliangruber> | mhm |
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| <mbalho> | oh so awesome https://twitter.com/hughskennedy/status/361678374579617793 |
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| <defunctzombie> | mbalho: I think I just wet myself |
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| <mbalho> | yea for reals |
| 21:50:28
| <defunctzombie> | I also want to add a mode to browserify to de-duplicate |
| 21:50:35
| <defunctzombie> | even if npm install installs duplicates |
| 21:50:46
| <defunctzombie> | cause that sometimes happens with github urls |
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| <dominictarr> | wow |
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| <dominictarr> | that guy needs to be in stackvm |
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| <substack> | dominictarr, juliangruber: ok now battleship-search works with n-dimensional inputs |
| 21:58:13
| <substack> | but there's probably a bug in it someplace because it should converge more towards the maxima |
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| <juliangruber> | substack: rad! |
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| <dominictarr> | substack: the decription on his wiki was pretty straightforward! a pitty he didn't want to explain it while we where there |
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| <substack> | time for hammocks |
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| <substack> | cracking open snow crash |
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| <defunctzombie> | substack: I could not get through that book |
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| <mbalho> | dominictarr: hes a voxel.js contributor, but isnt on irc very often |
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| <dominictarr> | mbalho: he does good work |
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| <mbalho> | dominictarr: check out this talk he just gave https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhoTnce4-EQ |
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| <dominictarr> | oh, I saw that one |
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| <st_luke> | mikeal: ICE is the best way to travel in germany |
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| <mikeal> | st_luke: yeah, that's what i was seeing |
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| <mikeal> | i might spring for upper class tickets too |
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| <st_luke> | mikeal: fancy |
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| <st_luke> | mikeal: there's not a huge difference between first and second class from what I experienced, but reserving a seat is nice so you don't have to get up and move |
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| <st_luke> | mikeal: also, if you buy a ticket through eurorail or eurail or any of the third party vendors online you get ripped off, I never had an issue buying a ticket at the station even a few minutes before departure, it seems like the majority of riders don't reserve a seat. |
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| <mikeal> | do you get a better rate buying in advance? |
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| <st_luke> | mikeal: no I don't believe so |
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| <st_luke> | also fyi if you take a non-ICE train it sometimes looks like the ones in old James Bond movies, so there's that\ |
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| <mikeal> | haha |
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| <st_luke> | if you end up buying a ticket at a station keep in mind that american credit cards don't work on the ticket machines cause they lack the special chip thing, so you'll have to get some euros |
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| <defunctzombie> | st_luke: I will merge those new schools later today |
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| <mikeal> | st_luke: usually works if you talk to the booth |
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| <mikeal> | i travelled on ICE a few years back and that's what i had to do |
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| <mikeal> | st_luke: what is that thing called actually? |
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| <mikeal> | i need a new credit card anyway |
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| <mk30_> | chip and pin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B80SyRmtbdI |
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| <jesusabdullah> | hahaha got an email from an internal recruiter (the okay kind) |
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| <jesusabdullah> | title of email: "the startup everyone has been waiting for" |
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| <jesusabdullah> | lol |
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| <jesusabdullah> | ahhh, sales |
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