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02:52:28  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: there'll be more coming :)
02:52:41  <thlorenz>I hope you are open to make this more configurable ?
02:53:45  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: also do you have a working example somewhere? right now I still get an empty build.js
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03:02:38  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: always open to more awesome
03:03:00  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: I typically run it on node-int or some other repo I have that supports browser
03:03:20  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: would also be good to support the new "testling" field I think
03:03:24  <defunctzombie>but that is more involved
03:04:15  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: well first I'll fix some stuff (currently bundle error reporting) and I guess we can incrementally improve on it :)
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03:09:36  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: so instead of just sending a 500 I'll send javascript that writes the error to console and the document -- more useful
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03:14:06  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: actually hold that one -- maybe 500 is cleaner?
03:14:26  <thlorenz>since you can look in the terminal what the error was
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03:26:20  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: k, will hold
03:26:30  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: fixed by now ;)
03:26:35  <defunctzombie>:)
03:26:36  <thlorenz>you can merge that
03:26:40  <defunctzombie>k
03:26:53  <defunctzombie>if you have more fixes you can pull request them too
03:26:57  <defunctzombie>so I can merge several :)
03:27:10  <thlorenz>almost there - adding debug option
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03:27:46  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: for the current console log stuff, I think sending a message with the 500 might be better than console logging it
03:27:54  <defunctzombie>cause hten you know for what request it was for
03:27:57  <thlorenz>that's what I'm doing
03:28:41  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: https://github.com/shtylman/zuul/pull/8
03:29:05  <thlorenz>logs only on the server, but sends 500 to client (I force pushed on the PR)
03:29:43  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: I'll make debug true by default or not a good idea?
03:31:10  <defunctzombie>forget what debug true does haha
03:31:36  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: what is the point of logging to console is what I am saying
03:31:52  <thlorenz>so I know what the error was
03:31:54  <defunctzombie>just send 500 with content of err.message or err.stack
03:32:05  <thlorenz>in the terminal
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03:32:28  <defunctzombie>I see
03:32:32  <defunctzombie>ok
03:33:00  <thlorenz>I'm a terminal guy, but if you wanna add more details about the error in the browser with the 500 that is a good idea
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03:42:30  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: I think that's it for now, going to bed soon
03:42:53  <thlorenz>three other things that would be nice:
03:43:15  <thlorenz>1. rebundle on every refresh when running in browser (and pick up any new test files found)
03:43:45  <thlorenz>2. allow me to pass a bundle script
03:43:53  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: for auto rebundle check out what enchilada does
03:44:01  <defunctzombie>we have "watch" module built in
03:44:11  <defunctzombie>so when files change we get a rebundle on the server
03:44:20  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: no watch - don't like it cause it doesn't sync
03:44:34  <thlorenz>i.e. if I refresh too quickly I still get old bundle
03:44:54  <defunctzombie>not sure you can refresh too quickly with the way we do it
03:44:56  <thlorenz>I like it to rebundle right when I refresh, so I know I'm getting the latest code
03:44:59  <thlorenz>:)
03:45:02  <defunctzombie>heh
03:45:05  <thlorenz>ok, that's no biggy
03:45:06  <defunctzombie>that can work too
03:45:10  <defunctzombie>either way
03:45:36  <thlorenz>the 3rd request was to be able to stand up my own server and point zuul at it
03:45:56  <thlorenz>important for more integration heavy tests
03:56:40  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: at least I got this working with my tests now (only they are failing ;) )
03:56:47  <defunctzombie>:)
03:56:57  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: progress
03:57:44  <thlorenz>:) yep, trying to simplify this custom beast I created https://github.com/thlorenz/see-eat-sleep
03:58:26  <thlorenz>had to go thru that process though to see how to do this better and use existing tools like zuul - Domenic_ may have also been an influence ;)
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04:01:33  <defunctzombie>heh
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04:47:38  <defunctzombie>anyone creating html server side?
04:47:42  <defunctzombie>and if so, tips?
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04:47:58  <jesusabdullah>ejs :v
04:48:06  <jesusabdullah>and string concats <3
04:48:30  <jesusabdullah>defunctzombie: serious suggestion: cheerio
04:48:42  <defunctzombie>hm
04:48:48  <jesusabdullah>defunctzombie: it's a jquery-like api in nodes, pretty sweet
04:48:49  <defunctzombie>I would favor the string concat route over cheerio
04:48:57  <jesusabdullah>pffsht
04:49:01  <jesusabdullah>why?
04:49:24  <defunctzombie>simpler
04:49:28  <defunctzombie>cheering is more complex
04:49:31  <defunctzombie>and I don't need jquery
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04:49:41  <defunctzombie>basically need an xml writer
04:49:50  <defunctzombie>cheerio developer also doesn't understand dependencies
04:49:54  <defunctzombie>uses '*'
04:50:00  <defunctzombie>I don't use software from people that do that :)
04:51:43  <substack>defunctzombie: http://github.com/substack/node-trumpet
04:52:09  <jesusabdullah>defunctzombie: '*'? fair 'nuff I guess
04:52:28  <defunctzombie>substack: seems more for modification and not building?
04:52:35  <jesusabdullah>defunctzombie: I would say, though, that cheerio doesn't implement jquery per se, just the selector and generation part of the api
04:52:37  <substack>what do you mean "building"?
04:52:41  <substack>defunctzombie: what are you trying to do?
04:52:52  <jesusabdullah>pwn noobs duh
04:53:01  <defunctzombie>make a calendar, which involves making lots of divs
04:53:11  <defunctzombie>so I just wanna loop over some stuff and make some html
04:53:24  <substack>defunctzombie: https://github.com/substack/hyperglue
04:53:32  <defunctzombie>that is for binding haha
04:53:42  <defunctzombie>I know about all these modules you guys have :)
04:53:50  <defunctzombie>also, this is not in the browser
04:53:54  <substack>those are the modules I use to do what you're asking about
04:54:02  <defunctzombie>this is for html emails, so I need to make static html
04:54:08  <defunctzombie>if that puts it in more context
04:54:08  <substack>all those modules work in the server and the browser
04:54:11  <defunctzombie>ah
04:54:14  <jesusabdullah>defunctzombie: oh, yeah, string concats then
04:54:29  <defunctzombie>substack: hyperglue not so much cause I don't want to build all the html by hand
04:54:34  <defunctzombie>I have like hundreds of divs to add
04:54:46  <jesusabdullah>defunctzombie: or maybe cheerio, but for that use case string concats are probably about as good
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04:54:58  <jesusabdullah>defunctzombie: oh and protip: util.format >:)
04:55:10  <defunctzombie>heh
04:57:58  <jesusabdullah>serious, it's my secret weapon
04:58:06  <jesusabdullah>"I'll show YOU microtemplating!!"
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05:52:01  <substack>https://github.com/substack/webworkerify
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07:06:16  <jjjohnny_>substack: thats nice
07:07:14  <jjjohnny_>makes me want to reture my web worker module from npm
07:07:28  <jjjohnny_>call it free-slave
07:08:32  <substack>jjjohnny_: only because I cheated because I modified browser-pack subtly
07:10:47  <jjjohnny_>it aint cheatin using your own spells like only you know how
07:12:03  <jjjohnny_>just look at my own creation, had me casting work-slave!
07:18:50  <jjjohnny_>i just squated a module
07:19:09  <jjjohnny_>https://npmjs.org/package/shazaam
07:19:29  <jjjohnny_>i mean a spell
07:19:59  <jjjohnny_>i cast phony at shazaam
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08:03:37  <owen1>do u guys ever use a presenter object that is passed into the template? something like http://pastebin.com/pFw43a4M
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08:21:36  <juliangruber>owen1: i started using https://github.com/component/reactive which leans toward that idea
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09:18:50  <substack>dominictarr: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6-n9axdiOs
09:19:04  <dominictarr>wow!
09:23:38  <dominictarr>haha
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16:04:32  <thlorenz>Domenic_: if you got some time please look at: https://github.com/shtylman/zuul/issues/10
16:04:46  <thlorenz>wanna get cracking on this as soon as we all reach an agreement on this
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16:54:11  <substack>mikolalysenko: https://github.com/substack/webworkerify
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17:10:06  <mikolalysenko>substack: I saw it! I am excited
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19:42:02  <mbalho>substack: how do i listen to onmessage events inside worker.js in webworkerify?
19:43:55  <mbalho>substack: i tried just defining onmessage = function(evt) {} inside module.exports in the worker but it didnt work
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19:48:45  <mbalho>substack: oh wait nvm, it works, i am just dumb
19:49:32  <mikolalysenko>substack: when are you going to push webworkerify to npm?
19:50:16  <mbalho>im gonna brush off workerstream now
19:50:35  <mikolalysenko>ah wait, it is webworkify not webworkerify
19:50:59  <mikolalysenko>is that intentional, since it seems like it is inconsistent with the github repo
19:51:25  <mbalho>probably accident, the npm test command is also unimplemented
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20:30:50  <thlorenz>Raynos: I saw you used sinon before with browserify?
20:31:08  <thlorenz>I'm trying to get the sinon.fakeServer working, but keep getting: "TypeError: Cannot call method 'open' of undefined"
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20:44:13  <thlorenz>does anyone see what I'm doing wrong here trying to fake xhr? https://github.com/thlorenz/see-eat-sleep/blob/simplify/see/client/test/spikes/fake-server.js Raynos Domenic_
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22:10:12  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: hey
22:10:18  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: sup
22:10:26  <thlorenz>the last three commits in here https://github.com/shtylman/zuul/commits/config give me all I need
22:10:42  <thlorenz>they also solve the --debug problem since you can override browserify opts
22:11:32  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: let me know if you are fine with merging this into master and publishing as 0.1
22:11:50  <thlorenz>I'll do it once I get the OK
22:11:57  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: would prefer to see something in the readme about it
22:12:06  <defunctzombie>then you can merge it in
22:12:12  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: yeah, I can add that as well -- cool :)
22:12:30  <defunctzombie>once you merge it and tested master, open an issue for me to publish 0.1
22:12:34  <defunctzombie>assign issue to me
22:13:06  <thlorenz>not sure what you mean with 'tested master' -- currently we have no tests ( you mean smoke test ?)
22:13:29  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: just manually
22:13:35  <thlorenz>ok
22:13:37  <defunctzombie>make sure it can still run (I imagine you do that anyway)
22:14:26  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: I'm using it while building this out ;)
22:14:31  <defunctzombie>cool
22:14:55  <thlorenz>original functionality still works, think of the --config as an advanced feature that most people won't use
22:15:03  <thlorenz>but gives you all the power if you need it
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22:28:48  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: also what do you think about including all test files in subdirectories?
22:29:03  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: ?
22:29:12  <thlorenz>I rarely have my tests just flat in one dir for an app
22:29:40  <thlorenz>i.e. zuul ./test should include files in ./test/{views,models} , etc.
22:30:02  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: wouldn't you specify the files on the command line
22:30:31  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: you wouldn't want to, you'd have an npm test script that should automatically pick up new tests when you add them
22:30:49  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: what do you currently do for mocha?
22:30:52  <defunctzombie>or other test suites
22:30:55  <thlorenz>we could make it an option (--recursive)
22:31:02  <defunctzombie>you have to specify test/*.js test/views/*.js right?
22:31:06  <thlorenz>no
22:31:13  <thlorenz>I just say tap test/
22:31:30  <thlorenz>or tap test/**/*.js
22:31:39  <thlorenz>it understands glob
22:32:58  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: but I guess I could just say zuul test/ test/views test/models -- that would work right?
22:34:45  <defunctzombie>yea
22:34:56  <defunctzombie>or make it understand glob
22:43:33  <defunctzombie>substack: I pushed out new browser-resolve 1.1.2 with new resolve dep
22:43:45  <defunctzombie>to solve the pkg.main shits
22:59:17  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: added rebundle on refresh functionality (picks up any changes)
22:59:26  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: cool
22:59:28  <thlorenz>should it be rebundle by default or the opposite?
23:00:49  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: IMO rebundling by default is a good choice, even if you restart via a watcher since then you'd start fresh anyways and will only hit /build once
23:01:09  <defunctzombie>k
23:01:25  <defunctzombie>I think when you make a request, it should bundle
23:01:40  <thlorenz>actually I'm a moron it already did
23:01:49  <defunctzombie>haha
23:01:57  <thlorenz>all I added was for it to pick up new files, which is good
23:02:23  <thlorenz>so we'll keep that the default behavior since finding files is way faster than creating bundle anyways
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