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00:13:13  <jlord>yay! ok, if i host a github drinkup next thursday, will people come?
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02:30:37  <thlorenz>Domenic_: what's browserify's new super compact thing?
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02:36:50  <Domenic_>thlorenz: the format it spits out is like [["a bunch of source", {"./module-id": "1", "./other-id": "2"}], ["another module's source", ...], ...]
02:37:20  <thlorenz>yeah, but with sourcemaps you won't have to deal with that
02:37:33  <thlorenz>since all you need is the range in the bundle where the source is
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02:38:08  <Domenic_>yeah but i was talking about, after you have all the source, how do you output it in a format that the browser can understand
02:38:26  <Domenic_>browserify v1 had this `require.define("module id", function (require, exports, module) { ... })` thing
02:38:32  <Domenic_>so it was really easy to split up its bundles
02:38:37  <Domenic_>browserify v2 doesn't have that any more
02:38:59  <thlorenz>you'd make a require implementation that pulls modules from a global object after you loaded then via sync script tags
02:39:10  <thlorenz>s/then/them
02:39:23  <Domenic_>but you still need to modify the individual script files
02:39:31  <Domenic_>because they just use require/exports/module freely
02:39:38  <Domenic_>which won't work without a wrapper
02:39:43  <thlorenz>true
02:40:16  <thlorenz>you'd have to pull them in and stick their exports into some hash to which you point the require
02:40:30  <thlorenz>problem is you'd have to do it in the right order ;)
02:40:32  <Domenic_>and so basically at this point you're writing RequireJS
02:41:00  <Domenic_>thus my idea of just making the wrapper be the AMD wrapper, then letting RequireJS (or Almond?) do all the work
02:41:13  <thlorenz>yes, funny - was just gonna mention bromote which is exactly going in that direction
02:41:22  <Domenic_>so ridiculous :P
02:41:29  <thlorenz>it is
02:42:03  <thlorenz>if we only could teach r.js how npm works ;)
02:42:10  <Domenic_>lol "are forced to load scripts from urls for whatever reason that is out of their control."
02:42:16  <thlorenz>:)
02:42:19  <Domenic_>"like for example their boss said so"
02:42:42  <thlorenz>I mention further down that it makes sense to load jquery from a cdn though
02:42:48  <Domenic_>meh
02:42:55  <thlorenz>and makes bundling a lot faster during development
02:43:11  <Domenic_>anyway yeah i think writing something that analyzes a node directory layout and spits out a require.config would be pretty nifty
02:43:23  <thlorenz>totally agree
02:43:54  <Domenic_>at some point browserify isn't actually involved, except to do the transforms, lol.
02:43:54  <thlorenz>and/or at least create a bunch of much smaller bundles that are feasible to debug
02:44:31  <thlorenz>people are trying to solve the problem to create a module loader that works with all bundlers
02:45:14  <thlorenz>I think a better problem to solve is to be able to spit out commonJS modules in formats that can be consumed by any bundler and/or global script loaders
02:45:48  <Domenic_>like, umd?
02:46:22  <thlorenz>almost I guess, but I'd need to also control what gets included in the bundle
02:46:54  <thlorenz>i.e. someone may already have a global Backbone :P and then he doesn't want me to bundle it in even if my lib depends on it
02:47:04  <Domenic_>you've seen amd-wrap i assume?
02:47:07  <thlorenz>instead he wants me ending up using his Backbone
02:47:12  <thlorenz>yours?
02:47:16  <Domenic_>ya
02:47:18  <thlorenz>yes
02:47:21  <Domenic_>sounds like you want umd-wrap
02:47:34  <Domenic_>well actually i guess that already exists, ForbesLindesay/umd
02:47:42  <thlorenz>but it needs to understand npm and how to resolve deps
02:47:56  <thlorenz>and take a config of what to include and what not
02:48:09  <Domenic_>oh well why not go for the approach of not including anything
02:48:17  <thlorenz>ForbesLindesay/umd is basically enabling --standalone right
02:48:26  <Domenic_>yes but it doesn't bundle multiple files together
02:48:52  <thlorenz>that's actually feasible, but how would you resolve requires inside of it?
02:49:23  <thlorenz>so if I end up with each lib in its own file, and I could resolve them however I want, that is what we need
02:49:26  <Domenic_>well whichever module system you're using does it
02:49:34  <Domenic_>for requireJS that means massive require.config
02:49:43  <Domenic_>for node it means the usual algorithm
02:49:53  <thlorenz>got it, so you'd override the 'require'
02:50:15  <thlorenz>but you'd have to make relative paths work :(
02:50:23  <thlorenz>feels like you'd need to rewrite some code
02:51:13  <thlorenz>the main requirejs cheat is that it's async - that opens up lots of client side possiblities
02:51:32  <thlorenz>but require works sync, so you can't go fetch anything for instance -- hence bromote
02:51:40  <Domenic_>i don't think it makes much difference
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02:52:08  <thlorenz>but I can't make an ajax request if its sync
02:52:25  <thlorenz>so somehow I need to make sure I pull in everything before I start
02:53:03  <thlorenz>unless I do this hack they call syncXHR
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02:55:02  <thlorenz>Domenic_: interested now what @ben-ng comes up with, given the challenges ;)
02:55:17  <Domenic_>thlorenz: definitely :D
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16:23:26  <Altreus>this page says the latest version is 0.3.7 but when I try to install 0.3.x it only goes up to 0.2.6 :( https://npmjs.org/package/elasticsearch
16:23:33  <Altreus>who do i fight
16:24:30  <coderzach>Altreus: you probably have it cached
16:24:51  <Altreus>oh
16:25:10  <coderzach>it installed 0.3.7 for me just now
16:25:24  <coderzach>npm cache clean
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16:25:56  <guybrush>if the cache prevents from installing the proper version its a bug
16:27:01  <Altreus>nup
16:27:04  <Altreus>not that
16:27:44  <coderzach>O_o weird
16:27:45  <guybrush>so maybe try npm i -g npm
16:28:12  <guybrush>then do a rm -rf node_modules and try again
16:28:27  <Altreus>just waiting for /-/all to respond
16:28:34  <Altreus>it didn't :/
16:28:58  <Altreus>that was a search though - was just interested in what it thought of things
16:30:07  <Altreus>no joy
16:30:19  <Altreus>are there mirrors?
16:30:36  <guybrush>maybe try npm i ncb000gt/node-elasticsearch
16:30:50  <guybrush>it will install master of git
16:31:37  <Altreus>The JSON response here https://registry.npmjs.org/elasticsearch does not match what my system says
16:31:45  <guybrush>but there is something wrong if it doesnt work from the registry :D
16:32:07  <Altreus>also its https certificate is broked
16:32:18  <Altreus>But I made npm use http. Maybe that's why
16:32:46  <guybrush>how did you do that?
16:32:50  <guybrush>make npm use http
16:32:51  <Altreus>Forgot
16:32:56  <Altreus>:)
16:33:09  <Altreus>hmm
16:33:13  <Altreus>It was a setting
16:33:14  <guybrush>oh
16:33:21  <guybrush>its default isnt it?
16:33:27  <guybrush>in the npmrc
16:33:49  <Altreus>registry = http://registry.npmjs.org # like this
16:34:00  <Altreus>no it seems to use https by default - which times out
16:34:16  <Altreus>oh i have an idea
16:34:49  <Altreus>ok now I'm being debian'd
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16:40:23  <Altreus>I'm 0.2 versions behind in npm
16:42:16  <coderzach>1.3.5 not 1.3.7?
16:42:57  <Altreus>oh christ it installed node 0.6
16:42:57  <Altreus>right back to the drawing board
16:43:08  <Altreus>nope the maths form of 0.2
16:43:22  <Altreus>1.1.7
16:43:25  <Altreus>screw apt
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17:22:22  <Raynos>jden: do you use typescript?
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17:28:15  <dimadima>typescript stacks, etc are in JS, right?
17:28:19  <dimadima>just like CS?
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17:28:44  <dimadima>they're not mitigating that "issue" somehow, are they?
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17:32:11  <coderzach>stacks?
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17:34:48  <isaacs>how much do you want to bet that Hi all,
17:34:48  <isaacs>I created a new tool browsers/Node.js compatible.
17:34:48  <isaacs>It can handle asynchronous calls as if they weren't, and can create relationships between your various scopes.
17:34:54  <isaacs>oops, wrong-paste :)
17:35:12  <isaacs>how much do you want to bet that "MichaĆ«l Rouges" is mikeal in a french disguise?
17:35:42  <isaacs>promoting yield pseudo-sync flow-control stuff? it's too good.
17:36:04  <dimadima>coderzach: stack traces
17:36:46  <coderzach>I think it has sourcemaps
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17:37:48  <mikeal>hahaha
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17:38:10  <mikeal>i wish i had the time to write entire libraries just to support a parody account :)
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17:43:32  <Raynos>dimadima: yes they compile to js
17:43:55  <Raynos>isaacs: :D
17:48:39  <dimadima>never used TS or CS, but i don't imagine that traces being in JS can be that annoying. prolly gets annoying though.
17:50:43  <st_luke>coderzach: whats up dude
17:50:55  <coderzach>not much
17:50:59  <st_luke>still in nyc?
17:51:02  <coderzach>yeah
17:51:15  <coderzach>you?
17:51:33  <st_luke>I'm in oakland/sf now
17:51:43  <coderzach>oh nice
17:52:30  <coderzach>you working on anything cool?
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17:53:27  <dimadima>coderzach: oh just noticed your sourcemaps comment. nice. yeah, seems rather reasonable having not used it
17:53:39  <dimadima>what are ppl up to in nyc
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17:54:37  <dimadima>i haven't lived/worked there recently. didn't really dig my professional scene, and didn't have the time to dig around for other computer ppl
17:54:56  <coderzach>yeah, def less tech people here
17:54:57  <dimadima>woudl have loved to meet some hackers who like love coding not just for profit
17:55:12  <coderzach>I think the startup space is better for that
17:55:43  <dimadima>i'm not a big startups guy either, though. maybe that is my problem. that startups culture isn't my jam entirely
17:55:51  <dimadima>but you're prolly right
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17:56:20  <coderzach>st_luke: seems like you got out of wayla at a good time
17:56:39  <dimadima>it was nice working in the flatiron though. i'd do that again
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18:19:22  <st_luke>flatiron is ok, the food kind of sucks. soho is a lot cooler and way better food/coffee
18:19:29  <st_luke>at least for work
18:19:38  <st_luke>flatiron is probably better to live in
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19:03:00  <defunctzombie>substack: there is a browserify jobs twitter account
19:03:02  <defunctzombie>hahaha
19:03:21  <defunctzombie>https://twitter.com/BrowserifyJobs
19:03:46  <mbalho>lol
19:04:16  <st_luke>fancy avatar
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19:07:16  <coderzach>"the best bundlers"
19:15:29  <dominictarr>mbalho: substack when are you guys coming to ireland?
19:15:41  <st_luke>defunctzombie: what the fuck, your identicon is so much better than mine
19:15:43  <st_luke>http://identicons.github.com/luk-.png
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19:17:28  <defunctzombie>st_luke: rofl
19:17:32  <defunctzombie>st_luke: sadpanda
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19:18:11  <st_luke>I literally got the worst identicon anyone could get
19:24:45  <thlorenz>st_luke: defunctzombie mine looks like a spider not sure if that's better http://identicons.github.com/thlorenz.png
19:25:03  <thlorenz>or could be a muscleman - depends how you look at it
19:25:13  <defunctzombie>looks like a skull ot me
19:25:14  <defunctzombie>*to
19:25:18  <st_luke>yeah that's a good one
19:25:24  <st_luke>at least yours isnt a fucking coffee table
19:26:15  <thlorenz>st_luke: defunctzombie https://twitter.com/thlorenz/status/367728842942976000
19:28:46  <st_luke>how do I vote
19:32:16  <thlorenz>you reply
19:32:35  <thlorenz>st_luke: unless you want me to create github issue for it ;)
19:34:55  <dominictarr>thlorenz: I think your identicon is cthuthlu
19:35:03  <dominictarr>http://identicons.github.com/dominictarr.png
19:35:26  <dominictarr>I'm a hat without a wearer
19:35:35  <defunctzombie>haha
19:35:37  <defunctzombie>it is hair
19:35:40  <defunctzombie>pink hair
19:36:04  <coderzach>mines a guy with no legs :-( https://identicons.github.com/xcoderzach.png
19:37:03  <dominictarr>coderzach: I see a grumpy cat with a third eye in forhead
19:37:18  <dominictarr>it would be a boat if it was lower in the field
19:37:27  <coderzach>lol
19:37:57  <coderzach>a squinting duck with a third eye
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19:46:00  <AvianFlu>...I guess I'm a treasure chest? http://identicons.github.com/avianflu.png
19:46:43  <coderzach>AvianFlu: I think you're a pink pirate
19:48:45  <AvianFlu>lol
19:48:52  <AvianFlu>YOU HEAR THAT LOUDBOT I'M A PINK PIRATE
19:48:52  <LOUDBOT>HEY SPIFFYTECH WHATS YOUR IMPACT FACTOR?
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19:51:27  <jcrugzz>im an antennae http://identicons.github.com/jcrugzz.png
19:58:06  <Raynos>im a potion http://identicons.github.com/raynos.png
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20:48:34  <ins0mnia>chrisdickinson: think TZ can be expanded to return something like Europe/Berlin (which is sort of a location/offset mapping) ?
20:50:02  <chrisdickinson>potentially yes
20:53:58  <ins0mnia>chrisdickinson: cool, I'm thinking to use tz with moment.js, so basically we could include a list of timezones bases on GMT offset and map it to tzoffset()
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20:54:26  <ins0mnia>chrisdickinson: let me know if this is something you wish to have in the module, if so I could do the mapping
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22:02:12  <st_luke>at least you're not all a fuckin shelf
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