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00:00:53  <defunctzombie>and just needed a "model" layer to hook into it
00:01:18  <defunctzombie>and yea, I keep everything in isolated components as I can
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03:29:46  <substack>BEEP
03:29:55  <substack>yay remapped my right shift to a return key
03:30:15  <substack>since the action on the return key is busted
03:30:39  <substack>I'll fix it properly once I have access to a hot glue gun but this is working pretty good for now.
03:36:48  <jesusabdullah>substack: I did that with my n key on my dell mini 9 when the m key straight fell off
03:36:53  <jesusabdullah>substack: *fistbump*
03:37:18  <jesusabdullah>I think I also had to remap right shift to that one useless key all the windows keyboards have
03:37:40  <substack>neural plasticity woo
03:38:35  <jesusabdullah>indeed, I coded full time like that for something like 6 weeks
03:42:11  <substack>this feels more clean since it's just a modifier key, not alphanumeric
03:46:17  <jesusabdullah>yeah totes
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05:09:06  <isaacs>jesusabdullah: what did you map to "m" if "m" was maped to "n"?
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05:25:29  <defunctzombie>isaacs: did you get to benchmark use strict any?
05:29:13  <isaacs>defunctzombie: oh, no, got distracted
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05:35:16  <defunctzombie>isaacs: do you have a specific test you run?
05:35:20  <defunctzombie>is it somewhere public?
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05:37:35  <isaacs>defunctzombie: https://gist.github.com/isaacs/6396401
05:37:40  <isaacs>defunctzombie: no effect on 0.10
05:38:21  <defunctzombie>interesting to know
05:38:25  <defunctzombie>and on 0.11 stuff?
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05:41:45  <defunctzombie>wonder if travis.ci has a way to specify what flags node is run with
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08:28:21  <dominictarr>jjjohnny: I want an adam curtis style documentary about software engineering, and why projects always fail
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16:41:49  <dominictarr>http://dymaxion.org/essays/venture_warlordism.html
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18:34:26  <isaacs>defunctzombie: in master: https://gist.github.com/isaacs/6399868
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18:53:12  <defunctzombie>isaacs: not bad
18:53:14  <defunctzombie>isaacs: certainly interesting to see that it seems to have no effect
18:54:59  <defunctzombie>kinda tempted to run things in strict mode and open up some issues on modules to fix those and see what responses are like
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19:33:04  <AvianFlu>O HEY HAI EVERYBODY
19:33:04  <LOUDBOT>AND I CANNOT BEAT YOU AT **SCIENCE**
19:33:18  <AvianFlu>SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO, LOUDBOT, BEAT ME WITH A STICK!?
19:33:18  <LOUDBOT>BABY YOU CAN ZIP MY LUGGAGE ANY TIME
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19:51:14  <defunctzombie>Raynos: https://npmjs.org/package/object-keys
19:51:36  <defunctzombie>Raynos: this is dumb...
19:51:55  <defunctzombie>makes the xtend module that much larger
19:52:10  <defunctzombie>cause the || check in object-keys is not something browserify will pick up on
19:52:36  <defunctzombie>either just use object.keys and let the user shim it
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19:52:42  <defunctzombie>or just do (for key in obj)
19:52:48  <defunctzombie>and check with hasOwnProperty
19:54:24  <defunctzombie>and for all that effort that module still doesn't work on older IE based on testling badge
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20:11:12  <dominictarr>jjjohnny: watching adam curtis doccos
20:15:10  <mbalho>anyone know if curl/wget handle backpressure? (or unix pipes in general)
20:15:44  <dominictarr>mbalho: echo hello | curl -sSNT - host
20:16:09  <dominictarr>backpressure is at tcp level
20:16:43  <dominictarr>and the kernel manages backpressure on pipes by actually descheduling processes (!)
20:17:06  <mbalho>whoa
20:17:24  <substack>mbalho: they do
20:18:31  <mbalho>dominictarr: im trying to design a bulk data import API for dat (and therefore leveldb), what i have at the moment is "curl somehugeCSV | ldjson-csv | dat"
20:18:32  <substack>mbalho: the shell uses a 64k ring buffer and when the ring buffer is full the shell sends a SIGTSTP when the buffer is full
20:18:40  <mbalho>ldjson-csv turns each csv row into a json object
20:18:43  <substack>and a SIGPIPE when the input ends
20:19:04  <dominictarr>mbalho: that seems reasonable
20:19:09  <mbalho>but im trying to decide how to handle leveldb batching and making sure i'm doing as much as possible in terms of telling curl to slow down
20:19:37  <substack>and then it uses SIGTTIN and SIGTTOU to tell the consuming process when there is data available from input and output
20:19:48  <substack>or something like that
20:19:54  <mbalho>dominictarr: cause when i insert a 100,000 row csv into leveldb it takes minutes for the batch to commit
20:20:15  <mbalho>(as one batch)
20:20:39  <mbalho>but as the level-bulk-load stuff gets figured out its looking like i'll have to throttle the batches
20:20:42  <dominictarr>mbalho: are you on the latest version?
20:20:44  <mbalho>and i dont wanna run out of memory
20:20:45  <mbalho>dominictarr: yep
20:20:55  <dominictarr>after the recent fixes?
20:21:02  <mbalho>the fixes were a memory leak
20:21:13  <substack>or maybe it actually uses SIGSTOP and SIGPOLL
20:21:17  <substack>need to research this more
20:21:32  <mbalho>dominictarr: do these https://github.com/maxogden/dat/wiki
20:21:34  <dominictarr>hmm, so what I would do is strip away all the bits and see if the problem goes away
20:21:43  <mbalho>dominictarr: particularly curl http://stat-computing.org/dataexpo/2009/1988.csv.bz2 | bzip2 -d | ldjson-csv | dat, which will reproduce what i'm describing
20:21:57  <mbalho>dominictarr: you'll probably wanna redirect the output from dat into a log or something
20:22:02  <dominictarr>like, what if you just load that into memory in a script and batch it into leveldown directly?
20:23:01  <dominictarr>then you'll learn if it's with leveldb or with streams
20:23:32  <mbalho>dominictarr: have you been following https://github.com/maxogden/level-bulk-load/issues/1 at all?
20:27:05  <dominictarr>reading
20:28:47  <defunctzombie>substack: https://ci.testling.com/shtylman/rrule
20:28:58  <defunctzombie>substack: this runs fine locally for me using the "testling" cli tool
20:29:09  <defunctzombie>substack: any tips on how I can help debug this?
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20:30:41  <defunctzombie>substack: another suggestion on that screen, for browsers I don't test, maybe put a flag or something on that view to indicate browser was not tested or something.. would be a good way to indicate what browsers I could add it my testling config if I wanted to test more
20:32:53  <dominictarr>mbalho: hmm, it's very bursty
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22:41:33  <niftylettuce>what do you guys use for secure setup, T012/VPN/IPSEC/PPTP? /cc pkrumins substack mbalho
22:44:57  <pkrumins>secure setup? in what sense?
22:46:25  <pkrumins>we just use ssh connections to our servers, that's all
22:46:35  <pkrumins>we don't have a vpn
22:51:04  <pkrumins>we used OpenVPN at plurk though
22:51:28  <pkrumins>the servers had no public access to any of the ports
22:52:04  <pkrumins>you'd vpn into the openvpn server and then you'd have access to all the private servers
22:52:14  <pkrumins>so if that's something you wish to do, check out openvpn!
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23:22:34  <defunctzombie>isaacs: when installing npm shits using the github syntax with commit ids, if a bump a commit id but don't bump the version in the package.json … should I expect npm to still install the new version?
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23:38:24  <defunctzombie>substack: also, another amazing thing that would be beyond amazing for testling, provide an API where I can just run tests against browsers from my local box… so like I would have something like:
23:38:35  <defunctzombie>testling --browser ie8 test/test.js
23:38:54  <defunctzombie>and it would bundle test/test.js, and make a POST to testling or something and wait for result
23:39:17  <defunctzombie>probably overkill but ya know haha
23:39:38  <substack>that feature is on the way
23:40:39  <defunctzombie>ooooo
23:40:41  <defunctzombie>look at you
23:40:43  <defunctzombie>reading minds
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23:43:37  <niftylettuce>pkrumins: yea im setting it up
23:43:44  <niftylettuce>pkrumins: testing local with vagrant/puppet
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