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03:13:39  <ryanflorence>I'm using grunt-browserify and trying to configure a testing setup. since "require" inside of a bundle can't find anything you didn't add to "external" how does one set this up in a sane way?
03:13:59  <ryanflorence>I've got vendor and app bundles
03:14:01  <ryanflorence>adding a testing bundle
03:14:17  <ryanflorence>but I'm not sure how the test bundle modules will be able to find the app modules
03:14:39  <ryanflorence>and adding them all to external feels like the wrong way to do things
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03:27:22  <jesusabdullah>ryanflorence: make test files that require your app stuff and then just use that single bundle
03:27:41  <jesusabdullah>ryanflorence: that's what I'd do anyway
03:28:03  <ryanflorence>jesusabdullah: what's the point of bundles then?
03:28:25  <ryanflorence>if I understand correctly, you're saying to bundle up my app for my app, and then bundle it up again but with tests?
03:28:48  <ryanflorence>that would bundling twice on the same files, which does not scale
03:31:17  <jesusabdullah>ryanflorence: yup
03:31:28  <ryanflorence>that's not an acceptable solution :(
03:31:32  <jesusabdullah>ryanflorence: the point I guess is just to have something that will run in the browser
03:31:44  <jesusabdullah>I don't think anyone thought much beyond that
03:31:46  <ryanflorence>I should be able to only rebuild one bundle when needed, why not just allow require to be global and have it understand how to require modules from any bundle?
03:32:14  <jesusabdullah>probably because blah blah global is bad blah blah?
03:32:29  <ryanflorence>all you're doing is saying "hey browser, here's a fake file system on an object literal, when I say `require`, give me this "file"
03:33:00  <ryanflorence>jesusabdullah: it would be an option ofc, and browserify already has globals as an option
03:33:28  <jesusabdullah>yeah I dunno
03:33:32  <jesusabdullah>I'm actually terrible at browserify
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04:16:00  <defunctzombie>don't cry
04:20:08  <jesusabdullah>huh?
04:25:13  <substack>ryanflorence: why not just `browserify test/*.js` ?
04:25:29  <ryanflorence>how do my tests require my units to test?
04:25:29  <substack>why does that not scale I don't get why you think that doesn't "scale"
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04:25:41  <substack>in your test/foo.js just require('../something.js')
04:25:57  <substack>if that doesn't scale then probably your thing is too big
04:26:02  <ryanflorence>if its in a different bundle require doesn't find it
04:26:15  <substack>what are you talking about?
04:26:28  <substack>you just have a file called somefile.js in your repo
04:26:35  <substack>and you just require('../somefile.js')
04:26:37  <substack>from test/
04:26:49  <substack>what is this business about bundles that doesn't matter?
04:27:21  <ryanflorence>maybe something is setup wrong
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04:28:03  <substack>you just put files in your repo and then you require them
04:28:10  <substack>your tests shouldn't ever be using bundles
04:28:16  <jesusabdullah>substack: ryanflorence: Like <script src="./app.js"></script> <script src="./tests.js"></script> ?
04:28:26  <ryanflorence>^ that
04:28:58  <ryanflorence>ideally my vendor/app/test bundles are only rebuilt when they need to be
04:29:04  <substack>who cares?
04:29:14  <ryanflorence>download/build time
04:29:18  <substack>it sounds like this "ideally" caveat is just going to make things crazy hard for you
04:29:28  <substack>instead of doing things the stupid easy way that works
04:29:55  <substack>first make something that works THEN optimize it
04:30:03  <ryanflorence>substack: that is where I'm at
04:30:04  <jesusabdullah>but it already works
04:30:12  <jesusabdullah>can we optimise it?
04:30:39  <ryanflorence>from this interaction I can see that browserify is not for me
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04:36:33  <defunctzombie>wow
04:36:39  <defunctzombie>that guy totally just gave up
04:36:53  <defunctzombie>browserify is for him.. he is just complicating his own setup
04:37:08  <substack>browserify is not for people who like to over-complicate things
04:37:11  <substack>that's what requirejs is for
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04:37:21  <defunctzombie>hahaha
04:37:26  <jesusabdullah>guys
04:37:37  <chapel>having used requirejs for a project, it is more complex than it needs to be
04:37:40  <jesusabdullah>he's actually pretty cool
04:37:42  <jesusabdullah>ryan I mean
04:37:58  <jesusabdullah>he does a lot of ember stuff, that might give you a better idea of where he's coming from
04:38:02  <defunctzombie>tell him to come back and we cal help
04:38:04  <defunctzombie>*can
04:38:25  <chapel>substack can have some tough love, but he means well :P
04:38:45  <defunctzombie>the problem I have noticed of people coming from requirejs or other things is they don't immediately understand/appreciate the simplicity of commonjs requires
04:39:03  <jesusabdullah>I mean
04:39:09  <defunctzombie>and that you shouldn't be needing to add 30 script tags, etc
04:39:16  <chapel>defunctzombie: coming from node.js/commonjs and going to requirejs, it was infuriating
04:39:22  <defunctzombie>I bet
04:39:32  <jesusabdullah>I think if someone doing heavy client-side dev looks at using browserify they see the value in commonjs
04:39:50  <defunctzombie>I mean…all it takes is looking at how every other language does imports to realize requirejs approach is just annoying
04:40:09  <defunctzombie>I can't imagine doing js dev without commonjs requires and browserify
04:40:17  <chapel>it is overly config heavy
04:40:22  <chapel>it appears flexible, but it isn't
04:40:46  <chapel>reminds me of trying to get google closure working
04:41:05  <chapel>I wanted to use one library, but I had to use it all, or do some hacky way to include that one lib
04:42:00  <substack>all or nothing!
04:43:02  <chapel>damn java conventions
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05:20:02  <jesusabdullah>dangit nexxy so mean to Dylan's Mom, she's like 50 and kind of a loonie
05:20:07  <jesusabdullah>hahaha
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05:46:28  <chapel>hows the weather in utah jesusabdullah ?
05:46:43  <chapel>went to the park today, was nice and warm as usual lol
05:46:57  <chapel>planning on going to the beach tomorrow
05:49:18  <jesusabdullah>chapel: nice
05:49:38  <jesusabdullah>chapel: mostly overcast, not a lot of rain
05:50:24  <chapel>ah, it hasn't rained for a few weeks now
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06:21:59  <nexxy>jesusabdullah, well she shouldn't have started talking about my ass :P
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06:59:58  <substack>nexxy: what is this‽
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07:15:59  <nexxy>substack, someone on jesusabdullah's FB was trying way too hard to prove how 'informed' she was on the whole Syria thing
07:16:10  <nexxy>and I asked a flippant question and she started ranting
07:16:11  <nexxy>it was great
07:16:48  <substack>oh goodness
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10:14:02  <hij1nx>jesusabdullah: emberjs + "pretty cool guy" = SEGFAULT
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11:30:24  <djcoin>hij1nx: what do you mean ? :)
11:30:33  <djcoin>emberjs is not for the average ?
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13:22:29  <hij1nx>djcoin: im trolling. i don't like ember, but to be completely fair, i don't really like frameworks, I like modules.
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16:08:06  <thlorenz>has anyone been able to install v8-profiler? node-gyp build fails in my case (node 0.10.17, MAC OSX 10.17.5)
16:08:35  <thlorenz>on the other hand I wonder if heapdump may be the better way to track down my memory leak?
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16:22:55  <dominictarr>hey look at this: some one's university assignment https://github.com/amdurgin
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16:23:05  <dominictarr>in modular node.js with leveldb
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16:28:09  <thlorenz>dominictarr: awesome - leveldb taking over the world
16:28:45  <thlorenz>dominictarr: on another note could it be that if I keep writing lots of data to level without ever closing it I'd get a memory leak?
16:29:16  <thlorenz>my mining code is leaking bad :( trying to track down the problem
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16:35:33  <dominictarr>I think it builds up lots of memory, but should die down after a bit
16:35:57  <dominictarr>there was a issue about this
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16:51:13  <thlorenz>dominictarr: ah, ok, at this point I'm not sure at all where it's coming from - could also be the writestream to log events
16:51:36  <thlorenz>turned that off for now -- having trouble loading heap dumps as they crash canary :(
16:55:48  <guybrush>creationix: caelum looks pretty nice! love it
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17:01:07  <guybrush>but i wonder why is it a chrome-app and not just a js-client?
17:08:28  <thlorenz>dominictarr: I don't think this is normal right? https://github.com/thlorenz/valuepack-mine/issues/2
17:08:52  <thlorenz>memory usages decreases also, but overall it just keeps going up like crazy
17:09:55  <dominictarr>hmm, we don't really understand how this part works yet
17:09:59  <dominictarr>brb
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17:49:45  <chrisdickinson>thlorenz: have you tried looking at http://npm.im/heapdump ?
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17:50:46  <thlorenz>chrisdickinson: I'm using that currently, thanks - just still learning how to interpret them i.e. only worry about Retained, ignore builtins and GC Roots, etc.
17:51:04  <jesusabdullah>herpdermp
17:51:09  <thlorenz>chrisdickinson: I have a slight suspicion that something may leak in request, but am not sure
17:51:23  <thlorenz>I'm doing a ton of requests to pull down half of github :)
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17:55:54  <thlorenz>chrisdickinson: Request, ClientRequest and Agent make up 13% of retained memory each
17:56:08  <jesusabdullah>nexxy: that picture of you tasha and elliott is awesome I love it <3
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18:16:39  <thlorenz>chrisdickinson: getting lots of socket hangups along with the memory leak getting bigger is probably pointing towards request? - gonna try to swap in substack hyperquest to see if that helps
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19:22:12  <mbalho>thisandagain: YO
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19:58:31  <hij1nx>dominictarr: lol, `npm view JSONStream`... `[email protected]:chrisdew/jsonstream.git`
19:59:41  <dominictarr>hij1nx: looks right for me
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20:00:13  <hij1nx>dominictarr: hmm, odd, i wonder why it shows me this other guy's package
20:01:19  <dominictarr>some thing to do with case insensitivity on osx
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20:01:25  <hij1nx>dominictarr: he's got a mission http://www.chrisdew.com/blog/2013/06/11/json-stream-rfc-a-standard-for-delimiting-in-a-stream-protocol-tcp/
20:01:27  <mbalho>hij1nx: on node 0.10.17/macosx 10.8 i get only dominics
20:01:56  <hij1nx>mbalho: im on 10.16
20:02:02  <dominictarr>weild thing, is that I get JSONStream returned from JSONStream AND jsonstream
20:02:31  <dominictarr>so, I can't get chrisdew's
20:02:54  <mbalho>competing standards, http://trephine.org/t/index.php?title=Newline_delimited_JSON https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_Delimited_JSON
20:03:17  <hij1nx>dominictarr: i get both of his packages with upper and lower case
20:03:35  <dominictarr>weird
20:04:00  <dominictarr>hmm, it's cached
20:04:24  <dominictarr>and npm does a case insensitive search
20:04:38  <dominictarr>well, the cache is case insensitive
20:04:42  <hij1nx>dominictarr: i cleared my cache
20:04:48  <dominictarr>so you get back whatever you request first
20:05:04  <dominictarr>hij1nx: clear it again, and then npm view JSONStream
20:05:10  <dominictarr>(with correct case)
20:05:15  <hij1nx>dominictarr: i just did
20:05:33  <dominictarr>what did you do to clear your cache?
20:06:15  <hij1nx>dominictarr: sudo npm cache clean -- but then i noticed, it is a bug with npm.
20:06:25  <dominictarr>hij1nx: rm ~/.npm/jsonstream/.cache.json
20:06:37  <hij1nx>dominictarr: no, its a bug with npm
20:06:59  <dominictarr>I did that, and got the other one - yes, it's a bug, but it's a bug in the client
20:07:15  <hij1nx>dominictarr: its case sensitive
20:07:36  <mbalho>st_luke: i got a new node hacker to move in for oct 1st, we should try to find one more
20:07:37  <hij1nx>dominictarr: i suppose the bigger problem is, how can there be two packages with the same name
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20:08:19  <dominictarr>hij1nx: well, because I published JSONStream before isaacs realized it needed to be case insensitive
20:08:34  <dominictarr>you can't have module names with caps in them any more!
20:08:52  <mbalho>ooh grandfathered
20:09:04  <dominictarr>exactly
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20:09:57  <hij1nx>dominictarr: so, i wonder if it will be left like that
20:10:37  <hij1nx>nerdbo.at
20:11:06  <dominictarr>hij1nx: yes.
20:11:30  <dominictarr>I know isaac will try to never break the old stuff
20:11:41  <hij1nx>dominictarr: have you seen this? http://nerdbo.at
20:12:27  <mbalho>on a fresh mac with node installed from the nodejs.org downlaoded installer i get Error: EACCES, mkdir '/usr/local/lib/node_modules/http-server' when installing global deps :(
20:12:48  <dominictarr>hij1nx: ha
20:12:54  <dominictarr>yeah, I heard of that.
20:13:12  <dominictarr>I'm sure I would find it really annoying though
20:13:40  <mbalho>lol
20:13:54  <dominictarr>hmm, although… they say that they will travel with the wind
20:14:06  <dominictarr>"maybe denmark or sweden"
20:14:12  <dominictarr>which is a good sign
20:14:48  <dominictarr>A boat like that needs a massive, well trained crew
20:15:50  <hij1nx>dominictarr: yeah, its a professional crew, its not being operated by programmers
20:16:11  <dominictarr>right, but will they ACTUALLY sail it? or mostly motor?
20:16:39  <hij1nx>dominictarr: well, i hope that they do what they say that are going to do ;)
20:16:53  <dominictarr>looking at the site now
20:18:19  <dominictarr>hmm, it looks like they might actually sail it
20:19:18  <hij1nx>dominictarr: perhaps, but they may need your help! we are all counting on you to advise them! :)
20:20:29  <hij1nx>dominictarr: oh yeah, juliangruber is going too.
20:21:17  <dominictarr>hey, they have one that they take into the arctic! http://www.tallship-company.com/abenteuer-spitzbergen/
20:23:15  <hij1nx>dominictarr: yeah, these look pretty awesome!
20:23:50  <dominictarr>I think I'd much rather go on a pure sailing thing than a "nerdboat" thing
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20:43:03  <hij1nx>dominictarr: that's cool, just thought i'd mention it since you like boats :)
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20:43:29  <dominictarr>hij1nx: we'll go on a boat trip another time!
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20:51:40  <dominictarr>hij1nx: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_REHDxhfKg&list=PL8242E7D8A9C8445C
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20:52:13  <dominictarr>^ about cold war stratigists
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21:52:47  <dominictarr>substack: hey, what is your dublin flight?
21:56:49  <jcrugzz>:3b
21:56:54  <jcrugzz>irssi fail
21:57:03  <jesusabdullah>orly
21:57:17  <jcrugzz>the escape key doesnt register fast enough xD
21:57:26  <jesusabdullah>your MOM doesn't register fast enough
21:57:27  <jesusabdullah>er
21:57:30  <jesusabdullah>not sure what that means
21:57:32  <jesusabdullah>oh well!
21:59:14  <AvianFlu>dominictarr: substack: OMG WE'RE GONNA GET WASTEY IN IRELAND AGAIN
21:59:24  <AvianFlu>I DO SO ENJOY SUCH THIGNS
21:59:25  <LOUDBOT>I LEFT A WINDOWS XP CD ON THE SEAT OF MY CAR, SOMEONE BROKE IN AND LEFT 2 MORE
22:00:01  <dominictarr>AvianFlu: one week!
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22:03:49  <jesusabdullah>dangit why can't I get wastey in ireland
22:03:50  <jesusabdullah>:(
22:04:02  <jesusabdullah>That's it I'm getting baked in salt lake!
22:04:03  <jesusabdullah>TAKE THAT
22:04:04  <LOUDBOT>SIMCOPPITY I FOUND A MAILING LIST POST OF YOURS THANKS TO RINDOLF
22:04:48  <jesusabdullah>I BET YOU DID
22:04:48  <LOUDBOT>HAML MOTHERFUCKER
22:04:56  <jesusabdullah>JADE 4 LYFE
22:04:56  <LOUDBOT>DONT PISS ON MY RUG
22:05:10  <jesusabdullah>oh shit we got the wrong loudbot
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22:17:14  <hij1nx>AvianFlu: jesusabdullah: you both in ireland??! YAY!!
22:17:49  <hij1nx>jesusabdullah: why the hell not? :)
22:19:14  <chrisdickinson>mbalho: did you ever find a fix for https://github.com/maxogden/html5-video-loop-test ?
22:19:47  <hij1nx>chrisdickinson: hey, is there something like `jsgit pull origin master` that works?
22:20:32  <chrisdickinson>hij1nx: afaik, not yet. are you looking for proper merge behavior from `pull`?
22:20:39  <chrisdickinson>or just "make me a working directory"?
22:21:26  <AvianFlu>hij1nx: yep!
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22:24:55  <hij1nx>chrisdickinson: proper merge behavior :(
22:25:47  <chrisdickinson>hij1nx: i can't speak for creationix (especially in re: his milestones), but! merge is a bit more tricky than "working directory"
22:26:41  <chrisdickinson>so it might be a little while yet, unfortunately ):
22:27:32  <jesusabdullah>hij1nx: because money
22:27:37  <jesusabdullah>hij1nx: etc
22:27:43  <jesusabdullah>hij1nx: I just now got a reasonably well-paying job
22:28:26  <jesusabdullah>hij1nx: fingers crossed for cascadiajs talk
22:28:30  <creationix>chrisdickinson, hij1nx fast-forward-only-pull is part of milestone #1
22:28:56  <chrisdickinson>cool, yeah, ff-only is much easier than merges
22:29:17  <creationix>proper merge, cherry-pick and all that isn't till # 4
22:29:18  <creationix>https://gist.github.com/creationix/036c175d18a8a692a89d
22:29:53  <creationix>but finish git-browser (a mobile app) is also part of #1
22:29:58  <creationix>though that is getting much closer
22:30:01  <jesusabdullah>creationix: o/
22:31:47  <creationix>jesusabdullah, \o
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22:37:28  <jesusabdullah>it is indeed!
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22:48:04  <mbalho>chrisdickinson: serve it from a server that handlse range requests
22:48:23  <mbalho>chrisdickinson: e.g. gh-pages (aka fastly cdn)
22:48:35  <mbalho>chrisdickinson: i sent a test case to some browser people, dunno what happened
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22:52:17  <jesusabdullah>someone should make ecstatic handle range requests (not me)
22:53:22  <chrisdickinson>mbalho: hm, yeah. so the disturbing part is that it re-downloads the file over and over again
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