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| <ogd> | anyone know how to pass crlfs etc into process.argv? node -pe "process.argv[1].length" "\r\n" is the same length (4) as node -pe "process.argv[1].length" "\\r\\n" |
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| <grncdr> | ogd are you typing this stuff into a prompt? |
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| <grncdr> | or trying to pass it via childProcess.spawn etc |
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| <ogd> | yea |
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| <ogd> | prompt |
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| <ogd> | "\r\n" |
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| <mmalecki> | ogd: '\r\n' |
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| <ogd> | single quotes?? |
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| <mmalecki> | yeah, try that |
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| <ogd> | nah same thing |
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| <grncdr> | in a prompt ctrl-v followed by most non-printable characters works |
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| <ogd> | node -pe "process.argv[1].length" '\r\n' // 4 |
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| <grncdr> | for linefeeds, you can just hit enter after the quote |
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| <mmalecki> | there has to be an ascii code |
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| <grncdr> | but I guess if you need a \r, that might be different |
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| <ogd> | whoa |
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| <mmalecki> | ogd: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2991276/help-with-variables-and-new-lines-and-quoting-in-a-bash-script |
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| <grncdr> | er, I said non-printable, but I meant whitespace |
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| <mmalecki> | ogd: maybe try that with \r? |
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| <grncdr> | like tabs for example |
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| <grncdr> | oh right, I forgot about $'\n' |
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| <ogd> | i am making a command line csv parser api and want to make the line delimiter optional |
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| <grncdr> | the syntax that mmalecki linked is best for that |
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| <grncdr> | or possibly accepting a regex instead |
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| <pkrumins> | $'\r\n' usually |
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| <ogd> | hmm so dumb |
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| <pkrumins> | there are other ways too |
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| <pkrumins> | like $(echo -e \r\n) |
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| <pkrumins> | oh that didnt work |
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| <pkrumins> | never mind the echo example |
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| <grncdr> | pkrumins: I think the $() trims trailing newlines? |
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| <grncdr> | I like $'\r\n' personally |
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| <grncdr> | most readable by far |
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| <pkrumins> | grncdr: oh maybe |
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| <pkrumins> | echo -e '\r\n' |
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| <pkrumins> | this worked |
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| <pkrumins> | but yes $(echo -e '\r\n') didn't really work |
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| <defunctzombie> | substack: we need to make the browserify event emitter not pull in utils and Buffer shit |
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| <defunctzombie> | substack: meaning the EventEmitter shim that is |
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| <substack> | defunctzombie: https://github.com/alexgorbatchev/node-browser-builtins/pull/32 |
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| <defunctzombie> | did this land in browserify? |
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| <mikolalysenko> | jesusabdullah: this is why I now try to avoid using python |
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| <defunctzombie> | isaacs: "npm ls --depth 0" would be nice to see the "npm link" output if a module was symlinked |
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| <defunctzombie> | isaacs: this would be quite useful for a final sanity check during dev that all current deps are not symlinked ones |
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| <defunctzombie> | right now you only get the -> symlink with the regular "npm ls" |
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| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: yeah, --depth=0 is kind of annoying |
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| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: i'm not super happy with the way it works |
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| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: it'd be nice if it actually traversed those nodes, but just not the children |
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| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: you know what i mean? |
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| <isaacs> | like, the depth limit is at the wrong granularity or something |
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| <defunctzombie> | isaacs: also about to file an issue on "npm unlink" not working to unlink a globally linked module (if you don't know about that already) |
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| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: oh, ok |
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| <defunctzombie> | I don't follow |
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| <defunctzombie> | what do you mean traversed? |
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| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: well, if you have a->b->c, then depth=0 will show you a, but not tell you what a is |
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| <isaacs> | and depth=1 will show you b, but not tell you what b is |
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| <isaacs> | what i want is for it to read the package.json and shit for a, but not the children, when depth=0 |
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| <defunctzombie> | oh.. I didn't know depth=1 would do that |
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| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: it's just a number :) |
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| <defunctzombie> | I kinda assumed it would traverse into the tree |
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| <defunctzombie> | and show me all my deps and the immediate deps of those deps |
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| <defunctzombie> | in all honesty, I really only care about my deps when I do npm ls |
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| <defunctzombie> | at least for me that is the important case since my immediate deps are the ones I am working with… but maybe others like the tree thing |
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| <defunctzombie> | isaacs: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/4005 |
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| <defunctzombie> | isaacs: maybe no one else uses unlink haha, I just ran across this so even I don't use it that much |
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| <defunctzombie> | isaacs: as for the depth thing… the biggest use I have for "npm ls" is sanity checks |
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| <defunctzombie> | knowing what modules are extraneous |
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| <defunctzombie> | what modules are linked that I need to make sure I publish before publishing the dependent module |
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| <defunctzombie> | and things of that nature |
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| <defunctzombie> | generally this is only relevant for the immediate list of my dependencies |
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| <defunctzombie> | but that is just my take on it |
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| <grncdr> | substack: I think I might have been over-enthusiastic thinking that bashful could be used as a "suitable bash" for npm scripts |
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| <grncdr> | like it's probably good enough for 99% of the possible use cases, but there's going to be that 1% where it pisses off bash experts |
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| <kumavis> | pull-streams, eh |
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| <grncdr> | kumavis: I too would like to know more |
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| <substack> | grncdr: but when they get pissed off, they can send me a pull req to fix that messed up feature! |
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| <grncdr> | substack: :\ |
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| <grncdr> | so I was going to try and fix some stuff in shell-quote |
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| <grncdr> | the backslashes made my eyes bleed ;) |
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| <grncdr> | in particular there's a load of stupid quoting tricks that bash supports and shell-quote doesn't |
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| <grncdr> | such as "bl'ah"'yeah this is all one arg' |
| 05:36:29
| <grncdr> | also globbing |
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| <grncdr> | :\ |
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| <grncdr> | which is what got me on that track. I was going to add globbing support (in the same style as reading/writing files is done) but detecting whether an arg is actually a glob is non-trivial, and should probably be done in shell-quote |
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| <substack> | > require('./').parse('"bl\'ah"\'yeah this is all one arg\'').length |
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| <substack> | 1 |
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| <substack> | globbing is coupled to the file system though |
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| <grncdr> | yeah, I meant a bashful user should pass in a globber |
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| <grncdr> | like they pass reader/writer at the moment |
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| <grncdr> | substack, the output of parse is still wrong even if it's the right length |
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| <grncdr> | it should be "bl'ahyeah this is all one arg" |
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| <grncdr> | instead it keeps the extra quotes that aren't at the ends of the string |
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| <grncdr> | it actually keeps the single quote at the end as well |
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| <grncdr> | anyways, regarding globbing, what I meant is that shell-quote should parse a glob pattern as something special like it does for env variables |
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| <grncdr> | so that users of shell quote can get an object and say "oh that's a glob pattern" without having to (essentially) reparse the string |
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| <grncdr> | sorry, these are separate issues, and I should report them on github |
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| <substack> | that could work |
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| <substack> | like operators actually |
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| <grncdr> | I was going to be all cool like "here's a pull request with the fixes" but it was a bit much for me to get done on the train :P |
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| <grncdr> | sorry, yeah, like operators |
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| <substack> | well actually like env vars makes more sense |
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| <grncdr> | right env vars use a callback |
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| <grncdr> | operators come out as objects |
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| <grncdr> | I think... |
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| <substack> | but async |
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| <substack> | so hard to type with this much tlag |
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| <grncdr> | so async callback for globs? that's going to break your API quite a bit :( |
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| <grncdr> | I'd make the async globbing bit happen in bashful, after shellQuote.parse |
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| <grncdr> | so sq.parse() generates an object like {op: 'glob', pattern: '*.js'} (or something) and bashful looks at that and calls it's glob function to get the file list |
| 05:49:02
| <grncdr> | just because having shellQuote be entirely sync is quite nice right now |
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| <substack> | yay this other AP is way snappier |
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| <substack> | hooray for doing all this shit on the command line |
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| <grncdr> | :) |
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| <substack> | yeah probably an object like operators will work best |
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| <pkrumins> | substack: you up to fix bugs? |
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| <substack> | defunctzombie_zz: latest browserify has the util fix |
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| <substack> | juliangruber: https://github.com/juliangruber/level-fs/pull/1 |
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| <juliangruber> | substack :O |
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| <juliangruber> | gap - a generator friendly version of tap https://github.com/juliangruber/gap |
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| <spion> | juliangruber afaik generators are 0.11.2+ (but not in 0.11.0 and 0.11.1) |
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| <spion> | other than that, neat |
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| <mmalecki> | juliangruber: sup! |
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| <dominictarr> | hij1nx: hey, are you at sumptown? |
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| <ednapiranha> | hi visitors of portland! |
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| <ednapiranha> | dominictarr: ! |
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| <juliangruber> | spion: thanks, will fix |
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| <juliangruber> | mmalecki: sup dude! chilling in a retirement home |
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| <mmalecki> | juliangruber: not too much. you in Berlin? |
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| <juliangruber> | mmalecki: nope, currently in bavaria |
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| <spion> | juliangruber, why not gape though? :) |
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| <Raynos> | timoxley: graphics is on hold |
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| <spion> | also, strangely enough, I thought that the problem people have with promises was wrapping |
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| <Raynos> | timoxley: see https://github.com/Raynos/jsonml-stringify/tree/master/examples/todomvc for spiritial successor |
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| <spion> | but thunks seem to be gaining in popularity despite requiring the same |
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| <spion> | so if wrapping isn't the problem, I wonder, what do people see as the problem? |
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| <spion> | I mean promises let you do some really powerful stuff, like say http://spion.github.io/promise-nuggets/21-context-managers-transactions.html |
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| <dominictarr> | ednapiranha: whats up? |
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| <dominictarr> | hij1nx: ping? |
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| <robertkowalski> | wow |
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| <ogd> | dominictarr: come to mozilla! |
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| <ogd> | dominictarr: im there |
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| <dominictarr> | who are you ogd? |
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| <ogd> | dominictarr: max ogd en |
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| <dominictarr> | okay, cool |
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| <dominictarr> | where is mozilla? |
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| <ogd> | dominictarr: downtown, 1120 nw couch |
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| <ogd> | dominictarr: if you can provide an arrival time i can meet you out front |
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| <dominictarr> | couch st! how appropiate |
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| <dominictarr> | ogd: what is your phone num? |
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| <dominictarr> | ogd: cool, I'm at esri, I'll be over in 20 min |
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| <st_luke> | robertkowalski: why did dave's tests need to be merged in? tests weren't failing anymore on unix after the prior commits |
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| <dominictarr> | ogd: ednapira_ hey, I'm downstairs |
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| <dominictarr> | ogd: ednapira_ ping ping ping |
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| <ogd> | dominictarr: oh one sec |
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| <dominictarr> | sweet |
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| <jesusabdullah> | substack: it looks like tests pass and the commits look reasonable, but it's a big enough code delta I'd like a 2nd set of eyes. https://github.com/jesusabdullah/node-ecstatic/pull/87 Does this PR look sane to you? |
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| <robertkowalski> | st_luke: they fix a problem with [email protected] - but maybe i should fix the problem in npm-registry-mock |
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| <st_luke> | robertkowalski: was this a windows specific fix? |
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| <st_luke> | because I don't have any issues running npm tests without dave's commit |
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| <st_luke> | gonna go get lunch |
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| <robertkowalski> | st_luke: no, the fixes from dav are related to an updated npm-registry-mock |
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| <st_luke> | robertkowalski: do you get the test failures on unix if you don't include dave's commits? |
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| <st_luke> | I do not |
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| <robertkowalski> | st_luke: updated the PR, you were right, let's wait for some feedback from Domenic regarding windows. |
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| <st_luke> | robertkowalski: cool |
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| <st_luke> | I ran the tests on windows a few minutes ago and they still failed :( |
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| <st_luke> | I'm kind of putting off fixing it because it takes me 3x as long to do simple things on windows |
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| <st_luke> | Domenic_: what's the best current reference for es6 modules? |
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| <Domenic_> | st_luke: ugh. we are in a weird flux state where the syntax at least isn't written down very well anywhere. let me see if i can dig something up. |
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| <st_luke> | ok no rush |
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| <Domenic_> | yeah it's just annoying that there isn't something to point to, there really should be. |
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| <Domenic_> | it's like, this wiki page plus these comments in an esprima issue minus these comments in an es6-module-transpiler issue, with some attempt at capturing it in Mozilla's self-hosted loader implementation's repo, but that focuses more on the loader than the syntax so it's not a great reference... |
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| <st_luke> | Domenic_: sounds like a real headache to keep track of |
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| <st_luke> | Domenic_: I just bought es6modul.es so perhaps that can be pointed at a static GH page with up to date info from all the sources |
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| <Domenic_> | :O nice |
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| <defunctzombie> | why are es6 modules not just require(…) |
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| <defunctzombie> | seriously |
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| <defunctzombie> | engineers sure do love to engineer |
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| <st_luke> | too late for that discussion now, might as well not waste the energy on it |
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| <defunctzombie> | so what shitshow are we left with for modules? |
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| <mikolalysenko> | defunctzombie: I assume you've seen this thing: http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=harmony:modules |
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| <mikolalysenko> | I think it should be possible to interoperate between commonjs and es6 modules... |
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| <defunctzombie> | what a bunch of nonsense haha |
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| <defunctzombie> | I think I don't care |
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| <defunctzombie> | I will just use commonjs |
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| <defunctzombie> | and ignore es6 |
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| <mikolalysenko> | yeah... after they axed binary datatypes I really don't see the point anymore |
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| <mikolalysenko> | well, I guess there are a few things that are nice in es6, like weakmaps and generators |
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| <mikolalysenko> | but the rest of the stuff is just some miscellaneous syntactic sugar that doesn't really extend the capabilities or expressiveness of js in anyway |
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| <defunctzombie> | kinda getting that feeling too |
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| <mikolalysenko> | yeah, I mean destructuring and arrows are nice and all, and if they become standard I could see myself using them |
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| <mikolalysenko> | but it isn't worth it to me at least to revamp the whole language just for that bit of extra syntax |
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| <mikolalysenko> | and the classes stuff just looks pointless |
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| <mikolalysenko> | same with modules |
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| <mikolalysenko> | also there's all that string templating which is extremely silly imo |
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| <mikolalysenko> | es7 though has some really important and new features though, which I am kind of excited about |
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| <mikolalysenko> | as it gets closer to release we'll see how well it shapes up, but I really want to get value types and threads in js |
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| <mikolalysenko> | also simd |
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| <mikolalysenko> | if I were personally in charge, I'd skip es6 altogether and cut right to es7 |
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| <mikolalysenko> | and throw out the modules/classes and cut back the sugar |
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| <mikolalysenko> | basically if it lets you get fortran level performance in javascript it would be huger |
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| <mikolalysenko> | err huge |
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| <robertkowalski> | st_luke: which one with which message? |
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| <st_luke> | it was a shrinkwrap one, I'll test it out again once I can muster up the energy to turn my windows VM back on |
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| <robertkowalski> | ah |
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| <robertkowalski> | this is the bug which davs commits fixed |
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| <robertkowalski> | they should not brak with the npm-registry-mock defined in the package json (1.4.4) |
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| <juliangruber> | spion: might do that when harmony features are available in chrome :) but yeah, thought about that |
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| <dominictarr> | chrisdickinson: hey, do you have git push (server side) implemented yet? |
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| <ins0mnia> | dominictarr: still not lucking getting msgpack-js to play nice with mdm, I got it to work but mdm is not firing events |
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| <ins0mnia> | luck |
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| <ins0mnia> | client-side that is |
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| <ins0mnia> | (browser) |
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| <ins0mnia> | which makes me think if this is related to bops |
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| <dominictarr> | ins0mnia: did you get msgpack-js tests passing? |
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| <dominictarr> | in the browser? |
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| <ins0mnia> | dominictarr: still didn't get that |
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| <ins0mnia> | far |
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| <dominictarr> | hmm, does mux |
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| <dominictarr> | mdm work if it's just used node to node? |
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| <ins0mnia> | yeah |
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| <dominictarr> | right, so it's gotta be msgpack, or msgpack-stream |
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| <dominictarr> | I wouldn't expect it to work if the msgpack-js tests are failing, though. |
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| <ins0mnia> | dominictarr: basically, msgpack-js/mdm is not failing for me in the browser, client-server connection is being established, so what I'm gonna do now is take out mdm all together and see if if msgpack js is working |
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| <ins0mnia> | dominictarr: sorry I meant not throwing an errors |
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| <dominictarr> | sure |
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| <grncdr> | substack (and anybody else): I would appreciate a review and thumbs up/down for https://github.com/substack/bashful/issues/4 before I start hacking on a solution |
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| <defunctzombie> | http://copy.sh/v24/ |
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| <defunctzombie> | this is … impressive |
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| <defunctzombie> | to put it lightly |
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| <substack> | grncdr: wouldn't that fix be related to spawn() |
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| <substack> | see also: https://npmjs.org/package/pty.js |
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| <substack> | for making isTTY work |
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| <substack> | but the containing stream for bashful only needs to be input and output |
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| <substack> | stderr and other fds are internal to the execution model |
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| <ins0mnia> | dominictarr: so msgpack-js does actually work in the browser (donno why tests are failing in the repo) |
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| <ins0mnia> | dominictarr: a simple browserfied encode() decode() works |
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| <dominictarr> | hmm, it looks like it's just one test that is failing |
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| <ins0mnia> | dominictarr: yes |
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| <ins0mnia> | dominictarr: so now I guess I'm gonna narrow my hunt down to msgpack-stream |
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| <dominictarr> | cool |
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| <dominictarr> | http://hintjens.com/blog:66 |
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| <grncdr> | substack: I did not know about pty.js, that seems like it might be what I'm after |
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| <grncdr> | maybe... |
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| <defunctzombie> | substack: I know you ran into this a while back.. how do I tell the global http agent to turn off keep-alive? |
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| <mmckegg> | dominictarr: very cool article! |
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| <dominictarr> | mmckegg: yeah, super interesting! |
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| <grncdr> | the spawn callback still has no way of knowing whether or not bashful intends to pipe input into it from a pipe or pty, so it still makes more sense (to me) for bashful to construct the stdio array for the spawn call |
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| <grncdr> | pty.js doesn't really solve that part of the problem unless I'm missing something (likely) |
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| <mmckegg> | I'm speaking at the Node.js wellington meetup next Tuesday and it's given me the push to get a bunch of modules (re)written that I've wanted to do for ages. Nothing quite like impending doom for motivation. /cc chilts |