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01:40:04  <feross>hey thlorenz, defunctzombie, chrisdickinson: check it out https://github.com/feross/chrome-app-socket
01:40:11  <feross>it's all hooked up now :)
01:40:18  <chrisdickinson>nice!
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01:44:16  <defunctzombie>feross: nice
01:45:30  <defunctzombie>streams question: how do I know if a variable I have is a stream?
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01:49:33  <substack>defunctzombie: I do if (x && typeof x.pipe === 'function')
01:49:47  <defunctzombie>substack: gotcha
01:50:08  <defunctzombie>working on adding streaming view rendering to express
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02:45:46  <feross>anyone in the mission (SF) and want to get dinner in the next 20 minutes?
02:46:05  <feross>i'm at noisebridge right now
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16:26:02  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/11.0
16:30:53  <pkrumins>browserling now has ie11
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16:34:19  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: nice!
16:35:58  <pkrumins>now we need to get testling much more stable
16:36:27  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: I have recently been working on zuul: https://github.com/defunctzombie/zuul
16:36:38  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: would love to be able to add testling/browserling support one day :)
16:37:15  <pkrumins>can you run arbitrary js snippets in zuul?
16:37:28  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: in what sense?
16:37:36  <pkrumins>i mean have zuul run arbitrary js snippets in various browsers
16:37:42  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: technically yes
16:37:50  <pkrumins>like in the original testling
16:37:51  <defunctzombie>but it isn't currently designed specifically that way
16:38:33  <defunctzombie>mostly because saucelabs doesn't work that way and I was mostly focused on running tests in browsers
16:38:42  <defunctzombie>but running an arbitrary snippet isn't hard either
16:39:01  <pkrumins>i found an old tweet
16:39:09  <pkrumins>check this out
16:39:30  <pkrumins>and old tweet that led me to and old gist
16:39:34  <pkrumins>defunctzombie: https://gist.github.com/substack/1548949
16:39:42  <pkrumins>this was great in the old testling
16:39:50  <pkrumins>i want zuul to be able to do the same
16:40:01  <defunctzombie>absolutely!!
16:40:03  <defunctzombie>that would be awesome
16:40:14  <pkrumins>or i'll just bring the old testling back so anyone can run any js snippet
16:40:17  <pkrumins>and get output
16:40:21  <defunctzombie>heh
16:40:32  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: so right now the way zuul works
16:40:38  <defunctzombie>is you send saucelabs a url to open
16:40:52  <defunctzombie>then you can also eval code in the "browser" it openend the url in
16:41:00  <defunctzombie>the url part is important for testing stuff
16:41:09  <defunctzombie>since sometimes what you want to test isn't just all in the JS
16:41:17  <pkrumins>oic
16:41:17  <defunctzombie>but running arbitrary js would be cool too
16:41:31  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: for example
16:41:32  <defunctzombie>https://github.com/defunctzombie/zuul/tree/master/examples/ember_w_qunit
16:41:39  <defunctzombie>https://github.com/defunctzombie/zuul/blob/master/examples/ember_w_qunit/.zuul.yml
16:41:58  <defunctzombie>that also loads scripts and other things (like some html templates) into the test harness
16:42:08  <defunctzombie>which is needed for how some people like to test
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16:43:21  <defunctzombie>I think running arbitrary code in a browser would be really cool tho
16:43:35  <defunctzombie>was talking about this with the engine.io developer the other day
16:44:45  <pkrumins>aha i see
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16:45:01  <pkrumins>that is almost exactly the same as testling works
16:45:22  <pkrumins>that is testling-ci, the new testling
16:45:45  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: yes
16:46:16  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: the only reason I couldn't use testling currently was because it only works on github push hooks right now
16:46:28  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: and I needed a way to do stuff locally first
16:46:42  <defunctzombie>this is also a bit more flexible cause I can just continue to use travis
16:46:45  <pkrumins>you can test it with browserify and local testling though
16:46:49  <defunctzombie>and don't need to setup hooks in other things
16:46:51  <pkrumins>browserify stuff | testling
16:46:55  <pkrumins>doesn't need hooks
16:47:00  <pkrumins>but that only works locally!
16:47:03  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: not in other browsers
16:47:07  <pkrumins>oh! but soon it will work remotely too
16:47:10  <defunctzombie>and not with additional scripts
16:47:20  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: zuul lets me run tests in IE, firefox, etc
16:47:24  <defunctzombie>from my local machine too
16:47:35  <pkrumins>`testling` lets you do that too (command)
16:47:49  <pkrumins>oh right
16:47:50  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: really?
16:47:52  <pkrumins>this is great
16:47:55  <pkrumins>yes, i forgot
16:49:14  <defunctzombie>testing command did have input on some of hte features I put into zuul
16:49:47  <defunctzombie>but the most important stuff for me was to be able to easily test locally, then double check in cloud browsers, and finally tie that all in with travis
16:49:55  <defunctzombie>that way I can have all my CI in one place
16:50:41  <pkrumins>that's exactly what the testling command will do
16:51:04  <pkrumins>it currently runs tests in local browsers, but it will also run tests in the cloud browsers
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16:51:25  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: cool, when it does let me know and I will try to add support to zuul
16:51:30  <pkrumins>ok!
16:51:35  <defunctzombie>so a person can just pick which backend they want to use
16:52:20  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: the idea behind zuul is to mostly be backend and testing framework agnostic
16:52:55  <pkrumins>got it
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17:53:22  <williamcotton>yo jesusabdullah, you around?
17:53:40  <williamcotton>wondering if you it is possible to change the global var in browserify-cdn
17:54:00  <williamcotton>and sorry I'm not in RTFM mode, my brain is fried from Knockout :)
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21:23:45  <mikolalysenko>if anyone has a moment, please try making a shape on my nko entry: http://i-should-be-working.2013.nodeknockout.com/
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21:28:17  <mmalecki>what's the node knockout irc channel?
21:30:01  <mikolalysenko>mmalecki: #nodeknockout
21:30:26  <mmalecki>thanks
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22:25:34  <Raynos>whats that module that prints the size of your package.json in kbs
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22:39:37  <juliangruber>Raynos: fs.readFileSync(..).length/1024 ?
22:43:25  <Raynos>there was a nice gui for this
22:44:54  <Raynos>its called disc
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23:36:04  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: is there a way to make browserify not inline the sourcemap? but instead provide it separately?
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23:37:37  <substack>defunctzombie: nope
23:38:14  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: afterwards via convert-source-map
23:38:19  <thlorenz>or mold-source-map
23:38:53  <defunctzombie>substack: thlorenz: any desire to have such functionality?
23:39:17  <defunctzombie>seems like it would be good for cases where sourcemap could be served up only if needed
23:39:24  <thlorenz>sry in node-knockout - lets talk later
23:39:28  <defunctzombie>or for storing a sourcemap on disk separate from built file
23:39:31  <defunctzombie>hahaha
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23:47:43  <defunctzombie>omg
23:47:43  <defunctzombie>http://shoop-team.2013.nodeknockout.com/
23:47:47  <defunctzombie>this is brilliant!!
23:52:30  <Raynos>http://team-mad-science.2013.nodeknockout.com/\
23:53:07  <defunctzombie>Raynos: nothing loads
23:53:48  <Raynos>really ?
23:53:53  <Raynos>try http://team-mad-science.2013.nodeknockout.com/
23:54:01  <Raynos>without trailing \
23:54:16  <defunctzombie>yea that worked
23:54:23  <defunctzombie>hoyl jesus
23:54:26  <defunctzombie>write to my private repos?
23:54:33  <defunctzombie>no fucking way.. for a test app
23:55:27  <defunctzombie>sorry Raynos not gonna happen
23:56:10  <Raynos>meh
23:56:42  <Raynos>defunctzombie: its githubs fault
23:56:48  <defunctzombie>heh
23:56:49  <Raynos>we need to write to github public repos
23:56:55  <Raynos>which means public & private repo writing
23:57:05  <defunctzombie>I see
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23:59:33  <defunctzombie>node knockout site is offline
23:59:34  <defunctzombie>rofl