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00:11:41  <jesusabdullah>WELL THIS IS WEIRD
00:11:41  <LOUDBOT>WHERE ARE YOU MANG. I NEED MY BITCH HERE WITH ME.
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00:23:30  <jesusabdullah>Domenic_: I'm pretty close, I just need to shim out some request methods looks like
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00:33:46  <Domenic_>jesusabdullah: sounds weird! good luck!?
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00:34:21  <jesusabdullah>Domenic_: those errors are without any changes
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00:34:41  <Domenic_>jesusabdullah: oh i see. yes. your bucket is not starting empty, and also the 301 is some region-specific thing...
00:35:06  <jesusabdullah>so one of my not-so-us-west-2 buckets is probably actually a us-west-2 ?
00:35:16  <jesusabdullah>possibly?
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00:36:56  <jesusabdullah>Anyhoo, I'm preeeetty close to a PR
00:37:10  <jesusabdullah>though I suspect I'll need to iterate a little, shimming a request stream is kinda gnar
00:37:47  <Domenic_>i mean request could be a dev dependency, that's fine
00:38:17  <jesusabdullah>oh, not mikeal/request, instances of http.ClientRequest
00:38:31  <jesusabdullah>because in order to set the headers I have to delay actually making the request until the next tick
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00:39:39  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.57.103.135(free2)
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00:42:39  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 173.203.67.76(free3)
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01:01:24  <jesusabdullah>Domenic_: Does this look vaguely sane? Work-in-progress, making sure I'm not going in the wrong direction https://github.com/jesusabdullah/knox/compare/header-setting-pipe
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01:05:07  <Domenic_>jesusabdullah: uh, wow, I am surprised that level of complexity is necessary... seems bad...
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01:20:58  <mikolalysenko>this was posted on reddit today, but it has some neat ideas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA0Z7_4J7u8
01:21:29  <mikolalysenko>content is comparable to this: http://courses.csail.mit.edu/6.851/spring12/lectures/L16.html
01:21:36  <mikolalysenko>but he has an implementation in haskell
01:21:45  <mikolalysenko>some neat ideas for fast json/document parsing
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03:25:29  <mikolalysenko>mcollina: are you alright? you are toggling at a frequency of 0.009Hz
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04:17:18  <jesusabdullah>Domenic_: Yeah no joke
04:17:50  <jesusabdullah>Domenic_: I'm thinking if I really do need that shim then it's not worth the pr
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04:38:40  <jesusabdullah>Hey, you guys remember that old util function that we had before pipe? Was it util.pump or util.pumps?
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04:56:28  <defunctzombie>jesusabdullah: pump
04:56:35  <jesusabdullah>awesome
04:56:54  <jesusabdullah>var pump = require('httpump'); // ^__^
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10:39:56  <ins0mnia>is there any level module out there that can trigger an event whenever a key value has changed?
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10:45:48  <ins0mnia>actually nevermind levelup supports all that;)
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12:39:42  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.57.103.135(free2)
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12:42:42  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 173.203.67.76(free3)
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13:54:48  <mmalecki>dominictarr_: hey!
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15:16:43  <thlorenz>~9mins to install my deps and counting https://travis-ci.org/thlorenz/zuul-mp/jobs/13916876
15:16:45  <rowbit>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 9, free: 37]
15:17:26  <thlorenz>isaacs: do you have any updates on npm being slow today?
15:22:21  <substack>npmd!
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15:53:32  <defunctzombie>we should really find a way to start serving the actual npm downloads not from the same database
15:58:02  <substack>working on that
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15:58:34  <defunctzombie>would be pretty easy to put the actual files in s3 or some such
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16:00:45  <thlorenz>does anyone know a grid system that's not as monolithic as bootstrap or gumby?
16:01:08  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: why not just rip out the bootstrap one?
16:01:27  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: cuz I''m lazy and just wanna npm install stuff ;)
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16:01:43  <defunctzombie>it takes like 2 seconds haha
16:01:57  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: I actually just copied the less files to my repo
16:02:01  <defunctzombie>and have some less middleware
16:02:07  <defunctzombie>so I can use what I need from bootstrap stuff
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16:02:08  <thlorenz>ah, what about the js you need?
16:02:23  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: those too, I use like 3 or 4 of their files
16:02:34  <defunctzombie>and am slowly moving away towards modules
16:02:41  <thlorenz>ah, ok thanks will look into it
16:03:26  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: https://github.com/defunctzombie/node-lessish
16:03:30  <defunctzombie>I use that for the less files
16:03:42  <defunctzombie>gets the job done in my apps
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16:09:24  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: thanks
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16:41:43  <defunctzombie>seems the the aussi mirror does not have everything
16:47:54  <ogd>can someone do me a favor? clone https://github.com/timoxley/functional-javascript-workshop.git, cd into it, run npm install, then zip the folder up and email it as an attachment to [email protected] ? npm is really slow in europe
16:48:24  <ogd>then if you have time do https://github.com/rvagg/levelmeup and https://github.com/substack/stream-adventure, i already have learnyounode
16:49:04  <defunctzombie>ogd: use the aussie mirror
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16:54:42  <AvianFlu>ogd: the registry has been up and down all day
16:54:48  <AvianFlu>it's probably not your network
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17:14:59  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: what's the mirror url
17:16:45  <rowbit>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 8, free: 37]
17:17:26  <timoxley>ogd: still need that zip?
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17:20:18  <timoxley>thlorenz: http://npm.nodejs.org.au:5984/registry/_design/app/_rewrite
17:20:30  <thlorenz>timoxley: thanks
17:22:34  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: timoxley seems to hang too though :(
17:22:44  <timoxley>hm
17:23:08  <thlorenz>lets see, anyways for anyone else who needs this:
17:23:09  <thlorenz>alias aussie='npm --reg http://npm.nodejs.org.au:5984/registry/_design/app/_rewrite'
17:23:14  <thlorenz>aussie install ...
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17:23:37  <timoxley>the bot in the au node room is flipping out at the moment, it's possible that bot is on the same machine as the npm mirror
17:23:49  <mmalecki>I'm gonna start maintaining an european copy/
17:24:07  <thlorenz>mmalecki: nice! -- can't wait til it's up
17:24:26  <mmalecki>thlorenz: neither can I since all my installs are failing now
17:24:34  <timoxley>thlorenz mmalecki I'd like to get something going to make working with mirrors smooth https://github.com/deoxxa/npmrc/issues/2
17:24:51  <timoxley>^ for example. perhaps belongs in a different module.
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17:25:21  <mmalecki>timoxley: I think I know how to do this
17:25:28  <timoxley>o
17:25:30  <timoxley>oo
17:25:30  <mmalecki>timoxley: and I think I'll do that too
17:25:36  <timoxley>awesome
17:25:50  <mmalecki>timoxley: it's as simple as setting up a geo-aware DNS server
17:26:05  <mmalecki>of course, there are no such servers yet so this includes writing one
17:26:24  <mmalecki>still counts as simple?
17:26:38  <thlorenz>mmalecki: I guess you are looking at a "hen and the egg" problem ;)
17:27:02  <mmalecki>thlorenz: yeah, there goes my weekend
17:27:28  <mmalecki>which is good, since in Amsterdam my weekends have been... monothonic XD ?
17:27:58  <thlorenz>mmalecki: at least once you figure it out you can go around setting private registries for everyone -- make lotsa dough
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17:28:31  <mmalecki>it's pretty easy actually, just gets tricky sometimes
17:28:48  <mmalecki>couchdb replication is a lot trickier than it looks :/
17:29:39  <thlorenz>we have trouble with ours -- had it setup by third party (you know who) but it's a bit unstable
17:29:49  <thlorenz>so we are trying to do it ourselves now
17:31:04  <mmalecki>thlorenz: I can see that happening ;)
17:31:09  <mmalecki>thlorenz: ping me if you need help
17:31:25  <thlorenz>thanks, will do
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17:56:19  <ogd>timoxley: thanks a ton, can you possible do the other two? i still have crap network
17:56:32  <timoxley>np
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18:12:42  <timoxley>ogd: google not let me send executables in zips hence the extensions are cryptic codes
18:14:01  <st_luke>brianloveswords: the trackpad is the hardest part
18:14:19  <brianloveswords>st_luke: yeah, every non-apple computer I've used has such a terrible trackpad.
18:14:22  <st_luke>I think there are some nice high end windows laptops with decent trackpads but you end up paying more than you do for a mac
18:14:42  <brianloveswords>Ugh, yeah, that kinda defeats the purpose :/
18:15:11  <st_luke>as much as you pay the apple tax for unremarkable hardware at a premium, they really nail the interaction part
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18:30:37  <jesusabdullah>isaacs: You should move npm to a joyent box
18:30:45  <jesusabdullah>isaacs: this iris downtime crap sucks
18:33:02  <chapel>jesusabdullah: we use node/npm for various project here at walmart and every time there is an outage someone is complaining about it
18:33:21  <jesusabdullah>well yeah
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18:33:43  <jesusabdullah>and I mean, there should be a solution for private npm, still surprised nobody's done it right yet
18:33:54  <jesusabdullah>but in the meantime npm should have better uptime than it does right now
18:34:20  <chapel>eran hammer is working on a private npm solution
18:34:25  <chapel>for us at walmart
18:34:36  <thlorenz>chapel: is it gonna be open sourced?
18:34:39  <chapel>but its more focused on QA, and not on mirroring the whole thing
18:35:07  <chapel>thlorenz: no idea, I am not privy to that
18:35:13  <thlorenz>ok
18:35:20  <chapel>and it was only mentioned in the node.js at walmart talk last week
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18:39:43  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.57.103.135(free2)
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18:42:43  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 173.203.67.76(free3)
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18:51:11  <st_luke>defunctzombie: would you accept a patch on libxmljs for node v0.11.x compatibility?
18:51:19  <defunctzombie>st_luke: we have one
18:51:40  <defunctzombie>st_luke: https://github.com/polotek/libxmljs/pull/208
18:51:42  <st_luke>ah gotcha
18:51:44  <st_luke>just found it
18:51:53  <defunctzombie>just haven't merged it cause I have been waiting to get closer to 0.12
18:51:57  <defunctzombie>lest something else changes
18:52:08  <defunctzombie>I typically don't release until the stable version lands
18:52:37  <st_luke>ah gotcha
18:57:49  <creationix>alright, used js-linker to create a simple on-demand js compiler https://github.com/creationix/js-github/blob/master/server.js#L11-L15
18:58:51  <creationix>if file:// urls allowed xhr, I could have done it all client side using a self-compiled version of js-linker to bootstrao
18:58:54  <creationix>*bootstrap
18:59:00  <defunctzombie>creationix: what does/doesn't js-linker handler that browserify does?
18:59:13  <creationix>defunctzombie, mostly it's tiny
18:59:25  <defunctzombie>creationix: right.. but I mean.. what doesn't it do?
18:59:31  <creationix>I don't like pulling several megabytes of dependencies into every project
18:59:37  <creationix>it doesn't simulate any node APIs
18:59:44  <defunctzombie>creationix: because in browserify we can make multi bundles
18:59:44  <creationix>just the require system and the node_modules lookup pattern
18:59:51  <defunctzombie>creationix: which is a big thing I use
18:59:57  <creationix>yeah, it allows multi bundles I believe
19:00:25  <defunctzombie>creationix: how does it find require calls?
19:00:32  <creationix>I'm not entirely sure what those are in browwserify, but js-linker has https://github.com/creationix/js-linker#genjs
19:00:33  <defunctzombie>will it break if I have require in a string or comment?
19:00:51  <creationix>defunctzombie, no, it's a smart parser, it ignores string and comments
19:00:56  <creationix>I'm pretty good at writing parsers
19:01:13  <creationix>here is the require scanner https://github.com/creationix/js-linker/blob/master/mine.js
19:01:40  <defunctzombie>creationix: multi bundles allow me to package up requires in one bundle and then pass that bundle to another bundle so that the second bundle does not include any of the files/requires from the first
19:02:02  <creationix>ok, so I almost have that
19:02:02  <defunctzombie>I use this to do things like a base.js file which contains modules I use on several pages
19:02:08  <defunctzombie>and then a per page app.js or whatnot
19:02:08  <creationix>it wouldn't be very hard to add
19:02:33  <defunctzombie>that way my file sizes are smaller for the app pages for caching reasons
19:02:46  <creationix>right, I was thinking this morning about how to implement that
19:02:52  <creationix>but I don't need it yet, so I haven't made it yet
19:03:01  <defunctzombie>creationix: mine should be a module :)
19:03:24  <defunctzombie>creationix: a few other things we do in browserify that you might want to note
19:03:28  <creationix>it's a module, just part of the js-linker package ;)
19:03:53  <defunctzombie>deduplicate identical file data
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19:04:23  <creationix>defunctzombie, I was planning on adding a path munger that did git-style sha1 hash of the content and used that as the key
19:04:28  <creationix>I'm rewriting the require paths anyway
19:04:32  <defunctzombie>yea
19:04:35  <defunctzombie>we do something like that
19:04:40  <defunctzombie>md5 iirc but yea
19:04:45  <defunctzombie>and we only use the first 5 or 6 chars
19:04:49  <defunctzombie>to keep sizes small
19:04:52  <creationix>I have another prototype that just assigns each module an index starting at 0
19:04:56  <defunctzombie>yes
19:04:57  <creationix>require(3)
19:04:58  <defunctzombie>we also do that
19:05:00  <defunctzombie>oo
19:05:04  <creationix>and the defs is just a normal array
19:05:04  <defunctzombie>we don't do that part
19:05:07  <creationix>compresses nicly
19:05:21  <defunctzombie>we don't change the source code of the module
19:05:31  <defunctzombie>but do map the require strings to numbers
19:05:32  <creationix>you pass in a custom require like node does right?
19:05:50  <defunctzombie>?
19:05:56  <defunctzombie>yea, the require function is very very small
19:05:59  <defunctzombie>also important
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19:06:26  <creationix>js-linker exposes it's internal modules so that you could write a custom gen.js to do whatever you wanted
19:06:40  <creationix>it's gen.js that does the rewrite and inject module and exports
19:07:13  <creationix>so the nice thing about this over browserify is it's easily self-compiling so that you can run it in a browser
19:07:17  <creationix>and super tiny
19:07:36  <defunctzombie>that is cool
19:07:37  <defunctzombie>https://github.com/substack/browser-pack/blob/master/prelude.js
19:07:41  <defunctzombie>that is the prelude iirc
19:07:45  <defunctzombie>minified it is very tiny
19:08:10  <defunctzombie>and browserify output uses the umd module too irc
19:08:22  <creationix>here is my custom require https://github.com/creationix/js-linker/blob/master/gen.js#L63-L75
19:08:23  <defunctzombie>so we can make standalone builds
19:08:27  <defunctzombie>for people to try in script tags
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19:08:43  <creationix>yeah, again why I made the code generation step seperate
19:08:55  <creationix>people have lots of different requirements and opinions on how that should be packaged
19:09:12  <creationix>but generally, that's the easy part. It's the async searching that's tricky
19:09:30  <defunctzombie>creationix: if you can match the packing size of browserify but do it faster that would be cool
19:09:52  <creationix>I expect it to be faster
19:10:16  <creationix>and by rewriting requires and using numerical offsets, it should pack very tiny
19:10:45  <defunctzombie>it might be interesting to see if your thing can output the json here
19:10:46  <defunctzombie>https://github.com/substack/browser-pack
19:10:57  <defunctzombie>then you can just reuse a lot of final packing stuff
19:11:20  <creationix>the output of link.js is a lot like that
19:11:28  <creationix>it could be converted to match pretty easily
19:11:32  <defunctzombie>nice
19:11:52  <creationix>I also include the offsets of all the require calls in deps so that they can be rewritten if you wish
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19:14:07  <creationix>defunctzombie, the thing I'll need to add is a way to override the "node_modules" style lookup externally
19:14:23  <creationix>in tedit, my deps will be other git repos, not nested node_modules folders within my own tree
19:14:33  <defunctzombie>I think it would be awesome if node_modules path was configurable actually
19:14:50  <defunctzombie>cause then you could package components or any of the other places people install client side js shit
19:14:53  <creationix>I *could* do all that through the existing loader function by matching and rewriting paths, but I'm trying to find a cleaner method
19:15:21  <defunctzombie>creationix: for browserify stuff, most of that work would be in the browser-resolve module
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19:15:37  <defunctzombie>it is what does all the lookup logic so other things don't have to know about node_modules, etc
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19:21:51  <creationix>defunctzombie, I might just make this function injectable https://github.com/creationix/js-linker/blob/master/link.js#L95-L120
19:21:57  <creationix>but it needs a way to update the aliases list
19:22:17  <creationix>I guess it could just return the new path as well as new aliases
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19:34:31  <isaacs>jesusabdullah: hosting npmjs on joyent would be worse
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19:34:41  <isaacs>jesusabdullah: for latency, which leads to downtime
19:35:01  <isaacs>jesusabdullah: jitsu's got it on dedicated hardware on softlayer, running on very fast SSDs
19:37:49  <defunctzombie>isaacs: how much horsepower does it take to run?
19:37:55  <defunctzombie>isaacs: like bandwidth in/out
19:38:08  <defunctzombie>ram requirements and disk size
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20:10:30  <tilgovi>substack: I have this PR open on browser-pack / node-browserify, but I want to run a simpler fix by you.
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20:10:59  <tilgovi>what if we just .trim() the UMD wrapper so that it doesn't introduce a new line to the source
20:11:33  <tilgovi>existing source maps for the modules will not be affected, meaning there's no need to make browser-pack --standalone aware and no need to further muck with source maps in browserify either
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20:12:05  <tilgovi>(to refresh: the --standalone and --debug option results in an off-by-one for the source map generated line numbers)
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20:22:29  <st_luke>sounds like everyone has a great solution to npm woes
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20:37:41  <defunctzombie>st_luke: absolutely
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20:41:57  <defunctzombie>st_luke: not even sure there is a good solution to make everyone happy here
20:42:25  <defunctzombie>st_luke: isaacs mentioned the replication concerns for those currently replicating and that certainly makes it tricky to move to anything new
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20:57:16  <st_luke>really sorry this amazingly popular thing that grows like nothing else and is used by hundreds of thousands of people at the same time does not work flawlessly
20:57:32  <st_luke>this thing that is ran on free servers by volunteers
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21:32:43  <tim_smart>substack: Are you using seaport in production?
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22:05:57  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: NOOO :( https://github.com/defunctzombie/zuul/blob/master/lib/control-app.js#L37
22:06:15  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: what should it be?
22:06:17  <thlorenz>you mean I can't set bundle opts? how can I turn on sourcemaps?
22:06:27  <defunctzombie>we can turn them on by default if you want
22:06:37  <thlorenz>or have me pass in bundle opts?
22:06:37  <defunctzombie>I didn't have a strong opinion when I was refactoring it
22:06:51  <defunctzombie>via the API maybe, but really end users don't care
22:06:56  <defunctzombie>we should just enable sourcemaps
22:06:58  <defunctzombie>and have it work
22:07:04  <thlorenz>ok I'll do a PR
22:07:06  <defunctzombie>if that is really the only thing being talked about
22:07:26  <defunctzombie>no point it exposing some crazy configuration if all you really want is just sourcemaps on :)
22:07:33  <thlorenz>well there are other opts like includeGlobals, etc
22:07:40  <defunctzombie>on by default iirc
22:07:45  <thlorenz>but I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get there
22:07:48  <defunctzombie>yea
22:07:59  <defunctzombie>I imagine for 100% of the use cases no one will care actually
22:08:07  <defunctzombie>if it just does the most common thing and works
22:08:20  <defunctzombie>I have no heat in my apartment
22:08:27  <defunctzombie>this makes it really hard to focus :(
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22:08:59  <thlorenz>wow that sucks, but is very fitting for doing node
22:09:18  <thlorenz>I heard Ryan wrote node in a cold apartment in Chile sitting in bed to stay warm
22:09:35  <defunctzombie>haha
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22:12:51  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: https://github.com/defunctzombie/zuul/pull/13
22:13:26  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: can you remove your forced version bump :p
22:13:35  <defunctzombie>I am gonna patch level it
22:13:42  <defunctzombie>cause no one cares
22:13:50  <thlorenz>ok
22:15:33  <thlorenz>done
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22:16:45  <rowbit>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 0, free: 34]
22:16:59  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: published 1.0.3
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22:19:27  <thlorenz>thanks
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