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08:11:11  <substack>now it's properly noisy
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14:20:26  <substack>woot
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16:16:00  <dominictarr_>isaacs, hey, does npm have a config to look in a given users ~ ?
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16:32:21  <jesusabdullah>hey levelbros, can I have two processes **reading** off the same level (only one does writes) ?
16:32:27  <jesusabdullah>dominictarr_: you level ^^
16:32:44  <jesusabdullah>dominictarr_: also I got like a jillion questions about scuttlebutts I've been hacking on them p. hard
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16:38:40  <jesusabdullah>all by myseeeeelllllfffffff
16:38:46  <jesusabdullah>all byyyyy myyyy seellllllffffffff
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16:42:52  <brycebaril>jesusabdullah: lol
16:43:14  <AvianFlu>jesusabdullah: LOLOLOLOL
16:43:31  <brycebaril>jesusabdullah: I've not done multi-proc reading from the same leveldb, it *might* be ok. You might have more luck in ##leveldb
16:43:39  <dominictarr_>jesusabdullah, if you want to connect two processes to a level instance you need to use multilevel or similar
16:44:31  <brycebaril>brycebaril dominictarr_ I feel like kenansulayman chose the sofia levelDOWN for multi-proc access of some sort
16:44:53  <brycebaril>but memory is fuzzy
16:45:27  <brycebaril>(maybe LMDB?)
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16:54:58  <jesusabdullah>dominictarr_: even if I'm only doing reads?
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17:03:00  <jesusabdullah>Does dnode still have the memory leak issues it had like 18 mo ago? <_<;
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17:18:17  <isaacs>dominictarr_: look in a given users ~ for what?
17:18:45  <isaacs>dominictarr_: there's settings for --prefix, --cache, --userconfig, etc. also, you can just set the HOME environ
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17:31:46  <jesusabdullah>dominictarr_: How does level-scuttlebutt work? On a high level?
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17:34:36  <grncdr>jesusabdullah: you mean the way callbacks could leak?
17:35:07  <jesusabdullah>grncdr: no, I mean, I'm interested in implementing more persistence backends for scuttlebutts
17:35:27  <grncdr>jesusabdullah: I was referring to your earlier dnode question sorry
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17:35:46  <grncdr>I'm not sure if you are too and I'm just not getting it
17:35:49  <jesusabdullah>Yeah, I think that issue?
17:35:58  <jesusabdullah>or, used to be?
17:36:02  <grncdr>the deal with that one is you have to work around it manually
17:36:07  <grncdr>distributed GC is hard ;)
17:36:15  <substack>jesusabdullah: dnode hasn't had that issue since it started using `weak`
17:36:18  <jesusabdullah>oh, naw, it was more differents
17:36:22  <grncdr>ooooh
17:36:36  <jesusabdullah>yeah, that was my question substack, I knew there was a way to fix it, couldn't remember if you rolled in weak or not :)
17:37:00  <jesusabdullah>substack: thx brah
17:37:04  <grncdr>substack: so you no longer need to assign .count on callbacks?
17:37:12  <grncdr>or whatever it was (it's been a while)
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17:47:51  <jesusabdullah>reminder: weird song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=617ANIA5Rqs
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18:31:58  <defunctzombie>isaacs: if I have a module installed with the same name as a core module, that module is not loaded
18:32:11  <defunctzombie>isaacs: when I do require(...);
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19:00:49  <isaacs>defunctzombie: correct. put a '/' at the end
19:00:56  <isaacs>defunctzombie: that's the trick :)
19:01:01  <defunctzombie>isaacs: ahh interesting
19:01:02  <isaacs>defunctzombie: require('http/')
19:01:07  <isaacs>defunctzombie: unintentional workaround :)
19:01:08  <defunctzombie>isaacs: can we fix it to not have a trick?
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19:01:11  <defunctzombie>haha
19:01:15  <isaacs>defunctzombie: no, sorry
19:01:21  <defunctzombie>substack: https://npmjs.org/package/util https://npmjs.org/package/assert
19:01:23  <defunctzombie>isaacs: bummer
19:01:31  <defunctzombie>substack: all modules on NPM!!
19:01:37  <isaacs>defunctzombie: otherwise it's too easy to fuck over someone's code by loading some random thing when they expect the core module.
19:01:46  <defunctzombie>heh
19:01:47  <isaacs>defunctzombie: and then now you're in a position where you need a trick to load the CORE module
19:01:54  <isaacs>defunctzombie: or say "i DONT work with xyz version whatever"
19:02:07  <isaacs>defunctzombie: that's why we're super cautious about adding new core modules.
19:02:17  <isaacs>defunctzombie: well, one reason :)
19:02:21  <defunctzombie>sure
19:02:31  <defunctzombie>the other being that using modules from npm is super easy
19:02:38  <defunctzombie>and they can be versioned much better
19:04:31  <defunctzombie>isaacs: I have lofty goal of putting the useful node modules on npm haha
19:04:34  <defunctzombie>under their same names
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20:57:32  <mikolalysenko>augh! I can't wait until this prelim is done so I can start hacking on fun things again...
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21:42:16  <jesusabdullah>I'm pretty happy with myself
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22:30:57  <st_luke>all, please consider emailing the IETF to object to them diverging their definition of JSON from the normative specification: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-json-rfc4627bis/
22:31:27  <st_luke>JSON was recently split out from ECMA-262 and put into its own standard, ECMA-404
22:32:10  <ogd>st_luke: by 2015 you will be the next crockford
22:32:11  <st_luke>the IETF is adding what are non-normative features and plan on using their divergent standard as the new specification for application/json media type
22:32:58  <st_luke>ogd: there's a good chance I will age enough in the next 2 years that I will look like him by then
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22:52:36  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: what does non-normative mean, and how do I figure out what's divergent?
22:54:38  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: ECMA-404 is the normative JSON standard (it used to be included in ECMA-262 which is the ES standard, but was split into its own recently)
22:55:23  <jesusabdullah>so IETF would be specifying its own standard instead of referring people to ECMA-404?
22:55:27  <jesusabdullah>Why bother?
22:55:35  <jesusabdullah>and are there differences between the specs?
22:56:07  <st_luke>sorry, I should have said not normative instead of non-normative
22:56:28  <st_luke>non-normative means something specifically different
22:56:58  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: there are grammatical differences in what IETF is defining in their own, in section 1.2 here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-json-rfc4627bis/?include_text=1
22:57:22  <jesusabdullah>is there something I can ctrl-f here?
22:59:02  <jesusabdullah>It looks like this is a revision of a spec IETF already has?
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23:00:04  <jesusabdullah>It looks like the major difference between the specs are that the ietf one requires object or array literals, while the ecma spec allows standalone values
23:00:18  <jesusabdullah>and that this difference is already true
23:00:21  <jesusabdullah>Am I wrong?
23:03:29  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: there are 4 specs to consider here
23:04:12  <st_luke>ECMA-262, IETF RFC 4627, ECMA-404 and IETF RFC 4627bis Draft 7
23:04:50  <st_luke>JSON was removed from ECMA-262 recently and moved to ECMA-404
23:05:10  <st_luke>IETF's RFC 4627 currently defines JSON according to how it is in ECMA-404
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23:06:34  <st_luke>which is different from how it is defined in ecmascript 5.1
23:07:58  <AvianFlu>st_luke: so how much code are these assholes gonna break
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23:19:17  <jesusabdullah>so we'd like 4627bis to sync with ecma 5.1?
23:19:21  <jesusabdullah>and what about 404?
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