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| <dominictarr_> | isaacs, hey, does npm have a config to look in a given users ~ ? |
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| <dominictarr_> | (when running as root?) |
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| <jesusabdullah> | hey levelbros, can I have two processes **reading** off the same level (only one does writes) ? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | dominictarr_: you level ^^ |
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| <jesusabdullah> | dominictarr_: also I got like a jillion questions about scuttlebutts I've been hacking on them p. hard |
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| <jesusabdullah> | all by myseeeeelllllfffffff |
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| <jesusabdullah> | all byyyyy myyyy seellllllffffffff |
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| <brycebaril> | jesusabdullah: lol |
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| <brycebaril> | jesusabdullah: I've not done multi-proc reading from the same leveldb, it *might* be ok. You might have more luck in ##leveldb |
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| <dominictarr_> | jesusabdullah, if you want to connect two processes to a level instance you need to use multilevel or similar |
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| <brycebaril> | brycebaril dominictarr_ I feel like kenansulayman chose the sofia levelDOWN for multi-proc access of some sort |
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| <brycebaril> | but memory is fuzzy |
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| <brycebaril> | (maybe LMDB?) |
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| <jesusabdullah> | dominictarr_: even if I'm only doing reads? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | Does dnode still have the memory leak issues it had like 18 mo ago? <_<; |
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| <isaacs> | dominictarr_: look in a given users ~ for what? |
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| <isaacs> | dominictarr_: there's settings for --prefix, --cache, --userconfig, etc. also, you can just set the HOME environ |
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| <jesusabdullah> | dominictarr_: How does level-scuttlebutt work? On a high level? |
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| <grncdr> | jesusabdullah: you mean the way callbacks could leak? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | grncdr: no, I mean, I'm interested in implementing more persistence backends for scuttlebutts |
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| <grncdr> | jesusabdullah: I was referring to your earlier dnode question sorry |
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| <grncdr> | I'm not sure if you are too and I'm just not getting it |
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| <jesusabdullah> | Yeah, I think that issue? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | or, used to be? |
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| <grncdr> | the deal with that one is you have to work around it manually |
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| <grncdr> | distributed GC is hard ;) |
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| <substack> | jesusabdullah: dnode hasn't had that issue since it started using `weak` |
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| <jesusabdullah> | oh, naw, it was more differents |
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| <grncdr> | ooooh |
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| <jesusabdullah> | yeah, that was my question substack, I knew there was a way to fix it, couldn't remember if you rolled in weak or not :) |
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| <jesusabdullah> | substack: thx brah |
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| <grncdr> | substack: so you no longer need to assign .count on callbacks? |
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| <grncdr> | or whatever it was (it's been a while) |
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| <jesusabdullah> | reminder: weird song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=617ANIA5Rqs |
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| <defunctzombie> | isaacs: if I have a module installed with the same name as a core module, that module is not loaded |
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| <defunctzombie> | isaacs: when I do require(...); |
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| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: correct. put a '/' at the end |
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| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: that's the trick :) |
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| <defunctzombie> | isaacs: ahh interesting |
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| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: require('http/') |
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| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: unintentional workaround :) |
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| <defunctzombie> | isaacs: can we fix it to not have a trick? |
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| <defunctzombie> | haha |
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| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: no, sorry |
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| <defunctzombie> | substack: https://npmjs.org/package/util https://npmjs.org/package/assert |
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| <defunctzombie> | isaacs: bummer |
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| <defunctzombie> | substack: all modules on NPM!! |
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| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: otherwise it's too easy to fuck over someone's code by loading some random thing when they expect the core module. |
| 19:01:46
| <defunctzombie> | heh |
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| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: and then now you're in a position where you need a trick to load the CORE module |
| 19:01:54
| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: or say "i DONT work with xyz version whatever" |
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| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: that's why we're super cautious about adding new core modules. |
| 19:02:17
| <isaacs> | defunctzombie: well, one reason :) |
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| <defunctzombie> | sure |
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| <defunctzombie> | the other being that using modules from npm is super easy |
| 19:02:38
| <defunctzombie> | and they can be versioned much better |
| 19:04:31
| <defunctzombie> | isaacs: I have lofty goal of putting the useful node modules on npm haha |
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| <defunctzombie> | under their same names |
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| <st_luke> | all, please consider emailing the IETF to object to them diverging their definition of JSON from the normative specification: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-json-rfc4627bis/ |
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| <st_luke> | JSON was recently split out from ECMA-262 and put into its own standard, ECMA-404 |
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| <ogd> | st_luke: by 2015 you will be the next crockford |
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| <st_luke> | the IETF is adding what are non-normative features and plan on using their divergent standard as the new specification for application/json media type |
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| <st_luke> | ogd: there's a good chance I will age enough in the next 2 years that I will look like him by then |
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| <jesusabdullah> | st_luke: what does non-normative mean, and how do I figure out what's divergent? |
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| <st_luke> | jesusabdullah: ECMA-404 is the normative JSON standard (it used to be included in ECMA-262 which is the ES standard, but was split into its own recently) |
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| <jesusabdullah> | so IETF would be specifying its own standard instead of referring people to ECMA-404? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | Why bother? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | and are there differences between the specs? |
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| <st_luke> | sorry, I should have said not normative instead of non-normative |
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| <st_luke> | non-normative means something specifically different |
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| <st_luke> | jesusabdullah: there are grammatical differences in what IETF is defining in their own, in section 1.2 here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-json-rfc4627bis/?include_text=1 |
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| <jesusabdullah> | is there something I can ctrl-f here? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | It looks like this is a revision of a spec IETF already has? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | It looks like the major difference between the specs are that the ietf one requires object or array literals, while the ecma spec allows standalone values |
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| <jesusabdullah> | and that this difference is already true |
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| <jesusabdullah> | Am I wrong? |
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| <st_luke> | jesusabdullah: there are 4 specs to consider here |
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| <st_luke> | ECMA-262, IETF RFC 4627, ECMA-404 and IETF RFC 4627bis Draft 7 |
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| <st_luke> | JSON was removed from ECMA-262 recently and moved to ECMA-404 |
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| <st_luke> | IETF's RFC 4627 currently defines JSON according to how it is in ECMA-404 |
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| <st_luke> | which is different from how it is defined in ecmascript 5.1 |
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| <AvianFlu> | st_luke: so how much code are these assholes gonna break |
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| <jesusabdullah> | so we'd like 4627bis to sync with ecma 5.1? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | and what about 404? |
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