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00:49:26  <ogd_>brianloveswords: on tables without an 'id' column when i do table.createReadStream() it does Error: SQLITE_ERROR: no such column: id
00:51:25  <ogd_>brianloveswords: would you consider that a bug or should people always pass in a primaryKey in the definition
00:52:49  <feross>substack: can we update the version of browser-builtins that browserify uses to 3.0.0?
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00:54:08  <ogd_>brianloveswords: or is it possible to do a createReadStream without a primary key?
00:54:23  <feross>substack: first step, https://github.com/substack/insert-module-globals/pull/20 needs to be merged and the package version bumped, then i can send a PR to update browserify's package.json
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01:01:02  <substack>feross: I've already begun ripping out browser-builtins in favor of inlining the included files directly in browserify
01:01:10  <substack>so we have tigher control over the dependencies when they update
01:01:36  <substack>the newest 3.0 branch also already uses native-browserify-buffer
01:01:45  <substack>I just have 3 tests that are failing I need to fix before it goes live
01:01:59  <feross>substack: sweet, will check the branch out and see if i can help with the failing tests
01:02:22  <feross>on node 0.10 I had to pass Uint8Array and DataView into the vm context manually
01:02:34  <substack>yeah I was running into the same kind of issues
01:02:47  <substack>a bit busy right now but I'll push my branch later tonight
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01:10:42  <feross>substack: cool, i'll look for that 3.0 branch later tonight and help with the buffer-related test failures
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04:19:28  <brianloveswords>ogd_: ahhh yeah, it assumes if there's no primaryKey passed in that the primaryKey is "id"
04:19:58  <brianloveswords>ogd_: file a bug for it and I'll think about it!
04:20:56  <jesusabdullah>uuuuuugh substack's floor did a serious number on my back
04:21:12  <brianloveswords>haha I've spent a night on that floor jesusabdullah
04:21:38  <jesusabdullah>I'm getting OLD brianloveswords
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04:22:13  <brianloveswords>ogd_: sorry about some of the bugs you've been running into!
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04:22:23  <brianloveswords>OLD MAN JESUS
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07:08:51  <dominictarr_>juliangruber, question: can level-fs do globs?
07:09:00  <dominictarr_>timoxley, yo
07:09:17  <timoxley>dominictarr_: hello.
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07:10:42  <dominictarr_>so, this paths/sublevel thing
07:10:57  <dominictarr_>I think you want a different thing to sublevel for this
07:11:16  <dominictarr_>like, sublevel is mostly trying to keep to this abstraction of isolated, but nested databases.
07:11:35  <dominictarr_>because that makes implementing indexes easy
07:11:49  <dominictarr_>but I think your case is a different thing, and wants a different module
07:12:04  <dominictarr_>like, the isolation isn't so important here
07:12:15  <timoxley>dominictarr_: possibly. I kinda just want some sugar around setting the start and end of a createReadStream
07:12:24  <dominictarr_>what is important, though, in your case
07:12:39  <dominictarr_>is indexing into any point in the hierachy
07:13:09  <dominictarr_>like, this module might help https://github.com/stagas/level-path
07:13:33  <dominictarr_>maybe, maybe not
07:13:42  <dominictarr_>fs paths are a little less structured
07:14:08  <dominictarr_>but here, you have a thing where you have different groups
07:14:19  <dominictarr_>like: ./code/levelup/*
07:14:22  <timoxley>dominictarr_: I'm really just trying to figure a way to use the pattern of
07:14:28  <timoxley>get(key).pipe()
07:14:28  <dominictarr_>means you wnat everything at that level
07:15:02  <dominictarr_>fsDb.ls('./code/levelup/*').pipe(ux) ?
07:15:29  <timoxley>dominictarr_: oh, not jsut for this usecase
07:15:40  <timoxley>but yeah something like that
07:16:31  <dominictarr_>of course, there are other things that can be described like a file tree
07:16:54  <dominictarr_>if that is the right idea
07:16:59  <dominictarr_>what is your other usecase?
07:19:25  <ehd>dominictarr_: trying the updated crdt simple example from master and fresh modules, but not seeing pings being distributed
07:22:41  <timoxley>dominictarr_: similar thing, in this case user supplies a url, which should kick off a stream of json blobs, updates come in asynchronously.
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07:40:09  <dominictarr_>timoxley, but what does the data represent?
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07:40:55  <dominictarr_>if you tell me what the data represents I can immediatly know many more details of your usecase
07:41:38  <timoxley>dominictarr_: diffs
07:41:41  <timoxley>object diffs
07:42:10  <dominictarr_>does this still have a heirachical structure like the file system?
07:42:17  <dominictarr_>what are you diffing?
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07:47:52  <dominictarr_>right!
07:48:29  <dominictarr_>timoxley, it helps sooooo much if you say what you are trying to do.
07:48:53  <timoxley>ha
07:49:05  <dominictarr_>since I already know quite a lot about the fs and the dom, I can apply all that knowlenge to understanding your problem
07:49:05  <timoxley>dominictarr_: correct
07:49:14  <timoxley>sorry!
07:49:52  <dominictarr_>but if you just say I need to create sublevels from the client, there could be other ways to solve your problem that are better
07:49:56  <timoxley>yep
07:50:05  <dominictarr_>but I don't know that, because I don't know what your problem is
07:50:09  <timoxley>+1
07:50:30  <dominictarr_>I'm just going on at length about this, because you've gotta help me get everyone to explain what their problem is better
07:55:01  <dominictarr_>timoxley, how do you create the paths for the dom heirachy?
07:56:19  <timoxley>dominictarr_: at the moment something along these lines https://github.com/timoxley/css-path/blob/master/index.js
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07:57:14  <timoxley>dominictarr_: just generates an absolute path e.g. body > div.page:nth-child(1) > ul.list:nth-child(2) > li:nth-child(1)
07:58:49  <dominictarr_>but what does the path look like as a string?
08:00:27  <dominictarr_>oh, I gotta go. I'll be back on line in a bit!
08:00:50  <timoxley>dominictarr_: it looks just like that… but with quotes around it.
08:01:04  <timoxley>haha, I'm not sure what you're asking
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08:55:51  <creationix>spion, yeah, I wish the API would tell me what the event type was
08:55:54  <creationix>it knows it already
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10:17:48  <mmalecki>ARE YOU REAL?!
10:17:48  <LOUDBOT>GOOD MORNING FELLOW NON-SMOKERS
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10:28:43  <grncdr>ogd_: https://npmjs.org/package/db-reflect
10:30:13  <grncdr>brianloveswords: would you be into a PR that makes streamsql use any-db?
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11:11:43  <juliangruber>dominictarr_: you mean could level-fs be used with a glob matching library?
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13:53:17  <dominictarr_>insertcoffee, houdy
13:53:22  <insertcoffee>howzit
13:53:27  <insertcoffee>hey, I had a kinda crazy idea last night about functional programming in bash
13:53:34  <insertcoffee>and had a bit of a play around
13:53:37  <insertcoffee>made this I had a kinda crazy idea last night about functional programming in bash
13:53:38  <dominictarr_>oh no, here we go
13:53:48  <insertcoffee>* made this https://gist.github.com/missinglink/7800267
13:53:50  <insertcoffee>lol
13:54:03  <insertcoffee>surely some mad bastards are doing this?
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13:54:20  <dominictarr_>I'm scared to click that link but I'm gonna do it anyway
13:54:23  <dominictarr_>here goes...
13:55:16  <insertcoffee>disclaimer: I was inebriated
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13:56:40  <dominictarr_>curl https://gist.github.com/missinglink/7800267/raw/4adc5a7044256e2df87fe658f90b6fac2d028a3e/stream.sh | sh
13:56:55  <dominictarr_>...
13:57:11  <insertcoffee>you need the code in the comment
13:57:14  <dominictarr_>':pipe': is not a valid identifier
13:57:18  <insertcoffee>ahahaha
13:57:21  <insertcoffee>osx?
13:57:25  <insertcoffee>I didnt test that
13:57:33  <insertcoffee>just string replace : with _
13:58:33  <insertcoffee>anyway, you can imagine what it does
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13:59:36  <insertcoffee>I think its a bit too crazy, will play with it a bit more anyway
14:01:15  <dominictarr_>Im trying to remove the :'s but there are some hiding
14:02:19  <dominictarr_>aha, I don't have the replace command...
14:03:05  <insertcoffee>curl https://gist.github.com/missinglink/7805591 | sh
14:03:15  <insertcoffee>or whatever
14:03:16  <dominictarr_>that can probably be replaced with a awk?
14:03:16  <insertcoffee>https://gist.github.com/missinglink/7805591
14:03:44  <dominictarr_>https://gist.github.com/missinglink/7800267#file-stream-sh-L42-L49
14:03:50  <dominictarr_>^ I forgot those too
14:03:53  <insertcoffee>yea, so there is obviously a big issue with portability
14:04:07  <dominictarr_>portable bash scripts are pretty hard to write
14:04:20  <insertcoffee>yea, the whole bash ecosystem is very ad-hoc
14:04:22  <dominictarr_>i know, because of all the pull requests I've gotten on JSON.sh
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14:12:55  <insertcoffee>all this really does is allow you to pipe unix commands to<>from bash functions
14:12:55  <insertcoffee>which is many ways is not very useful
14:12:55  <insertcoffee>but when it comes to the forking of streams that share the same stdout its more interesting
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14:14:29  <dominictarr_>insertcoffee, I thought you can do that anyway?
14:15:45  <insertcoffee>yea its all possible
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14:16:07  <insertcoffee>just a question of what the api looks like & how practical it is
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14:25:05  <insertcoffee>dominictarr_ piping to functions could be a nice way of making the portability issues go away
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14:27:16  <dominictarr_>but you can already pipe to functions
14:27:22  <dominictarr_>function shellfiles {
14:27:25  <dominictarr_>grep sh
14:27:25  <dominictarr_>}
14:27:32  <dominictarr_>ls -1 | shellfiles
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14:34:54  <insertcoffee>oh yea you can
14:35:41  <insertcoffee>wait, no, kinda, you can buffer the output from the first and send it on
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14:40:03  <dominictarr_>it streams, but it buffers a bit
14:40:07  <insertcoffee>dominictarr_ https://gist.github.com/missinglink/7806099
14:40:21  <dominictarr_>backpressure in bash is combined with scheduling
14:40:35  <dominictarr_>if one process can't take anymore input, the previous process is paused.
14:40:53  <insertcoffee>maybe I'm just being daft here but the second version processes input once per line and basically does a map() on it
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14:43:21  <insertcoffee>plus it handles more than one function being passes to multi()
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14:44:15  <insertcoffee>...there is most probably a bash command I dont know about that does this
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15:20:35  <dominictarr>hey, does anyone know what the ssh message "roaming not allowed by server means" ?
15:20:40  <dominictarr>hey, does anyone know what the ssh message "roaming not allowed by server" means ?
15:21:21  <pkrumins>haven't seen that one before
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15:24:03  <rowbit>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 0, free: 57]
15:24:37  <insertcoffee>dominictarr cat /var/log/auth.log ?
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15:29:41  <dominictarr>insertcoffee, hmm, I don't have that file on arch.
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15:30:14  <insertcoffee>its the ssh log, you have one... somewhere
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15:47:13  <insertcoffee>anyone had success pulling reporting data from google analytics before?
15:53:46  <Maciek416>I think it's pretty limited compared to what you can look at in GA itself, but I could be out of date on that
15:54:55  <mmalecki>dominictarr: it should be on the remote server for sure
15:55:06  <mmalecki>dominictarr: also, past ssh -vvv
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15:58:51  <dominictarr>https://gist.github.com/dominictarr/eb945df837fd05f29402
15:58:57  <dominictarr>mmalecki, thanks
16:00:03  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: looks like something is failing inside the newer zuul with node0.8: https://travis-ci.org/thlorenz/zuul-mp/jobs/14988284
16:00:26  <thlorenz>I'll make an issue
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16:00:45  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: k
16:00:51  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: it looks like the use of superstack
16:00:57  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: can probably remove the use of that
16:01:21  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: I haven't tested superstack in 0.8
16:02:51  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: ah, that makes sense, here: https://github.com/defunctzombie/zuul/issues/20
16:04:46  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: if this is a scheme to get me to pin my dependencies, nice try ;)
16:06:13  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: how can I reproduce that error? just run zuul-mp tests on 0.8?
16:07:49  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: nave use 0.8 npm test (inside zuul-mp)
16:08:16  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: or even easier: nave use 0.8 node test/passing-qunit.js
16:08:24  <defunctzombie>I use nvm thank you very much :)
16:08:38  <thlorenz>well similar then ;)
16:10:08  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: give me a sec I'm making this easier
16:10:15  <defunctzombie>I have it running
16:10:17  <defunctzombie>and failing
16:10:24  <defunctzombie>I think something changed with event emitters
16:10:25  <defunctzombie>sigh
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16:12:32  <defunctzombie>are these tests suppose to be so slow?
16:12:44  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: you can now just git clone the repo and simply run npm test
16:12:55  <thlorenz>that'll go thru both node versions
16:13:07  <thlorenz>you'll see a failing looking test, but that is intended
16:21:57  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: just pushed zuul master with superstack bump
16:22:07  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: try it out and if good we can publish a new zuul version
16:22:32  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: thanks will do
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16:23:36  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: ok, this one is good :)
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16:29:59  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: wow, why does travis not fail my build?? I have `set -e` in front: https://travis-ci.org/thlorenz/zuul-mp/jobs/14989961
16:31:21  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: don't you have something different for when travis is running?
16:31:32  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: you have some sort of crazy stuff going on in your scripts :)
16:31:34  <thlorenz>it ends up running test-main
16:32:10  <thlorenz>to get all node versions covered -- I added set -e to the top level test script now, hope that works
16:32:15  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: also, not really sure how set -e and npm stuff will co-exist honestly
16:32:28  <defunctzombie>I dunno what npm run does
16:33:35  <mmalecki>dominictarr: /var/log/auth.log should have more info
16:33:41  <mmalecki>dominictarr: (on the server)
16:33:51  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: it just runs the script
16:33:56  <dominictarr>mmalecki, unfortunately, archlinux doesn't have that file.
16:34:31  <mmalecki>dominictarr: wut? that's insanely weird
16:35:04  <thlorenz>dominictarr: hey, since I stole this from level-sublevel, do you know why travis is not failing my build on a failed test via: set -e; for t in test/*.js; do node $t; done
16:35:29  <thlorenz>i.e. the top one here should have failed the build: https://travis-ci.org/thlorenz/zuul-mp/jobs/14989961
16:37:40  <dominictarr>thlorenz, so, travis is not failing, but the test is failing?
16:37:53  <dominictarr>when you run it locally with npm test it fails?
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16:39:21  <thlorenz>dominictarr: I'm pretty sure it did, but it runs slightly different locally: https://github.com/thlorenz/zuul-mp/blob/master/package.json#L14
16:41:55  <thlorenz>dominictarr: ah shoot seems like not failing locally either
16:42:13  <thlorenz>that sucks, gotta go back to use tap command instead of what I have now
16:42:21  <jesusabdullah>thlorenz: I never heard back from Conde Nast after the first email ;_;
16:42:30  <jesusabdullah>thlorenz: how come they don't liiike meeeeee
16:42:49  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: what?? that must be a mistake
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16:45:26  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: I would recommend you keep npm test simple and just have a local script which runs the tests in different node versions for you
16:45:38  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: that way you let travis do whatever it needs for different versions
16:45:50  <defunctzombie>and don't code all this stuff in every project you careabout
16:46:00  <defunctzombie>since it will become outdated
16:46:15  <defunctzombie>and when 0.12 ships you gotta go and have a bunch of random changes for boilerplate stuff
16:47:36  <jesusabdullah>Doesn't rvagg have a really cool multi-node testing tool?
16:48:04  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: I like it that way though, since it allows pull requesters to spot errors locally as well
16:48:12  <thlorenz>i.e. instead of just on travis
16:48:20  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: just tell pull requestors to use your script :)
16:48:48  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: add a "testing" section or something saying versions to test maybe, but whatevs, just bikeshedding thoughts :)
16:48:53  <thlorenz>yeah, could do that, but I like the fact that my thing comes with nave as devdep and all you have to know is how to type: npm test ;)
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17:04:01  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: when u gonna publish so my badge goes green?? don't wanna depend on some github/master
17:04:36  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: > and when 0.12 ships you gotta go and have a bunch of random changes for boilerplate stuff
17:04:43  <thlorenz>for that I can write a script ;)
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17:15:14  <dominictarr>thlorenz, are you sure the test is failing?
17:15:23  <dominictarr>what if you run each script individually?
17:15:32  <dominictarr>I haven't had any problems with this, myself.
17:15:43  <thlorenz>me neither previously
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17:16:07  <thlorenz>maybe I'm doing something weird, but some tests are failing (timing out)
17:16:29  <thlorenz>replaced it with 'tap test/*.js' and build fails properly again
17:16:36  <dominictarr>hmm, strange
17:17:16  <thlorenz>but I like your version much better since it outputs more info
17:18:07  <thlorenz>it'd be nice if tap command would allow you to config it to print full output instead of just consuming it ^ isaacs
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17:23:59  <dominictarr>thlorenz, tape has a runner too
17:24:03  <rowbit>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 0, free: 38]
17:24:05  <dominictarr>tape test/*.js
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17:25:17  <thlorenz>I know, but tape misses .similar :( to test against regex
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17:33:19  <dominictarr>thlorenz, make a pull request :)
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17:33:57  <thlorenz>dominictarr: yeah, I probably should
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18:11:09  <jesusabdullah>ugh I just had to play javascript jeopardy
18:12:18  <Domenic_>with which
18:12:45  <jesusabdullah>lab49
18:12:54  <Domenic_>was it the initial recruiter call or was it an actual dev
18:13:49  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: published 1.0.6
18:14:11  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: thanks, I'll just restart my build which now should be fixed :)
18:15:51  <jesusabdullah>Domenic_: actual dev
18:15:58  <Domenic_>hmm lame
18:16:04  <mikolalysenko>jesusabdullah: what sort of questions did they ask?
18:16:09  <jesusabdullah>Domenic_: I didn't mind it really, it was just like, crap what DOES happen if you modify a prototype after creating your instance?
18:16:15  <Domenic_>heh
18:16:18  <jesusabdullah>Domenic_: "like, who the fuck does that?"
18:20:21  <jesusabdullah>Domenic_: also ended up getting in a discussion about the difference between scope and closure, I herped the derp a little bit but with enough hints I was like, "OHHHHHHH I know what you're getting at yeah blah blah blah"
18:20:49  <Domenic_>jesusabdullah: heh yeah makes sense.
18:20:54  <Domenic_>I wonder who you got...
18:21:45  <jesusabdullah>Bruce Harris?
18:21:51  <jesusabdullah>I don't think he was overly disappoint
18:21:58  <Domenic_>oh yeah, he's a good guy.
18:22:08  <jesusabdullah>I think they were intentionally tough questions and I think he found my answers acceptable
18:22:14  <Domenic_>:)
18:22:22  <jesusabdullah>then I told him about this cool service registry thing with scuttlebutts
18:22:23  <Domenic_>well now you know we take our javascript seriously
18:22:29  <jesusabdullah>haha for shizz
18:22:47  <jesusabdullah>oh and we got into "use strict" which I never use
18:23:03  <Domenic_>been doing some airpairs recently and seeing a lot of noob code from "senior developers" at other places who need help... makes me glad to be in my people-who-know-JS bubble.
18:23:44  <jesusabdullah>honestly the worst thing was when I accidentally said something that sounded like this resolution bubbled up through functions and we had to spend 5 minutes clarifying that I completely a phrase I didn't mean to
18:24:01  <jesusabdullah>oh wellolol
18:24:03  <rowbit>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 0, free: 35]
18:24:10  <jesusabdullah>I feels ya tho
18:25:04  <mikolalysenko>Domenic_: what counts as noob js code in your opinion?
18:26:13  <Domenic_>mikolalysenko: well it was things like callbacks feeling weird, or using global variables and hearing that "namespacing is what people are doing these days, i know, but i'm just using globals for now," or when they get confused on object literal syntax...
18:26:27  <Domenic_>(and call it JSON...)
18:27:08  <jesusabdullah>GOOD TIMES
18:27:09  <LOUDBOT>IF I TAKE AN ENTRY POSITION AND JUST KEEP SHOUTING THEY'RE BOUND TO PROMOTE ME SOONER OR LATER
18:28:58  <mikolalysenko>yeah. working with global variables and module free js code is kind of obnoxious...
18:29:35  <mikolalysenko>though writing a bunch of npm modules has given me a low pain tolerance for that kind of thing
18:30:42  <mikolalysenko>I always wonder what sort of mistakes I am making right now though in my js code...
18:33:52  <jesusabdullah>just write tests bro
18:39:20  <mikolalysenko>yeah, I probably need to do more of that
18:40:11  <mikolalysenko>my current strategy is kind of iterative refinement of test cases, which is use it until it breaks then go back and add another test case
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18:46:35  <trevnorris>creationix: ping re: asynclistener event names
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19:08:40  <ogd_>mikolalysenko: are you coming out west any time soon?
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19:27:44  <creationix>trevnorris, yes?
19:28:49  <trevnorris>creationix: there are a couple pieces of info that I think would be helpful. specifically, what the "type" of constructor is (e.g. nextTick, TCPWrap, etc) that would be passed to the create callback.
19:29:23  <trevnorris>creationix: and the other would be the type of event that is being fired. then, optimally, users could place filters on those two of where they want the callbacks to actually fire.
19:30:35  <trevnorris>but the current implementation (minus an API syntax change) is still full of bugs. it's a massive and complex change that basically reroutes all I/O guts of node through a single location
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19:31:12  <trevnorris>and i'm going to focus on getting that hammered out before the v0.12 release. but those things are on the list of "eventually"
19:31:44  <creationix>trevnorris, did you see my code for generating diagrams of the events?
19:31:53  <trevnorris>creationix: nope
19:32:15  <creationix>that was why I needed the names of the events.
19:32:31  <creationix>trevnorris, here is an http server serving two requests (one streaming a file and one 404 response)
19:32:47  <creationix>but yeah, I also thought about users filtering by type.
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19:33:39  <creationix>you can see the server emits two events for each request but I'm not sure what events those are
19:33:59  <trevnorris>you have a link to that code?
19:34:24  <creationix>trevnorris, https://gist.github.com/creationix/7796338
19:34:46  <creationix>also the previous science experiment that is a cool web framework that (ab)uses async-listener https://gist.github.com/creationix/7778005
19:36:17  <creationix>trevnorris, also, if console.log and console.error are truly sync, it would be great if they didn't emit events
19:36:23  <creationix>then you could log while in the event handler
19:36:34  <creationix>currently it causes stack overflows
19:36:51  <creationix>(at least with async-listener, I didn't try with node 0.11.x)
19:37:27  <trevnorris>yeah. i realize that's a pain. in master you can use process._rawDebug, which just writes directly to stderr. i'm not sure of the legacy decision to complicate those outputs w/ streams
19:38:49  <trevnorris>creationix: thanks for the info. i'll keep this in mind while I'm re-implementing.
19:38:56  <creationix>awesome, thanks
19:39:01  <creationix>I've wanted this in node for years
19:39:07  <creationix>luvit had it since initial design
19:39:20  <creationix>it's a very powerful hook
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19:46:00  <ehd>creationix: hey, so i basically have function definitions as strings and want to sync them into a filesystem git database in node
19:48:02  <creationix>ehd, ok, do you understand how git core works?
19:48:20  <creationix>the blobs, trees, commits, and tag objects?
19:48:59  <ehd>not entirely, should i read up on that first. i guess their equivalent exist in jsgit?
19:50:34  <creationix>right, js-git is very low-level. It's nothing like the CLI interface you're used to with cgit
19:50:38  <creationix>but it's really simple too
19:50:45  <creationix>think of it as a key-value store
19:50:59  <creationix>you store files and it gives you the keys (hashes)
19:51:11  <creationix>you then organize files into trees and get the hashes for the trees
19:51:19  <creationix>you then create a commit using the root tree hash
19:51:31  <creationix>then you take that commit hash and point a branch or tag to it so you can find it later
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19:52:43  <ehd>sounds awesome!
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19:53:38  <mikolalysenko>ogd_: have a very big deadline on dec. 13, so haven't thought much beyond that point yet
19:53:43  <creationix>ehd, here is some really good reading for the level of understanding you'd need. http://git-scm.com/book/en/Git-Internals
19:54:03  <creationix>ehd, the js-git API is still somewhat unstable, but I can show you the current API when you're ready to start writing code
19:54:35  <creationix>the object-store API should be pretty stable at this point
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19:54:48  <creationix>it's implemented in two different places (js-git and js-github)
19:56:15  <ehd>cool, reading through the internals chapter now
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20:00:21  <trevnorris>creationix: reasons for passing in the context: you can identify the exact state of the requesting object (e.g. fd) also for some more insane analysis you can actually pass the object native side and extract the calling class
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20:05:12  <creationix>trevnorris, btw, why not call after in case of error?
20:05:51  <creationix>it's not too bad, I just call after when my error handler is done
20:05:57  <creationix>just curious
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20:10:58  <trevnorris>creationix: oversight. I only put the caller in where the callback is processed. which means if a throw occurs then it doesn't have a way to return back.
20:11:14  <trevnorris>basically I need to explicitely call the after callbacks if the error was handled.
20:11:36  <trevnorris>but when that's supposed to happen, i'm not sure. or, at least, know when the _best_ time to do that would be.
20:12:16  <creationix>it's fine, I can always call it manually when I want it to happen
20:12:20  <creationix>as long as it's consistent
20:13:14  <trevnorris>that's part of the fix i'm going to be doing
20:16:35  <defunctzombie>trevnorris: libuv question: when using a uv_timer_t handle.. when is it safe to destroy the handle?
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21:31:44  <Domenic_>waugh, this thing has gotten better, but is not dead yet. https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/streams-api/raw-file/tip/Overview.htm#readableByteStreamInterface
21:32:55  <Domenic_>creationix: do you think { in, out } for duplex and transform streams makes sense? i should probably choose one soon and at least see how it goes.
21:33:16  <Domenic_>ircretary: tell dominictarr i want to talk to him about { in, out } vs. one-object for duplex and transform streams.
21:33:17  <ircretary>Domenic_: I'll be sure to tell dominictarr
21:33:26  <Domenic_>ircretary: you respond so fast, it is frightening.
21:33:26  <ircretary>Domenic_: I'm not sure what to do with that command. Ask for help in PM.
21:37:39  <ehd>creationix: i went through the blob/tree/commit/refs section of the book :D
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22:06:49  <spion>Domenic_, pipe will still work, correct?
22:07:01  <spion>whoops
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22:15:29  <trevnorris>defunctzombie: sorry dude. I definitely don't know libuv well enough to give you a safe answer on that. :)
22:15:37  <defunctzombie>:(
22:15:42  <defunctzombie>no one loves me
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22:26:29  <creationix>Domenic_, what do you mean?
22:26:48  <creationix>ehd, awesome. It's a really elegant system isn't it?
22:28:28  <ehd>yep, i especially like how packfiles just build on top of the simpler abstractions
22:28:42  <ehd>i wonder how it performs with really small diffs (single words sometimes)
22:29:05  <creationix>the binary delta in packfile works best for files with small diffs
22:29:29  <creationix>(at least in terms of saving bandwidth)
22:30:11  <creationix>though I must say, there are parts of the pack protocol that I don't enjoy.
22:30:20  <creationix>I see why it was made the way it's made though.
22:32:07  <ehd>i haven't read the transport part (yet); is what you mean related to creating or transporting packs?
22:33:05  <creationix>both, but more so the network protocols layered on top
22:33:21  <creationix>packfile format alone isn't that bad
22:33:34  <creationix>just difficult do parse
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22:42:27  <ehd>i used to think git stored diffs, then learned it stored whole content as blobs every time, but then again fascinated that packfiles mitigate that
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22:42:51  <ehd>so this might work well as a versioned database for code snippets :D
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22:44:14  <creationix>defunctzombie, by "destroy" do you mean uv_close?
22:44:31  <defunctzombie>creationix: nope, but destroy I mean delete the uv_timer_t
22:45:04  <defunctzombie>creationix: you have to make one for the lifetime of timer callbacks
22:45:12  <defunctzombie>but knowing when there can be no more callbacks is unclear
22:45:14  <creationix>as I understand, you stop the timer, close the handle and once the close callback has happened, you can delete the struct
22:45:36  <defunctzombie>I don't think you have to close a uv_timer_t do you?
22:45:47  <creationix>you have to close everything to be safe
22:45:53  <defunctzombie>creationix: but you can restart the timer
22:45:58  <creationix>it's not just for file descriptor based stuff
22:46:17  <creationix>right, are you worried that some other code will restart the timer behind your back?
22:46:33  <defunctzombie>kinda
22:46:39  <Domenic_>Ceo
22:46:41  <Domenic_>Err
22:46:47  <defunctzombie>creationix: also, you don't have to stop single-shot timers
22:46:56  <defunctzombie>creationix: they will just fire and be done
22:47:12  <creationix>defunctzombie, I think that's right
22:47:27  <creationix>also if I remember correctly it's safe to double stop a timer
22:47:30  <Domenic_>Creationix: I mean for whatwg/streams, trying to decide if duplex/transform streams should be objects with in and out properties, or an object which implements both interfaces.
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22:47:42  <defunctzombie>creationix: yes, it is safe, but still you have to know that the timer is a single shot vs multi
22:48:03  <defunctzombie>creationix: and there is this "again" method you can call on a timer
22:48:22  <creationix>defunctzombie, I'm pretty sure there is a property on the struct that tells you if the timer is live
22:48:33  <creationix>it's been a while and I don't have the header file open
22:48:57  <creationix>Domenic_, other than "in" being a keyword, I really like {in,out}
22:49:28  <defunctzombie>creationix: nope, timer has no additional fields beyond handle fields
22:50:21  <creationix>defunctzombie, so why don't you know the state of the timer?
22:50:41  <creationix>you can't delete it if you aren't sure that nobody will try to reference it anymore right?
22:51:12  <defunctzombie>creationix: yea, specifically, you can't delete it until you know that it won't fire more callbacks
22:51:31  <creationix>defunctzombie, right, but that's easily fixed by stopping the timer and closing the handle
22:51:37  <defunctzombie>creationix: I think I may have thought up a solution
22:51:39  <creationix>I promise it won't fire after that
22:51:50  <defunctzombie>creationix: but I can't stop the timer
22:51:54  <defunctzombie>that is for the user to decide to do
22:52:09  <creationix>why can't you stop the timer, you're about to delete it?
22:52:23  <creationix>or is your question, you want to know if it's still running?
22:52:24  <defunctzombie>creationix: but when am I about to delete it?
22:53:04  <defunctzombie>creationix: basically, I need to add some logic that sees if the timer is a single shot or multishot
22:53:11  <defunctzombie>for singleshot that is easy, I can cleanup after
22:53:19  <defunctzombie>for multishot, I need to intercept the stop call too
22:53:26  <creationix>defunctzombie, do you know about uv_is_active
22:53:31  <Domenic_>Creationix: just for duplex, or for transform also? You'd have to add special in/out-detecting/using logic to pipe if you wanted in/out on transform…
22:53:31  <defunctzombie>creationix: I do not
22:53:36  <creationix>I think that's what you're looking for if I understand the question
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22:53:51  <creationix>defunctzombie, https://github.com/joyent/libuv/blob/master/include/uv.h#L522-L542
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22:54:00  <defunctzombie>creationix: seems like what I want :)
22:54:06  <defunctzombie>creationix: thanks! will take a closer look
22:54:13  <creationix>awesome
22:54:24  <defunctzombie>creationix: this is for my libuv.js experiment
22:54:29  <defunctzombie>thus all the detailed questions :)
22:54:34  <creationix>libuv.js?
22:54:42  <defunctzombie>cause I gotta prevent garbage collection from happening
22:54:53  <creationix>Domenic_, just duplex I think
22:55:01  <creationix>a transform is really a single stream
22:55:06  <creationix>but I'm not solid either way
22:55:13  <defunctzombie>creationix: writing some js bindings for libuv
22:55:15  <creationix>personally I don't represent transforms as streams
22:55:22  <creationix>defunctzombie, what js engine?
22:55:27  <defunctzombie>creationix: v8
22:55:53  <creationix>defunctzombie, that's actually pretty cool. The bindings in node are terrible hacked up
22:56:05  <creationix>though I'm sure you can learn a lot from reading node's source
22:56:15  <creationix>defunctzombie, check out how I did my lua bindings in luv
22:56:27  <creationix>much cleaner method than how I did it for luvit
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22:56:43  <defunctzombie>creationix: oh shit yea.. forgot about luv, need to have that open as a reference too
22:56:45  <Domenic_>Creationix: I think I agree, yay. Which leaves https://github.com/whatwg/streams/issues/47
22:57:28  <creationix>defunctzombie, a v8 version of luv would actually be a pretty fun library to use
22:57:38  <creationix>and it could be used from node or as a standalone platform
22:57:45  <defunctzombie>creationix: I hope so
22:58:08  <defunctzombie>creationix: it is all pretty raw right now since I am still learning some libuv patterns and v8 binding shit
22:58:16  <defunctzombie>creationix: but I have some file reading
22:58:22  <defunctzombie>and working on timers
22:58:33  <defunctzombie>mostly just a bunch of the same boilerplate over and over
22:58:37  <defunctzombie>and writing tests for it too
22:58:46  <defunctzombie>creationix: https://github.com/defunctzombie/libuv.js
22:58:52  <defunctzombie>creationix: barely anything works right now
22:59:20  <creationix>defunctzombie, good luck
22:59:56  <creationix>defunctzombie, it's not much, but if it's helpful in any way https://github.com/creationix/uvrun
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23:00:25  <defunctzombie>creationix: cool, yea those I got working first :)
23:00:34  <defunctzombie>creationix: cause nothing else is usable without that really haha
23:00:42  <creationix>right
23:00:51  <creationix>but what that project taught me is you can use libuv bindings from inside node
23:00:57  <creationix>it just blocks node's uv_run with your own
23:01:05  <creationix>everything keeps on working normal
23:01:05  <defunctzombie>creationix: that's cool
23:01:12  <defunctzombie>creationix: I am aiming for "pre-node" tho
23:01:19  <defunctzombie>so I don't have anything
23:01:25  <creationix>right, same as luv
23:01:28  <defunctzombie>yep
23:01:40  <creationix>but there are times when I wish I could use libuv directly in a node module
23:01:56  <defunctzombie>heh, maybe I will make a node module for that
23:02:03  <defunctzombie>once I have the bindings working
23:02:12  <creationix>the only problem if you're libuv headers would have to match what was in the node version being used
23:02:30  <creationix>Domenic_, I think I prefer the short names
23:02:54  <creationix>Domenic_, but it's midnight, my battery is dying and I left my American power adapter in the office
23:03:53  <creationix>defunctzombie, if you have more questions, hit me up. I'm no ben, but I have written libuv bindings for four different times
23:04:08  <defunctzombie>creationix: you can count on it
23:04:20  <defunctzombie>creationix: I totally forgot about lua bindings stuff
23:04:24  <defunctzombie>creationix: there will be more questions :)
23:04:35  <creationix>luv is the cleanest by far, start there
23:04:52  <creationix>though the candor stuff isn't bad either, just unfinished
23:05:04  <creationix>candor's binding API is very OOP friendly
23:05:08  <creationix>lua is straight C
23:05:26  <creationix>https://github.com/creationix/candor.io
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23:06:52  <creationix>alright, g'night everyone
23:07:07  <defunctzombie>later
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