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| <chrisdickinson> | defunctzombie: pong |
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| <defunctzombie> | https://github.com/chrisdickinson/dst.js |
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| <defunctzombie> | can we simplify that to something like this: http://javascript.about.com/library/bldst.htm |
| 00:00:31
| <defunctzombie> | and do the range stuff optionally? |
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| <chrisdickinson> | defunctzombie: potentially -- what would the benefit be? |
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| <defunctzombie> | chrisdickinson: 60 less lines of code |
| 00:07:02
| <defunctzombie> | I don't think you need to find thresholds tho, june and jan are always different in any place that does DST |
| 00:08:09
| <defunctzombie> | chrisdickinson: also.. don't monkey patch the date? |
| 00:08:22
| <defunctzombie> | chrisdickinson: I guess this module predates use of browserify :) |
| 00:08:27
| <chrisdickinson> | it does :) |
| 00:08:36
| <defunctzombie> | so it could probably use a refresh |
| 00:08:48
| <chrisdickinson> | it's not the best module ever, tbh. really the threshold finding stuff should be pulled out into a separate thing |
| 00:09:02
| <defunctzombie> | I don't think you need to do the finding stuff at all actually |
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| <defunctzombie> | I think this module can be 10 lines of code |
| 00:09:13
| <chrisdickinson> | that greatly depends on use case :) |
| 00:09:28
| <defunctzombie> | chrisdickinson: well, isn't the usecase to know if the date is DST ? |
| 00:09:30
| <chrisdickinson> | again, this is pre-browserify, pre-small modul |
| 00:09:33
| <chrisdickinson> | *module |
| 00:10:00
| <chrisdickinson> | sometimes the use case is to be able to tell when DST starts and ends for the current user |
| 00:10:15
| <defunctzombie> | show me a test that fails when using the Jan/June threshhold |
| 00:10:19
| <defunctzombie> | hm... |
| 00:10:31
| <defunctzombie> | sounds like another module to me maybe ? |
| 00:10:35
| <chrisdickinson> | yep |
| 00:10:42
| <defunctzombie> | I kinda expected this one to just be an is_dst function |
| 00:10:44
| <defunctzombie> | and nothing more |
| 00:10:50
| <defunctzombie> | based on the description |
| 00:11:09
| <defunctzombie> | i'll send a PR for you to reject ;) |
| 00:11:12
| <chrisdickinson> | haha |
| 00:11:33
| <chrisdickinson> | apologies. it's kind of olde-fashioned js |
| 00:11:57
| <chrisdickinson> | would probably be worth making two more clearly named modules: `is-dst` + `find-dst-thresholds` |
| 00:12:51
| <defunctzombie> | potentially |
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| 00:13:05
| <defunctzombie> | I generally prefer to not make new modules if existing module author is still around |
| 00:13:16
| <defunctzombie> | and wants to make module updates |
| 00:13:39
| <Raynos> | timezones are really hard |
| 00:13:59
| <Raynos> | DST is also really hard |
| 00:14:14
| <Raynos> | you cant assume that the hardware on a machine has the correct DST information |
| 00:14:18
| <Raynos> | you got to go to a trusted server |
| 00:14:22
| <Raynos> | local time can NEVER be trusted. |
| 00:14:25
| <defunctzombie> | bah |
| 00:14:32
| <defunctzombie> | whatever... best effort :) |
| 00:14:44
| <defunctzombie> | timezones are impossible... not just hard |
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| <defunctzombie> | so best effort is good effort :) |
| 00:15:25
| <Raynos> | I spend a week or 2 building https://github.com/Colingo/browser-tz |
| 00:16:01
| <Raynos> | i havnt needed to know about DSTs since :D |
| 00:16:29
| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: haha, yea I looked at the moment-timezone stuff |
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| <defunctzombie> | defunctzombie: I found a simpler trick I think to change time from one zone to another |
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| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: ^ |
| 00:16:54
| <defunctzombie> | haha |
| 00:17:14
| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: I just have to know the GMT offsets for my zone |
| 00:17:29
| <defunctzombie> | which doesn't change |
| 00:17:33
| <defunctzombie> | with DST |
| 00:17:50
| <defunctzombie> | er, I meant it does.. but you can know that if you know is_dst() |
| 00:19:52
| <Raynos> | ugh. |
| 00:20:03
| <Raynos> | so your going to run into all kinds of nasty shit |
| 00:20:07
| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: am I ? |
| 00:20:09
| <Raynos> | moment-timezone is horrible, i want to rewrite it |
| 00:20:16
| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: I didn't use moment-timezone |
| 00:20:23
| <Raynos> | so if you want to change 8pm SF to NY time |
| 00:20:28
| <Raynos> | then you need to know the delta |
| 00:20:33
| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: yea, I can do that |
| 00:20:36
| <Raynos> | so you need to know what timezone NY is in |
| 00:20:40
| <Raynos> | and whether SF or NY are in DST |
| 00:20:40
| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: that is exactly what I need to do |
| 00:20:43
| <defunctzombie> | yep |
| 00:20:46
| <defunctzombie> | got all that :) |
| 00:20:47
| <Raynos> | and being in DST is based on a 100kb json lookup table |
| 00:20:50
| <defunctzombie> | nope |
| 00:20:53
| <Raynos> | because DST changes |
| 00:20:58
| <Raynos> | every country changes FST |
| 00:20:59
| <Raynos> | DST* |
| 00:20:59
| <defunctzombie> | I use the getTimezoneOffset |
| 00:21:06
| <Raynos> | sure |
| 00:21:09
| <Raynos> | that gets you DST for SF |
| 00:21:12
| <Raynos> | now get DST for NY :D |
| 00:21:15
| <defunctzombie> | yep |
| 00:21:16
| <defunctzombie> | got that too |
| 00:21:18
| <Raynos> | how ? |
| 00:21:21
| <defunctzombie> | one sec |
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| <DTrejo> | i like this conversation |
| 00:22:41
| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: give me a string with 8pm SF time I can feed into new Date() |
| 00:22:52
| <Raynos> | defunctzombie: https://github.com/Colingo/browser-tz/blob/master/test/iso-string.js#L147 |
| 00:23:00
| <Raynos> | defunctzombie: but you dont know what DST is in NY right now. |
| 00:23:11
| <Raynos> | because getTimezoneOffset is local to machine time which is SF or whatever |
| 00:23:43
| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: ah I guess for my use case that is exactly what I wanted |
| 00:23:54
| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: I want to turn the user's time into some other timezone target |
| 00:23:59
| <Raynos> | so switching from SF to paris is impossible without a DST lookup table |
| 00:24:01
| <defunctzombie> | so yea.. slightly different usecase |
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| <rowbit> | Hourly usage stats: [developer: 2, free: 18] |
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| <Raynos> | especially for arbitrary dates in the past |
| 00:24:45
| <defunctzombie> | my use case was to turn 8pm local time into the other timezone |
| 00:24:51
| <Raynos> | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/timezone.html?n=195&syear=1900 |
| 00:24:59
| <Raynos> | paris only started DST in 1916 :D |
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| <defunctzombie> | actually..let me try something |
| 00:25:10
| <Raynos> | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/timezone.html?n=195&syear=1950 |
| 00:25:14
| <Raynos> | they got rid of DST in the 50s |
| 00:25:21
| <defunctzombie> | hold up |
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| <defunctzombie> | so is the user local to SF ? |
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| <defunctzombie> | and you want paris time? |
| 00:25:38
| <Raynos> | yes |
| 00:25:46
| <defunctzombie> | ok.. so I need the time in SF |
| 00:25:47
| <Raynos> | I have an iso time from SF |
| 00:25:51
| <Raynos> | so the user is in SF |
| 00:25:52
| <defunctzombie> | yea.. give me that |
| 00:25:56
| <Raynos> | and new Date().toIsoString() |
| 00:26:00
| <Raynos> | gives an iso of the time right now |
| 00:26:04
| <Raynos> | i want to render that iso time |
| 00:26:08
| <Raynos> | in "local time right now in paris" |
| 00:26:11
| <defunctzombie> | yea ok |
| 00:26:18
| <defunctzombie> | run taht command on your computer |
| 00:26:29
| <defunctzombie> | or fuck it.. ill just use my east coast time |
| 00:26:32
| <defunctzombie> | same difference |
| 00:26:55
| <Raynos> | "2013-12-13T00:26:50.298Z" |
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| <techwraith> | timezones are a hard problem |
| 00:28:33
| <techwraith> | Talk to anyone who's built a calendar |
| 00:28:42
| <Raynos> | it took me a very long time to realize that you cant just add numbers |
| 00:28:49
| <Raynos> | i always thought that "numbers are always correct!" |
| 00:29:11
| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: what is paris from GMT? |
| 00:29:21
| <Raynos> | defunctzombie: thats the problem, you dont know :D |
| 00:29:28
| <Raynos> | you need a lookup table |
| 00:29:28
| <defunctzombie> | no.. you do |
| 00:29:36
| <defunctzombie> | sure |
| 00:29:40
| <Raynos> | paris is like GMT+1 |
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| <Raynos> | dependending on DST ;) |
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| <defunctzombie> | yep |
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| <techwraith> | Yeah, I still don't know how you'd do this without lookup tables |
| 00:32:15
| <defunctzombie> | you need the lookup table for GMT values |
| 00:32:33
| <defunctzombie> | but I am trying to see if you need one for the DST as well |
| 00:32:38
| <defunctzombie> | or can just rely on the system |
| 00:32:56
| <defunctzombie> | I think you can't rely on system cause of the historic stuff |
| 00:33:11
| <techwraith> | Nope, what do you do about Arizona? They don't adhere to DST |
| 00:33:13
| <defunctzombie> | I can only know if my current location is in DST without a table |
| 00:33:14
| <Raynos> | I do wish javascript had a DST lookup table build into it |
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| <Raynos> | defunctzombie: 'current location' !== 'current machine timezone' |
| 00:33:37
| <defunctzombie> | but I can't know if the target location is in DST for a given date |
| 00:33:40
| <techwraith> | Raynos: That would rock |
| 00:33:49
| <Raynos> | thats the biggest problem tbh. |
| 00:34:27
| <Raynos> | the lookup table is 175kb (uncompressed) |
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| <Raynos> | defunctzombie: btw this is what you want ( https://github.com/moment/moment-timezone/blob/develop/moment-timezone.json#L3034 ) |
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| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: when did paris start DST? |
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| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: yea I saw that nice table :) |
| 00:36:17
| <Raynos> | it would be cool if someone rewrote moment-timezone to not be moment btw :D |
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| <Raynos> | I would do it but mother of god ;_; |
| 00:36:37
| <defunctzombie> | haha |
| 00:36:54
| <techwraith> | https://github.com/mde/timezone-js |
| 00:37:02
| <techwraith> | That's pretty cool ^ |
| 00:37:20
| <Raynos> | I also have https://github.com/Colingo/browser-tz/blob/master/moment/parse.js |
| 00:37:28
| <Raynos> | to fix moment's broken-ness -.- |
| 00:40:17
| <techwraith> | Raynos: timezone-js looks like what you're looking for actually |
| 00:40:31
| <defunctzombie> | how much data would you have to feed it? |
| 00:40:39
| <defunctzombie> | I mean.. sending down a 100k data file is not good |
| 00:41:40
| <defunctzombie> | tho not the end of the world if your entire app revolves around timezones haha |
| 00:41:44
| <Raynos> | techwraith: i looked at it and was meh. |
| 00:41:45
| <techwraith> | defunctzombie: You only need to load the timezones that you care about |
| 00:41:54
| <techwraith> | Raynos: What was meh about it? |
| 00:41:58
| <Raynos> | techwraith: i like the browser-tz interface because i decided that ISOString dates are not ambigious |
| 00:42:20
| <Raynos> | techwraith: meh because manage my own timezone lookup table instead of requiring a json file |
| 00:42:26
| <Raynos> | also I dont really want a date interface |
| 00:42:47
| <Raynos> | its also 1k loc |
| 00:43:25
| <Raynos> | also mother of god |
| 00:43:36
| <Raynos> | timezones are terrible. doing timezone computations is massive CPU intensive |
| 00:43:42
| <Raynos> | at least moment timezone is REALLY slow |
| 00:44:10
| <techwraith> | Yeah, timezone-js tries to solve all the tz problems |
| 00:44:18
| <techwraith> | that's why it's so huge |
| 00:44:20
| <Raynos> | all I really need is https://github.com/Colingo/browser-tz/blob/master/add.js#L118 |
| 00:44:26
| <Raynos> | I want to remove that one .add() call |
| 00:44:50
| <Raynos> | also this i guess https://github.com/Colingo/browser-tz/blob/master/iso-string.js#L28 |
| 00:44:53
| <techwraith> | Ah, if you're not building an entire scheduling/event/calendar system, you probably don't need that |
| 00:45:15
| <techwraith> | (timezone-js that is) |
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| <Raynos> | Date(IsoString, timezone) -> IsoString |
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| <Raynos> | and add(IsoString, offset) -> IsoString |
| 00:46:04
| <Raynos> | timezone-js does have this functonality (I assume) but i wanted something lighter |
| 00:46:16
| <Raynos> | I also feel like i would want something written from the ground up for performance |
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| <defunctzombie> | if only there was a way to get timezone offset for another locale |
| 00:48:18
| <defunctzombie> | sadness |
| 00:48:35
| <defunctzombie> | shit.. we need an API server for TZ data haha |
| 00:48:40
| <defunctzombie> | just to give it a date and get another one back |
| 00:48:47
| <defunctzombie> | in different timezones |
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| <Raynos> | yes |
| 00:51:50
| <Raynos> | or an interface in the browser |
| 00:51:56
| <Raynos> | to get the timezone offset based on a lookup table |
| 00:52:20
| <defunctzombie> | yea |
| 00:52:25
| <defunctzombie> | sadness |
| 00:52:31
| <DTrejo> | how big is the lookup table? size wize |
| 00:52:56
| <defunctzombie> | the entire table? |
| 00:53:03
| <defunctzombie> | I think you only ever get the ones you want |
| 00:53:37
| <DTrejo> | the whole thing |
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| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: https://github.com/moment/moment-timezone/blob/develop/moment-timezone.json#L3034 is that the whole table? |
| 00:54:07
| <Raynos> | thats what i ship to the client |
| 00:54:12
| <defunctzombie> | damn |
| 00:54:17
| <defunctzombie> | DTrejo: seems to be 171k |
| 00:54:22
| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: how well does that gzip? |
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| <defunctzombie> | 36k |
| 00:54:37
| <defunctzombie> | not bad |
| 00:54:38
| <Raynos> | defunctzombie: you should be able to compact it into a very compact format |
| 00:54:42
| <Raynos> | so many 10-20k |
| 00:54:51
| <defunctzombie> | gzipped is 36k on disk |
| 00:54:55
| <techwraith> | Yeah, very predictable whitespace |
| 00:54:55
| <Raynos> | if you http or local storage cache it |
| 00:54:57
| <Raynos> | then hmm |
| 00:55:17
| <techwraith> | yeah, localStorage cache would totally work |
| 00:56:06
| <defunctzombie> | there is a LOT of repeating information |
| 00:58:09
| <defunctzombie> | I wonder how much a simple huffman encoding would help |
| 00:59:20
| <DTrejo> | any recommendations for a graphing library to graph revenue / profit over time? not that those details particularly matter, but that's what I'll be graphing |
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| <Raynos> | DTrejo: I've used google graphs in the past for "get shit done fast" |
| 01:03:05
| <DTrejo> | mm |
| 01:03:14
| <DTrejo> | I'm not in a rush, I do kinda want it to look sexy |
| 01:03:14
| <Raynos> | many people have had success with d3 |
| 01:03:26
| <Raynos> | but there was also |
| 01:03:27
| <DTrejo> | I've been looking through the examples to see which would be best to copy |
| 01:04:01
| <Raynos> | There is also http://snapsvg.io/ |
| 01:04:23
| <pfraze> | I always liked http://omnipotent.net/jquery.sparkline/#s-about |
| 01:04:37
| <DTrejo> | mm |
| 01:05:25
| <Raynos> | DTrejo: I've also been tempted to use one of those reactive attribute templating libraries on hand written SVG directly :D but that might be a bit too low level |
| 01:05:31
| <DTrejo> | i dont really want to send ensitive info to google |
| 01:05:41
| <DTrejo> | yea |
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| <DTrejo> | i musnt forget to look through my 400+ stars on github haha https://github.com/stars |
| 01:08:36
| <DTrejo> | oh, 800 |
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| <DTrejo> | hmm http://www.chartjs.org/ |
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| <groundwater> | Raynos: d3 is pretty deep water |
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| <rowbit> | Hourly usage stats: [developer: 0, free: 9] |
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| <rowbit> | substack, pkrumins: Encoders down: 162.242.164.84 (dev-ie11-1) |
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| <defunctzombie> | DTrejo: digraph or rickshaw |
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| <DTrejo> | thanks man |
| 01:31:04
| <DTrejo> | wow sexy http://dygraphs.com/ |
| 01:32:48
| <substack> | DTrejo: not on npm though! |
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| <substack> | no package.json in https://github.com/danvk/dygraphs at least |
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| <defunctzombie> | :nope |
| 01:33:06
| <DTrejo> | yeah, and chartjs is only on component |
| 01:33:16
| <defunctzombie> | sounds like an opportunity! |
| 01:33:25
| <DTrejo> | eh i dont want to maintain it hah |
| 01:34:28
| <defunctzombie> | haha |
| 01:34:32
| <defunctzombie> | no one else will use it :) |
| 01:34:42
| <defunctzombie> | and if they do.. consider they might help maintain it |
| 01:35:02
| <defunctzombie> | putting something on npm just makes it that much more accessible I think |
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| <DTrejo> | defunctzombie: true, most libs on npm don't get a ton of use |
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| <Raynos> | groundwater: define deep water? |
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| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: why isn't there a CDN with the timezone data haha |
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| <defunctzombie> | oh man.. |
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| <defunctzombie> | https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/timezone/ |
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| <defunctzombie> | I also got ALL the data for timezones.. it is 139 megs |
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| <defunctzombie> | so yea... not really something to send down |
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| <Raynos> | defunctzombie: because you have to BUY timezone data |
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| <Raynos> | there are companies that make money by giving you upto date timezone with some real time offset |
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| <st_luke> | substack: did you just publish a new version of browserify to npm? |
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| <substack> | st_luke: I'm trying to |
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| <st_luke> | one of the couches got it at least |
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| <st_luke> | I configured the lights in my apartment to change color when packages are published and they just did, and my output said browserify |
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| <substack> | hah |
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| <substack> | that is so rad |
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| <groundwater> | st_luke: that is awesome |
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| <substack> | except for the part where publishing packages is crazy hit or miss lately |
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| <substack> | so EPUBLISHCONFLICT |
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| <st_luke> | yeah |
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| <groundwater> | or is there a public API/stream to see published packages as they occur? |
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| <substack> | st_luke: so why does browserify still say 3.2.0? |
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| <substack> | npm view browserify version |
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| <substack> | should I wait or try to publish again or what |
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| <substack> | not sure how that thing JasonSmith was hacking on is supposed to work |
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| <substack> | ok *finally* |
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| <jjjohnny_> | st_luke: does that mean your lights are constantly flickering colors? |
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| <jjjohnny_> | or is this some kind of jok |
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| <st_luke> | jjjohnny_: that's actually a really good question, since it's almost 11 on the west coast there's a lot less frequent publishing |
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| <st_luke> | and most of the east coast people are probably already asleep |
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| <st_luke> | there have only been about 25-ish publishes in the past 20 minutes |
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| <jjjohnny_> | and during the day the lights are off :| |
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| <st_luke> | substack: it works based on the couch with the most writes being trusted as the canonical one or something |
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| <st_luke> | substack: here's a video, the first change where it goes to the magenta color is your first browserify publish: http://instagram.com/p/h2iuWUQ79i/ |
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| <st_luke> | it doesn't change on duplicate publishes |
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| <substack> | trippy! |
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| <st_luke> | I think im going to leave it going for a while, it's not really that disruptive and publishes are pretty slow right now |
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| <st_luke> | if people can even publish... |
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| <substack> | I think I publish more at night |
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| <st_luke> | the majority of publishes have switched over to daytime weekdays over the past year |
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| <st_luke> | because many more people are writing node modules at work now |
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| <jjjohnny_> | better hope they bosses dont find out! |
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| <jesusabdullah> | substack: #nodebombrange |
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| <jesusabdullah> | substack: nvm, but I was doing dnode-over-irc |
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| <jesusabdullah> | http://www.smartfoxserver.com/docs/1x/docPages/as3/html/index.html |
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| <substack> | groundwater: do you want deep or shallow merge? |
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| <groundwater> | shallow is fine |
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| <substack> | https://npmjs.org/package/xtend |
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| <substack> | the other one is https://npmjs.org/package/deep-merge |
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| <groundwater> | substack: thanks! |
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| <groundwater> | how about quote matching? |
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| <substack> | I'm not sure what you want to do |
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| <substack> | anyways sleeping here but other folks can help you out & |
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| <ogd> | anyone have a recommendation on a way to have `npm start` run a web server that restarts on changes to the server code AND does `watchify index.js -o bundle.js` |
| 17:14:48
| <ogd> | without having to spawn 2 |
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| <ogd> | shells |
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| <substack> | `watchify index.js -o bundle.js & node server.js` |
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| <ogd> | oooh |
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| <rowbit> | substack, pkrumins: Encoders down: 50.57.171.229 (dev-ie6-2) |
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| <ogd> | substack: im guessing that doesnt work on windows? |
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| <ogd> | substack: or is npm all smart like |
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| <substack> | ogd: you could get bashful to parse that |
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| <dominictarr> | substack, nsa must be worried that we are emailing each other base64. we need an encoding that looks like spam. |
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| <substack> | [email protected] published |
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| <dominictarr> | viagra, transfer money into your account, you are our lucky winner, etc |
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| <substack> | spamcoding |
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| <defunctzombie> | dominictarr: tor browser folks actually talk about that |
| 17:23:23
| <defunctzombie> | how the data has to look like everything else otherwise it can be identified as tor data easier |
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| <dominictarr> | exactly |
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| <dominictarr> | cat/doge photos would also work well. |
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| <ogd> | oh thats easy |
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| <ogd> | just add lsb support to cipherhub |
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| <defunctzombie> | so I have a stream question |
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| <ogd> | echo "hello" | cipherhub dominictarr --doge > doge.png |
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| <defunctzombie> | A.pipe(B) |
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| <ogd> | using https://npmjs.org/package/lsb |
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| <dominictarr> | uh |
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| <defunctzombie> | lets say A is outputting some data |
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| <defunctzombie> | and B inserts each item of data into a db or something async |
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| <defunctzombie> | how do I know when the whole pipeline is done? |
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| <dominictarr> | echo "very woof" | cipherhub maxogden | dogeify |
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| <ogd> | ah right thats better |
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| <dominictarr> | defunctzombie, B.on('close',...) |
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| <ogd> | defunctzombie: b.pipe(through(null, onClose)) |
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| <dominictarr> | or, I think in streams2 it's "finish" |
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| <defunctzombie> | but what closes it? |
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| <defunctzombie> | because when A is done reading or ended |
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| <defunctzombie> | B may not yet be done |
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| <defunctzombie> | cause it takes some time to process each item |
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| <ogd> | depends on the implementation of b |
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| <dominictarr> | "close" means "the underlying resources have been disposed of" so in the context of a database, it means that all the callbacks have returned. |
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| <defunctzombie> | streams might not be the exact thing I need here |
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| <substack> | dominictarr: did you see https://github.com/substack/cipherhub/issues/2 ? |
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| <defunctzombie> | cause I need to count how many things B gets into it |
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| <dominictarr> | defunctzombie, it's a database, so I'm guessing durability is important here |
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| <dominictarr> | if it crashes during processing you'd like to be able to finish it later/eventually |
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| <defunctzombie> | well, the write target is irrelevant in this case... just the idea that there is some async data down the pipe which is slower than the upstream... I guess I can pause upstream |
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| <defunctzombie> | I can either pause upstream or create a queue myself it seems |
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| <dominictarr> | defunctzombie, yeah, just keep track of the amount of data 'inflight' |
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| <dominictarr> | and pause if that is over a threashold |
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| <dominictarr> | or track the write speed, and pause if it slows down. |
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| <dominictarr> | that gives me an idea... |
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| <defunctzombie> | dominictarr: through is swallowing errors? |
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| <ogd> | wtf socket.io is so evil |
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| <ogd> | if i do var io = require('socket.io').listen(server); |
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| <ogd> | and then try to upgrade non socket-io sockets |
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| <ogd> | socket.io takes the liberty of closing them immlediately |
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| <ogd> | thanks, socket.io! |
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| <mikolalysenko> | ogd: obviously the answer is to use ws not socket.io |
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| <ogd> | mikolalysenko: im trying to contribute to a project that is based on it |
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| <ogd> | but yes you are right |
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| <ogd> | im trying to add a upgrade to plain binary websockets if the browser supports it, otherwise fallback to json over socket.io |
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| <mikolalysenko> | ogd: ah |
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| <defunctzombie> | oduse engine.io |
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| <defunctzombie> | ogd: use engine.io |
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| <defunctzombie> | engine.io is much nicer and leaner |
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| <defunctzombie> | and starts up fast cause it doesn't want for websocket stuff |
| 18:12:26
| <defunctzombie> | AND works with browserify |
| 18:12:30
| <defunctzombie> | what more could you want? |
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| <ogd> | pizza |
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| <ogd> | ah what the crap is with npm the last day or two |
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| <ogd> | http://registry.npmjs.org/multibuffer/-/multibuffer-2.1.0.tgz 404s |
| 18:16:55
| <ogd> | but is linked from https://registry.npmjs.org/multibuffer |
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| <defunctzombie> | ogd: engine.io provides pizza as well |
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| <ogd> | whoa im switching immediately |
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| <rowbit> | substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/11.0 |
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| <rowbit> | substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/11.0 |
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| <rowbit> | /!\ ATTENTION: (default-local) [email protected] successfully signed up for developer browserling plan ($20). Cash money! /!\ |
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| <rowbit> | substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/11.0 |
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| <Raynos> | ogd: is there a nodeschool irc room ? |
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| <ogd> | nope |
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| <rowbit> | substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/11.0 |
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| <dominictarr> | defunctzombie, are you doing this.emit('error', err) ? |
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| <rowbit> | substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/11.0 |
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| <dominictarr> | ogd, write socket.io-stream |
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| <dominictarr> | var io = require('socket.io-stream') |
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| <Raynos> | there is an engine.io-stream |
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| <dominictarr> | var s = sock(); s.pipe(io.createStream()).pipe(s) |
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| <dominictarr> | but otherwise, it has the same api as socket.io, except it does no io, and you get to pipe it yourself. |
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| <defunctzombie> | dominictarr: nope, was expecting through to catch and emit |
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| <defunctzombie> | dominictarr: it was an undefined variable error inside of the body |
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| <dominictarr> | defunctzombie, no it doesn't do that. |
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| <Raynos> | oh i see |
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| <defunctzombie> | dominictarr: very weird.. dunno if it should but it seems that without it if there is an error in the body |
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| <Raynos> | socket.io-stream is already a module |
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| <defunctzombie> | then it is silently sent into the ether |
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| <defunctzombie> | I dunno why people still use socket.io |
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| <defunctzombie> | certainly not for starting something new |
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| <dominictarr> | defunctzombie, the throw should fall through... if not that is a problem! |
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| <defunctzombie> | dominictarr: I agree, let me see if I can make a test case |
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| <dominictarr> | what it might be though, does the previous stream have a try { this.emit('data', data) } ... |
| 18:56:50
| <dominictarr> | because that would catch through.write(data) |
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| <dominictarr> | you really should not put try {} catch around cbs and emits. that is not your juristiction. |
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| <defunctzombie> | yea, I think it is that |
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| <defunctzombie> | previous stream is behaving poorly |
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| <defunctzombie> | I think I am about to introduce another database to my project hahaha redis |
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| <grncdr> | how many do you have so far? |
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| <grncdr> | you're not really having fun unless you use two databases that cover eachothers use-cases |
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| <grncdr> | e.g. mysql and postgres or mongo and couch |
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| <defunctzombie> | haha |
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| <defunctzombie> | I only have 1 |
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| <defunctzombie> | thankfully |
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| <groundwater> | ogd: i pimped up nsh, it now uses the node readline which supports up-arrow history |
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| <groundwater> | also can pass it env vars via USER=xxx ./mycmd |
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| <ogd> | groundwater: whoa sweet |
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| <ogd> | wow http://retrocosm.net/2012/03/29/psion-mc-400-mobile-computer/ |
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| <groundwater> | ogd: wow 1MB memory |
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| <groundwater> | 7.68Mhz |
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| <groundwater> | you know, node really isn't fast, we just have great hardware :p |
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| <ogd> | heh |
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| <daleharvey> | substack: you interested in getting testling to work on osx? |
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| <daleharvey> | theres a whole bunch of old PR's and unresponded issues |
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| <substack> | daleharvey: I can't test those myself |
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| <substack> | something is broken in the current testling version on linux too |
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| <Raynos> | Semver pedant ASSEMBLE |
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| <Raynos> | I just did https://github.com/Raynos/console-browserify/commits/master |
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| <Raynos> | I updated tape by a major version in my devDeps |
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| <Raynos> | and bumped my patch |
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| <ogd> | lol |
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| <Raynos> | my tests are failing on services because tape changed |
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| <Raynos> | Should I have bumped minor or major? |
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| <Raynos> | I only tend to bump minor or major when changing deps and not devDeps |
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| <daleharvey> | substack: I can test them :) |
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| <substack> | ok great! |
| 21:23:46
| <substack> | just tell me which PRs to merge |
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| <substack> | and I'll also get it working on linux again |
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| <substack> | daleharvey: does it work when you just do `testling -x open` ? |
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| <substack> | I'm considering ripping out browser-launcher to just do that |
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| <daleharvey> | #54 and #55 are enough to make it work for me |
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| <daleharvey> | hmm, weird browser-launcher is failing for me now too |
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| <daleharvey> | mdfind "kMDItemCFBundleIdentifier=="com.google.Chrome"" doesnt return anything |
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| <daleharvey> | hmm, mdfind needs spotlight indexing it looks like |
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| <rowbit> | /!\ ATTENTION: (default-local) [email protected] successfully signed up for developer browserling plan ($20). Cash money! /!\ |
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| <rowbit> | /!\ ATTENTION: (default-local) paid account successfully upgraded /!\ |
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| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: wut? |
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| <st_luke> | wow awkward |
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| <st_luke> | my coworker walked up and I was photoshopping this picture: http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/US-faces-new-pressure-over-missing-CIA-contractor-5060906.php#photo-5590845 |
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| <st_luke> | I didnt know what to say |
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| <defunctzombie> | hahaha |
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| <Raynos> | defunctzombie: wut wut |
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| <pfraze> | has anybody ever used SSL client certificates? I want to use them for server<->server (nodejs) requests to verify the identity of requesters, but it looks like existing client-cert schemes all expect the host to have issued and signed the client cert |
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| <pfraze> | I'd much rather use the global CAs so certs dont have to be issued for every possible server<->server combo. I suppose that might be done by storing the global CA certs on my host for verification |
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| <pfraze> | hmm... |
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| <substack> | daleharvey: can you tag a release on your fork of headless so I can point the browser-launcher package.json at a github tarball? |
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| <daleharvey> | ? fork of headless, I am only working on testling / browser-launcher |
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| <rowbit> | Hourly usage stats: [developer: 5, free: 32] |
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| <daleharvey> | in testling I just hardcoded it to not be headless and it worked, but on this (different) machine, browser-launcher is broken so checking that out now |
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| <daleharvey> | karma just hardcodes launch paths, not awesome but probably the most reliable, at least to try |
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| <dimadima> | any orientdb users here? |
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| <rowbit> | substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.57.171.229(dev-ie6-2) |
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| <pkrumins> | it's up and running |
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| <pkrumins> | seaport needs a reality check |
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