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01:55:46  <mikolalysenko>slowly finishing up modules I didn't get done during the semester
01:55:49  <mikolalysenko>like this one: https://github.com/mikolalysenko/ndgemm
01:56:11  <ogd>mikolalysenko: whoa awesome
01:56:50  <mikolalysenko>it should be a lot faster than numeric.js' matrix product once it is done
02:00:18  <mikolalysenko>also it will be compatible with native arrays-of-arrays too for convenience' sake
02:00:30  <mikolalysenko>and I will probably go back into the guts of cwise and add support for similar features
02:00:52  <mikolalysenko>even though arrays-of-arrays are slow and crap, people still like to use them because they are easier to write out
02:01:27  <mikolalysenko>so it is probably worth supporting them at least for the sake of making everything more newbie friendly
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02:27:20  <groundwater>i'm taking a 18 hour flight sunday, any unix/programming book recommendations?
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03:00:38  <jesusabdullah>FUCK that's 4 leads that dried up now
03:00:43  <jesusabdullah>:'(
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03:14:03  <jjjohnny_>jesusabdullah: job leads?
03:14:26  <jesusabdullah>jjjohnny_: yeah!
03:14:58  <jesusabdullah>It's like, gdi am I dumb or something? :(
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03:24:31  <groundwater>jesusabdullah: where you located?
03:24:50  <groundwater>or, where are the companies you're interviewing at?
03:25:02  <jesusabdullah>groundwater: all over
03:25:58  <groundwater>jesusabdullah: how far did you get in the process?
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03:27:40  <jjjohnny_>jesusabdullah: you should move to oakland, live with us, and stay indie
03:27:53  <jjjohnny_>until the the right thing pops
03:28:41  <jesusabdullah>groundwater: technical interview slash coding assignment
03:29:14  <jjjohnny_>eff addignments and tests
03:29:21  <jjjohnny_>assignments
03:29:28  <jjjohnny_>say, I don't do tests. read my code
03:32:44  <dominictarr>jesusabdullah, who are you interviewing now
03:32:50  <groundwater>jesusabdullah: do they give you a reason why they pass on you?
03:33:07  <dominictarr>jesusabdullah, you should make up a set of tests for them and get them to take it.
03:36:41  <substack>exyu is the best genre of music
03:36:49  <substack>former yugoslavia
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05:31:54  <jesusabdullah>chapel: local rails/front-end shop
05:32:05  <chapel>ah
05:32:13  <chapel>paypal still looking to offer?
05:35:31  <jesusabdullah>I think so
05:36:04  <chapel>well I'm hopeful something comes up
05:37:20  <jesusabdullah>I hope so
05:37:29  <jesusabdullah>I'm the last one to get a job offer :(
05:37:48  <chapel>try not to let rejections get you down
05:38:31  <jesusabdullah>I try
05:40:11  <jesusabdullah>I guess I'm just really insecure
05:41:49  <chapel>I remember when I was doing interviews, I felt confident about a few positions, when one that I felt confident about shut me down I tried to stay up
05:42:09  <chapel>then another rejection, I started to doubt if any would go through, then another rejection, it sucked
05:42:48  <chapel>but luckily walmartlabs kept interest
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09:07:52  <substack>ogd: why do I sometimes get [object Uint8Array]
09:07:56  <substack>from concat-stream?
09:12:07  <substack>nevermind, forgot to run browserify in --bare mode
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16:31:02  <defunctzombie>substack: https://github.com/substack/browser-pack/pull/28
16:31:08  <defunctzombie>substack: have an opinion on this?
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19:01:33  <Raynos>https://twitter.com/robotlolita/status/414470196439818240
19:01:37  <Raynos>^ this is why promises are terrible.
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19:15:40  <mikolalysenko>so, promises in the dom/js standard are a thing then?
19:16:22  <Raynos>in ES6 yes
19:16:32  <Raynos>they are already in v8 & spidermonkey
19:16:39  <Raynos>DAMAGE IS DONE.
19:16:40  <LOUDBOT>BREAKING NEWS: HENRY IAN CUSICK IS NOT IN THE CAST LIST FOR THE LOST FINALE EPISODE
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19:26:16  <mikolalysenko>They should make a rule that if you can implement a feature in <100 lines of JS and achieve similar performance/results - then it should not be added to the standard
19:27:16  <mikolalysenko>in fact I'd probably expand that to include anything smaller than jquery in size
19:28:10  <mikolalysenko>is there any benefit to adding promises to js vs just using a library (other than saving a few bytes in code that uses promises)
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20:28:26  <defunctzombie>mikolalysenko: people are still living in a world where they refuse to accept that modules exist
20:28:37  <defunctzombie>mikolalysenko: they are still writing javascript by monkey patching into window
20:29:52  <Raynos>miko: that is probably good
20:30:18  <Raynos>miko: performance, integration into dev tools.
20:30:25  <Raynos>miko: promises are in ES6 because WHATWG was going to add them to the DOM
20:30:41  <Raynos>and TC39 basically said "dude stop that. We will do promises, ourself, properly"
20:31:00  <Raynos>although performance might be void with bluebird
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20:45:10  <defunctzombie>I need to make a small program that will do recursive non-deduped npm installs
20:45:20  <defunctzombie>for my deployments
20:45:37  <defunctzombie>doing npm updates is really wasteful when the majority of things don't change
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21:15:02  <mikolalysenko>defunctzombie, Raynos : I don't see how perf matters one bit for promises. there isn't anything very sophisticated in the promise contract and even the most naive implementation ought to be basically optimal
21:15:29  <mikolalysenko>and even if it did require sophistication, you still ought to be able to do it in js
21:15:31  <Raynos>miko: that would be true if promises were simple
21:15:52  <mikolalysenko>what is complicated about them?
21:15:58  <Raynos>the spec is two pages
21:16:04  <mikolalysenko>(other than the fact that there are like 500 implementations)
21:16:08  <Raynos>thenables & error handling opinions & bla bla bla
21:16:22  <mikolalysenko>bah, just pick a convention and work with it
21:16:35  <mikolalysenko>you don't need native implementation to do that stuff well
21:16:35  <Raynos>promises are complex because bike shed
21:16:43  <mikolalysenko>exactly
21:16:50  <mikolalysenko>and that is why they should not even be in the standard
21:16:50  <Raynos>i dont know the perf angle tbh
21:16:55  <Raynos>someone else said it is a thing
21:17:01  <mikolalysenko>afaik, there is no perf angle for promises
21:17:06  <Raynos>miko: but WHATWG & W3C needs them
21:17:17  <Raynos>so they are going to be either in a W3C standard
21:17:18  <mikolalysenko>ok
21:17:19  <Raynos>or in ES6t
21:17:21  <Raynos>ES6*
21:17:34  <Raynos>I mean the problem could be solved if w3c fucked off and just used callbacks
21:17:39  <Raynos>but ship sailed
21:17:40  <mikolalysenko>yeah
21:17:53  <mikolalysenko>brb got to let dog out
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21:27:14  <mikolalysenko>so is es6/promises going to be html6?
21:28:37  <mikolalysenko>it seems like in es6 and the next iteration of the w3c standard there is a disturbing focus on bikeshedding and extra complexity that doesn't add anything in terms of performance and capabilities
21:29:11  <mikolalysenko>eg promises, modules and all the extra sugary junk in es6
21:29:56  <Raynos>miko: hence like hij1nx said we need a fork of v8 that removes features
21:30:16  <Raynos>miko: but promises & modules exist to "solve" the problem. "once" and have it "standard"
21:30:25  <Raynos>solve it "once and for all"
21:32:10  <substack>Raynos, mikolalysenko: so to solve this problem of junk modules polluting stuff I might want to use
21:32:15  <substack>we need really good tagging
21:32:24  <substack>npm tag MODULENAME usespromises
21:32:29  <Raynos>yes!
21:32:34  <Raynos>thats an amazing idea
21:32:36  <substack>npm tag MODULENAME worksinthebrowser
21:32:39  <Raynos>self organizing tags
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21:32:51  <Raynos>it worked quite well for stackoverflow
21:32:57  <substack>then you should be able to configure `npm search` to omit all modules that have usespromises set
21:33:05  <substack>or show them grayed out
21:33:14  <Raynos>configure npm search or write a new npm search in userland
21:33:25  <Raynos>the tagging infrastructure is something we will need in the registry itself
21:33:26  <substack>well it would be userland to start with in either case
21:33:30  <Raynos>althought it could be in the client
21:33:39  <substack>so the best part is that the tagging infrastructure already exists!
21:33:44  <Raynos>It does ?
21:33:56  <substack>well not user-submitted
21:34:01  <Raynos>Oh.
21:34:03  <brycebaril>substack: would people be able to add userland tags to other people's modules?
21:34:09  <substack>but as a package maintainer you can add arbitrary metadata to the keywords field
21:34:16  <substack>brycebaril: yes
21:34:18  <Raynos>the most important thing about tagging is that it can be done by non owners
21:34:35  <substack>brycebaril: and also you can cast a -1 on a tag
21:34:37  <substack>a +1 or a -1
21:34:45  <Raynos>Oh
21:34:51  <Raynos>voting might be interesting
21:34:52  <brycebaril>substack: +1 this idea.
21:35:08  <Raynos>Maybe see if we can implement tagging for npmd
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21:35:18  <Raynos>although ugh
21:35:22  <Raynos>thats not the hard part
21:35:30  <Raynos>the most annoying part is the central shared state
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21:44:25  <mikolalysenko>substack: don't modules already have keywords?
21:44:41  <mikolalysenko>substack: maybe just upgrade keyword -> tag to make searching easier
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21:50:07  <grncdr>key part of this is that you want users to be able to tag modules they don't own though
21:50:37  <grncdr>not that module authors are unreliable, but it's unlikely they will know of all the potentially interesting tags
21:50:49  <grncdr>(interesting to module users that is)
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21:57:27  <defunctzombie>substack: hahaha
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21:58:56  <substack>oh wait!
21:58:58  <substack>I remembered!
21:59:01  <defunctzombie>there's more!
21:59:03  <substack>`npm star` already works this way
21:59:19  <substack>for `npm star` it just stores a boolean or something
21:59:24  <substack>but you can put arbitrary data in there
21:59:55  <grncdr>!
22:00:01  <grncdr>I did not know that
22:00:02  <defunctzombie>my latest desire is not stars, but a way to publish a module to npm with same name if the maintainer has gone derelict
22:01:05  <grncdr>there's already a precedent for that...
22:01:39  <substack>npm hostile-takeover
22:01:40  <Raynos>miko: keywords are controlled by the owner of a module
22:01:52  <Raynos>I would want to tag your modules with "lolmiko" or "fastjavascript" :D
22:01:55  <grncdr>btw, substack the cli doesn't appear to support arbitrary data‚Ķ are you saying it could?
22:02:05  <substack>grncdr: yep
22:02:22  * substackheading down to sudoroom
22:03:33  <Raynos>defunctzombie: I actually think that would be nice :p
22:04:13  <Raynos>defunctzombie: a way to publish on an authors behalf. Because most authors dont publish every single git commit :/
22:04:19  <Raynos>Or at least publish the latest
22:05:01  <defunctzombie>heh
22:05:12  <defunctzombie>well, I don't want to step on the toes of an author
22:05:23  <defunctzombie>but for example there is a module git-rev which
22:05:31  <defunctzombie>got a patch accepted but no new version published
22:05:39  <defunctzombie>maybe the author moved on.. whatever
22:05:54  <defunctzombie>I should be able to publish updates to share with people
22:06:07  <defunctzombie>ubuntu realized this long ago with the PPA
22:06:21  <defunctzombie>and it became pretty standard practice to understand what that is and how to use it
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22:24:04  <rowbit>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 0, free: 9]
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22:55:54  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.57.72.6(free5)
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23:24:03  <rowbit>Daily usage stats: [developer: 260, free: 317]
23:24:04  <rowbit>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 0, free: 4]
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23:41:26  <defunctzombie>so.. I am about to attempt to figure out how to use browserify with cordova
23:41:29  <defunctzombie>to build a mobile app
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