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| <jesusabdullah> | jjjohnny: very very likely6 |
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| <jesusabdullah> | likely* |
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| <jesusabdullah> | sup dominictarr |
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| <dominictarr> | jesusabdullah, houdy |
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| <dominictarr> | Man, some bitcoiners don't know what the work "distributed" means. |
| 10:57:00
| <dominictarr> | much like the way some 'mericans abuse the word "freedom" |
| 10:57:01
| <jesusabdullah> | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
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| <jesusabdullah> | why the fuck am I still awake? |
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| <dominictarr> | http://www.mastercoin.org/ < for example |
| 10:57:38
| <dominictarr> | claims it's a way to decentralize further, but no |
| 10:57:42
| <dominictarr> | not actually. |
| 10:58:04
| <dominictarr> | actually it's a way to build a centralized fiat currency on top of bitcoin. |
| 10:58:31
| <dominictarr> | but not a very good way, since they don't understand how to design a distributed system. |
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| <jaz303> | does anyone have a few minutes to help me with my first adventures into writing code with streams? |
| 11:19:34
| <dominictarr> | jaz303, sure |
| 11:20:11
| <jaz303> | i started porting my s-expression parser to use streams |
| 11:20:21
| <jaz303> | https://github.com/jaz303/sexp-tokenizer/blob/master/index.js |
| 11:21:20
| <jaz303> | i'm not sure how to detect incomplete data at the end of the stream |
| 11:22:32
| <jaz303> | the tokenizer recognises quoted strings such as "foo bar baz" and i've tried to make it tolerate such strings being split over multiple chunks |
| 11:22:59
| <jaz303> | but if it sees "foo bar... at the end of the last chunk |
| 11:23:17
| <jaz303> | and it never closes the string i don't know what to do |
| 11:24:24
| <dominictarr> | jaz303, ah, you have picked a fairly tricky task! |
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| <jaz303> | :( |
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| <dominictarr> | :) ! |
| 11:24:41
| <dominictarr> | do you tokenize and then parse? |
| 11:25:01
| <jaz303> | yes it made more sense that way, i'm only worried about the tokenizer right now |
| 11:25:13
| <dominictarr> | cool. a streaming tokenizer is easy. |
| 11:26:07
| <dominictarr> | here is how you can do a line parser - it's the simplest case - https://github.com/dominictarr/split/blob/master/index.js#L38-L46 |
| 11:26:17
| <dominictarr> | use split, pop and push |
| 11:28:30
| <dominictarr> | jaz303, how do you handle syntax errors? I don't see anything that errors. |
| 11:28:58
| <jaz303> | the only possible syntax error right now is an incomplete string at the end of the stream |
| 11:29:06
| <jaz303> | s-expressions are very permissive |
| 11:29:31
| <jaz303> | and that's the case i have no idea how to catch |
| 11:29:36
| <dominictarr> | cool, what does that look like? that is a string that doesn't match any of your tokens, right? |
| 11:29:49
| <dominictarr> | have a else at the end |
| 11:30:08
| <dominictarr> | if nothing matches; this._remainder = current; return |
| 11:30:40
| <dominictarr> | and then when the parse starts again, do current = this._remainder + current |
| 11:31:10
| <dominictarr> | it may be easier to just use string.split(rx) though |
| 11:31:29
| <dominictarr> | here is one I prepared earlier: https://github.com/dominictarr/js-tokenizer/blob/master/index.js#L56 |
| 11:31:44
| <dominictarr> | (it's not streaming, but that leads me to another question...) |
| 11:32:03
| <dominictarr> | what benefit do you get from streaming a language? |
| 11:32:16
| <jaz303> | no idea, streams have just been on my list of stuff to learn for months |
| 11:32:26
| <jaz303> | and this seemed like an easy place to start |
| 11:32:39
| <dominictarr> | hmm, if you are encoding data (like json) there is a benefit, because you can have an arbitary amount of data... |
| 11:33:01
| <dominictarr> | but pray to god you don't have an arbitary amount of code in your program. |
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| <jaz303> | at the start of my _transform function i'm appending the new chunk to the previous remainder, then iteratively slicing off the front of that |
| 11:36:13
| <jaz303> | so it deals with a string crossing chunk boundaries |
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| <jaz303> | but what happens if an unterminated string is at the very end of the final chunk |
| 11:36:46
| <jaz303> | am i misunderstanding something? |
| 11:37:34
| <jaz303> | it seems like i'd need a signal that end of input had been reached |
| 11:37:56
| <jaz303> | in order to be able to make the decision that the remainder was an error |
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| <jaz303> | otherwise there's always a chance that a successive chunk could complete the string |
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| <dominictarr> | if a stream isn't 100% valid tokens, i.e. if you get a trailing remainder that is a syntax error |
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| <dominictarr> | jaz303, ^ |
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| <dominictarr> | expected " found EOF |
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| <jaz303> | how do i detect an eof? |
| 11:48:34
| <jaz303> | i guess that's my real question :) |
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| <dominictarr> | jaz303, that is when the user calls end() |
| 11:54:28
| <dominictarr> | I mean, the previous stream |
| 11:54:42
| <dominictarr> | what sort of thing are you using to build your stream? |
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| <dominictarr> | are you using through? or require('stream').Transform ? |
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| <jaz303> | the latter |
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| <dominictarr> | I think that has a _flush method, which is called on the final chunk |
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| <jaz303> | ah! |
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| <dominictarr> | put the end handling bit in there |
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| <jaz303> | brilliant |
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| <jaz303> | thank you |
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| <dominictarr> | no problem |
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| <jaz303> | my other question was about testing |
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| <jaz303> | i've just been checking my stream produces the correct tokens in order |
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| <jaz303> | is there a module for testing that pattern? |
| 11:59:18
| <dominictarr> | hmm, I don't think so |
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| <mmalecki> | dominictarr: yo! |
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| <mmalecki> | dominictarr: around? |
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| <dominictarr> | mmalecki, I'm in malaysia |
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| <mmalecki> | dominictarr: daaaaamn |
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| <mmalecki> | dominictarr: can't afford bigger trips right now :( |
| 12:49:28
| <mmalecki> | although few things are coming up... how long are you there for? |
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| <dominictarr> | a few weeks |
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| <mmalecki> | oh well |
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| <dominictarr> | I'll be back in europe again in may |
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| <mmalecki> | oh oh! |
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| <mmalecki> | where? |
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| <mmalecki> | come hang out with me! |
| 12:50:36
| <mmalecki> | (you're invited to crash on my couch in Amsterdam) |
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| <dominictarr> | mmalecki, I've been travelling overland since being in beijing in november. 7th country since then |
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| <dominictarr> | mmalecki, TOTALLY! |
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| <mmalecki> | YES |
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| <dominictarr> | I've never been to Amsterdam |
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| <mmalecki> | oh man |
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| <dominictarr> | I hear it's pretty cool |
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| <mmalecki> | okay, I'll learn enough to guide you around until then XD |
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| <dominictarr> | haha, cool. |
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| <mmalecki> | yeah! it's like New York if it wasn't for Americans |
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| <dominictarr> | haha, great. |
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| <dominictarr> | I'm gonna be in budapest for craft-conf late april |
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| <dominictarr> | 24th, i think. |
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| <mmalecki> | hmm, I never visited Budapest |
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| <mmalecki> | I think I'll have cash for travelling until then |
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| <dominictarr> | mmalecki, how is vigour.io? |
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| <mmalecki> | dominictarr: doing well! I'm working on deployment systems for them |
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| <mmalecki> | and distributing their infrastructure |
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| <mmalecki> | and open sourcing it |
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| <mmalecki> | it's pretty much the best job I could have |
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| <mmalecki> | (still not sued or anything btw) |
| 12:56:02
| <mmalecki> | I also have a startup! spacedock.io |
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| <mmalecki> | brb relocating |
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| <defunctzombie> | Raynos: anything like tryme that folks are using nowadays? |
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| <defunctzombie> | jesusabdullah: is brwoserify cdn hosted anywhere well established? |
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| <defunctzombie> | jesusabdullah: maybe even something we can put behind fastly |
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| <defunctzombie> | jesusabdullah: also, for the debug bundle stuff, could actually do the strip sourcemap trick so that .map file can be served separately |
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| <defunctzombie> | which would be cool cause then people can have debug and minify |
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| <grncdr> | jaz303: assert-in-order might be what you want |
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| <grncdr> | groundwater: I'm just making breakfast but I'm up for meeting whenever |
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| <grncdr> | do you have a place in mind? |
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| <groundwater> | grncdr yah i'm still just getting up, what are do you live? |
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| <grncdr> | 118 athol ave |
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| <grncdr> | just beside the lake |
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| <grncdr> | I can bike and/or drive though |
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| <grncdr> | I only know like 3 places in the area, so I'm not too picky |
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| <groundwater> | grncdr , you can choose a place, or if you want to meet in Berkeley I can pick a spot |
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| <grncdr> | hm, I don't know if Haddon Hill is open, but that would be my choice |
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| <groundwater> | my only hesitation about that place is it's only really got one table inside |
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| <groundwater> | grncdr this place is pretty good http://www.local123cafe.com/ and there is a backup around the corner too |
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| <grncdr> | looks good to me, do you know if I'll be able to park around there anywhere? |
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| <grncdr> | might just BART actually |
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| <grncdr> | also ogd ^^ |
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| <groundwater> | ogd is sick i think |
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| <groundwater> | grncdr i can pick you up from Bart |
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| <jaz303> | grncdr: thanks i'll check that out |
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| <rch> | with tape, if i want to have one cleanup function called after all tests have run, do i need to do an enclosing test so i can t.on('end', …) ? That works, just wondering if there's a better way |
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| <substack> | rch: you can have a test('cleanup', function (t) {}) at the end |
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| <rch> | sweet, thanks |
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| <rch> | somehow missed that |
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| <rch> | substack: hey another question, still opposed to package.json engines field? |
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| <substack> | opposed? |
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| <rch> | https://twitter.com/substack/status/132945872211296258 |
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| <rch> | just curious, almost pushed a pr to tap-parser but figured engines was likely missing for a reason |
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| <substack> | engines is ok now |
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| <rch> | what changed? |
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| <substack> | npm used to refuse to install packages with a version that didn't match the engines field |
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| <rch> | ahh |
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| <rch> | so now it's just metadata with no impact? |
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| <substack> | yes |
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| <rch> | so things may break but it's easier to see why |
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| <substack> | people used to put "0.4.x" in the engines field |
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| <substack> | but then node 0.6 came out and you couldn't install anything |
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| <rch> | hilarious |
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| <substack> | well the problem is that people treated the engines field like they treat dependencies |
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| <substack> | where you want to be strict about versions |
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| <substack> | but platform dependencies can't work that way |
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| <rch> | api changes like streams2 seem to justify that though |
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| <rch> | almost completely |
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| <rch> | streams2 is a special event in node history, i guess i just need to wait until older versions of node are unused |
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| <rch> | either way, less point in using 'engines' since it's advisory only now |
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| <jcrugzz> | substack: it only matters when you need to build binary modules |
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| <jcrugzz> | we use the field for people's apps when they deploy for what version they run on, so we build their dependencies correctly and run it on the intended version |
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| <jcrugzz> | but different case obv |
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| <rch> | jcrugzz: who's we? |
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| <jcrugzz> | at nodejitsu |
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| <jcrugzz> | sry |
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| <rch> | cool |
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